Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[kentric]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Was he running away or toward the shooter?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Lot of straw arguments going on in here. Cops don't think of themselves as racist; their intentions in these situations are almost never bad; and they certainly don't go around looking for young black males to kill.

When I and others use the term "institutionalized racism" we are specifically referring to the perception among most police in this country that black males are threatening and must be regarded with more suspicion (and caution) than just about anyone else. This perception leads to everything that happens of concern: harassment, profiling, brutality, and of course unjustified shootings. It's a real problem, and there are reasons for it that are both historical and happening today. It's not the police's fault that so many young black men do commit felonies at a much higher percentage than the rest of the population. But it is the police's fault for relying on stereotypes as a result of this fact. It's lazy and it's wrong and it leads to bad things.

That being said, simply having racist attitudes does not make one a racist. I firmly believe most police are good people with good intent. We need to find a way to stop the stereotyping and get the cops to treat everyone as individuals without prior conceptions based on skin color.

These people have been protesting for the better part of 7 weeks now

They need to get a ####### life or do something productive!

Yeah. If you can't get something done in seven weeks you should always just give up!

Yes, because nothing is being done.

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems. Their demand is simple, stack the deck with the prosecuting attorney of their choice, forgo the entire legal process, and have this cop killed, preferably, or jailed for the rest of his life. Like right now. Until their demand is met, they are going to keep terrorizing random white people because it's obvious to them that all white people are in on the killing of Michael Brown. All white people are racist. They are as bad as the KKK but nobody in the higher ranks of the government will call them out, or do anything, to try and restore order because if they do, they risk being called a racist, an Uncle Tom or a traitor to their skin color. The Mayor, Chief of Police, Governor, State Highway Patrol Chief, all have tried. Nothing.

Um, you may be right about hard everyone is trying and how much is being done....or not...

 

[jon_mx]

Apparently the thinking here is the best way to get rid of negative stereotypes is to reinforce them.

 

[parasaurolophus]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Was he running away or toward the shooter?

Not sure yet. I guess when a cop is shot people are willing to wait until the facts come out and they don't turn to looting right away.

 

[Henry Ford]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Was he running away or toward the shooter?

Not sure yet. I guess when a cop is shot people are willing to wait until the facts come out and they don't turn to looting right away.

They probably filed a report.

 

[parasaurolophus]

They probably filed a report.

I wouldn't know since there has been almost no coverage and I live in Wisconsin.

 

[Henry Ford]

They probably filed a report.

I wouldn't know since there has been almost no coverage and I live in Wisconsin.

There's a joke about cheese in there somewhere.

 

[Mark Davis]

One person makes a claim via Twitter, "protesters" decided to try and burn the business down. I love Faraci's pizza so hard, I hope the people responsible catch themselves on fire next time. I'm really so ####### sick of this ####. These people running the pizza joint have ZERO, NOTHING, to do with Michael Brown. Yet a mob of black people decide that they are going to burn the place down, with them inside mind you. Nothing from the media. Nothing from President Obama. Nobody trying to do anything to get order restored. Just keep fanning the flames and let these people continue to get away with hate crimes and attempted murder.

There's no way if I was a business owner in that area I wouldn't have a gun on me when I was there and a couple guys hired who were armed at all times.

 

[fatness]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Before that. Didn't someone get killed before that?

 

[Henry Ford]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Before that. Didn't someone get killed before that?

Maybe a black guy. Who can remember?

 

[fatness]

Ferguson ####s something else up.

Grand jury considering the Ferguson shooting is being investigated for misconduct

An account of possible jury misconduct surfaced Wednesday morning on Twitter, when several users sent messages about one juror who may have discussed evidence in the case with a friend.

In one of those messages, a person tweeted that they are friends with a member of the jury who doesn’t believe there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest of the officer, Darren Wilson.

The same person who tweeted about being friends with a member of the jury has also tweeted messages of support for Wilson.

Grand jury proceedings are confidential and if there has been a breach, the prosecutor’s office may have to start over with a newly empaneled group.

 

[fatness]

The Ferguson Police Department's Code of Conduct covers a lot: the training of new officers, the "rights of victims and witnesses," discipline, racial bias, the use of force, the type of weapons issued to all officers — even name tags.

"The name tag will be worn on both the uniform shirt and jacket," states the department's uniform and equipment policy, recently obtained by VICE News along with hundreds of other department guidelines in response to an open records request. "The name tag shall consist of the

officer's first initial and his last name."

The guidelines also state that police officers must provide their names, rank, and other identifying information to anyone who asks for it. But officers from the Ferguson Police Department — and other police departments — repeatedly failed to display identification or provide identifying information during the protests that followed the August 9 shooting death of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson

https://news.vice.com/article/heres-a-first-look-at-the-ferguson-police-departments-internal-code-of-conduct

Ferguson police officers are required to wear "body-worn camera recorders… to record contacts with the general public."

The department declined to turn over to VICE News copies of its recordings from the protests in response to our open records request.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Ferguson ####s something else up.

Grand jury considering the Ferguson shooting is being investigated for misconduct

An account of possible jury misconduct surfaced Wednesday morning on Twitter, when several users sent messages about one juror who may have discussed evidence in the case with a friend.

In one of those messages, a person tweeted that they are friends with a member of the jury who doesn’t believe there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest of the officer, Darren Wilson.

The same person who tweeted about being friends with a member of the jury has also tweeted messages of support for Wilson.

Grand jury proceedings are confidential and if there has been a breach, the prosecutor’s office may have to start over with a newly empaneled group.

seems something always stinks in ferguson

 

[fatness]

Department's policy dictates that lethal force may be used only if the officer believes that his life or the lives of others are in danger, and only if attempts at capture have been exhausted.

"A police officer must weigh the necessity of apprehension against the apparent threat to the safety of all involved, and exhaust every alternative means of apprehension known to be available at the time before resorting to the use of lethal force," says the July 6, 2010 general order.

The policy also states that "if feasible," the officer shall issue a "verbal warning" before using lethal force. Additionally, the use of lethal force is permitted against a fleeing suspect only if there is a "substantial risk" that the person will cause "death or serious physical injury if apprehension is delayed."

After an officer fires a weapon causing injury or death, the Bureau of Investigations is supposed to be notified, and an internal investigation is then supposed to be launched. The guidelines also say:

The Communications Dispatcher shall be notified immediately either by the officer involved in the incident or the first police officer on the scene.

The watch commander shall respond to the scene and be responsible for the command and protection of the scene until the arrival of the Bureau of Investigations investigator(s). He shall assist, as necessary, in the investigation of the incident and arrange to have a police officer, not involved, prepare the original report.

The watch commander will complete the Use of Force Report F-080 and forward it through the chain of command to the Chief.

The Chief of Police will direct the Professional Standards Officer to conduct an administrative review of all incidents where a gunshot wound is inflicted.

But city officials responding to media requests for the "use of force" report filed after Brown's death said that such a report did not exist — a clear violation of the department's own guidelines as well as of established standards for police departments nationwide.

https://news.vice.com/article/heres-a-first-look-at-the-ferguson-police-departments-internal-code-of-conduct

 

[fatness]

Protester Taylor Payne took the podium to tell the council that she would like to file a complaint about police actions during a raid on protesters, but she has been unable to get the information necessary due to the involved officers not wearing name tags or badges.

"I looked up what I need to file a report, but I don't know the officers' badges or names," she said. "When police that came out of the cars with automatic rifles -- not the ones with rubber bullets, but real ones -- and none of them were wearing badges, and I have no way to identify the police."

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/10/st_louis_county_council_meeting_sees_ferguson_protesters_and_one_darren_wilson_supporter.php

 

[fatness]

The drug case that resulted in an award for Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson is now at risk after he failed to show up for a hearing in the case Monday.

The case has also raised questions about how many others may be affected by the investigation into Wilson's Aug. 9 shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The preliminary hearing was scheduled for Monday in the case of Christopher A. Brooks, 28, who currently faces a single felony drug charge from a 2013 arrest.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-mct-bc-ferguson-wilson-20140929-story.html

Brooks lawyer Nick Zotos said he'd been told by Wilson's lawyers that Wilson would not appear at the preliminary examination or in front of a grand jury. He asked Schroeder to dismiss the case or set a hearing a week from Monday. Instead, she set another hearing for Oct. 27.

In an interview after the hearing, Zotos said that prosecutors would have several chances to get Wilson to the grand jury before the end of the month. But he said he had been "assured" by Wilson's lawyers that Wilson would not show up for any hearings in the case, or for any other cases this year. He also said that he spoke with one defense lawyer Monday who had another case involving Wilson, scheduled for trial in October. Wilson's lawyers could not be immediately reached for comment.

Ed Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, said that cases are sometimes scheduled for the grand jury when a witness is unavailable. He said that no decision had yet been made in the case, but said that prosecutors would "take a look at it." Magee also said that the case could not proceed if Wilson did not testify.

Magee said that there are about half a dozen pending cases involving Wilson, and prosecutors would be making decisions on a "case-by-case" basis.

 

[fatness]

Shaun King @ShaunKing · 5h 5 hours ago
Brian Schellman of the STL County PD officially confirmed they WILL NOT release a police report on Darren Wilson's murder of Mike Brown.

Shaun King ‏@ShaunKing

He said they will only release it: 1. If the grand jury decides on no indictment. or 2. They are forced to use it in court. Otherwise, NO.

 

[timschochet]

That is ####### unbelievable. How in the heck do they justify not releasing the police report? Do they serve the public?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Protester Taylor Payne took the podium to tell the council that she would like to file a complaint about police actions during a raid on protesters, but she has been unable to get the information necessary due to the involved officers not wearing name tags or badges.

"I looked up what I need to file a report, but I don't know the officers' badges or names," she said. "When police that came out of the cars with automatic rifles -- not the ones with rubber bullets, but real ones -- and none of them were wearing badges, and I have no way to identify the police."

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/10/st_louis_county_council_meeting_sees_ferguson_protesters_and_one_darren_wilson_supporter.php

'' It was just a bunch of white guys wearing sheets''

 

[parasaurolophus]

That is ####### unbelievable. How in the heck do they justify not releasing the police report? Do they serve the public?

Seeing as they said they would release it if there is no indictment I would imagine this is their reasoning...

From the 7th exemption under the FOIA

records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information...

(A) could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings

(B) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication

 

[St. Louis Bob]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

The cop wasn't killed, he was only shot in the arm.

Before that. Didn't someone get killed before that?

Maybe a black guy. Who can remember?

Oh come on.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Ferguson Business Owner Calls Nighttime Protests ‘Terrorist Acts’CBS-St. Louis, 10/1/2014

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – A Ferguson business owner is calling the protestors who descend on his city at night “terrorists” and says Homeland Security should be called in.

The anonymous caller to the Charlie Brennan show, who KMOX confirmed is a Ferguson small business owner, says the daytime protestors are fine, but that changes when the outsiders, including elected officials from outside Ferguson, arrive after dark.

“The unpeaceful protesters come out at night, trying to harm or burn our businesses down or stop the businesses,” the caller said. “And it’s time that our government called this what it is, and this is a terrorist act.”

The business owner says a lot of windows have been broken, fires have been set and trash is left behind.

His business is down up to 40 percent, he said, but the protestors are wasting their time.

“There’s no amount of pressure they can put on us that we’re going to try to influence our government,” regarding the Michael Brown case, the caller said.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The whole idea of looting and burning down a random pizza joint because I'm mad at the police is so foreign to me. It's not very logical.

Civil unrest often results in illogical actions. People who feel they are being denied basic fairness and civil justice will use whatever tools necessary to bring attention to the issue. Many of these folks have nothing, have nothing to lose, and a legitimate gripe.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It never stops.

Recently released surveillance video, his death as he talked on his cellphone in the pet aisle, casually holding a pellet gun that he had picked up from a shelf in the store.

In the 911 call, we hear Ronald Ritchie repeatedly telling the operator that Crawford is pointing "a gun" at people. At one point, he tells the operator that Crawford is "loading it right now" and that "he just pointed it at, like, two children."

 

[fatness]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

 

[parasaurolophus]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

It has been resolved. The criminal system is at work, you know grand juries, investigations, etc. Terrorizing the streets doesn't help that process.

 

[fatness]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

It has been resolved. The criminal system is at work, you know grand juries, investigations, etc. Terrorizing the streets doesn't help that process.

Who got killed in the street?

 

[Mello]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

 

[Mark Davis]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

tr

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

Demonstrations and protests are one thing. I think violence against others and trying to destroy others' property is another. To me there is a distinct difference. When you cross the line from one to the other, you've lost your moral high ground. If you feel you deserve it then so be it, but that's easy to say when it's not your family and property in jeopardy.

 

[D_House]

Another questionable use of force by police: http://www.talgov.com/tpd/news/4394.aspx

Meanwhile, the data shows policing is getting safer. From Radley Balko: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/02/once-again-police-work-is-not-getting-more-dangerous/

In terms of raw number of deaths, 2013 was the safest year for cops since World War II. If we look at the rate of deaths, 2013 was the safest year for police in well over a century...

So why is policing getting safer? The drop in police fatalities is a trend that mirrors the more general fall in violent crime across the country over the same period. It seems likely that whatever caused one trend also caused the other, and criminologists are still arguing over what caused the crime drop.

But some media outlets, police leaders, and law enforcement organizations continue to push the false narrative that policing is getting more dangerous, that cops are working in the equivalent of war zones, and so on. As I pointed out a couple of posts earlier this week, this almost certainly affects how police officers approach their jobs, and the way they interact with people day to day.

 

[parasaurolophus]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

It has been resolved. The criminal system is at work, you know grand juries, investigations, etc. Terrorizing the streets doesn't help that process.

Who got killed in the street?

I dont get it.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

By "the rest of us", that doesn't include you right? How many bricks were thrown at you today because of this?

Here's a message for you and Fatness. Go #### yourselves. My nephew was murdered two years ago in front of an off duty cop that did nothing to stop it. Not only that, he didn't even report it because he was drunk. Do you know what happened? He lost his job. Nobody was arrested. Nobody was put in jail. Too many conflicting stories even though most of the incident was recorded. So I more than understand the outrage. Again, #### you both.

 

[D_House]

yikes

ETA: sorry for your loss STL Bob.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

Yeah, because looting some Indian guy's Kwik-E Mart is necessary.

 

[CBusAlex]

Have the protesters actually killed anyone yet, or is it still just the police doing that?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

It has been resolved. The criminal system is at work, you know grand juries, investigations, etc. Terrorizing the streets doesn't help that process.

Who got killed in the street?

I think he's talking about the Ferguson cops terrorizing the citizens. But I am not sure.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Have the protesters actually killed anyone yet, or is it still just the police doing that?

I think he's talking about the Ferguson cops terrorizing the citizens. But I am not sure.

What is attempted murder really? I don't know if this is fishing, actual the ends justifies the means thinking or what. Even if Wilson is 100% guilty, I don't understand what attacking other people completely uninvolved with the shooting, solves. It's particularly disgusting that they are attacked solely based upon the color of their skin. It's easy to think it is okay when it isn't your community I guess. It also hurts coming from people that I considered iFriends, particularly you JTG.

 

[CBusAlex]

It just seems like your anger is a bit misplaced when you say "I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin," then go on to describe the group which is not doing that as the problem.

Is it a problem that some of the protesters are looting and vandalizing innocent people's stores and stuff? Yes, of course. Is it also a problem that the police are threatening to murder them, refusing to wear ID, and oh yeah, also killing some unarmed kid and doing their best to sweep it under the rug? Also yes. Would the former be happening at all without the latter? Seems doubtful.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Have the protesters actually killed anyone yet, or is it still just the police doing that?

I think he's talking about the Ferguson cops terrorizing the citizens. But I am not sure.

What is attempted murder really? I don't know if this is fishing, actual the ends justifies the means thinking or what. Even if Wilson is 100% guilty, I don't understand what attacking other people completely uninvolved with the shooting, solves. It's particularly disgusting that they are attacked solely based upon the color of their skin. It's easy to think it is okay when it isn't your community I guess. It also hurts coming from people that I considered iFriends, particularly you JTG.

I was being insensitive. Sorry. You live close enough to really feel this stuff. I do not.

The violence is terrible, all around. It's insane, really.

But, the protests/riots/looting are a symptoms of a larger problem, it seems.

Ferguson is/was a tinderbox. Why?

 

[Jim11]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

Yeah, because looting some Indian guy's Kwik-E Mart is necessary.

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

Yes, blacks are imprisoned disproportionally compared to the percentage of blacks in the population, but are they also committing crimes disproportionally?

 

[Jim11]

It just seems like your anger is a bit misplaced when you say "I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin," then go on to describe the group which is not doing that as the problem.

Is it a problem that some of the protesters are looting and vandalizing innocent people's stores and stuff? Yes, of course. Is it also a problem that the police are threatening to murder them, refusing to wear ID, and oh yeah, also killing some unarmed kid and doing their best to sweep it under the rug? Also yes. Would the former be happening at all without the latter? Seems doubtful. - The latter does not justify the former.

- The latter does not justify the former.

- The police are not threatening to murder anyone.

-

 

[mcintyre1]

It never stops.

Recently released surveillance video, his death as he talked on his cellphone in the pet aisle, casually holding a pellet gun that he had picked up from a shelf in the store.

In the 911 call, we hear Ronald Ritchie repeatedly telling the operator that Crawford is pointing "a gun" at people. At one point, he tells the operator that Crawford is "loading it right now" and that "he just pointed it at, like, two children."

Your link is a bit oddly formatted, but that video is horrifying. You almost have to wonder if the 911 caller had a grudge for that guy or something. He manages to be both relatively calm while completely lying about what is happening. The more I think about it, I wonder if he's just a moron that did it as a 'joke'. This video also has audio from the surveillance videos. You can hear the guy apologize after he's down behind the endcap. Jesus.

EDIT: I'll also say that this video makes me less angry at the police officer who shot him. The 911 caller was feeding them pure bull#### that they had no way to confirm or deny. I still believe he should have given the kid more of a chance to surrender before shooting, but they'd been fed a story that painted a picture of a crazy black man loading a rifle and waving it around at bystanders.

 

[Mello]

See the problem is there is a mob a of people, almost all black, but nowhere close to all black people, causing serious problems.

Didn't someone get killed also? Or is that all resolved and not a problem now?

How about they all go "protest" in front of your house or business instead? And by "protest" I mean try to inflict bodily harm up to and including murdering you, your family and co-workers. Only if you are white of course. It would make just as much sense. I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin or beliefs. Crazy I know.

That's fine. I and the rest of us deserve it. We're responsible for this "justice" system that imprisons more people than any nation on the planet. And disproportionally imprisons black people over others. When the system is broken and doesn't respond to the needs of a large minority, this is the necessary result.

By "the rest of us", that doesn't include you right? How many bricks were thrown at you today because of this?

Here's a message for you and Fatness. Go #### yourselves. My nephew was murdered two years ago in front of an off duty cop that did nothing to stop it. Not only that, he didn't even report it because he was drunk. Do you know what happened? He lost his job. Nobody was arrested. Nobody was put in jail. Too many conflicting stories even though most of the incident was recorded. So I more than understand the outrage. Again, #### you both.

Include me any everyone else that's allowed this to go on for decades despite repeated petitions, protests, and riots.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

It just seems like your anger is a bit misplaced when you say "I don't have any tolerance for groups attacking, killing, people based upon the color of their skin," then go on to describe the group which is not doing that as the problem.

Is it a problem that some of the protesters are looting and vandalizing innocent people's stores and stuff? Yes, of course. Is it also a problem that the police are threatening to murder them, refusing to wear ID, and oh yeah, also killing some unarmed kid and doing their best to sweep it under the rug? Also yes. Would the former be happening at all without the latter? Seems doubtful.

WTF are you talking about? What group is not doing this? Are you saying the "protestors" aren't doing this?

Link to the police threatening to murder them or are you talking about pointing a gun? I don't blame them for not wanting to wear ID, I posted the link where an off duty cop had his car shot up on the highway. That isn't coincidence. Trying to sweep it under the rug. That's laughable. The story went viral immediately because according to his friend, this cop was just hunting down a black kid for no good reason. I'm not saying he had a good reason BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT YET.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Have the protesters actually killed anyone yet, or is it still just the police doing that?

I think he's talking about the Ferguson cops terrorizing the citizens. But I am not sure.

What is attempted murder really? I don't know if this is fishing, actual the ends justifies the means thinking or what. Even if Wilson is 100% guilty, I don't understand what attacking other people completely uninvolved with the shooting, solves. It's particularly disgusting that they are attacked solely based upon the color of their skin. It's easy to think it is okay when it isn't your community I guess. It also hurts coming from people that I considered iFriends, particularly you JTG.

I was being insensitive. Sorry. You live close enough to really feel this stuff. I do not.

The violence is terrible, all around. It's insane, really.

But, the protests/riots/looting are a symptoms of a larger problem, it seems.

Ferguson is/was a tinderbox. Why?

Part of the reason is the structure of the St. Louis area. It's compromised of like 160 cities or something. Some have a couple hundred people, some have tens of thousands. There is a push to eliminate this, which I've been a proponent of for many years, and it looks like it is gaining traction. Because of this there are about 150 police departments, (I’m guessing) plus the county. Most of these police departments exist to collect revenue via tickets. They are cocksucking #######s and it’s bull####. They don’t target a color, they target everybody. So you have dickhole cops that are always looking to bust you and you have a culture where they already distrust the police. Then you have this kid that looks like at the very least that he embellished the story about what happened that day to where a cop just decided to shoot a black kid because he was walking in the street. People go crazy and I really understand that, particularly if that’s what happened. The media arrives and are there 24/7, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc. show up to fan the flames and then skip town. Along with them arrive opportunists that want to capitalize on the situation by robbing and looting. I posted the link where in the first days of the protests, the people arrested weren’t from Ferguson and some weren’t even from Missouri. It’s a mob mentality pure and simple.

[SIZE=12pt]I’m not against protesting. Protest all day and night until you get the justice you think you deserve. How about you do it in front of City Hall or the Police Station though? [/SIZE]

 

[St. Louis Bob]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

The begginning looks very bad but it's clipped so I don't know the context. All I hear is some guy yelling to put the ####### gun down. I'll trust you that the cop said I'm going to kill you. He should be in jail.

How would you handle what was a riot? Serious question, no sarcasm.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

The begginning looks very bad but it's clipped so I don't know the context. All I hear is some guy yelling to put the ####### gun down. I'll trust you that the cop said I'm going to kill you. He should be in jail.

How would you handle what was a riot? Serious question, no sarcasm.

This dude was suspended (fired?) long ago, btw, IIRC.

This was borderline "4 dead in O-Hio" ####. And those were a bunch of educated white kids.

How would I handle it if I was trained to handle it? Probably not with a gun pointed at folks screaming "I will kill you". I hope, at least. But maybe I would be so ####ed up as a cop I wouldn't know what to do. And, that's a problem.

The NYC police #### up plenty, but they seem to be trained and equipped to handle stuff like this a little better, at least on a department-wide basis. Maybe instead of pouring money into military gear they hire some folks to help on this front, in terms of training, education and counseling?

Ferguson's PD is ####ed up. It's broken. It will be fixed. If that is the only good that comes from this, I guess that's a plus. If it lead to other PD's reexamining things, great. If it leads to broader social change, excellent.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

http://youtu.be/7HcO-UXJ3M8

The begginning looks very bad but it's clipped so I don't know the context. All I hear is some guy yelling to put the ####### gun down. I'll trust you that the cop said I'm going to kill you. He should be in jail.

How would you handle what was a riot? Serious question, no sarcasm.

bad clip, I thought I posted the correct one. The guy yelling "put your gun down" is yelling at the cop who has the AR pointed at the crowd. There's a "better" clip showing what happened.

Here it is:

http://www.infowars.com/ferguson-cop-points-gun-at-journalists-im-going-to-fing-kill-you/