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Mark Ingram to IR, who is the guy to grab in NO? (1 Viewer)

Sabertooth

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(RotoWire)The Saints placed Ingram (shoulder) on injured reserve Wednesday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

Ok, that sucks. Thing King is Dead. Long live the King and all that. Who is the guy to grab for those of us who have serious holes at RB2 now.

I would think it would be Hightower, but Spiller is there as well.

 
Buck Bradcanon said:
This might sound crazy, but people are actually discussing this in the Ingram thread.
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No kidding. But it should have it's own thread. Ingram is irrelevant at this point. I don't go looking for Charcandrick West in the Jamaal Charles thread.

 
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It definitely deserves it's own topic.

Back ON TOPIC, the obvious answer is Hightower. Spiller might FINALLY get a chance to be the lead back, but nothing NO has done to this point suggets they want him in that role. But losing their RB1 and RB2 might force their hand. My pickup to replace Ingram would be Hightower>Spiller>Murphy.

But honestly, if your league has waiver wire depth I wouldn't place a high priority on any of these players.

 
OK fine then...ill post what I have already posted over there...there are a couple of pages talking about Spiller and Hightower already by the way.

But are either of these guys worth beans compared to what else is available for last minute RB pick ups? My rosters close tomorrow night for the playoffs.

Im debating Hightower, Spiller is owned. But in a TD heavy non PPR would any of you rather have Sproles or JBell or Tolbert? Kerwin Williams?

 
Hightower because I had him as a "has been" this summer and came away impressed.

Also because when Ingram got hurt, he got the work, not Spiller

 
Don't think they bring someone in of merit since their season is over anyway. Hightower at the very least knows the offense.

 
I agree. I find it puzzling that people are already dismissing this as a low end option. Why? Ingram only scored under 10 points once all season. And he wasn't getting huge volume either. Hightower can catch as well. He was basically used as a pass catching specialist early in his career no?

 
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Doesnt really matter IMO.

they have a tough schedule.

That being said, Hightower.

If Payton wanted to get Spiller more involved, he would have done so by now. :2cents:

 
Sabertooth said:
I agree. I find it puzzling that people are already dismissing this as a low end option. Why? Ingram only scored under 10 points once all season. And he wasn't getting huge volume either. Hightower can catch as well. He was basically used as a pass catching specialist early in his career no?
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Going into week 1 of the playoffs isn't the time to experiment to see what kind of touches so robe gets.
 
It is if your next best option are Demarco and Bilal.

Not saying I'd lock him in over either, but he's in the conversation.

 
If you would have told me I would be #4 seed with great matchup in 1st round of playoffs with starting rb of deangelo west lacy miller and now Hightower. I would have told u you were crazy. I think you have to grab Hightower to prevent other playoffs teams grabbing him just in case he does get large role.

 
Fwiw Hightower looked decent to good in preseason. He ran bigger or looked thicker than I remembered, this is not the guy with the pass catching rep and breakaway speed that I recall (if I'm recalling that correctly?), but he seemed capable, reliable, at times good. I think everyone knows the score with the Saints, the RB is a grab-bag though Payton did rely on Ingram more than any RB he ever has. There's no telling if he will lean on Hightower like he has with Ingram. I do think Hightower will get the start. For some reason Payton hates Spiller, I don't know why, the offense needed him and moved well with him in the game, it must be something intrinsic, blocking, not understanding the gameplan, dodging tackles, condition, I don't know (probably it's the blocking).

I will throw out that another guy to watch is Marcus Murphy, 7th round pick, more in the mold of Sproles and Pierre, he looked good running and catching the ball, but they haven't used him at all at RB this year and actually recently I don't even see him returning kickoffs anymore, just punts. Payton does like Murphy.

 
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I dropped Tevin Coleman for Hightower. This is my RB4 behind McCoy/Rawls/Sharc so I really hope I don't need to play him, but I have seen guys like Antonio Andrews and Shaun Draughn who are both very pedestrian talents produce points in much less potent offenses than NO plays at home. They face Det @home wk15 and JAX @home wk16. The way this season is going I might need to plug him in that Jax game as producing RB1s are becoming extinct this season. Heck the elite RB should be put on the endangered species list at this point.

I'll see how things go this week with him on my bench instead of somebody else's bench.

 
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I picked up Hightower in all of my leagues where I could. It seems like they trust him more in pass protection, and has more upside than Spiller.

 
Top 10 quality RBs:

Foster - inj

Bell - inj

Charles - inj

Lacy - benched

Forte injured 1/4 season

Ingram - inj

Lynch - inj

Lewis - inj

DMurray - benched

Lewis - inj

Current active and starting top 10, one 0.5 PPR league:

Freeman

AP

Forte

McCoy

Ivory

Martin

Gurley

Miller

LMurray

DWilliams

- 2 out of last year's Top-10 still in this year's Top-10?

 
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this was posted in ingram thread, brees listed hightower first after practice

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/19863/saints-c-j-spiller-tim-hightower-next-in-line-behind-mark-ingram


"You hate to lose guys like that, that mean so much to your offense. But it's kind of the next-man-up mentality," Brees said. "And Tim Hightower is a guy who's been looking for an opportunity now for a while, and he's gonna get that. And C.J. Spiller as well. And Marcus Murphy. We'll have a role for all these guys."
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disclaimer: former ingram owner grasping at straws. these are probably the ramblings of a madman.

i grabbed spiller based solely on the exaggerated hope that perhaps the saints attempt to go to a no-run, patriots-type offense with 50-60 quick short passes a game. i really dont know if the saints possess the personnel to orchestrate this type of pass-heavy offense, but im hoping they at least want to attempt to get spiller more involved. especially now. with peyton knowing ingram is now completely out of any future game planning, might there be a chance he adapts the offense to utilize spiller at a higher rate, possibly a poorer-mans james white?

and i cant shake the fact that the saints gave spiller $5mil guaranteed in the off-season, why wouldnt they at try to least see what they have on their hands? no better time than now. either way the situation stinks.

good times.

 
Sabertooth said:
It is if your next best option are Demarco and Bilal.

Not saying I'd lock him in over either, but he's in the conversation.
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You are in a better spot than me at RB, that's not the point. You were puzzled why people were seeing this as a downgrade. It's a downgrade because of the huge gamble it requires. We have no idea the kind of touches Spiller or Hightower get.
 
Not so much the people seeing it as a downgrade as people almost dismissing it as a desperation play. I'm not so sure on that. I have a sneaking suspicion, call it gut, the Hightower scores 2TD this week.

 
Grabbed both of them, dropped Funchess and DGB, I'm glad to have a week off to see how the touches sort out.

 
I grabbed Hightower and am starting him over DeMarco. My decision is made easier by the fact that my opponent needs a RB worse than I do, and can he really be worse than DeMarco the last few weeks?

 
bizkliz said:
disclaimer: former ingram owner grasping at straws. these are probably the ramblings of a madman.

i grabbed spiller based solely on the exaggerated hope that perhaps the saints attempt to go to a no-run, patriots-type offense with 50-60 quick short passes a game. i really dont know if the saints possess the personnel to orchestrate this type of pass-heavy offense, but im hoping they at least want to attempt to get spiller more involved. especially now. with peyton knowing ingram is now completely out of any future game planning, might there be a chance he adapts the offense to utilize spiller at a higher rate, possibly a poorer-mans james white?

and i cant shake the fact that the saints gave spiller $5mil guaranteed in the off-season, why wouldnt they at try to least see what they have on their hands? no better time than now. either way the situation stinks.

good times.
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If you're banking on a more Patriots-like approach increasing Spiller's usage, think again. The Saints are already 7th in the league at 64.57% pass percentage (41.25 attempts per game). The Patriots are only 3rd at 65.97% (42.3 attempts per game).

The Saints will probably start to pass a bit more but does that mean Spiller gets more snaps? The prevailing opinion is that Spiller lacks in pass protection and that's one of the reasons why the Bills preferred Jackson over him and why Payton preferred Ingram over him.

 
jtd13 said:
I grabbed Hightower and am starting him over DeMarco. My decision is made easier by the fact that my opponent needs a RB worse than I do, and can he really be worse than DeMarco the last few weeks?
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This is my thinking. Added bonus is that in an all play playoff, I was able to block the Ingram owner. Hopefully it's enough.

 
I can't help but think Hightower comes away with 15 touches. Yikes.

 
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For what it's worth in a PPR the experts (Dodds, Tremblay, Bloom) all have Spiller as an RB2 the rest of the season, Hightower isn't even an RB5. But then again they have been wrong about Spiller since the summer. I doubt they had Spiller as an RB2 before this news, so I assume they are basing this on the Ingram news.

 
BK you made a point earlier that changed my thoughts a bit. Opportunity was what jumped out for me compared to those others. I just picked up Hightower in my open slot.

 
Sol D said:
For what it's worth in a PPR the experts (Dodds, Tremblay, Bloom) all have Spiller as an RB2 the rest of the season, Hightower isn't even an RB5. But then again they have been wrong about Spiller since the summer. I doubt they had Spiller as an RB2 before this news, so I assume they are basing this on the Ingram news.
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I just don't see it. This week should give us some clarity. But of course it might be too late.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fwiw Hightower looked decent to good in preseason. He ran bigger or looked thicker than I remembered, this is not the guy with the pass catching rep and breakaway speed that I recall (if I'm recalling that correctly?), but he seemed capable, reliable, at times good. I think everyone knows the score with the Saints, the RB is a grab-bag though Payton did rely on Ingram more than any RB he ever has. There's no telling if he will lean on Hightower like he has with Ingram. I do think Hightower will get the start. For some reason Payton hates Spiller, I don't know why, the offense needed him and moved well with him in the game, it must be something intrinsic, blocking, not understanding the gameplan, dodging tackles, condition, I don't know (probably it's the blocking).

I will throw out that another guy to watch is Marcus Murphy, 7th round pick, more in the mold of Sproles and Pierre, he looked good running and catching the ball, but they haven't used him at all at RB this year and actually recently I don't even see him returning kickoffs anymore, just punts. Payton does like Murphy.
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In two of my leagues owners picked up Murphy before Hightower was picked up.

 
Sabertooth said:
Sol D said:
For what it's worth in a PPR the experts (Dodds, Tremblay, Bloom) all have Spiller as an RB2 the rest of the season, Hightower isn't even an RB5. But then again they have been wrong about Spiller since the summer. I doubt they had Spiller as an RB2 before this news, so I assume they are basing this on the Ingram news.
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I just don't see it. This week should give us some clarity. But of course it might be too late.
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I don't see it either.

 
Picked them both up (Hightower/Spiller) and will see how it plays out Week 14.

My gut tells me Hightower will see majority of the touches. They've had ample opportunity all season to use Spiller and haven't. Like Ingram, Hightower isn't a guy you need to pull off the field. (was a solid receiver in AZ/better pass pro than Spiller). Both with fresh legs so that's what appeals to me just as much as anything.

 
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