Bigboy10182000
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Exaaaactly.
Has there been a definitive decision on whether we are back to "hoarding" crystals again?
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This was my initial thought as well. I'll hold each week, then open everything on dupe days.
guitarmonkiy
Footballguy
I think that's the best plan for now, and the future if it continues to work well. And now with the new setup we can see who is opening what and address the matters accordingly.5-ish Finkle said:
As some of you saw today, Fourier left the group, which sucks because he was a good contributor and about 60k PI. He told me it was because he saw a big decrease in overall participation in the group. Maybe we need to reattempt a second more casual alliance if this is gonna continue like this.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
idk, this might be the more casual alliance now.
We get good participation in Alliance quests, special events, leveling and ranking, but for many of these we just don't have the available capital to rank highly. We get less participation in the Arenas and associated events and duels ( a personal pet peeve... so easy )
At this point, I'm not really able to compete in the 4*. Even if I could get to the all-easy streak, I don't have anywhere near the time to grind for a 4*. With my roster now, I can get about 150k per run ( again, assuming I can get and maintain endless ). From the numbers I'm hearing, you'd need about 18-20 runs to rank high enough to get a 4*. With slow load times, my 150k run takes about an hour. Somehow, 18-20 hours of tap-swipe in 3 days doesn't seem like a good use of time.
So my participation is getting 200k and 30k, run some catalysts, help the alliance in quests and whatever events I can help with.
Dickies
Footballguy
This is basically where I am at. I cannot get 150k per run in the 4* as I just do not have the number of teams. I am making a small push in the 3* and am at 300k right now. Not expecting to win much, but I can maintain an endless streak with my entire squad. I simply do not have the time to devote to grinding for 8 hours a day and can't blame anyone else if they are in the same boat. My biggest gripe is that I feel the participation in AQ is lacking. I feel like I am always one of the top contributors in my group, and it literally takes about 5 minutes every 5 hours to check in and use up your AP. It's not grindy, it's one of the more fun features in the game and is something that benefits the entire alliance.
guitarmonkiy
Footballguy
The grind for a 4* is ridiculous for sure. My frustration with missing a 4* Thor with 2.5 million points is now well documented. Doubt I'll try again unless they bring back the 2 million point hero milestone which is doubtful.
Not completing the duel event is absurd. There's absolutely no reason for that.
And the alliance quests are fun, but like dickies said some people still don't do much with those either. You can't go solely based on scores however, because that varies so much based on who you fight. One quest this last series, ten and I both scored 240k+ while the next highest guys were around 60k. That's not to brag, it's moreso because we both had done a lot of damage to Thor, Ultron, etc. That being said, there's no reason people should end up with like 8000 points, that's just not even trying.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Well lets not get crazy.
The "casual group' had about three people doing anything in it out of the maybe 12-15 bodies in the group. Couldn't buy any milestone rewards in even the easiest of the alliance events or hope to get a fraction of the 1000 "help points" per day since no one was really participating in, well, anything.Basically agree with most everything else though. I have enough teams in the 4* arena that I can hit the shard level rewards whenever I want without having to spend 10 hours playing, but the teams aren't good enough to reach the endless stage and anything above that really starts to become a time sink regardless. I could have 4-5 fully maxed 4* teams and not have the time available to place in those arenas. Plus, with how they've adjusted rewards on stuff I don't even know if it's worth it anyway
The AQ stuff is just "okay" for me. Not that much fun, but also not exactly a drudge since it's usually a quick thing. I check in at least three times a day on them, but since until a few days ago I only had one 4* champ it's not like I was contributing much most times. If I manage to be one of the first in a group to jump in I can knock down a few nodes and open a path, but I don't have the guns to contribute much on the bigger node bosses. Often times, I'm logging in just to die since the only remaining targets available are those aforementioned nodes.
TL
R: This game is pretty much a hamster wheel and the devs cater to the hamsters who actually spend $$. I don't(and won't) so I'll just ##### about it.
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Peak
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat as many of the above. I have a 3* for each class almost maxxed, and a bunch of 2* I can rotate in arenas to get to the endless streak. But I don't have any 4*, nor enough 3* to do much "grinding" in a 4* arena. I do what I can there - but focus more on the other alliance events. I like the AQ event, but also feel like I can't do much more than clear a path for the bigger teams to take on the higher levels. I know I'm not a top producer, but I don't mind pulling whatever weight I can for the alliance.
With that said, I agree with 5-ish above - this is no where near the level of the "casual" alliance. We may not be a team of grinders, but we are a team of producers - and that says something. The casual alliance struggled to get enough participation to reach level one of an event...let alone go deep enough for any meaningful rewards.
With that said, I agree with 5-ish above - this is no where near the level of the "casual" alliance. We may not be a team of grinders, but we are a team of producers - and that says something. The casual alliance struggled to get enough participation to reach level one of an event...let alone go deep enough for any meaningful rewards.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I never went into our version of the casual alliance, and I was being mostly facetious.
What I mean by that on the little bit of "serious" that was intended is that we do play more or less casually as an alliance. We have some basic guidelines, but not too many hard and fast rules, we don't demand participation / quotas for every event. Many of us play a lot, trying to hit all the milestones that are reasonable, but there are several that don't now ( usually around arena events ).
This is fine, but we won't be competing for top prizes, nor should we expect to. We truly don't have the firepower to compete.
Dickies
Footballguy
This was really my point. There will be people sitting at the start with 11000 points and full health champs. You need to fight the bosses to get the top points, but even just fighting the regular path you should hit 40000+ in my experience. That is really all we can expect from people, unless they get KO'd
Just to throw my two cents in, I'd offer as an idea going to holding crystals for two weeks or every other week. Remove the pain of holding for a month but still accumulate enough to make a dent in continous events.
I'd also say punt the 7 day crystals and focus on opening the crystals on dupe days and for the ISO for level up 3 days. I think we had around 800k points when we got the top 10 ranking in Level Up, that gives us a good data point to shoot for. Holding for two weeks and grinding cats & ISO should allow enough to give us a chance at the top 10 again. I'd say punt the rank ups too, takes too long to grind enough basic cats and it keeps people from boosting their champs up enough to fight better in arenas.
Just some thoughts.
I'd also say punt the 7 day crystals and focus on opening the crystals on dupe days and for the ISO for level up 3 days. I think we had around 800k points when we got the top 10 ranking in Level Up, that gives us a good data point to shoot for. Holding for two weeks and grinding cats & ISO should allow enough to give us a chance at the top 10 again. I'd say punt the rank ups too, takes too long to grind enough basic cats and it keeps people from boosting their champs up enough to fight better in arenas.
Just some thoughts.
Also, try as best we can to match holding to the calendar and post on the alliance board. So for example, "All crystals & ISO & Level ups should be held until the dupe day occuring the week of Sept 30th" then Oct 15th, then Oct 30th. Or if holding just a week, "all crystals held until dupe day this week, ISO held until the 3 day Level that starts after dupe day."
Or do none of this
Or do none of this
UOFI_316
Footballguy
I agree that now that we know a basic schedule we should be able to stick to it with what we do. Only open hero crystals on dupe day, only use iso during level up 3 day, hold rankups for rank up 3 day. At some point we should reach a good pattern where everyone gets up to the next rank during level up, and then we all rank up, rinse, repeat. I know for this first wave some were caught off guard with all their heroes ready to rank.Also, try as best we can to match holding to the calendar and post on the alliance board. So for example, "All crystals & ISO & Level ups should be held until the dupe day occuring the week of Sept 30th" then Oct 15th, then Oct 30th. Or if holding just a week, "all crystals held until dupe day this week, ISO held until the 3 day Level that starts after dupe day."
Or do none of this
With the reduced event value of shard crystals, is it worth it to save for an extended time? We will only get a small fraction of the actual PHC we had this time around, and I think most of us have now used the Thanos 4*, so those 25k points are gone. Unless Act 4 opens and there are easily achievable 3* and 4* crystals I don't see us scoring big points. But the flip side is that all alliances are facing those same reduced values. I prefer the weekly opening of heroes on dupe day, it gets us back to what was fun in the beginning.
For going crazy on a 3 day event I agree with the 18 hour window that was mentioned in chat. This gives everyone the evening after it starts, and a few hours in the morning to get on the board before missing out on some rewards. Eventually we are going to reach a point where we have less and less small point rankups left. I know this time I ranked a 1* just to get something in there while I was still cat farming.
My thoughts on the extended time of two weeks was more that I just don't know if we will have accumulated enough ISO to score worth while for a rank. However, this assumed we care about ranking high. The 3 day rank rewards aren't exactly stellar, we won 3 Solar crystals last time as a top 10, nice, but not earth shattering.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Need to look at whether we'd be able to hit any decent awards on the 7 day crystal event by holding for a week or two. If we wouldn't be able to hit any of the set milestones, it's probably not worth it just to shoot for a rank reward that the major alliances will still be able to crush us on each week.I agree that now that we know a basic schedule we should be able to stick to it with what we do. Only open hero crystals on dupe day, only use iso during level up 3 day, hold rankups for rank up 3 day. At some point we should reach a good pattern where everyone gets up to the next rank during level up, and then we all rank up, rinse, repeat. I know for this first wave some were caught off guard with all their heroes ready to rank.Also, try as best we can to match holding to the calendar and post on the alliance board. So for example, "All crystals & ISO & Level ups should be held until the dupe day occuring the week of Sept 30th" then Oct 15th, then Oct 30th. Or if holding just a week, "all crystals held until dupe day this week, ISO held until the 3 day Level that starts after dupe day."
Or do none of this
With the reduced event value of shard crystals, is it worth it to save for an extended time? We will only get a small fraction of the actual PHC we had this time around, and I think most of us have now used the Thanos 4*, so those 25k points are gone. Unless Act 4 opens and there are easily achievable 3* and 4* crystals I don't see us scoring big points. But the flip side is that all alliances are facing those same reduced values. I prefer the weekly opening of heroes on dupe day, it gets us back to what was fun in the beginning.
For going crazy on a 3 day event I agree with the 18 hour window that was mentioned in chat. This gives everyone the evening after it starts, and a few hours in the morning to get on the board before missing out on some rewards. Eventually we are going to reach a point where we have less and less small point rankups left. I know this time I ranked a 1* just to get something in there while I was still cat farming.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So when is dupe day? And does anyone know who the next champ is they'll give you in the 3v3's? Is it posted anywhere ahead of time?
Dickies
Footballguy
My intention is to spend the shard crystals and 2* every single dupe day since they aren't worth anything in crystal events. I plan on holding everything else, except Arena Crystals for the time being. I am trying to get my units to 2500 so that I don't need to worry about missing the next 4* offer that comes my way.
Mr. Yuk
Footballguy
Question on masteries- if you reset, do you have to respend units and/or stony cores to unlock again? I'm sure you have to respend the gold but thats not a big deal. It would really suck to have to respend units or cores.
Also, on Precision and Cruelty, I thought I saw someone mention that it costs units or cores on EVERY rank, not just to unlock, is that accurate?
Also, on Precision and Cruelty, I thought I saw someone mention that it costs units or cores on EVERY rank, not just to unlock, is that accurate?
Dickies
Footballguy
You do not need to spend cores, but you will need to re-spend units. That is how I've understood it, but I have yet to reset
GregR
Footballguy
Yes, you do not pay UNLOCK costs again, but you still pay all the costs for putting points in the ability after the unlock. Which can include credits. Early masteries mostly cost gold to put points back in, but the better ones further up the tree cost some credits. The ones furthest to the right can cost 10-30 credits to place a point in, after it is unlocked.
guitarmonkiy
Footballguy
I have no problem doing this, although I'll probably need reminders lol. I'm not always great at remembering to update the board.Also, try as best we can to match holding to the calendar and post on the alliance board. So for example, "All crystals & ISO & Level ups should be held until the dupe day occuring the week of Sept 30th" then Oct 15th, then Oct 30th. Or if holding just a week, "all crystals held until dupe day this week, ISO held until the 3 day Level that starts after dupe day."
Or do none of this
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
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(HULK)
(Smash)
I had the issue last night. I was getting close to finishing Magneto (2.5 more runs) and it crapped out. Couldn't connect the rest of the night. Don't have time for it today. So, now I'm out 200 4* shards and an alpha.
But, they'll give me a health potion to make up for it, I'm sure.
But, they'll give me a health potion to make up for it, I'm sure.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
Yeah, it crapped out for me for a few hours last night. Also before it crapped there was an hour or so where the PI was all screwed up. Normally when Punisher has a class advantage he would be at 2002, when I was doing the last map of Moon Knight he was only like 1890. After it came back online he showed up correctly.
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UOFI_316
Footballguy
Annnnd the Alliance Quest saga continues!
We’ve got another round of changes and announcements pertaining to the Alliance Quests. First up, the biggest one:
We’re now going to be running Alliance Quests on a weekly basis. With a slight asterisk – they will run on a five days on, three days off cadence. (Yes we know there is only seven days in a week) This will give players the chance to enjoy Alliance Quest events on a more frequent basis, but still grant you some down time in between.
Running these Alliance Quests more frequently means that a few other changes were needed.
First up – we are removing the Alliance Quest Crystal as a prize on Map 1. We realize this may be an unpopular decision, but due to the reduced costs and and reduced difficulty of Map 1, we’ve seen more advanced players farming Map 1, instead of taking on the more challenging quests. As Map 1 is really meant as the starting point for newer Alliances, we wanted to ensure that this was changed.
Regarding milestone rewards, we are slightly reducing the payouts due to the now weekly cadence. Crystal shard rewards will be paid out in the same amounts, however additional item payouts (such as boosts, health potions, gold crystals) will see minor reductions – think going from 2 to 1 for each.
Map 5 will see a few changes, most notably that we are swapping out some of the characters to spice things up, and we will be buffing enemies towards the end of the quest to achieve a better difficulty progression.
We’re improving the rank rewards for Alliance Quests. This includes giving players in the training tier a chance to earn 4 star heroes and for higher tiers, a greater focus on the rare upgrade materials that they are seeking at their point in the game progression.
Basic heroes will be available in all tiers for the top ranking alliances.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Map 1, map 5 etc....where are these?
(HULK)
(Smash)
There are 5 alliance quest maps. 1 is the easiest. 5 is the hardest.
We can beat maps 1 and 2. 3, not so much.
We probably should just run map 2 5 times and see if we can get one of these rank rewards.
Dickies
Footballguy
"farming map 1 for Alliance Quest crystals"
more like sticking to what we can actually complete
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
The map 1 cost was like 20% of the rest, so no investment except a little time each day to collect AQ crystals. I think it was like 20k gold per run for the alliance.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
OK, so what do I have to do to get in these? Id like to give it a shot
I'm also assuming there isn't Tier 4 catalysts either? I have my 4* Rocket at 3/30
I'm also assuming there isn't Tier 4 catalysts either? I have my 4* Rocket at 3/30
Dickies
Footballguy
This is what I initially thought, but after opening 30+ of these things I have gotten nothing of value. Don't want to think how many it will take to accumulate 3 of these.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
Go to Fight, towards the right there is a Ultron picture with "Alliance Quest", click Enter or Join. You then pick one of the 3 battlegroups (they all fight the same map, just a way to split the alliance into 3 groups), pick the group with the least amount of people, you then pick the 3 guys you want to enter with (you can't use these guys in another quest at the same time). When you are in the quest the guys with the purple triangle are providing buffs to someone else. If the guy just has a purple border he is getting a buff from someone, so what for someone else to take out the buff before you fight him. If the guy has an orange border he is receiving a buff from himself (just a stronger version of himself).
On the right side of the screen there is a triangle button, clicking that will show you who is sending a buff to who. We need to work down neighboring paths at the same time since they provide buffs to the other path.
Try to pick a path that gives you the most advantage for your guys.
You start with 3 energy and get one per hour up to 5. The energy time starts when the quest is started so if you join 2 hours after it was started you will start with 5 energy. If someone else has already gone down a path it doesn't cost you energy.
Each battlegroup has its own chat, so feel free to ask questions in there if you don't know something or want to know which path to take.
Mr. Yuk
Footballguy
Road Warriors
Footballguy
UOFI_316
Footballguy
I have added columns for the shard crystals.
Going forward I would throw this out there for a "schedule" we hold all rank ups and level ups for a week. We then pick one of these events to go after. It seems like we all try to go after the rank ups which means we level guys up to their next rank, or we try to get in a bunch of level ups which means we rank our guys so we can keep ranking them. I think we have to pick one of these events to do, not try to do both. Taking the current 3 day rank up, we aren't going to reach the first 1500 shard reward because there were lots of rank ups going on during the level up event. Only picking one every other week also means we have a little more time to acquire all the cats we need.
For crystals lets get back to holding them, only this time for shorter durations. We should be able to reach the dupe day rewards if we all only open PHC Shards and 2* crystals. If we all keep track in the spreadsheet, I would suggest we use the 750000 level for opening. That gives us the 25 units and (5) 1300 ISO level rewards. THe 1m level is a tier 1 team health (not worth it), 1.5m is loyalty and battle chips (wow!!!), 2m is 2 gold crystals (I know we all want to save up for 3000 in gold), 2.5m is a crystal but do we all want to save up to get a 2* dupe?
For AQ, I know we have kind of been going on auto pilot, all joining what we think is "our" group with no real idea if we are still spreading the wealth. Plus with some new guys, some retires, some no shows I think we need to try and spread it out evenly again. I also noticed that yesterday at one point group 1 had 7, group 2 had 6 and group 3 was not started. When I commented in chat to fill group 1, that wasn't what I meant, but maybe the newer guys took it that way.
Mr. Yuk
Footballguy
I 2nd all of these ideas.
With the AQs I wonder if the numbers make sense to go 10/10 for map 1 and 2, and punt map 3. Or just stick with the 1st quest. I hate missing out on the AQ crystals and without 100% participation it's hard to get all 3, as we've been finding out.
I think the AQs are scaled in difficulty to your alliance rating, so when you have members that are no shows its extra tough. So for instance if you only had 20 members, the AQs would be easier than if you had 30 members with 10 no shows.
Dickies
Footballguy
I mentioned in chat, but the rank rewards for AQ are really good. (500 4* shards - 4* Hawkeye). We jump through all these hoops in an effort to gain more rewards from 3-7 day events, but simply participating in AQ I am confident that we could hit some of these rank rewards.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
I read on the reddit that staying on the same map, and succeeding, raises our prestige and thus the difficulty. Some folks (me included) have been thinking that Map 2 seems harder than it first did and this seems to confirm it. Is it worth it for us to try Map 3 once we get our participation levels and groupings sorted? And how do we know where to go? I have been joining at semi random just based on where it looks like I have class advantages. Usually run with my IM, Cap, and Cap combo for the synergies.
guitarmonkiy
Footballguy
I agree, and most probably do as well. There are a few problems though. The obvious one is participation. The other is we don't have the firepower to score high enough to reach that without spending units. An idea I just had is to take the easy route through 2 or 3 rotations of AQs and not use any of our health potions, revives, etc. We stock up on them for a bit and then maybe we can have an easier chance for harder maps. As an alliance, we have ONE champ that's higher than 3/30. I'm gonna start doing the t4 cat arenas to get 3 of my guys up to that, and I think a few others are as well which will definitely help with those.
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