Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

Doing more reading now, looks like it may be fake.

 

[jonessed]

Hope this is not true:

@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw

"Justice for Mike Brown

41 minutes ago · Edited ·

I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated

#‎JusticeForMike

132 Likes · 67 Comments"

This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.

Cliven Bundy Ranch = PatriotsFerguson Protesters = Thugs

Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.

Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.

Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.

If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.

You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.

I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.

So care to speculate if the Ferguson protesters showed up with guns - without the intent to fire them - what would happen?

If they aren't licensed to open carry I imagine they would be arrested .

 

[ffldrew]

Hope this is not true:

@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw

"Justice for Mike Brown

41 minutes ago · Edited ·

I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated

#‎JusticeForMike

132 Likes · 67 Comments"

This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.

Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.

Cliven Bundy Ranch = Patriots

Ferguson Protesters = Thugs

Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.

Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.

Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.

If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.

You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.

I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.

So care to speculate if the Ferguson protesters showed up with guns - without the intent to fire them - what would happen?

Sure. They'd likely be shot. The authorities treat blacks differently, and worse. I've stated that several times in this forum, and in this thread.

And after they were shot - would they be called Patriots or Thugs? Which would they be called on Fox and right wing radio shows?

 

[Lutherman2112]

Doing more reading now, looks like it may be fake.

I saw it too. It was attributed to Chief's wife, but it was the rantings of a completely different woman.

 

[Todd Andrews]

If there is more violence and the police are incapable of controlling things (or if the police are themselves escalating the violence as has been charged by some), the governor needs to get involved, call out the National Guard, and enforce martial law. Once order has been restored, then there can be investigations and prosecutions of wrongdoers, be they police or private citizens. But no matter what, order has to come first.

The Gov canceled his appearance at the fair to show up tomorrow, so we're probably good.

Hey, maybe the President could weigh in...

Obama can't ever do anything right when it comes to racial issues. When he stays out of it, he's criticized by the black community and liberals, and the implication is that he is cowardly. When he offers his opinion, conservatives rush to attack him (and among conservatives I know personally, when they talk about Obama the thing that always seems to outrage them most are his comments regarding racial issues such as Trayvon Martin- more than Obamacare even. It burns them up.)

You're right, these are all great reasons not to lead.

I didn't say that. But like Zimmerman-Martin, this is a murky situation. Right now we really don't know anything. President Obama should call for calm, threaten the use of troops to restore order if necessary, and promise federal investigations into how this started and what really happened. And that's all.

What is murky about what is going on in Ferguson tonight?

Right now? Everything. I have no idea what's happening right now. Are the police responding to violence, or are they engaging in it themselves? Who knows? We'll know more soon I suppose, but I'm betting it will still be murky.

Why dont you know what is going on, Tim? It is being reported all over and has been all day. Every move that the police have made and the protestors is all being documented and much of that is available in almost real time.

What you mean to say is that it is murky to you, like most of the topics you constantly comment on over and over again, ad nauseum, until you are corrected on some of your error filled posts, and then you keep posting but flip flop your positions around and take the opposite position you previously held.

Do us all a favor: if it is "murky" to you and you dont know about something or what is going on, just show some restraint and dont comment.

 

[timschochet]

Hope this is not true:

@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw

"Justice for Mike Brown

41 minutes ago · Edited ·

I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated

#‎JusticeForMike

132 Likes · 67 Comments"

This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.

Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.

Cliven Bundy Ranch = Patriots

Ferguson Protesters = Thugs

Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.

Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.

Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.

If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.

You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.

I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.

I didnt say or imply that you were sympathetic to the Bundy idiots, although you clearly think that the people in Ferguson are worse than the "Bundy idiots" because you said so. You are so dumb you dont even understand the point of the post you commented on or my point in noting how stupid your post was. It is all going right over your head, Tim. You should stop posting now.

This article is about you, Tim.

I never said they were worse. I said that it wasn't a valid comparison because there was no rioting or looting in Nevada. But to me the Bundy fools are far worse (and far more threatening to our society since there is such a large proportion of Americans sympathetic to their views.)

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Doing more reading now, looks like it may be fake.

It was reported as a fake like 8 hours ago, scoop.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Hope this is not true:

@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw

"Justice for Mike Brown

41 minutes ago · Edited ·

I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated

#‎JusticeForMike

132 Likes · 67 Comments"

This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.

Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.

Cliven Bundy Ranch = Patriots

Ferguson Protesters = Thugs

Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.

Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.

Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.

If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.

You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.

I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.

Pointing guns at law enforcement agents and threatening to shoot them is a crime. And let's not forget about these two.

 

[timschochet]

If there is more violence and the police are incapable of controlling things (or if the police are themselves escalating the violence as has been charged by some), the governor needs to get involved, call out the National Guard, and enforce martial law. Once order has been restored, then there can be investigations and prosecutions of wrongdoers, be they police or private citizens. But no matter what, order has to come first.

The Gov canceled his appearance at the fair to show up tomorrow, so we're probably good.

Hey, maybe the President could weigh in...

Obama can't ever do anything right when it comes to racial issues. When he stays out of it, he's criticized by the black community and liberals, and the implication is that he is cowardly. When he offers his opinion, conservatives rush to attack him (and among conservatives I know personally, when they talk about Obama the thing that always seems to outrage them most are his comments regarding racial issues such as Trayvon Martin- more than Obamacare even. It burns them up.)

You're right, these are all great reasons not to lead.

I didn't say that. But like Zimmerman-Martin, this is a murky situation. Right now we really don't know anything. President Obama should call for calm, threaten the use of troops to restore order if necessary, and promise federal investigations into how this started and what really happened. And that's all.

What is murky about what is going on in Ferguson tonight?

Right now? Everything. I have no idea what's happening right now. Are the police responding to violence, or are they engaging in it themselves? Who knows? We'll know more soon I suppose, but I'm betting it will still be murky.

Why dont you know what is going on, Tim? It is being reported all over and has been all day. Every move that the police have made and the protestors is all being documented and much of that is available in almost real time.

What you mean to say is that it is murky to you, like most of the topics you constantly comment on over and over again, ad nauseum, until you are corrected on some of your error filled posts, and then you keep posting but flip flop your positions around and take the opposite position you previosuly held.

Do us all a favor: if it is "murky" to you and you dont know about something or what is going on, just show some restraint and dont comment.

JFC. You seem to care much more about attacking me than anything else involved in this issue. Yes it is all being reported on. And there is a lot of misinformation. My inclination is to believe, as you evidently do, that the police are violating civil liberties, that most of the protests are peaceful, but there are a few bad apples on the protest side engaged in violent protest and looting. But we'll know more for sure in a few days. It may be that many of our assumptions are incorrect.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Hope this is not true:

@BenDoernberg: From the Justice for Mike Brown FB page: I heard that 2morrow its going down https://t.co/M3nuMgdMaw

"Justice for Mike Brown

41 minutes ago · Edited ·

I just got.word that this is the last day of peaceful protests. Everybody is getting tired of these bull#### ### police officers. I heard that 2morrow its going down that its going to get Violent and worse people bringing they guns out and fighting back at the police since they wanna shoot tear gas at innocent protesters I pray this is not true I will keep everybody updated

#‎JusticeForMike

132 Likes · 67 Comments"

This is a weird situation all the way around. Beefed up cops against minorities with a grudge. The citizens aren't doing themselves any favors by looting and robbing and the cops aren't helping themselves by slamming national media into soda fountains.

Watching conservatives and conspiracy theorists is the funniest part of this. They in general don't want to be on the side of the black community OR the "police state", so they rant and rave, blame Obama and struggle to make sense.

Cliven Bundy Ranch = Patriots

Ferguson Protesters = Thugs

Not a good analogy. I have no love for the Cliven Bundy idiots, but what exactly have they done? They carry guns and talk tough, but they haven't rioted or looted anything.

Are you joking? What have the Bundy idiots done? Far worse than anyone in Ferguson has--they repeatedly trained their assault weapons on law enforcement officers in face to face standoffs with the express threat that they were willing to use them.

Let me see if I understand how your mind works: In Ferguson, some dumb opportunistic criminals did some property crimes and that is worse than literally pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officers in broad daylight. Fascinating.

If the protestors in Ferguson did what the Bundy idiots did then there would dozens and dozens of dead black Americans.

You call me a one trick pony...I submit that you, too, have one trick: dumb.

I don't think the Bundy idiots would ever have fired their weapons. What's dumb is that somehow you took from comments the idea that I'm in any way sympathetic to them, or think that the Ferguson protestors are worse somehow. It's just a poor analogy.

I didnt say or imply that you were sympathetic to the Bundy idiots, although you clearly think that the people in Ferguson are worse than the "Bundy idiots" because you said so. You are so dumb you dont even understand the point of the post you commented on or my point in noting how stupid your post was. It is all going right over your head, Tim. You should stop posting now.

This article is about you, Tim.

I never said they were worse. I said that it wasn't a valid comparison because there was no rioting or looting in Nevada. But to me the Bundy fools are far worse (and far more threatening to our society since there is such a large proportion of Americans sympathetic to their views.)

Tim, just stop. You arent bright enough for this. The point of the post you commented on was not a direct comparison, it was a comment about the perception of certain people in this country, and you know it. So stop whining about "valid comparisons", as if that means anything. The point of the original post you commented on was not comparing the two groups or what they did, it was making a point about how they are perceived in our society, culture, media, etc., and you then commented about the behavior of the two groups and what they had done or not done, and by extension which was worse, and by logical extension how that behavior caused the two different reactions to the two groups. And to top it off, you were flat wrong on the facts of what the two groups did, and which was actually worse.

Shoo. Go away. Stop bringing your trifling stuff around.

 

[timschochet]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Tim?

 

[Todd Andrews]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

It was a sublime commentary that is over your head.

Go read that article I linked for you and then go hang out at your black barbershop some more. Explain to them down there how you're in the swirl, and why the Bundy idiots didnt do anything but "carry guns and talk tough," but the people in Ferguson getting gassed and shot with rubber and wooden bullets did something wrong.

 

[timschochet]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

It was a sublime commentary that is over your head.

Go read that article I linked for you and then go hang out at your black barbershop some more. Explain to them down there how you're in the swirl, and why the Bundy idiots didnt do anything but "carry guns and talk tough," but the people in Ferguson getting gassed and shot with rubber and wooden bullets did something wrong.

Just for clarification- did the protestors who looted stores "do something wrong"? Or were they justified to loot because of what happened to Michael Brown and what's happening now?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

It was a sublime commentary that is over your head.

Go read that article I linked for you and then go hang out at your black barbershop some more. Explain to them down there how you're in the swirl, and why the Bundy idiots didnt do anything but "carry guns and talk tough," but the people in Ferguson getting gassed and shot with rubber and wooden bullets did something wrong.

Just for clarification- did the protestors who looted stores "do something wrong"? Or were they justified to loot because of what happened to Michael Brown and what's happening now?

2 wrongs dont.....ahh never mind

 

[Todd Andrews]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

It was a sublime commentary that is over your head.

Go read that article I linked for you and then go hang out at your black barbershop some more. Explain to them down there how you're in the swirl, and why the Bundy idiots didnt do anything but "carry guns and talk tough," but the people in Ferguson getting gassed and shot with rubber and wooden bullets did something wrong.

Just for clarification- did the protestors who looted stores "do something wrong"? Or were they justified to loot because of what happened to Michael Brown and what's happening now?

uh....duh.....

 

[timschochet]

I think that what people actually do affects other peoples' perception of them. It's certainly true that much of the perception of the Ferguson protestors is racially motivated, but the fact that there are looters among the protestors also shapes the perception. It's what started this thread.

So I have to disagree with you again, Todd. It was not a good analogy, either in perception or action.

It was a sublime commentary that is over your head.

Go read that article I linked for you and then go hang out at your black barbershop some more. Explain to them down there how you're in the swirl, and why the Bundy idiots didnt do anything but "carry guns and talk tough," but the people in Ferguson getting gassed and shot with rubber and wooden bullets did something wrong.

Just for clarification- did the protestors who looted stores "do something wrong"? Or were they justified to loot because of what happened to Michael Brown and what's happening now?

uh....duh.....

Fine then. Your implication was otherwise.

Anyhow, I hope nobody else gets hurt. I'm going to bed. Good night.

 

[Bucky86]

This is ####### nuts

 

[Bucky86]

What do the tea party backers have to say about this?

 

[Gawain]

What do the tea party backers have to say about this?

I'd love to see the Missouri Citizen's Militia make good on their promise to stand up with the protesters.

 

[hagmania]

http://puu.sh/aRMFW/14a2bd6330.jpg

This is unreal. Do the police really think news won't be reported?

 

[Run It Up]

Watched a stream of tonights protest. Tuned in a couple hours after someone threw a molotov.

Everyone protesting peacefully as far as I could tell, after the first hour the police had told everyone to stop filming multiple times. Eventually the police issue a final warning to stop filming. The police then issued a second final warning to stop filming.

The protesters responded through a megaphone that they would not stop filming. The police then blasted their crowd control sonic weapon for a good couple minutes. After the crowd didn't disperse they cut the sonic weapon and shot several volleys of tear gas into the crowd and surrounding neighborhood, following it up almost immediately with rubber bullets as people began to disperse.

The tear gas canisters can be seen catching someones lawn on fire as the crowd retreated into a large neighborhood. The police pursued while firing more tear gas and rubber bullets into this neighborhood.


This whole thing is a mess. Why they haven't called in the national guard yet is beyond me, the STL police are clearly handling this ####### terribly.

 

[Widbil83]

China and Russia are loving this.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Good strategy in going after reporters to enforce a media blackout. That will end well.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Watched a stream of tonights protest. Tuned in a couple hours after someone threw a molotov.

Everyone protesting peacefully as far as I could tell, after the first hour the police had told everyone to stop filming multiple times. Eventually the police issue a final warning to stop filming. The police then issued a second final warning to stop filming.

The protesters responded through a megaphone that they would not stop filming. The police then blasted their crowd control sonic weapon for a good couple minutes. After the crowd didn't disperse they cut the sonic weapon and shot several volleys of tear gas into the crowd and surrounding neighborhood, following it up almost immediately with rubber bullets as people began to disperse.

The tear gas canisters can be seen catching someones lawn on fire as the crowd retreated into a large neighborhood. The police pursued while firing more tear gas and rubber bullets into this neighborhood.

This whole thing is a mess. Why they haven't called in the national guard yet is beyond me, the STL police are clearly handling this ####### terribly.

 

[dgreen]

Washington Post reporter arrested...temporarily.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Watched a stream of tonights protest. Tuned in a couple hours after someone threw a molotov.

Everyone protesting peacefully as far as I could tell, after the first hour the police had told everyone to stop filming multiple times. Eventually the police issue a final warning to stop filming. The police then issued a second final warning to stop filming.

The protesters responded through a megaphone that they would not stop filming. The police then blasted their crowd control sonic weapon for a good couple minutes. After the crowd didn't disperse they cut the sonic weapon and shot several volleys of tear gas into the crowd and surrounding neighborhood, following it up almost immediately with rubber bullets as people began to disperse.

The tear gas canisters can be seen catching someones lawn on fire as the crowd retreated into a large neighborhood. The police pursued while firing more tear gas and rubber bullets into this neighborhood.

This whole thing is a mess. Why they haven't called in the national guard yet is beyond me, the STL police are clearly handling this ####### terribly.

You statist government-loving authoritarian types are fascinating.

 

[ArbyMelt]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

I'm embarrased by the police actions in Missouri, but damn proud to be an American today.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

I'm embarrased by the police actions in Missouri, but damn proud to be an American today.

I like rebellion against authority, too.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

I'm embarrased by the police actions in Missouri, but damn proud to be an American today.

As I pointed out in the last post, you'd have a hard time finding someone who loves and believes in this country more than me. But In a democracy, we're all responsible for the actions of those acting under color of law. I'm embarrassed that we (myself included) allowed this to happen. I have faith that we'll act accordingly, though.

Curious why you're so proud today? Proud, absolutely. Me too. But today?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

I wouldn't go this far but it does seem like it's 1961 down there right now.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

Meh, you take every opportunity you get to hate yourself for being an American, for being white, for being straight. I understand your frustration but your melodrama gets old. Funny thing is I agree with a lot of your points. I believe Michael Sam should get his shot. I believe cops are far too militarized.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

Easy there, Michelle Obama.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

Meh, you take every opportunity you get to hate yourself for being an American, for being white, for being straight. I understand your frustration but your melodrama gets old. Funny thing is I agree with a lot of your points. I believe Michael Sam should get his shot. I believe cops are far too militarized.

That's you reading far too much into my posts. I promise you I don't hate myself for being American, white or straight.

Apparently people are struggling with the word "today" in my post. Sorry if that seemed melodramatic, so to clarify once again- my embarrassment is temporary. You can love something a lot and still be embarrassed and ashamed about stuff it does from time to time, as any married man can tell you.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm embarrassed to be an American today.

Why don't you just go live somewhere else? You have way too much white guilt bud.

Do you not know what the word "today" means? I love my country as much as anyone. I love it enough to see its faults and to want it to be more. I can also admit my teeny tiny role in being complicit in this and want to do better.

It's too bad that you apparently can't do the same. "White guilt" my ###.

Meh, you take every opportunity you get to hate yourself for being an American, for being white, for being straight. I understand your frustration but your melodrama gets old. Funny thing is I agree with a lot of your points. I believe Michael Sam should get his shot. I believe cops are far too militarized.

That's you reading far too much into my posts. I promise you I don't hate myself for being American, white or straight.

Apparently people are struggling with the word "today" in my post. Sorry if that seemed melodramatic, so to clarify once again- my embarrassment is temporary. You can love something a lot and still be embarrassed and ashamed about stuff it does from time to time, as any married man can tell you.

I hate you for being straight, tiger.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'm embarrassed to be a St. Louisan today. The actions of the police in Ferguson, especially last night, are a complete embarrassment.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I hope everything going on down there today is being filmed, and I hope more journalists are drawn to Ferguson. The chief of police, or whoever is making these idiotic decisions, can go live in China. He'll find their attitude toward transparency and freedom of the press more to his liking.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I hope everything going on down there today is being filmed, and I hope more journalists are drawn to Ferguson. The chief of police, or whoever is making these idiotic decisions, can go live in China. He'll find their attitude toward transparency and freedom of the press more to his liking.

Yeah it's like if someone did something stupid on the internet, then tried to remove it without considering people took a screen grab of it.

You can't hide this type of abuse by cracking down or trying a blackout, technology beats that in 2014.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There's also the legal aspect of it. I mean, can the cops legally force no one to record what is going on on their cell phones and whatnot? I seriously doubt it.

 

[KCitons]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There's also the legal aspect of it. I mean, can the cops legally force no one to record what is going on on their cell phones and whatnot? I seriously doubt it.

Of course not. This has been a semi-hot issue in recent years. No links, but there have been several cases in which people have been arrested for filming police as they went about their jobs in public. As far as I know, every single "film-er" has won.

Edit: The idea that it can somehow be illegal to film the police while performing their official duties in a public place is ridiculous on its face.

 

[roadkill1292]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

We can certainly argue about how much and at what speed the authorities should release information that only they're in possession of. But trying to control what gets reported about events happening in public is just plain censorship. Sensationalism may be a bad thing but suppression of the truth is worse.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

 

[timschochet]

Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's one thing to complain about the media. It's quite another for the police to attempt to forcibly shut the media up. I highly doubt that even the most vigorous media critics around here would support that remedy.

 

[RUSF18]

There's also the legal aspect of it. I mean, can the cops legally force no one to record what is going on on their cell phones and whatnot? I seriously doubt it.

Of course not. This has been a semi-hot issue in recent years. No links, but there have been several cases in which people have been arrested for filming police as they went about their jobs in public. As far as I know, every single "film-er" has won.

Edit: The idea that it can somehow be illegal to film the police while performing their official duties in a public place is ridiculous on its face.

From what I've seen, the only way the police can force media to stop filming is if it "interferes with the job they are doing" (paraphrasing but remember "interferes with" being the key phrase). What falls under that can be pretty subjective but I don't think the media filming an advancing riot squad just as they are about to start shooting tear gas and rubber bullets would fall under that.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Good read

Tremendous article. Thanks for the link.

I'm a firm believer that the military is exactly what we need to put a stop to the violence in South Chicago and such....Nothing else has ever worked.

how about doing something to build a community and an environment where people don't keep growing up in the cycle of poverty creating a mindset that they've got nothing to lose when they commit crimes and do stupid ####?

If we start now we may see minuscule results in 50 years.

How about putting some serious teeth in the punishment of crime so the criminals will say to themselves........man, I don't ever want to go back to the pen...ever!

 

[kentric]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

Its easy to understand why the police dept doesn't want to give out the officer's name as it is a volatile situation and that person would be in physical jeapordy, but to control media coverage like they are doing is ridiculous. Perhaps they'll bring Homeland Security in.

 

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I hope everything going on down there today is being filmed, and I hope more journalists are drawn to Ferguson. The chief of police, or whoever is making these idiotic decisions, can go live in China. He'll find their attitude toward transparency and freedom of the press more to his liking.

Yeah it's like if someone did something stupid on the internet, then tried to remove it without considering people took a screen grab of it.

You can't hide this type of abuse by cracking down or trying a blackout, technology beats that in 2014.

So starved for attention with all these desperate look at me attempts in this thread. OK OK, I'll pet the yapping puppy.

Yes I looked into a fundly page, however... it quite obviously wasn't ever released. Why? Because we successfully raised the necessary $15k thanks to our generous sponsors. Booth was the biggest in fest history, Tipsy fed an army and got plenty of media coverage, and thousands of people dropped in and had a blast. We'd also like to welcome fellow FBGer sbonomo and his brother to the squad for next year. Great guys.

Thanks for checking on to make sure everything went smoothly though. It IS nice to know my sig is so far under your skin that it's evoked this sort of tantrum here and :e:lsewhere.