Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)

[dozer]

The Gov just put a 12am curfew in place. Should end well.

BREAKING NEWS: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and is implementing a curfew in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson where Michael Brown was killed by a police officer a week ago.

oh boy.....

I've got a real bad feeling about this...

Now imagine the Governor was black Republican.

Have mercy...

 

[johnnycakes]

Question: Do they now throw the cop under the bus solely to quell the masses?

 

[Greggity]

Question: Do they now throw the cop under the bus solely to quell the masses?

The white guilt sacrifice, I like it....

 

[PitbullTD]

There was no robbery. It would be a shoplifting charge. Misdemeanor theft.

Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.

I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.

That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.

I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.The act is clearly a felony.

I guess if I was in the kids position, with the video out there, I'm taking the plea all day long 100% of the time. He'd have to have some real bad advice from someone in his corner to not take the plea.

 

[Otis]

This debate is awfully one-sided. Pitbull, stay down.

 

[GrandpaRox]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.

Well I was only going back to the 80s, 1980's.

Imagine if the south did not engage in slavery. Stupid white crackers.

This country would be so different.

 

[Christo]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.

Well I was only going back to the 80s, 1980's.

Imagine if the south did not engage in slavery. Stupid white crackers.

This country would be so different.

What makes you say race relations were better in the 80's than now?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

...getting worse in Ferguson.

Have to say the political changes of the 1970's seems to have passed this place by.

Something different is going on there.

 

[Jim11]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.

Well I was only going back to the 80s, 1980's.

Imagine if the south did not engage in slavery. Stupid white crackers.

This country would be so different.

Maybe not like you imagine. There would be less black folks in the USA if not for slavery. BTW, I think "white crackers" is redundant.

BTW #2, the whole world would be different if not for slavery. It's not like the "white crackers" in the south invented it.

 

[Jim11]

The Gov just put a 12am curfew in place. Should end well.

BREAKING NEWS: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and is implementing a curfew in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson where Michael Brown was killed by a police officer a week ago.

oh boy.....

I've got a real bad feeling about this...

Now imagine the Governor was black Republican.

Have mercy...

Cleverly they picked a Saturday night to start this curfew.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.

Well I was only going back to the 80s, 1980's.

Imagine if the south did not engage in slavery. Stupid white crackers.

This country would be so different.

What makes you say race relations were better in the 80's than now?

Yeah, people have weird memories of our shared recent past. There should be no serious question that race relations are much better today than in the 1980s. And the 1980s were far better than the 1960s.

 

[Courtjester]

The only reason things seem so bad is we have a 24/7 media cycle that loves to make a story out of any event that could even be sort of construed as racially motivated.

 

[Henry Ford]

The police switched to a softer friendlier approach, and then nighttime looting and rioting started back up. Maybe the more heavy handed-approach, which was heavily criticized, is necessary to protect Ferguson's business owners' interests and residents' safety.

Or maybe, just maybe, the heavy handed approach was criticized because it was used against peaceful protesters?

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

Worse? Call me crazy, but for some reason I believe that it was worse when white people could own black people.

Well I was only going back to the 80s, 1980's. Imagine if the south did not engage in slavery. Stupid white crackers.

This country would be so different.

What makes you say race relations were better in the 80's than now?

Guessing not being old enough to have watched the news in the 80s.

 

[jonessed]

The Gov just put a 12am curfew in place. Should end well.

BREAKING NEWS: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declares a state of emergency and is implementing a curfew in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson where Michael Brown was killed by a police officer a week ago.

oh boy.....I've got a real bad feeling about this...

They asked the Highway Patrol Captain if they were gonna bring the tanks and tear gas out to enforce it, and he said the only method they will use is commumication.

Nothing like publicly announcing a free-for-all.

 

[msommer]

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

More looting and rioting should help.....

As will tear gas and military weaponry!

In RESPONSE to looting, rioting and general lawlessness......

No way that could ever go wrong!

Do you propose the police and business owners just stand by like this while people do what they like?

No. Are you really proposing using assault rifles, snipers and armored vehicles against looters?

I take it you won't be a fan of Obamas martial law....

now, don't forget about answering the question

 

[msommer]

Question: Do they now throw the cop under the bus solely to quell the masses?

Nope, but they do try him for whatever it is he did

 

[rct]

Cleverly they picked a Saturday night to start this curfew.

And MSNBC is showing Lockdown. :(

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Question: Do they now throw the cop under the bus solely to quell the masses?

Nope, but they do try him for whatever it is he did

And we haven't heard much about Wilson, have we?

Officer Darren Wilson, 28, who has six years of policing experience, is on paid administrative leave, authorities said.

His record has been clean of any disciplinary measures, the Ferguson police chief said.

The officer will have to undergo two psychological evaluations before returning to any duty, authorities said.

Whether and when he'll return to duty is uncertain in the face of the two ongoing investigations.

In the meantime, law officials described Wilson as "very shaken." He was briefly taken to the hospital following the confrontation with Brown because Wilson suffered an injury that left his face swollen, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said.

"He's devastated. He never intended for this to happen," Jackson said. "He was a gentleman. A quiet officer. He is and has been an excellent police officer."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/whats-next-ferguson-missouri-michael-brown/index.html

What if he's acquitted?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Funny:

White people looting had fancier names, names like "Manifest Destiny," or "La Conquista." #Ferguson

 

[Fennis]

Funny:

White people looting had fancier names, names like "Manifest Destiny," or "La Conquista." #Ferguson

damn it. I was literally coming on to post how it seems like a Carlin routine.



<happy high voice> When white people riot its a party, "Lets have a Tea Party. Its a Whiskey Rebellion! Weeeee". <scary deep voice> When black people riot its Kill the looters. Shoot the looters"

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I don't think the context changes at all. It is still this: Cop shoots a defenseless kid from 30 yards away.

The bolded is according to witnesses. It'll be interesting to see what the forensic results on the bullet wounds show.

I thought it was 30 feet away... now it's 30 yards away?

Someone page me when he was gunned down from 30 miles away.

I thought it was 35 feet (or yards).

I'm assuming everyone realizes there is a relatively significant difference between feet/yards here, right?

I've read both, but the difference really is not material here. Either way he was shot while running away from a distance, unarmed.

a couple steps plus momentum could carry a 6'4" tall man 30-35" feet... obviously not good to shoot someone in the back from 5-10 feet away but a bit more excusable as a "heat of the moment thing" as the person is still within range of being a threat.

Shooting someone in the back 30-35 yards away would require taking a good bit of time to line up the shot on a suspect who is WELL outside of range of being any sort of threat. It's absolutely inexcusable under any explanation.

Clarifying for the nits who love to mince words... I'm NOT saying shooting someone in the back at the closer rage is excusable... just easier to see as a "heat of moment" thing than the (much) longer distance.

Yeah, thanks for clarifying that 1961 Mississippi white guy.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

There was no robbery. It would be a shoplifting charge. Misdemeanor theft.

Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.

I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.

That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.

I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.The act is clearly a felony.

I guess if I was in the kids position, with the video out there, I'm taking the plea all day long 100% of the time. He'd have to have some real bad advice from someone in his corner to not take the plea.

Good kid, first time offender, if it was just shoplifting, which was your initial position, a P.D. would likely get a deferred judgment upon completion of an anti-shoplifting course and some useful public service. I throw a few lines out there and now you are jumping to take two misdemeanor convictions with some jail time. First off I believe you have abandoned your initial position, which was wise. Obviously even you do not believe it was a simply shoplift. Second of all, if you are ever in trouble, hire an attorney.

 

[KCitons]

Good kid, first time offender, if it was just shoplifting, which was your initial position, a P.D. would likely get a deferred judgment upon completion of an anti-shoplifting course and some useful public service. I throw a few lines out there and now you are jumping to take two misdemeanor convictions with some jail time. First off I believe you have abandoned your initial position, which was wise. Obviously even you do not believe it was a simply shoplift. Second of all, if you are ever in trouble, hire an attorney.

I get the feeling that Pitbull doesn't hire an attorney, one is appointed to him.

 

[msommer]

Until Ferguson, I had never seen "peaceful protesters" throw molotov cocktails.

Yet people wonder why race relations just keep getting worse.

More looting and rioting should help.....

As will tear gas and military weaponry!

In RESPONSE to looting, rioting and general lawlessness......

No way that could ever go wrong!

Do you propose the police and business owners just stand by like this while people do what they like?

No. Are you really proposing using assault rifles, snipers and armored vehicles against looters?

I take it you won't be a fan of Obamas martial law....

now, don't forget about answering the question

what, cat got your tongue?

 

[[icon]]

Who was looting last night that needed to be gassed?

Link to where I said someone needed to be gassed?

I said the cops are way the hell out of line.

I said unfortunately its about as unlikely good cops will force out the bad cops as it is the good citizens will force out the bad citizens.

You made it sound like looting is ongoing. Is it?

Yes?

 

[PitbullTD]

There was no robbery. It would be a shoplifting charge. Misdemeanor theft.

Ok Christo, I suppose the DA could have trumped up a felony robbery charge, but he'd never be convicted of a felony. Not even with a Public Pretender.

I always thought shoplifting was something one did surreptitously not brazenly in front of the store owner. I thought shoplifting was sneaking items out of the store through slight of hand. In this instance the robber made no attempt to conceal the item. He took it, looked right at the store owner, shoved the man half his size aside, and when the man objected he came back towards him, threw out his chest in a challenge, and then strolled out of the store. That is a strong arm robbery. The item was taken by force. If one were to have a P.D. try to plead it down a Prosecutor might reduce it to shoplifting or misdemeanor theft with a misdemeanor battery charge as well. I emphasize might.I am going to submit that my opinion on this matter carries some weight given my profession and experience.

That's all I was really trying to get at. This case would never even go before a jury. There would have been a plea to lesser charges, the da pads his conviction rate, the kid doesn't end up w a felony on his record. Let's remember the kid is 18, and doesn't have a criminal record, nobody was hurt and it was some cigars. No way he gets a felony.

I disagree. If he gets an offer, and if he is smart enough to take the offer, then he gets off with two misdemeanors, likely involving some jail time, but not prison time. If he does not the case goes to trial and it is a slam dunk conviction and he takes a felony. In my experience lots of folks will turn down a plea agreement that involves some jail time, hoping to roll the dice and get off. I place the odd right around 50% that the average kid in his place takes the deal, does 30 days jail with maybe another 150 suspended upon no similar violations for a year.The act is clearly a felony.

I guess if I was in the kids position, with the video out there, I'm taking the plea all day long 100% of the time. He'd have to have some real bad advice from someone in his corner to not take the plea.

Good kid, first time offender, if it was just shoplifting, which was your initial position, a P.D. would likely get a deferred judgment upon completion of an anti-shoplifting course and some useful public service. I throw a few lines out there and now you are jumping to take two misdemeanor convictions with some jail time. First off I believe you have abandoned your initial position, which was wise. Obviously even you do not believe it was a simply shoplift. Second of all, if you are ever in trouble, hire an attorney.

Pretty sure my initial stance, which you quoted, was that yeah the da might trump up some robbery charges but no way the kid ends up w a felony. I never strayed from that./edit: and I'll add, imo, no way the kid gets approved for diversion.

 

[PitbullTD]

Good kid, first time offender, if it was just shoplifting, which was your initial position, a P.D. would likely get a deferred judgment upon completion of an anti-shoplifting course and some useful public service. I throw a few lines out there and now you are jumping to take two misdemeanor convictions with some jail time. First off I believe you have abandoned your initial position, which was wise. Obviously even you do not believe it was a simply shoplift. Second of all, if you are ever in trouble, hire an attorney.

I get the feeling that Pitbull doesn't hire an attorney, one is appointed to him.

Lol, if I had attorneys appointed for me I'd still be in prison.

 

[HellToupee]

so whats the deal with the deceased being a blood

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

A witness spoke exclusively with Fox2 News about what he saw when a Ferguson police officer shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown last Saturday at Canfield Green Apartments. The man who does not want to be identified, says Brown was not armed and had his hands in the air, as if surrendering, when the officer opened fire striking him several times.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

"Michael grabs the gun"

"Gun goes off"

"freeze"

"bum rush[ed] him"

Suggestion he was "on something".

Final shot was in the forehead 2-3 feet in front of officer.

Toxicology report requested, standard 2-4 weeks until results come back.

 

[Henry Ford]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

"Michael grabs the gun"

"Gun goes off"

"freeze"

"bum rush[ed] him"

Suggestion he was "on something".

Final shot was in the forehead 2-3 feet in front of officer.

Toxicology report requested, standard 2-4 weeks until results come back.

That certainly is different from the account from eyewitnesses at the scene who don't know the shooter or the deceased.

 

[Bucky86]

Did it end up being Michael Brown robbing the store?

Also, the ladies story from the cops side sounds plausible, but will be easily proven, or disproven during the autopsy.

 

[jplvr]

SIAP, but VICE has a live feed up.

Link would help...

https://news.vice.com/article/vice-news-live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson-missouri

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

"Michael grabs the gun"

"Gun goes off"

"freeze"

"bum rush[ed] him"

Suggestion he was "on something".

Final shot was in the forehead 2-3 feet in front of officer.

Toxicology report requested, standard 2-4 weeks until results come back.

That certainly is different from the account from eyewitnesses at the scene who don't know the shooter or the deceased.

Listening to this one witness who says that Brown had his hands in the air saying "ok ok ok", then shots fired, then he "stumbled forward ... 25 feet or so and then fell down on his face." Also 6-7 shots fired and three cops were on the scene. - ETA this suggests to me that Wilson called for help (either because of the struggle or because of stealing cigars thing), and also there will be witnesses on the cops' side too.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/12/witness-claims-he-saw-what-happened-when-michael-brown-was-shot/#ooid=RrdzJtbzrmLkNgsaXxQgPN29i2ECGcX_

PO's view of things about what one would expect. Miles to go here as it doesn't sound like Wilson is going to fall on his sword.

 

[Fennis]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

It was funny when she said baba booey at the end.

 

[shuke]

SIAP, but VICE has a live feed up.

Link would help...

https://news.vice.com/article/vice-news-live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson-missouri

There goes my night.

 

[whitem0nkey]

SIAP, but VICE has a live feed up.

Link would help...

https://news.vice.com/article/vice-news-live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson-missouri

Amazing! wow, thanks

 

[shuke]

Are the press absolved from having to honor the curfew?

 

[jplvr]

Are the press absolved from having to honor the curfew?

They're in a safe zone. I think that's why the protestors showed up there. Pretty sure this will be a non event, which is best anyway.

 

[Courtjester]

Yeah it looks like a bunch of press hoping for something to happen. A few REAL protesters and some out of town protesters that came in to get arrested to make a point.

 

[Fennis]

[SIZE=10.5pt]5 or 6 activists and 12 or 15 journalists. LOL[/SIZE]

 

[whitem0nkey]

[SIZE=10.5pt]5 or 6 activists and 12 or 15 journalists. LOL[/SIZE]

60% is press

 

[jplvr]

Well, nevermind....

 

[Courtjester]

Tear Gas!!!

 

[whitem0nkey]

Why is he running away, the hurricane weather guys seem to wait a bit longer before danger gets close.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A woman named "Josie" calls in to tell Dana Darren Williams side of the story.

"Michael grabs the gun"

"Gun goes off"

"freeze"

"bum rush[ed] him"

Suggestion he was "on something".

Final shot was in the forehead 2-3 feet in front of officer.

Toxicology report requested, standard 2-4 weeks until results come back.

That certainly is different from the account from eyewitnesses at the scene who don't know the shooter or the deceased.

Browns body was laying face down in the street ...and from the pics i see no blood on the back of his shirt...im wondering if he was in fact ever shot in the back as witnesses have stated

 

[Courtjester]

White people mbedded in the hood. They could probably get footage like this any weekend at least minus the tear gas.

Stupid reporters.....

 

[Courtjester]

Hey everyone went home--there is no story anymore. People obeyed the curfew....

Now the press is confused that the police are going to enforce the curfew as to them as well.

 

[jplvr]

Hey everyone went home--there is no story anymore. People obeyed the curfew....

Now the press is confused that the police are going to enforce the curfew as to them as well.

Yep. Reddit feed says someone was shot, but they're about as reliable as Twitter and Anon these days.

http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/