Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

Dang NYC choke killed any chance this thread had at 250.

Boy, if you needed a reason to be mad at that incident, here it is, right?

Yeah…we really need a "White Cop Murders Black Thug" thread to keep it simple.

 

[Henry Ford]

Dang NYC choke killed any chance this thread had at 250.

Boy, if you needed a reason to be mad at that incident, here it is, right?

Yeahwe really need a "White Cop Murders Black Thug" thread to keep it simple.

Maybe a separate board?

 

[BassNBrew]

Dang NYC choke killed any chance this thread had at 250.

Boy, if you needed a reason to be mad at that incident, here it is, right?

Yeahwe really need a "White Cop Murders Black Thug" thread to keep it simple.

Maybe a separate board?

At the rate we're going it would crush the baseball forum.

 

[parasaurolophus]

As to you last question- protestors would tell you that protests aren't supposed to be convenient. They're supposed to draw attention to the cause. Taking to the streets in significant numbers does that, it lets people know that there are a lot of people out in the streets and they feel passionately about something. It's hardly a major problem- streets are closed for all sorts of reasons all the time- street fairs, accidents, burst water mains, people celebrating a sports victory, whatever. If the police are doing their jobs well they can easily divert traffic, meaning nobody is inconvenienced by more than a couple minutes.

Yeah, I'm guessing the cops aren't that sympathetic to the cause. You know, since it's all about criticizing them. "You guys suck! But, please keep the traffic moving..."

So cops are free from getting their feelings hurt or being criticized? What if they do suck? Should we just not say anything?

I dont understand all of this rage against the protestors (obviously, I am not including the criminals burning and looting). Hard to believe there isnt some racial animosity mixed in there somewhere. Anyone with a little sense understands the scope of this protest and the broader issues, which are about much more than the details of the Michael Brown case.

If you are complaining about "hands up, dont shoot" you are probably very dense and/or very old and white. Do your own self-analysis.

I am not saying you have to agree with the protest, just that it is impossible not to understand it if you live in America.

It is because people think they are disingenuous. You have all these protestors saying hands up, dont shoot and justice for Mike Brown!!! Then you have all sorts of liberals saying it isn't about Mike Brown it is about a bigger cause(from their living rooms of course). Then you have people that are just out to mess stuff up and cause trouble knowing it is highly unlikely they will get arrested. Then you have protestors that get interviewed that sound like the idiots on Leno's jaywalking skit.

 

[TobiasFunke]

You seem to be under the impression that the only people incorporating this gesture into protests are in Ferguson or the St. Louis area. This is not true, not even close. The percentage of hands up, don't shoot protestors who do anything other than engage in peaceful protest is miniscule. Hell, just this one picture from Howard University probably outnumbers the number or protestors who have done anything violent or criminal. If not I'm guessing these images from New York do the job several times over.

I get that this sucks for decent, well-meaning St. Louis residents. It sounds awful, sincerely. You have my sympathy. But what you're experiencing is simply not the same as what 99% of the people who engage in these protests or observe them are experiencing. Those people aren't specifically concerned with Michael Brown, or even the law enforcement reaction to the protests of his case in Ferguson and the media coverage. They're upset about the problem of how law enforcement treats the black community on a much larger scale. That's been the case for quite a while now IMO.

As to you last question- protestors would tell you that protests aren't supposed to be convenient. They're supposed to draw attention to the cause. Closing down roads does that, it lets people know that there are a lot of people out in the streets and they feel passionately about something. It's hardly a major problem- streets are closed for all sorts of reasons all the time. If the police are doing their jobs well they can easily divert traffic, meaning nobody is inconvenienced by more than a couple minutes. \

As for closing down businesses, I don't really know what you're talking about and haven't seen anything to that effect. Sorry.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Again, everywhere, they are buying a lie. A bunch of liberal college kids want to protest, something, anything? Shocking. I was in college in 1990 when the Gulf War broke out. There were protests all over campus with people acting if it were Vietnam all over again.

They closed down malls on Black Friday. They close down streets so people can't get to businesses. Then as of course as you know, they torched plenty of businesses.There has been a mantra to not shop at "white" businesses as if there is some sort of whitey fan club. If there is, I haven't been getting the mailers.

A big complaint is how all of the governing people in Ferguson are white even though there is a large majority of black people that live there. However just 12.5% of black people voted in the last election. Up from 12% in the previous election. It doesn't sound like they want change to me.

Lets cut to the chase, what do you, and these protesters want? What is your solution? Should they conscript black people to be cops? All I hear is a lot of racism and calls for "justice" for Mike Brown. I've yet to hear a single solution offered.

I disagree that they're "buying a lie" for two reasons. One is that whether Brown had his hands up is not a settled matter and never will be. But let's set that aside.

The second reason is that the protestors aren't merely concerned with Mike Brown, they're protesting disparate treatment of black people by law enforcement (not just cops, prosecutors and judges too). And that is definitely not a lie. It's been verified by countless studies, looking at everything from drug arrests after accounting for usage rates, to sentencing for similar crimes, to traffic stops, to shootings of unarmed civilians. Black people don't trust the people tasked with protecting and serving the community, and that lack of trust is 100% justified when you look not just at anecdotal evidence but at statistics that control for socioeconomic factors. And that's a HUGE problem when you think about what it means.

As for what they want? Like all protests, the first thing they want is awareness. There are a lot of people who don't know about the stuff I just described. I just found out last night that my wife didn't know about it, which surprised me until I realized she grew up in an all-white community in upstate NY, doesn't have much interest in domestic social issues, and isn't really a hip hop fan or anything, so there's no reason she'd be aware of it. And if you look through this thread and the Garner one you'll find posters who flat out deny that there's racial discrimination in law enforcement despite overwhelming statistical evidence. Some of those people will obviously bury their heads in the sand no matter what, but protests can make other people, like my wife, aware of the problem. And the more people that know about it, the less often it will happen, because police will know that the public is watching them more carefully.

Beyond that, I don't know what specific changes they'd like. I know what I'd like: (1) equip on-duty police with cameras and tazers to the greatest extent possible; (2) special prosecutors in each state who handle police shooting and other criminal complaints against police so that victims have an advocate who's not closely allied with police; and (3) better pay for cops to compensate them for the increased risks and hassle of this scrutiny and also because increased pay = better candidates.

 

[Doug B]

What are you, the Flash? It only takes you 30 minutes a day to ####?

Tangent:

This makes me think of a really horrible practical joke the Flash could play on people, Imagine -- steaming piles just seeming to appear out of nowhere when Barry Allen is around.

 

[TobiasFunke]

As to you last question- protestors would tell you that protests aren't supposed to be convenient. They're supposed to draw attention to the cause. Taking to the streets in significant numbers does that, it lets people know that there are a lot of people out in the streets and they feel passionately about something. It's hardly a major problem- streets are closed for all sorts of reasons all the time- street fairs, accidents, burst water mains, people celebrating a sports victory, whatever. If the police are doing their jobs well they can easily divert traffic, meaning nobody is inconvenienced by more than a couple minutes.

Yeah, I'm guessing the cops aren't that sympathetic to the cause. You know, since it's all about criticizing them. "You guys suck! But, please keep the traffic moving..."

Well the cops would be serving the interests of the motorists in that situation, not the protestors, so your point is invalid. Also, everyone, especially public servants, has to work for and with people who criticize them. If some cops can't handle that they should find another career.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Stopped for having hands in pocket

Not sure if this was posted - seems to be viral video designed to make the police look bad, but honestly I think the cop here was very professional, and the guy was being a ####.

 

[Parrothead]

Stopped for having hands in pocket

Not sure if this was posted - seems to be viral video designed to make the police look bad, but honestly I think the cop here was very professional, and the guy was being a ####.

going be a lot of cop baiting in the future..

 

[TobiasFunke]

Stopped for having hands in pocket

Not sure if this was posted - seems to be viral video designed to make the police look bad, but honestly I think the cop here was very professional, and the guy was being a ####.

I saw that before- I think the guy was more upset that someone actually called the police on a guy walking around the neighborhood with his hands in his pockets (rightfully so- seems very likely to be racially motivated) than with the actions of the officer.

 

[Henry Ford]

Stopped for having hands in pocket

Not sure if this was posted - seems to be viral video designed to make the police look bad, but honestly I think the cop here was very professional, and the guy was being a ####.

I saw that before- I think the guy was more upset that someone actually called the police on a guy walking around the neighborhood with his hands in his pockets (rightfully so- seems very likely to be racially motivated) than with the actions of the officer.

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Stopped for having hands in pocket

Not sure if this was posted - seems to be viral video designed to make the police look bad, but honestly I think the cop here was very professional, and the guy was being a ####.

I saw that before- I think the guy was more upset that someone actually called the police on a guy walking around the neighborhood with his hands in his pockets (rightfully so- seems very likely to be racially motivated) than with the actions of the officer.

Video does not say if this was even the same guy - but if the store had been robbed 7 times, as alleged, and they saw someone walking back and forth several times in front of the store - I could see their concern. None of that is known, but if true adds to their perspective.

 

[jon_mx]

Damn....i must have accidentally hit follow on this topic. I have 800 frigging messages in my email.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Damn....i must have accidentally hit follow on this topic. I have 800 frigging messages in my email.

Now, you have 801...sorry, 802.

 

[Doug B]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

You seem to be under the impression that the only people incorporating this gesture into protests are in Ferguson or the St. Louis area. This is not true, not even close. The percentage of hands up, don't shoot protestors who do anything other than engage in peaceful protest is miniscule. Hell, just this one picture from Howard University probably outnumbers the number or protestors who have done anything violent or criminal. If not I'm guessing these images from New York do the job several times over.

I get that this sucks for decent, well-meaning St. Louis residents. It sounds awful, sincerely. You have my sympathy. But what you're experiencing is simply not the same as what 99% of the people who engage in these protests or observe them are experiencing. Those people aren't specifically concerned with Michael Brown, or even the law enforcement reaction to the protests of his case in Ferguson and the media coverage. They're upset about the problem of how law enforcement treats the black community on a much larger scale. That's been the case for quite a while now IMO.

As to you last question- protestors would tell you that protests aren't supposed to be convenient. They're supposed to draw attention to the cause. Closing down roads does that, it lets people know that there are a lot of people out in the streets and they feel passionately about something. It's hardly a major problem- streets are closed for all sorts of reasons all the time. If the police are doing their jobs well they can easily divert traffic, meaning nobody is inconvenienced by more than a couple minutes. \

As for closing down businesses, I don't really know what you're talking about and haven't seen anything to that effect. Sorry.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Again, everywhere, they are buying a lie. A bunch of liberal college kids want to protest, something, anything? Shocking. I was in college in 1990 when the Gulf War broke out. There were protests all over campus with people acting if it were Vietnam all over again.

They closed down malls on Black Friday. They close down streets so people can't get to businesses. Then as of course as you know, they torched plenty of businesses.There has been a mantra to not shop at "white" businesses as if there is some sort of whitey fan club. If there is, I haven't been getting the mailers.

A big complaint is how all of the governing people in Ferguson are white even though there is a large majority of black people that live there. However just 12.5% of black people voted in the last election. Up from 12% in the previous election. It doesn't sound like they want change to me.

Lets cut to the chase, what do you, and these protesters want? What is your solution? Should they conscript black people to be cops? All I hear is a lot of racism and calls for "justice" for Mike Brown. I've yet to hear a single solution offered.

I disagree that they're "buying a lie" for two reasons. One is that whether Brown had his hands up is not a settled matter and never will be. But let's set that aside.

The second reason is that the protestors aren't merely concerned with Mike Brown, they're protesting disparate treatment of black people by law enforcement (not just cops, prosecutors and judges too). And that is definitely not a lie. It's been verified by countless studies, looking at everything from drug arrests after accounting for usage rates, to sentencing for similar crimes, to traffic stops, to shootings of unarmed civilians. Black people don't trust the people tasked with protecting and serving the community, and that lack of trust is 100% justified when you look not just at anecdotal evidence but at statistics that control for socioeconomic factors. And that's a HUGE problem when you think about what it means.

As for what they want? Like all protests, the first thing they want is awareness. There are a lot of people who don't know about the stuff I just described. I just found out last night that my wife didn't know about it, which surprised me until I realized she grew up in an all-white community in upstate NY, doesn't have much interest in domestic social issues, and isn't really a hip hop fan or anything, so there's no reason she'd be aware of it. And if you look through this thread and the Garner one you'll find posters who flat out deny that there's racial discrimination in law enforcement despite overwhelming statistical evidence. Some of those people will obviously bury their heads in the sand no matter what, but protests can make other people, like my wife, aware of the problem. And the more people that know about it, the less often it will happen, because police will know that the public is watching them more carefully.

Beyond that, I don't know what specific changes they'd like. I know what I'd like: (1) equip on-duty police with cameras and tazers to the greatest extent possible; (2) special prosecutors in each state who handle police shooting and other criminal complaints against police so that victims have an advocate who's not closely allied with police; and (3) better pay for cops to compensate them for the increased risks and hassle of this scrutiny and also because increased pay = better candidates.

I'm all for these things and I believe the President singed a bill appropriating money for cameras already. As for your wife, I find that seriously shocking. I'm not calling you a liar, it's almost like you telling me she just found out about bacon.

#### like this doesn't help. NSFWL These are the "peaceful" protesters everybody keeps talking about. As long as you aren't actually physically attacking people or burning stuff down, they are "peaceful". Go the the 23 minute mark for confirmation. This guy Tony C lives in my old hood and hangs at the same bar I still go to. I'm not sure how I've never met him. Of course this school was a battlefield when I was growing up. Many a fight and much worse with guys from there.

Here is something good I suggest everybody listen to.

I used to have ball practice at that church when I was a kid and it was my voting place before I moved three years ago. Pastor Brown is my kind man, I wish I would have met him before I moved.

 

[TobiasFunke]

You seem to be under the impression that the only people incorporating this gesture into protests are in Ferguson or the St. Louis area. This is not true, not even close. The percentage of hands up, don't shoot protestors who do anything other than engage in peaceful protest is miniscule. Hell, just this one picture from Howard University probably outnumbers the number or protestors who have done anything violent or criminal. If not I'm guessing these images from New York do the job several times over.

I get that this sucks for decent, well-meaning St. Louis residents. It sounds awful, sincerely. You have my sympathy. But what you're experiencing is simply not the same as what 99% of the people who engage in these protests or observe them are experiencing. Those people aren't specifically concerned with Michael Brown, or even the law enforcement reaction to the protests of his case in Ferguson and the media coverage. They're upset about the problem of how law enforcement treats the black community on a much larger scale. That's been the case for quite a while now IMO.

As to you last question- protestors would tell you that protests aren't supposed to be convenient. They're supposed to draw attention to the cause. Closing down roads does that, it lets people know that there are a lot of people out in the streets and they feel passionately about something. It's hardly a major problem- streets are closed for all sorts of reasons all the time. If the police are doing their jobs well they can easily divert traffic, meaning nobody is inconvenienced by more than a couple minutes. \

As for closing down businesses, I don't really know what you're talking about and haven't seen anything to that effect. Sorry.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Again, everywhere, they are buying a lie. A bunch of liberal college kids want to protest, something, anything? Shocking. I was in college in 1990 when the Gulf War broke out. There were protests all over campus with people acting if it were Vietnam all over again.

They closed down malls on Black Friday. They close down streets so people can't get to businesses. Then as of course as you know, they torched plenty of businesses.There has been a mantra to not shop at "white" businesses as if there is some sort of whitey fan club. If there is, I haven't been getting the mailers.

A big complaint is how all of the governing people in Ferguson are white even though there is a large majority of black people that live there. However just 12.5% of black people voted in the last election. Up from 12% in the previous election. It doesn't sound like they want change to me.

Lets cut to the chase, what do you, and these protesters want? What is your solution? Should they conscript black people to be cops? All I hear is a lot of racism and calls for "justice" for Mike Brown. I've yet to hear a single solution offered.

I disagree that they're "buying a lie" for two reasons. One is that whether Brown had his hands up is not a settled matter and never will be. But let's set that aside.

The second reason is that the protestors aren't merely concerned with Mike Brown, they're protesting disparate treatment of black people by law enforcement (not just cops, prosecutors and judges too). And that is definitely not a lie. It's been verified by countless studies, looking at everything from drug arrests after accounting for usage rates, to sentencing for similar crimes, to traffic stops, to shootings of unarmed civilians. Black people don't trust the people tasked with protecting and serving the community, and that lack of trust is 100% justified when you look not just at anecdotal evidence but at statistics that control for socioeconomic factors. And that's a HUGE problem when you think about what it means.

As for what they want? Like all protests, the first thing they want is awareness. There are a lot of people who don't know about the stuff I just described. I just found out last night that my wife didn't know about it, which surprised me until I realized she grew up in an all-white community in upstate NY, doesn't have much interest in domestic social issues, and isn't really a hip hop fan or anything, so there's no reason she'd be aware of it. And if you look through this thread and the Garner one you'll find posters who flat out deny that there's racial discrimination in law enforcement despite overwhelming statistical evidence. Some of those people will obviously bury their heads in the sand no matter what, but protests can make other people, like my wife, aware of the problem. And the more people that know about it, the less often it will happen, because police will know that the public is watching them more carefully.

Beyond that, I don't know what specific changes they'd like. I know what I'd like: (1) equip on-duty police with cameras and tazers to the greatest extent possible; (2) special prosecutors in each state who handle police shooting and other criminal complaints against police so that victims have an advocate who's not closely allied with police; and (3) better pay for cops to compensate them for the increased risks and hassle of this scrutiny and also because increased pay = better candidates.

I'm all for these things and I believe the President singed a bill appropriating money for cameras already. As for your wife, I find that seriously shocking. I'm not calling you a liar, it's almost like you telling me she just found out about bacon.

#### like this doesn't help. NSFWL These are the "peaceful" protesters everybody keeps talking about. As long as you aren't actually physically attacking people or burning stuff down, they are "peaceful". Go the the 23 minute mark for confirmation. This guy Tony C lives in my old hood and hangs at the same bar I still go to. I'm not sure how I've never met him. Of course this school was a battlefield when I was growing up. Many a fight and much worse with guys from there.

Here is something good I suggest everybody listen to.

I used to have ball practice at that church when I was a kid and it was my voting place before I moved three years ago. Pastor Brown is my kind man, I wish I would have met him before I moved.

Tell me about it. I was in shock.

I think maybe the disconnect here is your St Louis perspective vs. what many of us our seeing elsewhere. Obviously you're seeing very different protests and behavior than we are. Numbers-wise I see large-scale peaceful protests pretty much every night here in DC and in NY and elsewhere, and although I obviously don't like the rioting and looting and hate seeing the businesses destroyed by it, I see that as a teeny tiny sliver of what's going on. Regrettable, of course (if you go back through the thread you'll see I sought out and posted fundraising efforts for those businesses), but still just a small part of the protest efforts. For you that's obviously not the case, and rightfully so.

We have a strict youtube filter so I can't watch the video but I'll check out the audio if I get some time, thanks.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

I remember Harry Lee. He was hardcore.

 

[TobiasFunke]

My conversation with SLB reminded me that I hadn't updated the Ferguson small business fundraising stuff in about two weeks. So I poked around for a couple minutes and found out that people are pretty awesome.

Here's the updated GoFundMe page of the bakery I linked to a couple weeks ago. She's obviously got all the funding she needs at this point so the page now links to other local businesses in need of rebuilding funds. Using the links there is good way to be assured that you're not donating to some scam artist.

You can also search GoFundMe using the 63135 zip code for a list of local businesses and others seeking donations to help them deal with the fallout from the riots/looting.

Here's an article on these fundraising efforts in the Washington Post from a couple days ago that's a nice read.

 

[timschochet]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.

The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

 

[Henry Ford]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.

The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.

Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

 

[timschochet]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.

The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.

Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote.

As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

 

[Henry Ford]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood—I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around—they'll be stopped." - Harry Lee

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.

The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.

Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote.

As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Am I included in this group?

I can't speak about protests in other cities but around here, you know where this all started, 95% of the protests are like the one I linked earlier. They're vulgar and filled with hatred.

 

[jon_mx]

I have bee going around putting my Hands Up saying, 'Don't rob me!" Some how people are offended by this. Don't they get the message of racial harmony that it means?

 

[jon_mx]

I am glad Tim is not over-generalizing. He NEVER does that.

 

[johnnycakes]

I have bee going around putting my Hands Up saying, 'Don't rob me!" Some how people are offended by this. Don't they get the message of racial harmony that it means?

Is it a wasp?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I've got a peaceful protest going on right now where some involved have gotten worked into hysteria and their berating of cops and their showing off for their peers has crossed the line into mild violence. Verbal anger turned to spitting to sign throwing, mild property damage, pushing, and then throwing things at officers. Of course its a continuum. It always is. anybody selling only two possibilities has a stake in one of those possibilities.

I'm off.

 

[squistion]

Protesting And Sports Have Always Mixed

Keith Olbermann

Published on Dec 5, 2014

Those who insist sports and protests such as Michael Brown and Eric Garner should not mix, ignore that they have always been mixed. Keith explains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp9HTfM32ts&feature=youtu.be

 

[Courtjester]

I am all for people expressing their anger and protesting for change--that is frankly what makes this country great that we can do this. What I take exception with is what is going on here in Denver. It is the 3rd straight day of walkouts at the high schools and middle schools. Yes, I said middle schools--so 12-14 year olds leaving class and walking to usually a designated location. The interviews with these kids by the local media was amazing--half of the kids had no idea what they were walking about--most said they just wanted out of school. Then you have some who are spitting on the police cars--you know the same cars that have been dispatched to make sure these kids don't get run down by drivers.

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

And here is the kicker, once they get to the location--they are bussed back to school. Bussed back to schools who will now be telling tax payers they need more money for education, because we had to spend money to pay for the busses.

Further what makes me angry is most of this was organized by teachers within these schools. Listen, if you are an adult go protest, but using your position as a teacher to influence and endanger kids (because it could have very easily been kids that were run down by that car) should be termination worthy. And what about the parents who tell their kids to stay in class and learn? They will be branded as racists at best for not marching, There is absolutely no place for this in middle-high schools.

 

[Wrigley]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood—I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around—they'll be stopped." - Harry Lee

I've been stopped while driving in a predominantly black neighborhood before

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood—I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around—they'll be stopped." - Harry Lee

I've been stopped while driving in a predominantly black neighborhood before

Me too. More than once. One time myself and the couple with us on our way to dinner were detained for over an hour. Three cops cars shined their spotlights on us the whole time. They finally wrote me a ticket for speeding which was bull#### because I looked at my speedometer right before the cop, which I didn't even see since it was dark, pulled me us over. Of course I didn't argue because I was just about to smoke a joint.

 

[Henry Ford]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhoodI'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising aroundthey'll be stopped." - Harry Lee

I've been stopped while driving in a predominantly black neighborhood before

How did that make you feel?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Truth matters. So ####### sad. :(

 

[General Tso]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote. As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Is it dishonest that the core of the protest movement - Mike Brown's family - incited the mob outside the courthouse to "burn this ##### down" on the night of the riots?

 

[Billy Bats]

Further what makes me angry is most of this was organized by teachers within these schools. Listen, if you are an adult go protest, but using your position as a teacher to influence and endanger kids (because it could have very easily been kids that were run down by that car) should be termination worthy. And what about the parents who tell their kids to stay in class and learn? They will be branded as racists at best for not marching, There is absolutely no place for this in middle-high schools.

You're damn right they should be fired. This is a disgrace and I really fear for the future. Not only are most of these kids probably not being taught respect for others at home, now the only hope to teach them morals are using them for protests and reportedly cheering injuries to police. There really is no hope for some of these kids and it's getting worse.

 

[Jim11]

Protesting And Sports Have Always Mixed

Keith Olbermann

Published on Dec 5, 2014

Those who insist sports and protests such as Michael Brown and Eric Garner should not mix, ignore that they have always been mixed. Keith explains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp9HTfM32ts&feature=youtu.be

Olbermann groupie, eh?

 

[Jim11]

Further what makes me angry is most of this was organized by teachers within these schools. Listen, if you are an adult go protest, but using your position as a teacher to influence and endanger kids (because it could have very easily been kids that were run down by that car) should be termination worthy. And what about the parents who tell their kids to stay in class and learn? They will be branded as racists at best for not marching, There is absolutely no place for this in middle-high schools.

You're damn right they should be fired. This is a disgrace and I really fear for the future. Not only are most of these kids probably not being taught respect for others at home, now the only hope to teach them morals are using them for protests and reportedly cheering injuries to police. There really is no hope for some of these kids and it's getting worse.

If I had a school age child right now, he/she wouldn't be going to public school, that's for da*n sure.

 

[timschochet]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote. As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Is it dishonest that the core of the protest movement - Mike Brown's family - incited the mob outside the courthouse to "burn this ##### down" on the night of the riots?

You're talking about the stepdad, right? And the answer is no. I think that idiot was completely honest when he said that.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I'm listening to Winger, and eating sweet peas. How's that for perspective?

 

[Courtjester]

I'm listening to Winger, and eating sweet peas. How's that for perspective?

Oddly enough, just got done listening to Madalaine on You Tube. Kip had an amazing voice....

For some reason, it was an 80's/90's flashback that included White Lion/Cinderella and Great White...ughhh....I miss those days

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.

The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.

Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote.

As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Am I included in this group?

I can't speak about protests in other cities but around here, you know where this all started, 95% of the protests are like the one I linked earlier. They're vulgar and filled with hatred.

Bump. Tell me a little bit about myself, Tim.

 

[General Tso]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote. As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Is it dishonest that the core of the protest movement - Mike Brown's family - incited the mob outside the courthouse to "burn this ##### down" on the night of the riots?

You're talking about the stepdad, right? And the answer is no. I think that idiot was completely honest when he said that.

I think that's why many people equate the riots with the protest movement.

 

[spreagle]

Why are they still protesting, shouldn't they be happy their retirement accounts are up?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

 

[jon_mx]

Nearly every conservative who has posted in this thread has focused on the rioting and looting and attempted to equate it with peaceful protests as if it's all one and the same. Talk about dishonesty- much more than the "hands up don't shoot" thing you guys are all complaining about (and which will never be proven one way or the other) this equating of the peaceful protests with rioting is the most dishonest aspect of this incident.

Is it one or the other, peaceful or rioting? Maybe there is a continuum where lots are in the middle, mindless agitators, those hoping for riots, provocateurs, immature #######s with no life experience or perspective on the world who insist their inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant voice needs be heard. By the time reason, experience, maturity, tolerance, and vision are finally the voices to the fore it may well be that so much damage has been done than matters will be incapable of improvement. for generations. Conflagrations burn without regard to morals or principles.The middle also includes those who thus far are quietly restrained. I wonder what damage is happening to their invaluable restraint right now?

Word for word exactly what I was going to post. Scary.Tim, any particular conservative you are posting about?

Almost all of them in this thread, as I wrote. As regards DW's statement, of course it's one or the other. According to most news reports, something like 95% of all the protests are peaceful and well-organized. The other 5% aren't really protests at all- they're ugly attacks on private property, including arson and looting. Yet many people here treat it all as one and the same. That's the dishonest part.

Is it dishonest that the core of the protest movement - Mike Brown's family - incited the mob outside the courthouse to "burn this ##### down" on the night of the riots?

You're talking about the stepdad, right? And the answer is no. I think that idiot was completely honest when he said that.

I think that's why many people equate the riots with the protest movement.

I think Tim is hallucinating again.

 

[jon_mx]

Of course that really worked for 4 of our police officers who were helping these kids get to their destination on Wednesday when they were struck by a car and one of the officers is critical.

I read that when the crowd saw the car run over the police officers numerous students cheered. It sounds like these students are being taught to view officers as enemy combatants.

Police union: Protesters cheered when car hit officers

Is that wrong if for some Americans police officers act like enemy combatants?

I know my children will have a VERY healthy skepticism and caution towards all law enforcement.

Yes it is wrong to cast as evil a group of people based on the actions of a few, Basically teaching the kids to be racists, except instead of a race it is hatred towards all white cops. They are basically being raised as brown shirts in the brewing race wars. Real classy.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Spotcrime sends me an email with all the calls to police in my area every day. I'm about 90% sure that every "suspicious person" call is just a black guy walking down the street.

IIRC, you're in Lousiana. Are you old enough to remember Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee's policies in the mid- to late-1980s?

Yes. Yes, I am.

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood—I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around—they'll be stopped." - Harry Lee

Whoaoah! A Harry lee quote!

So people know, Harry Lee was a Chinese-American Sheriff of a parish on the border with New Orleans. He (in)famously set up a road block at one road into the parish to watch out for and investigate (or turn away) blacks who were entering "his" parish.