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A child endangerment charge may be warranted.I guess the mom has a beat down coming?
A child endangerment charge may be warranted.I guess the mom has a beat down coming?
"People" and "emotionally-driven" kind of go together like peanut butter and jelly.We shouldn't allow emotionally-driven people to have a license to kill.
Maybe.A child endangerment charge may be warranted.
I don't think anyone in this thread has attempted to justify a mob beating a man to death. The discussions has centered on the father who caught up to the guy. It could very well be that the father beat up the kidnapper but didn't kill him, and it was the mob that caused the death. We really need more facts to come to light before we can reach an informed conclusion.Maybe.
But, if someone can justify a mob beating a man to death for stealing a car with kids inside, then why can't they justify physical justice against the mother.
I guess she will get her day in court. Due process and all that.
We shouldn't let ivory tower dwelling robots deem what society is and isn't in terms of a case such of this that includes only a few of said society. Keep looking at it from a societal macro view and you never see what really happens to people, only what you wish would happen in the real world. The problem is, people like that, don't know what the real world is.We shouldn't allow emotionally-driven people to have a license to kill.
If you want to take the law into your own hands, that's your prerogative. But you should be fully prepared, if not willing, to accept the consequences of your actions.
The dude stole a car. I doubt he had the least idea that there were kids inside. Car theft is not a death penalty offense.Yeah it was dumb on their part but the dead guy did commit multiple felonies despite the victims stupidity.
Does the father know that? Or does the father know he may never see his kids again? Empathy down?The dude stole a car. I doubt he had the least idea that there were kids inside. Car theft is not a death penalty offense.
I figure the law varies from state to state. But once no one's life is in danger, action after that point is likely murder.I'm in the vast minority but this sounds like manslaughter to me
None of what the thief did is remotely a death penalty offense.The dude stole a car. I doubt he had the least idea that there were kids inside. Car theft is not a death penalty offense.
The car was RUNNING. The kids were in it. Car theft is pretty common. Kidnappers cruising town looking for cars with kids inside, not so much. If you care that much for your kids, take better care of them. Every time this happens in Houston, the Chief of Police tells people this. But there's just no accounting for stupid.Does the father know that? Or does the father know he may never see his kids again? Empathy down?
Or the bagel shop guy?Will be interesting to hear more about these bystanders that jumped in. Maybe its the dude from Disneyland
You must not have kids if you don’t think someone can tell there are three young ones in the car.The dude stole a car. I doubt he had the least idea that there were kids inside. Car theft is not a death penalty offense.
The dad or the thief?None of what the guy did is remotely a death penalty offense.
Agree.I don't think anyone in this thread has attempted to justify a mob beating a man to death. The discussions has centered on the father who caught up to the guy. It could very well be that the father beat up the kidnapper but didn't kill him, and it was the mob that caused the death. We really need more facts to come to light before we can reach an informed conclusion.
According to officials, Hood had at least 24 prior arrests and convictions.
I think the dad did us all a favor.
Damn, I was actually intending on clearly identifying who I was talking about but that obviously wasn't the case. The thief.The dad or the thief?
Going to be hard to pinpoint this on anyone unless they have CCTV footage like all the Netflix crime shows"They were able to pull this car thief out of the vehicle. He fled on foot about a half a block. And the boyfriend caught up to him and there was some sort of physical struggle that ensued," said Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small.
Hood managed to break free from the father, and continued to flee across 29th Street. That's when, police say, a crowd gathered around Hood and forced him to the ground.
The crowd allegedly kicked and punched Hood until the arrival of responding police officers.
I guess that's why no one ever leaves their kids in the car on hot days.You must not have kids if you don’t think someone can tell there are three young ones in the car.
Has that ever happened to three kids simultaneously? A lot easier to keep one kid in a car asleep and quiet than it is three.I guess that's why no one ever leaves their kids in the car on hot days.
It was a Hyundai sedan - with three kid seats in it. I'm not sure how how you wouldn't know that three kids were in the car. It's not like it was a suburban or something.The dude stole a car. I doubt he had the least idea that there were kids inside. Car theft is not a death penalty offense.
There was a traffic jam. Didn't you read the article?About an hour after the carjacking occurred, emergency services arrived on the scene - from the foxnews article. AN HOUR?
What about the bystanders that jumped in to stomp some face?Why didn't the father think of all those rational and logical arguments when he was running after a moving car with his children inside and all sorts of fears and thoughts of paranoia running through his head? Maybe he should've pulled that man from the car and politely asked his intentions. Was he just looking to steal a car, or does he have a thing for little kids? Once the father weighed the answers and posed follow up questions, then he should've called his pastor to ask what he should do along with two character references the car thief/kidnapper provides. That's what we should all do as a society.
Or maybe, get out of your ivory tower and realize there is so much more going on in this situation than what we should or shouldn't be as a society. Because as a father, had someone stolen a car with my kids in it and I had caught him...
been to Philly lately?What about the role the other bystanders played in beating the thief to death? What was the emotional drive for their actions?
The article doesn't give us a breakdown of what role they played.
Could have used them at Disneyland.What about the bystanders that jumped in to stomp some face?
Yes, because making a dumb mistake means you aren’t concerned about your kids.The only reason those kids were in danger was that those morons left them in the car with it running. Trying to pretend concern afterwards is a bit much.
They may have been former Disney security.About an hour after the carjacking occurred, emergency services arrived on the scene - from the foxnews article. AN HOUR?
Agree - from what I can tell from the article it wasn’t really an intentional abduction by the guy but either way I’m not convicting those folks. Doubt I would do the same but who knows how you react in that situation and with your adrenaline going. If that guy didn’t intend to kidnap them then that’s a tough break but don’t steal cars and you won’t find you self in the situation.If someone abducts my children, I have no idea whether the result will be non-lethal.
Interesting point and I tend to agree - I do doubt the guy was attempting to kidnap them unless more details come out but it’s hard to feel sorry for him.You must not have kids if you don’t think someone can tell there are three young ones in the car.
Plus, the article doesn’t say the thief stopped when he noticed the kids in the car. The thief only stopped due to traffic at a red light. As soon as he realized there were kids in the car, which is fair to assume he did notice at some point, then it’s kidnapping.
I’ve never stolen a car or planned a car robbery but I’m assuming if I decide to steal one and there’s one on the street running that I’m getting in fast and taking off. I’m probably not looking in the backseat first. I definitely could see a scenario where he gets a block away before realizing it.It was a Hyundai sedan - with three kid seats in it. I'm not sure how how you wouldn't know that three kids were in the car. It's not like it was a suburban or something.
Completely agree with you. Very few car thieves intend to kidnap, but once they realize someone is in the car and they continue nonetheless that meets the criminal elements of kidnapping.Interesting point and I tend to agree - I do doubt the guy was attempting to kidnap them unless more details come out but it’s hard to feel sorry for him.
He didn’t jump out of the car and run. According to the article, Dad pulled him out of the car.While I have zero sympathy for the car thief. Once he got out of the car and ran who was then watching the kids? Shouldn't the dad be more concerned?
According to another article that had police quotes, the thief ran about a half block when the dad caught him.He didn’t jump out of the car and run. According to the article, Dad pulled him out of the car.
Which leads to this:According to another article that had police quotes, the thief ran about a half block when the dad caught him.
Maybe the mother stayed with the children.While I have zero sympathy for the car thief. Once he got out of the car and ran who was then watching the kids? Shouldn't the dad be more concerned?
Ah, okay. I was just going from the original article. That’s an important fact with respect to whether the Dad should be charged.According to another article that had police quotes, the thief ran about a half block when the dad caught him.
Doubtful. Look how this all got started.Which leads to this:
Maybe the mother stayed with the children.
We should really set up some wagering on how this is all going to go down.Ah, okay. I was just going from the original article. That’s an important fact with respect to whether the Dad should be charged.
I have an ideaIf someone abducts my children, I have no idea whether the result will be non-lethal.
I don't think it's always so clear, as the line between ###-whupping and death is razor thin. Moreover, why are we certain the death of the perpetrator was the result of the dad's blows?That's really exactly what I was thinking, too. That if he was armed he'd actually have more of an excuse than in beating the guy to death.