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This is an insightful post. You describe the lot to which humanity, as we know it, is fated. If humanity every collectively sheds tribalism, they will have transcended "being human' completely and would be properly regarded as something new altogether on this earth,
No, you must let the charging person, who is about double your size, beat snot out of you.
His finger isn't on the trigger, but rested on the receiver, above the trigger, as it should be.
If the guy just hit you in the face, tried to take your gun, and looked like he wasn't going to stop, I'd think there was some sort of exception under the circumstances. Police officers aren't required to roll around on the ground with people who have just injured, tried to disarm them, and were continuing to try to do so.
Not as a codified on-the-books penalty, no. But as a societal "schmidt happens" risk of veering off the straight & narrow? No problem with it at all.
WTF is wrong with this pumpkin head? It looks like a pretty peaceful gathering and he is losing his ####.
Along with taking the risk that he takes your gun and kills you with it. You also need to be an expert marksman because if you don't kill him with the first shot or two people will scream that you shot him too many times.
No, I'd prefer that all information relevant to the incident be released to the public as soon as possible. That's transparency. Concealing some information while releasing other information in an obvious attempt to generate sympathy for the officer and contempt for the victim is not transparency.
jerryjamify 1 hour ago
I've seen a few accounts like this, and they are troubling on their face. However ... are we totally positive the journalists that have been detained (AFAIK, none for more than a few "scare 'em" hours, which is bad enough) did nothing at all to merit their detentions?
We are 2 of the few that make any sense in this thread. Fortunately there was an unbiased audio recording that surfaced stating that Brown in fact was running at the police officer.
I would say that if the police department is detaining journalists (or for that matter anyone) they should have the burden of explaining to the journalist and the public why they ware doing so.
Darren Wilson sounds like a made up name.jerryjamify 1 hour ago
I think much of this is being staged by the government and provocateurs.Maybe even military. In the looting video, the looters on their way out was saying, go go go go, like you hear military do when raiding a house in Iraq. The shooting of Brown may or may not be real it doesn't matter because they are milking it for all its worth to bring in a police state and desensitize the public to accept a military style police force.
Jerome Bettis was about 6 inches shorter than that clown. On top of that, Jerome Bettis had a much lower center of gravity and moved his fat body for a living. This dude is not Jerome Bettis.
Oof. Can't defend this.
You determined all that from just a few seconds of video or a picture? Lots of big men play offensive line, and their pretty nimble.
That cop better be taking a few plays off. I don't think I would trust him carrying a fly swatter right now. Is it a member of the sheriff's department that eventually moves him out? Guy looked like he was having a Nam flashback.
Humans ... amirite?My favorite part about these threads is the folks that 100% dig on one side or the other and refuse to move... no matter WHAT new information comes out.
The thing is, it's not just the media. At least as far as I can tell from twitter and various unverified accounts, this is how they're treating everyone. There are dozens and dozens of vines like that. The media just happen to have more credibility and access to bigger audiences.
If every cop acting like that was forced to take a few days off there would be none left. There's literally dozens of videos like that, maybe hundreds. Here's a nice one of them going after a local alderman. Here's the video of them teargassing a camera crew and dismantling their equipment. I could go on all day if I had time.
In this case there was a video camera which showed Gaynier rush the officer. I'd question whether the officer announced himself as a police officer (as he was off duty) and whether he had alternate devices (stun gun) to subdue Gaynier, but it seems very clean relative to Brown where you have conflicting views and no video (pre-death).
So if they answered, "our investigation showed it was a justifiable shooting".....Do you think that would help or hurt the situation on the ground...Maybe they have a reason to hold back until things settle down a bit....We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes with the investigation and nor should we until it is complete....As a side note, in watching the news/events last night, it appears the media has chosen sides with the protesters and are currently fanning the flames of unrest.Yeah, I should have been clearer. My bad. I meant that the police should be open with whatever documentation they have from Wilson himself (which is public record), that they should be giving regular updates regarding the status of their investigation, that they should answer some of the reasonable questions that the public and the media have regarding the incident and actions taken thereafter. Instead they've circled the wagons; I think that's made things a lot worse (unless they're actually hiding something really awful).
I'm agreeing with you. Tobias was the one you were saying was being ambiguous, correct?
In any case, Tobias has stated his intent.
For a little while I was wondering why the forensics of the Brown shooting were dominating the conversation in this thread when there was a much bigger story going on. Then I tuned in to the 24 hours news networks and they were doing the same exact thing, which obviously explains why that's been the discussion here too. It's bizarre.
I think people who have generally not had any experiences with police officers think more highly of police officers, in general, than people who have had dealings with the police.
I've seen that video before. While he is walking around without clutching his face in pain, that doesn't prove he wasn't injured as he was stated to have been. Also, just because you can't see anything on his face doesn't mean he isn't injured, hell, the same thing can be said about Brown in that same video. You can't see the gunshot to his back that the witnesses claimed. Oh wait, he wasn't shot in the back. Nevermind.This story was reported by Jim Hoft....nuff sed
the cop at the beginning of this video pacing back n forth is Darren Wilson....looks fine to me
The protests really should be over by now, IMHO. Their point re: Michael Brown has been made, and further demonstrations change nothing at all. Starting to smell like Occupy Wall Street.
Agree that these were the calculations that were made within the first 12 hours or so. The Ferguson PD wanted to get the "right" story out ... but it was taking way too long to figure out the spin on a reasonably plausible account. There came a tipping point where they were "taking too long" to get the info out -- at that point, they probably figured a month's delay was as good as a week's delay. So now there's no urgency at all.
I have a feeling the Ferguson PD is going to be hiring soon. Or at least, they should be.
My understanding was that he chased after Brown. That's third person, but at this point, there isn't reason to refute it. I'd also point out that the P.O. either grabbed Brown through the window or Brown went at the P.O. through the car window, so the window was down. He'd have to jump into the car, start it up, lock the doors and raise the window. This is after they just had a physical altercation through that same open window. Alot pointing against going this route.
The Ferguson police haven't had control over the case for some time. Anything released will have to come from the JD or the county.At this point, I doubt we will see anything related directly to the case without the JD approving it
God only knows. I honestly can't remember a situation that has been dealt with this badly in my lifetime. Waco is the only thing that comes close, but that was one really bad decision, whereas this thing seems to be a parade of horrible decisions by a whole bunch of individuals.
Agreed. I'm not sure whether the shooting was justified or not. But regardless, everybody should be able to agree that the police response to mostly-peaceful protests has been a national scandal.
Off-topic, but a lot of cops get cheated on also. Divorce rates are pretty damn high. I'm generalizing, but you take that controlling attitude home and wives want to rebel against it. I've had personal experience with this.
That didn't stop the Trayvon/Zimmerman thread from going 200 pages before things settled in.
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