Malcom Floyd (1 Viewer)

[sspunisher]

Just finished watching the Chargers Raiders game, I was focusing on Charger WR rotation to see if Floyd would be worth a pickup in deeper leagues. Seems like he's going to be well worth it. He was only thrown to 4 times, but it seemed like the low targets were due to a mixture of Chambers stealing snaps and Floyd lining up on the left side of the offense against Nnamdi. Not sure if Asomugha always lines up on the left side of the offense but that's what he was doing in this game, I didn't really see him moving around much so often he'd be on Floyd. Chargers usually had VJax on the right side during passing downs, but they'd sneak him on Asomugha's side every now and then during run plays.

Anyway Floyd caught 2 out of his 4 targets. One of the two incompletes was a pass interference on the right sideline by Chris Johnson, probably would have been anywhere from a 10-30 yard catch if not more. I believe it was a back shoulder pass. The other was a somehwat low pass by Rivers on the left sideline that Floyd dove to the ground trying to grab but the safety was all over him.

Add to the fact that the Raiders were nevery really threatening the Chargers, so they were running a good amount. I think with these upcoming solid run defenses on the Chargers schedule Floyd will start to see 5-6 game catches steadily. Especially if the Chargers are playing from behind. Floyd's first catch was Colston-like, he pretty much went up and took it away. I think they play similiar, neither are really speed deep threats, they're more jump ball deep threats.

 

[karmarooster]

i actually picked up Floyd, but i'm being cautious. The main reason to temper your expectations of him is the pecking order in San Diego:

VJax has established himself as a bonafide top 10 WR, and clearly has a connection with Rivers. Basically everything Floyd can do, Jackson can do better. On pace for 85/1500/11.
Gates is having a better season that the past few years and appears fully healthy. On pace for 85/1200/5.
Tomlinson is looking mildly sufficient running, and on pace for 16 receptions.
Sproles is on pace for 46 receptions as mostly 3RB.How much does that leave for Floyd? Sure, he may see a slight uptick in targets due to the release of Chambers... so maybe 6 targets per game instead of 4?

I think the best case scenario would be something like Michael Jenkins down the stretch last year. He had a several game stretch after the bye when he caught 3-6 passes for 50-85 yards in 9 out of 10 games. 2 TDs came in one game. Maybe Floyd can spread the TDs out and catch 3 or 4.

What does that leave you with? A very average WR3 in PPR leagues, a good bet for around 9-12 points, with the occasional TD. certainly worth a pickup in 12 team leagues that start 3 WR, and a nice injury backup.

Anyone see reason for more optimism?

 

[Black]

I think we have an Indy type situation, with VJax being the Wayne, Floyd being the Garcon, and Naanee being the Collie. Plus you do have the passes to Gates and what they should be giving Sproles out of the backfield. They are trying to run, but are far from a run-first team now.

I love Floyd, he's huge, but not as fast as VJax (or versitile?) from what I have read. VJax is huge and fast, just finally got his catching skills to match. Naanee might be interesting for PPR.

I don't think Floyd will put up 8-10 catches a game, but he has the skills and offense to be a 5 catch/game guy, big play guy, couple of TDs possible any week.

 

[Love to Bet football]

I just picked him up...hope he puts up good #'s as i need help from WR position

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Anyone see reason for more optimism?

I love the Colston compare - that's who Floyd looked like to me way back in 2005 when he torched the Bengals. I have been waiting for his arrival for a long time, and it's finally here.Floyd is not a precise route runner with sudden breaks that you can cut yourself on in his routes, but his specialties are fantasy friendly - the deep ball and the red zone.Remember that Floyd had 27/465/4 on only 37 targets last year. I defy you to find another somewhat unknown fantasy receiver who was so productive per target. With full-time snaps, he should be a high-upside WR3 who ping-pongs between games like last week and 4/100/1 performances. Factors in his favor include trust and a very long history playing and producing with Philip Rivers, the Chargers inability to run the ball, and the Chargers soft defense forcing them into more high-scoring games. Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Titans/Bengals/Broncos all seem like games that will be pass-heavy for the Chargers, and the Browns/Chiefs games could be good because the TDs should come easily.

 

[sspunisher]

I agree with Sig. It'd be ridiculous to expect 7-8 catches a game from Floyd but I think he can get you 10 points a game in PPR leagues just because of how he plays. He'll get that TD every now and then and he could see 2 or 3 huge games this year if defenses focus on VJax and Gates.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Anyone see reason for more optimism?

I love the Colston compare - that's who Floyd looked like to me way back in 2005 when he torched the Bengals. I have been waiting for his arrival for a long time, and it's finally here.Floyd is not a precise route runner with sudden breaks that you can cut yourself on in his routes, but his specialties are fantasy friendly - the deep ball and the red zone.Remember that Floyd had 27/465/4 on only 37 targets last year. I defy you to find another somewhat unknown fantasy receiver who was so productive per target. With full-time snaps, he should be a high-upside WR3 who ping-pongs between games like last week and 4/100/1 performances. Factors in his favor include trust and a very long history playing and producing with Philip Rivers, the Chargers inability to run the ball, and the Chargers soft defense forcing them into more high-scoring games. Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Titans/Bengals/Broncos all seem like games that will be pass-heavy for the Chargers, and the Browns/Chiefs games could be good because the TDs should come easily.

I traded for Floyd in a couple of leagues, but I still think Naanee has more upside. Plus Floyd isn't a spring chicken anymore. He will turn 29 when the 2010 season starts.

 

[Tau837]

Anyone see reason for more optimism?

I love the Colston compare - that's who Floyd looked like to me way back in 2005 when he torched the Bengals. I have been waiting for his arrival for a long time, and it's finally here.Floyd is not a precise route runner with sudden breaks that you can cut yourself on in his routes, but his specialties are fantasy friendly - the deep ball and the red zone.

Remember that Floyd had 27/465/4 on only 37 targets last year. I defy you to find another somewhat unknown fantasy receiver who was so productive per target. With full-time snaps, he should be a high-upside WR3 who ping-pongs between games like last week and 4/100/1 performances.

Factors in his favor include trust and a very long history playing and producing with Philip Rivers, the Chargers inability to run the ball, and the Chargers soft defense forcing them into more high-scoring games. Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Titans/Bengals/Broncos all seem like games that will be pass-heavy for the Chargers, and the Browns/Chiefs games could be good because the TDs should come easily.

Also, for those who have compared him to Jackson, consider:

Floyd is 6'5" like Jackson.
At ESPN, Jackson is shown at 230 lbs and Floyd at 225 lbs.
Prior to being drafted in 2005, Jackson ran a 4.38 and had a 39 inch vertical leap; prior to being drafted in 2004, Floyd ran a 4.44 and had a 38 inch vertical leap.
Floyd is 16 months older than Jackson.I'm not suggesting Floyd is going to threaten Jackson's role as the #1 WR in San Diego, but there isn't that much that separates them physically. I think Floyd has a lot of potential upside, as I've been saying since last season.

 

[Tau837]

I traded for Floyd in a couple of leagues, but I still think Naanee has more upside. Plus Floyd isn't a spring chicken anymore. He will turn 29 when the 2010 season starts.

There is no basis for this. 29 isn't old for a WR, so I don't think that is much of a factor.

 

[Tau837]

And by the way, it's Malcom Floyd.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I traded for Floyd in a couple of leagues, but I still think Naanee has more upside. Plus Floyd isn't a spring chicken anymore. He will turn 29 when the 2010 season starts.

There is no basis for this. 29 isn't old for a WR, so I don't think that is much of a factor.

He's a lot faster, he also has great size, he has good hands, and he's younger.

 

[Tau837]

I traded for Floyd in a couple of leagues, but I still think Naanee has more upside. Plus Floyd isn't a spring chicken anymore. He will turn 29 when the 2010 season starts.

There is no basis for this. 29 isn't old for a WR, so I don't think that is much of a factor.

He's a lot faster, he also has great size, he has good hands, and he's younger.

1. Naanee is 6'2" and 220 lbs. Floyd is 6'5" and 230 lbs. Naanee has good size, but not as good as Floyd's.2. At their respective combines, Naanee ran a 4.41 40, compared to a 4.44 for Floyd. But Floyd ran a faster 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill. Naanee is certainly not "a lot faster." I'd call this a wash.

3. Both of them have great hands, but Floyd's are better. He is known for having great hands and great body control.

If anything, the items above favor Floyd. And, of course, there is the small matter that Floyd has produced much better on field results.

The only thing you've got is that Naanee is two years younger. But Floyd is at a prime age for WRs, so I don't think that will matter, at least not until 2012 at the earliest.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I traded for Floyd in a couple of leagues, but I still think Naanee has more upside. Plus Floyd isn't a spring chicken anymore. He will turn 29 when the 2010 season starts.

There is no basis for this. 29 isn't old for a WR, so I don't think that is much of a factor.

He's a lot faster, he also has great size, he has good hands, and he's younger.

1. Naanee is 6'2" and 220 lbs. Floyd is 6'5" and 230 lbs. Naanee has good size, but not as good as Floyd's.2. At their respective combines, Naanee ran a 4.41 40, compared to a 4.44 for Floyd. But Floyd ran a faster 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill. Naanee is certainly not "a lot faster." I'd call this a wash.

3. Both of them have great hands, but Floyd's are better. He is known for having great hands and great body control.

If anything, the items above favor Floyd. And, of course, there is the small matter that Floyd has produced much better on field results.

The only thing you've got is that Naanee is two years younger. But Floyd is at a prime age for WRs, so I don't think that will matter, at least not until 2012 at the earliest.

Given their comparisons and IMO you're making light of the speed diff, I like Naanee long term better than Floyd. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Tau837]

IMO you're making light of the speed diff

I posted their 40 times. You think I'm "making light" of a 0.03 second difference in their 40 times, as if that is a huge difference?

We can agree to disagree.

Agreed.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

IMO you're making light of the speed diff

I posted their 40 times. You think I'm "making light" of a 0.03 second difference in their 40 times, as if that is a huge difference?

We can agree to disagree.

Agreed.

It's not that I'm against Floyd, hell, I traded for him in 3 leagues. I just hope Naanee gets his chance to start in the next year or so. If not with SD, somewhere else.

 

[hauser42]

Floyd's value is in the redzone. Gates, Jackson, and Floyd are very hard to cover as all three can win jump balls very easily.

I picked Floyd and dumped K. Burton in my total points lead. In 2nd place with Wayne, Colson, Ochocinco and Sims Walker on my roster. 1st place guy is looking for a WR, and I played the block game.

 

[gheemony]

Anyone see reason for more optimism?

I love the Colston compare - that's who Floyd looked like to me way back in 2005 when he torched the Bengals. I have been waiting for his arrival for a long time, and it's finally here.Floyd is not a precise route runner with sudden breaks that you can cut yourself on in his routes, but his specialties are fantasy friendly - the deep ball and the red zone.Remember that Floyd had 27/465/4 on only 37 targets last year. I defy you to find another somewhat unknown fantasy receiver who was so productive per target. With full-time snaps, he should be a high-upside WR3 who ping-pongs between games like last week and 4/100/1 performances. Factors in his favor include trust and a very long history playing and producing with Philip Rivers, the Chargers inability to run the ball, and the Chargers soft defense forcing them into more high-scoring games. Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Titans/Bengals/Broncos all seem like games that will be pass-heavy for the Chargers, and the Browns/Chiefs games could be good because the TDs should come easily.

Check out Miles Austin per touch.

 

[kerpow]

And by the way, it's Malcom Floyd.

Yes, it is Malcom Floyd. How could anyone possibly confuse him with his brother - Malcolm Floyd - who was also a Wide Receiver in the NFL?

 

[SCT]

And by the way, it's Malcom Floyd.

Yes, it is Malcom Floyd. How could anyone possibly confuse him with his brother - Malcolm Floyd - who was also a Wide Receiver in the NFL?

 

[TheWheel]

What do you guys rate him fantasywise going forward? All these things you said are good but I want to know whether these things are going to translate to the game.

PS. His age is misleading. He has very low mileage for his age.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What do you guys rate him fantasywise going forward? All these things you said are good but I want to know whether these things are going to translate to the game.

PS. His age is misleading. He has very low mileage for his age.

Low mileage means nothing for WRs(this is not the same for RBs), but as other like to point out to me 29 isn't old for a WR either. I agree with that, but it is closing in on older

 

[Tau837]

What do you guys rate him fantasywise going forward? All these things you said are good but I want to know whether these things are going to translate to the game.

PS. His age is misleading. He has very low mileage for his age.

Last year, Floyd emerged with a role in week 6. From that point until he was hurt in week 15, he was the 26th highest scoring WR (FBG scoring) in the league. It seems he certainly has the potential to be that good again, and he could be better if the Chargers are passing more often and/or if he improves with more playing time.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

dropped do nothing Roy Williams for him...looking forward to seeing what happens with Floyd

 

[Mr. Retukes]

And by the way, it's Malcom Floyd.

Yes, it is Malcom Floyd. How could anyone possibly confuse him with his brother - Malcolm Floyd - who was also a Wide Receiver in the NFL?

I thought you were joking when you said "brother". Do they have another brother named Malcum?

 

[JohnnyU]

9 receptions in 4 games isn't exactly lighting it up. Is he not getting separation? He's been a flop since taking over as a starter. Maybe it's time to give Naanee a shot.

 

[munygon2]

I've been very disappointed with him in my starting lineup. All the talk about a big tall WR with good hands and lining up opposite of VJ. Seems like Rivers likes to throw more to the backups and the TE.

 

[Kree]

To be fair, it will ALWAYS be VJax/Gates as the one-two, not to mention the RBs. Naanee and Floyd sort of share the WR2 duties (Which are more like WR3 duties), depending on the situation.

I think it was fallacious to ever expect him to get too many receptions a game, so if you plug him in you had better hope he does something with the 2-3 he will get.

 

[Gr00vus]

9 receptions in 4 games isn't exactly lighting it up. Is he not getting separation? He's been a flop since taking over as a starter. Maybe it's time to give Naanee a shot.

He's doing fine as a starter.Charger fans have been telling everyone what to expect all year long. #2 and #3 WR get the leftovers on this team - a couple of targets a game. Doesn't matter if it's Chambers, Floyd, Naanee, whoever. Maybe that'll change in a year or two.

 

[JohnnyU]

9 receptions in 4 games isn't exactly lighting it up. Is he not getting separation? He's been a flop since taking over as a starter. Maybe it's time to give Naanee a shot.

He's doing fine as a starter.Charger fans have been telling everyone what to expect all year long. #2 and #3 WR get the leftovers on this team - a couple of targets a game. Doesn't matter if it's Chambers, Floyd, Naanee, whoever. Maybe that'll change in a year or two.

Doing fine? Hardly.

 

[Gr00vus]

Doing fine? Hardly.

Yes, he's doing fine. You seem to have a big problem differentiating between real life football and fantasy football. In real life football Floyd is doing exactly what the Chargers expected.

 

[Tau837]

9 receptions in 4 games isn't exactly lighting it up. Is he not getting separation? He's been a flop since taking over as a starter. Maybe it's time to give Naanee a shot.

Over the same 4 games, the defense has only given up 66 points. And the most points they gave up over that span was to Philly this week, but they were comfortably ahead all game. As a result, Rivers' attempts are down over those 4 games... he has attempted just 29 passes per game.Floyd has been targeted 17 times over that span, not including a couple pass interference penalties he has drawn. That is a similar target rate to what he got last season, when he was the 26th best fantasy WR over a 9 game stretch (see my previous post)... he had 37 targets over those 9 games.I expect he'll have some better games that will help his numbers. But that doesn't mean he is a safe start week in, week out, unless someone else like VJax, Gates, Tomlinson, Sproles, or Naanee gets hurt.