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Should the US adopt Mandatory Voting?

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Obama floats idea of Mandatory Voting

While discussing money in politics on Wednesday, President Obama broached a topic normally confined to academic circles: A law requiring people to vote.

"In Australia, and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said while taking questions at the City Club of Cleveland. "It would be transformative if everybody voted. That would counteract money more than anything."

Over the years, a variety of political scientists have mused on the idea of requiring people to vote, citing the consistently poor turnout in U.S. elections. Critics have questioned the practicality of passing and enforcing such a requirement; others say that freedom also means the freedom not to do something.

As Obama noted, however, other countries to do have mandatory voting laws.

In addition to Australia, the Associated Press reported that "at least two dozen countries have some form of compulsory voting, including Belgium, Brazil and Argentina. In many systems, absconders must provide a valid excuse or face a fine, although a few countries have laws on the books that allow for potential imprisonment."

During his Cleveland remarks, Obama noted that many young people, minorities, and low income workers tend not to vote, and that some lawmakers want to discourage them from doing so.

Getting more people to vote would "completely change the political map in this country," Obama said.

"Less than 37% of eligible voters cast ballots in the 2014 midterms, according to the United States Election Project. And a Pew Research Center study found that those avoiding the polls in 2014 tended to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse."
I currently don't vote and have virtually zero interest in politics. That said, I'd actually be in favor of this and would feel that my vote mattered more than it currently does and would actually do my own research prior to voting. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's how I feel for some reason. I guess a big reason is that since I currently don't follow politics at all, I'm not a "good voter" and having it required would force me to become an educated voter.

I would only support this if there was a mandatory fine for not voting and would be strongly against any kind of prison time. You should also have the option of filling in a blank vote if you desire.

 
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There is no valid reason I can think of for this type of requirement.
From the wikis:

Arguments for[edit]Supporters of compulsory voting generally look upon voter participation as a civic duty, similar to taxation, jury duty, compulsory education or military service; one of the 'duties to community' mentioned in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.[4] They believe that by introducing an obligation to vote, it helps to overcome the occasional inconvenience that voting imposes on an individual in order to produce governments with more stability, legitimacy and a genuine mandate to govern, which in turn benefits that individual even if their preferred candidate or party isn't elected into power.

Compulsory voting systems can confer a high degree of political legitimacy because they result in high voter turnout.[5] The victorious candidate represents a majority of the population, not just the politically motivated individuals who would vote without compulsion.[6]

Compulsory voting also prevents disenfranchisement of the socially disadvantaged. In a similar way that the secret ballot is designed to prevent interference with the votes actually cast, compelling voters to the polls for an election reduces the impact that external factors may have on an individual's capacity to vote such as the weather, transport, or restrictive employers. If everybody must vote, restrictions on voting are easily identified and steps are taken to remove them. Countries with compulsory voting generally hold elections on a Saturday or Sunday to ensure that working people can fulfill their duty to cast their vote. Postal and pre-poll voting is provided to people who cannot vote on polling day, and mobile voting booths may also be taken to old age homes, hospitals and remote communities to cater for immobilized citizens.

If voters do not want to support any given choice, they may cast spoilt votes or blank votes. According to compulsory voting supporters, this is preferred to not voting at all because it ensures there is no possibility that the person has been intimidated or prevented from voting should they wish. In certain jurisdictions, voters have the option to vote none of the above if they do not support any of the candidates to indicate clear dissatisfaction with the candidate list rather than simple apathy at the whole process.

Another perceived benefit of the large turnout produced by compulsory voting is that it becomes more difficult for extremist or special interest groups to get themselves into power or to influence mainstream candidates. Under a non-compulsory voting system, if fewer people vote then it is easier for lobby groups to motivate a small section of the people to the polls and influence the outcome of the political process. The outcome of an election where voting is compulsory reflects more of the will of the people (Who do I want to lead the country?) rather than reflecting who was more able to convince people to take time out of their day to cast a vote (Do I even want to vote today?).

Other advantages to compulsory voting are the stimulation of broader interest politics, as a sort of civil education and political stimulation, which creates a better informed population. Also, since campaign funds are not needed to goad voters to the polls, the role of money in politics decreases. High levels of participation decreases the risk of political instability created by crises or charismatic but sectionally focused demagogues.[6]

There is also a correlation between compulsory voting, when enforced strictly, and improved income distribution, as measured by the Gini coefficient and the bottom income quintiles of the population.[7]
 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.

 
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Obama floats idea of Mandatory Voting

While discussing money in politics on Wednesday, President Obama broached a topic normally confined to academic circles: A law requiring people to vote.

"In Australia, and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said while taking questions at the City Club of Cleveland. "It would be transformative if everybody voted. That would counteract money more than anything."

Over the years, a variety of political scientists have mused on the idea of requiring people to vote, citing the consistently poor turnout in U.S. elections. Critics have questioned the practicality of passing and enforcing such a requirement; others say that freedom also means the freedom not to do something.

As Obama noted, however, other countries to do have mandatory voting laws.

In addition to Australia, the Associated Press reported that "at least two dozen countries have some form of compulsory voting, including Belgium, Brazil and Argentina. In many systems, absconders must provide a valid excuse or face a fine, although a few countries have laws on the books that allow for potential imprisonment."

During his Cleveland remarks, Obama noted that many young people, minorities, and low income workers tend not to vote, and that some lawmakers want to discourage them from doing so.

Getting more people to vote would "completely change the political map in this country," Obama said.

"Less than 37% of eligible voters cast ballots in the 2014 midterms, according to the United States Election Project. And a Pew Research Center study found that those avoiding the polls in 2014 tended to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse."
I currently don't vote and have virtually zero interest in politics. That said, I'd actually be in favor of this and would feel that my vote mattered more than it currently does and would actually do my own research prior to voting. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's how I feel for some reason. I guess a big reason is that since I currently don't follow politics at all, I'm not a "good voter" and having it required would force me to become an educated voter.

I would only support this if there was a mandatory fine for not voting and would be strongly against any kind of prison time. You should also have the option of filling in a blank vote if you desire.
What if you refuse to pay the fine, gian?

FTR: I voted all caps, of course

 
Obama floats idea of Mandatory Voting

While discussing money in politics on Wednesday, President Obama broached a topic normally confined to academic circles: A law requiring people to vote.

"In Australia, and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said while taking questions at the City Club of Cleveland. "It would be transformative if everybody voted. That would counteract money more than anything."

Over the years, a variety of political scientists have mused on the idea of requiring people to vote, citing the consistently poor turnout in U.S. elections. Critics have questioned the practicality of passing and enforcing such a requirement; others say that freedom also means the freedom not to do something.

As Obama noted, however, other countries to do have mandatory voting laws.

In addition to Australia, the Associated Press reported that "at least two dozen countries have some form of compulsory voting, including Belgium, Brazil and Argentina. In many systems, absconders must provide a valid excuse or face a fine, although a few countries have laws on the books that allow for potential imprisonment."

During his Cleveland remarks, Obama noted that many young people, minorities, and low income workers tend not to vote, and that some lawmakers want to discourage them from doing so.

Getting more people to vote would "completely change the political map in this country," Obama said.

"Less than 37% of eligible voters cast ballots in the 2014 midterms, according to the United States Election Project. And a Pew Research Center study found that those avoiding the polls in 2014 tended to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse."
I currently don't vote and have virtually zero interest in politics. That said, I'd actually be in favor of this and would feel that my vote mattered more than it currently does and would actually do my own research prior to voting. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's how I feel for some reason. I guess a big reason is that since I currently don't follow politics at all, I'm not a "good voter" and having it required would force me to become an educated voter.

I would only support this if there was a mandatory fine for not voting and would be strongly against any kind of prison time. You should also have the option of filling in a blank vote if you desire.
What if you refuse to pay the fine, again?
double secret probation

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
If your mom had to vote for NFL MVP, do you think she would just cast her vote randomly? Or would she talk to you and other people she knows about who she should vote for?

I'm a big fan of mandatory voting, for what it's worth.

 
I'd still like to be able to express my disinterest at both of the major parties by not voting.

I'd like a None Of The Above option for each office though and if it wins the office is not filled for that term.

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?

 
Obama floats idea of Mandatory Voting

While discussing money in politics on Wednesday, President Obama broached a topic normally confined to academic circles: A law requiring people to vote.

"In Australia, and some other countries, there's mandatory voting," Obama said while taking questions at the City Club of Cleveland. "It would be transformative if everybody voted. That would counteract money more than anything."

Over the years, a variety of political scientists have mused on the idea of requiring people to vote, citing the consistently poor turnout in U.S. elections. Critics have questioned the practicality of passing and enforcing such a requirement; others say that freedom also means the freedom not to do something.

As Obama noted, however, other countries to do have mandatory voting laws.

In addition to Australia, the Associated Press reported that "at least two dozen countries have some form of compulsory voting, including Belgium, Brazil and Argentina. In many systems, absconders must provide a valid excuse or face a fine, although a few countries have laws on the books that allow for potential imprisonment."

During his Cleveland remarks, Obama noted that many young people, minorities, and low income workers tend not to vote, and that some lawmakers want to discourage them from doing so.

Getting more people to vote would "completely change the political map in this country," Obama said.

"Less than 37% of eligible voters cast ballots in the 2014 midterms, according to the United States Election Project. And a Pew Research Center study found that those avoiding the polls in 2014 tended to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse."
I currently don't vote and have virtually zero interest in politics. That said, I'd actually be in favor of this and would feel that my vote mattered more than it currently does and would actually do my own research prior to voting. I know that doesn't make much sense, but it's how I feel for some reason. I guess a big reason is that since I currently don't follow politics at all, I'm not a "good voter" and having it required would force me to become an educated voter.

I would only support this if there was a mandatory fine for not voting and would be strongly against any kind of prison time. You should also have the option of filling in a blank vote if you desire.
What if you refuse to pay the fine, gian?

FTR: I voted all caps, of course
Same thing if I don't pay other govt mandated fines/taxes. And yes, I know that prison time could be a consequence of that but that's a completely different argument.

Same way I expect to receive a fine if I'm speeding and not just be hauled off to jail for it even though I understand that there may be more severe consequences (including jail time) if I don't pay my speeding ticket.

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
If you're worried that they're less educated, maybe try educating them?

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
For the record, I think that the Reps would do something similar if it upped their election chances.

 
We should also force people to volunteer. Maybe make a camp or something. They'd have to work themselves back to freedom. Then they'd understand how much freedom they are granted on a given day.

 
I don't hate the idea, but I would only support it if there was also a mandatory null-vote/none-of-the-above on the ballot.

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
If your mom had to vote for NFL MVP, do you think she would just cast her vote randomly? Or would she talk to you and other people she knows about who she should vote for?

I'm a big fan of mandatory voting, for what it's worth.
Exactly. I would expect it would serve to get people involved in dialogue about politics. Even if we're not talking about Harvard debate discourses, no chance that most people aren't at least having casual discussions and listening to various opinions if this is in place.

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
If you're worried that they're less educated, maybe try educating them?
Im not a teacher. :shrug:
I didn't mean you specifically had to educate them. I mean people who think that uneducated people tend to vote for Democrats, and believe that to be a problem.

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
If your mom had to vote for NFL MVP, do you think she would just cast her vote randomly? Or would she talk to you and other people she knows about who she should vote for?

I'm a big fan of mandatory voting, for what it's worth.
Exactly. I would expect it would serve to get people involved in dialogue about politics. Even if we're not talking about Harvard debate discourses, no chance that most people aren't at least having casual discussions and listening to various opinions if this is in place.
Tell your girlfriend/wife who doesn't care about sports that she has to vote for NFL MVP or fill out a March Madness bracket and let me know how much research she does.

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
If your mom had to vote for NFL MVP, do you think she would just cast her vote randomly? Or would she talk to you and other people she knows about who she should vote for?

I'm a big fan of mandatory voting, for what it's worth.
Exactly. I would expect it would serve to get people involved in dialogue about politics. Even if we're not talking about Harvard debate discourses, no chance that most people aren't at least having casual discussions and listening to various opinions if this is in place.
Tell your girlfriend/wife who doesn't care about sports that she has to vote for NFL MVP or fill out a March Madness bracket and let me know how much research she does.
My wife did that once. And she came and asked me for some advice. That falls under the category of "research", IMO, as opposed to randomly filling in answers.

 
I have no problem with allowing people to null vote if they want once they go to the polls.
Or vote by mail or whatever. Oregon is doing some great stuff to increase voter turnout. Just passed something that automatically registers folks at the DMV. Big fan.
I dont have a problem getting more people to vote in whatever way they choose, but forcing people to vote? GTFO

 
This would be a total cluster #### if it all had to be done in person. So, my parameters on it would be:

1) Allow on-line voting

2) Allow "none of the above" (null) votes

3) Fines for not voting go toward making future voting easier/more accessible.

 
I am for instituting impediments to voting. I believe that every four years a potential voter should have to take a test the equivalent, if not exactly the same as, the test for citizenship. If one cannot pass that test they lack the acumen to vote.

I understand the abusive history of poll taxes, but that is not to say that impediments necessarily are all abusive.

I am also open to weighted voting as opposed to one person one vote. Persons on the government dole, or with criminal records should have some say, but not an equal say in how things are run. On the other hand, those who have served their country in the military, are active duty, who have served in war, who have been wounded in service to their country and who pay taxes should each see an incremental increase in the value of their votes to reflect the value of their citizenship.

I want voters to be minimally educated, and substantially invested in the country.

 
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This would be a total cluster #### if it all had to be done in person. So, my parameters on it would be:

1) Allow on-line voting

2) Allow "none of the above" (null) votes

3) Fines for not voting go toward making future voting easier/more accessible.
I like all of these. Alternatively, it should run over the course of a few days to one week if it had to be done in person to allow for work schedule, lines, etc.

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
If your mom had to vote for NFL MVP, do you think she would just cast her vote randomly? Or would she talk to you and other people she knows about who she should vote for?

I'm a big fan of mandatory voting, for what it's worth.
Exactly. I would expect it would serve to get people involved in dialogue about politics. Even if we're not talking about Harvard debate discourses, no chance that most people aren't at least having casual discussions and listening to various opinions if this is in place.
No chance? What color is the sky in your world?

 
This would be a total cluster #### if it all had to be done in person. So, my parameters on it would be:

1) Allow on-line voting

2) Allow "none of the above" (null) votes

3) Fines for not voting go toward making future voting easier/more accessible.
I like all of these. Alternatively, it should run over the course of a few days to one week if it had to be done in person to allow for work schedule, lines, etc.
Remove Presidents Day from the calendar. Replace it with Founders Day the first Tuesday of November. All schools, government offices, and most services would be closed or truncated. A true national holiday devoted to voting. The imprecise designation of Founders Day would also allow the addition of new founders on the list so we don't have to argue over new holidays every time an important personage passes away.

 
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FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
For the record, I think that the Reps would do something similar if it upped their election chances.
The Reps have already been doing it for years with their voter suppression (ID) laws.

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
For the record, I think that the Reps would do something similar if it upped their election chances.
The Reps have already been doing it for years with their voter suppression (ID) laws.
wut??

How does one force everyone to vote and want to keep them from voting all at the same time?

 
FWIW, Im shocked a democrat would want to force everyone to vote with the knowledge that a majority of non voters tend to be younger, poorer, less educated and more racially diverse. I wonder who that group would tend to vote for?
For the record, I think that the Reps would do something similar if it upped their election chances.
The Reps have already been doing it for years with their voter suppression (ID) laws.
wut??

How does one force everyone to vote and want to keep them from voting all at the same time?
My reply was to what the Reps have done already to increase their election chances, not what they have done to increase voting. They clearly are opposed to increasing voter participation.

 
I'm for this, but you should be able to opt out if you can prove your grandfather didn't vote.

 
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I think this would be the item that finally convinces me to stop voting out of principle. (Handing in a blank ballot in this case).

 
I have no idea why you would want a bunch of people that don't care and don't know anything about what they're voting for to cast a ballot. I can't think of anything that would inspire less confidence in voting results than a poll where you force the "I don't care" majority to arbitrarily check a box. If they don't care enough to drive the 5 minutes to their voting precinct now, it's not like forcing them to vote is going to suddenly make them spend hours of research figuring out the issues.

It would be like forcing my mom to vote for NFL MVP. Her casting that vote makes the results less accurate, not more.
The democrats do ;)

 
The only way I would would even consider mandatory voting is if:

1- Each person took a required civics class that they had to pass. Re-testing every four years.

2- Each person sat through each candidates campaign speeches that were NOT debates- only what the candidate stood for.

3- Each person was educated in a non-biased way regarding every item on their ballot.

4- On-line voting was instituted. There is no way you could mandate voting without closing every single business including restaurants, retail, etc.

5- I think, even with that, I would be against it. I don't like the idea of a consequence being tied to what should be a right.

 
"Hey you!! Put down the crackpipe and go cast your ballot!!"

Looks at friend:

"Can you believe this ####### wasn't going to vote?!"

 
Only way this would work is if you allowed online voting. No way you can force he vast majority of people who don't want to get up fer nuttin.

 

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