DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I avoided that one. The Irishman was pretty bad as well.
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Marty Scorsese and The Killers of the Flower Moon (1 Viewer)
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
The Irishman is one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen relative to hype levelI avoided that one. The Irishman was pretty bad as well.
mr. furley
Footballguy
thinking about buying this book. anyone in here read it?
Eephus
Footballguy
It's excellent. There's a lot more detail about the FBI's efforts presumably because they're better documented. The movie focuses on the victims and perpetrators which is the right decision in narrative terms.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
We watched it tonight. I guess it was good, but didn't find it that compelling. Way too long. Won't stick with me like so many other Scorsese movies do.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I did and echo Eephus' thoughts. Had me nailed to page.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I wouldn't go quite that far, but yeah. It's a "let's get the band back together" not-quite-sequel to Goodfellas that felt awkward and depressing to sit through because you know everyone involved with the project was way past their prime, including the viewer. And it needed to have at least 45 minutes trimmed out of it, but like Netflix was going to edit Scorsese. It makes me very skeptical about sitting through another 3 1/2 hour one-off by this director.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Yeah it was pretty boring
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I assume you watched at home? I am with @Eephus that watching movies at home is kind of killing slower paced movies and long movies. I saw it with a group at the theater and we all said it flew by and we never felt the length of it. Slow movies and long movies, you have to be totally invested in. Otherwise your phone and little distractions at home are so often going to get your attention.
Yeah it was pretty boring
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I assume you watched at home? I am with @Eephus that watching movies at home is kind of killing slower paced movies and long movies. I saw it with a group at the theater and we all said it flew by and we never felt the length of it. Slow movies and long movies, you have to be totally invested in. Otherwise your phone and little distractions at home are so often going to get your attention.
Yeah it was pretty boring
we did. Not sure it was the length, I just didn’t find it very compelling.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Because he’s put out 2 good movies in 20 years or So?
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
His recent films have been good stories that felt way too long. I haven't seen Flower Moon yet but am expecting the same.
An example is the yacht sequence in Wolf Of Wall Street. We have already seen that they are hedonistic characters for 2+ hours and then we have to watch that, too as if somehow we haven't noticed it yet.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I finally watched this. I am a big fan of the book.
I did not like the movie. At no point did I get lost and believe I was in that time? Everyone seemed to be too clean. Leo's teeth were the only thing that looked like it was trying to put me in that time. I have a hard time putting this into words, but I just couldn't get "lost" in it. I could tell these were actors who were acting. I know that sounds weird as F, but there is a difference when an actor can make you forget that they are acting. I also did not like the musicians or cameos that were popping up. Seeing Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson was almost as bad as seeing Ed Sheeran in The Game of Thrones. It took me out of the movie.
When the movie ended as a play, I was thinking maybe I was supposed to feel like I was watching a play the whole time, but I think I am reaching for straws.
I cannot say enough good things about the book, it is a fantastic read.
* It is possible that my love for the book combined with Scorsese gave over expectations that could never be met.
I did not like the movie. At no point did I get lost and believe I was in that time? Everyone seemed to be too clean. Leo's teeth were the only thing that looked like it was trying to put me in that time. I have a hard time putting this into words, but I just couldn't get "lost" in it. I could tell these were actors who were acting. I know that sounds weird as F, but there is a difference when an actor can make you forget that they are acting. I also did not like the musicians or cameos that were popping up. Seeing Jason Isbell and Sturgill Simpson was almost as bad as seeing Ed Sheeran in The Game of Thrones. It took me out of the movie.
When the movie ended as a play, I was thinking maybe I was supposed to feel like I was watching a play the whole time, but I think I am reaching for straws.
I cannot say enough good things about the book, it is a fantastic read.
* It is possible that my love for the book combined with Scorsese gave over expectations that could never be met.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Feels like he lost his fastball a while ago. I didn't hate The Irishman - it was too long, I watched it over three nights because of it and it dragged but I thought it was solid. Not great, but I didn't hate it the way I abhorred Crapper Island.
whoknew
Footballguy
I assume you watched at home? I am with @Eephus that watching movies at home is kind of killing slower paced movies and long movies. I saw it with a group at the theater and we all said it flew by and we never felt the length of it. Slow movies and long movies, you have to be totally invested in. Otherwise your phone and little distractions at home are so often going to get your attention.
Yeah it was pretty boring
I was just going to come here and post this. I saw it in the theater and thought it was brilliant. Didn't feel super long at all. And it was just incredibly intense.
Movies are just so much better at the theater for the reasons you wrote.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It's ironic for me to step in here and defend Scorsese being the one who is typically down on his heavy hitters (Goodfellas, mainly).
I didn't love the Irishman - a bit too long, and I am not a fan of the de-aging tech in movies and think it looks terrible. I haven't seen this one yet, because I wanted to rip off the book first. I don't know why people crap on Shutter Island so much. I think it is a damn good mystery/thriller. Before that was The Departed. Hugo is another odd one that I have grown to love over the years as I get more and more into old movie and wanting people to appreciate that. Pretty sure it's based on a book too, and has some surprising heart to it. I bring it up to suggest people look at what type of movies his contemporaries are putting out in their old age, and Hugo is better than most. The Wolf of Wall Street is epic.
Some of it is that he isn't directing as many and only has 5 or so in that time frame you suggested. I think the other part is people underestimate the movies he did put out. I feel like there is a little bit of sentiment that Marty can only make a certain type of movie or people tend to dismiss it.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The man is 81 years old.
bigbottom
Footballguy
If you watch Killers, I would recommend that you try your best to watch it in one sitting with minimal distractions rather than over three nights.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Don't believe that negates what I stated....
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I liked Shutter Island. It's not a masterpiece or anything, but it's a good movie and makes for a fun re-watch.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Don't believe I suggested that I believe it negates what you stated.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would say the last 20 years have been very strong- shockingly so when you consider this his 60s and 70s. The Aviator, The Departed, Shutter Island, The Irishman, Killers of the Flower Moon, Wolf of Wall Street plus a couple great documentaries. He would be considered a hall of fame worthy director if that was just his whole career and the 70s-90s didn't even happen. He's the Jerry Rice of movie directors.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This period also gave us The Silence. Which I put up with Kundun and Last Temptation as among his best. And I get I'm a contrarian in liking his least commercial films best. But in terms of composition and editing--pure filmmaking--those films are every bit the equal of Raging Bull, IMO.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
That's sounds like a great combo for a Scorsese month! I haven't seen The Silence, which is why I didn't comment on it. I remember seeing Kundun when it came out and liking it, but I have little recollection of it.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think Last Temptation and Silence (apparently its just Silence, not The Silence, sorry) would make excellent bookmarks. Jesus is tempted to renounce his faith in his father. Rodrigues is forced to publicly renounce his faith to save others from suffering. Scorsese has always been obsessed with Catholicism and the sacrifices of faith (the main character in Mean Streets, for instance, is obsessed with St. Francis of Assisi). Scorsese has always said that he would have been a priest if not a filmmaker.
Kundun makes sense as part of a triple-bill, because it deals a lot in how a "saint" might see the world. And it is similar to Silence in that it questions the sacrifices that a pious leader might have to make for those he is tasked to serve and protect.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Count me as the fourth person on this page alone who read the book and subsequently didn't like the movie as much as everyone else seems to. It started with me being confused as to when the Jesse Plemons character would show up and went from there.
Nailed my thoughts here, too. I absolutely love Isbell and Simpson, but they were incredibly distracting, and I never got wrapped up into it. And yeah I was watching at home, but plenty of things are able to pull us into their world on smaller screens.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think it makes sense for the movie to have shifted POV from the FBI to the Osage. Though I think Scorsese really ended up centering the story on the villains. That was the mistake of the movie though that’s what he does. He might not have been the right person for the movie but it’s an incredibly well made movie.
