McNabb is back. He will win your fantasy league. (1 Viewer)

[Pocket Joker]

He wants to shove the Kolb pick down mgts throat.

And last year he wanted to show how much he didn't need T.O. It doesn't seem like that kept him healthy.

Apples and Oranges.There is a HUGE difference between the two situations.

Uhhh.... not really. Everyone wants to come up with some extra motivation for him. He's a terrific QB when healthy. But all the motivation in the world won't keep him from the kinds of injuries that have caused him to miss 19 games over the last five years. He's starting to rival Fred Taylor in the "games missed due to injury" department

Ok, now you are requiring me to poke holes in your logic & exaggerations. Calling Fred Taylor "fragile" is always the comparison. Let's look at games started over the last several years for Mr. Fred:

Year - Games - Games Started

2002 - 16 - 16

2003 - 16 - 16

2004 - 14 - 14

2005 - 11 - 11

2006 - 15 - 15

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Total - 72 - 72 of possible 80

That's 90% of all games for 5 years, and even better disregarding 2005. Hardly as "fragile" as everyone makes it seem.

And McNabb has only missed 12 fantasy games over the last 5 years (another exaggeration). Regardless, I'm still taking him over Romo, Bulger, Brady, Palmer and Kitna.

 

[zadok]

McNabb is the next best QB to Manning HANDS DOWN. Haters, please keep your opinions to yourself. Thank you.

You think he's better than Brady

Better FOOTBALL QB? No. Better Fantasy QB? HELL YES!

Even fantasy-wise, McNabb has never been the #2 QB.

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

 

[JuniorNB]

After 51 posts, I think we've determined what everyone already knew.

If McNabb can stay healthy, he'll be a very good fantasy quarterback.

 

[Despyzer]

Ok, now you are requiring me to poke holes in your logic & exaggerations. Calling Fred Taylor "fragile" is always the comparison.

So your argument against McNabb being injury prone is to show how many more games he has missed than Fred Taylor? Nice work, sir.

 

[Despyzer]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

...and?

 

[MDSkinner]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

There in lies the problem, eh?I don't want a player to be #1 just until I make the playoffs and then get hurt. He doesn't end the year as the #1 QB because he does not finish the season (historically speaking).

 

[Despyzer]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

I'm assuming the years you are referencing are 2002, 2005, and 2006. He ended up 20th, 13th, and 20th those years. Brady, seeing he was offered as a comparison, ended up 9th, 2nd and 7th for those seasons.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

There in lies the problem, eh?I don't want a player to be #1 just until I make the playoffs and then get hurt. He doesn't end the year as the #1 QB because he does not finish the season (historically speaking).

You're not allowed to start someone in his place if he gets hurt?According to FBG scoring...Last year if you would have started McNabb for his 10 games. Your backup QB would only have had to average 14 FPG for your QB position to finish #2 in total scoring.Here go some of the QBs who averaged 14-16 FPG: Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart, JP Losman, Jason Campbell.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

I'm assuming the years you are referencing are 2002, 2005, and 2006. He ended up 20th, 13th, and 20th those years. Brady, seeing he was offered as a comparison, ended up 9th, 2nd and 7th for those seasons.

PPG is what matters, not total fantasy points. Unless of course, like I said in a previous post, you aren't allow to start another QB.Otherwise it would be McNabb + whoever you had to replace McNabb.

 

[MDSkinner]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

There in lies the problem, eh?I don't want a player to be #1 just until I make the playoffs and then get hurt. He doesn't end the year as the #1 QB because he does not finish the season (historically speaking).

You're not allowed to start someone in his place if he gets hurt?According to FBG scoring...Last year if you would have started McNabb for his 10 games. Your backup QB would only have had to average 14 FPG for your QB position to finish #2 in total scoring.Here go some of the QBs who averaged 14-16 FPG: Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart, JP Losman, Jason Campbell.

Actually this is the point. If you can draft an overall better team, by waiting to draft Leinart/Losman in later rounds, then why spend potentially a 4th round pick on McNabb when you will need Leinart/Losman before it is all said and done anyway? This is about finding the right value. If McNabb were still there in the 7th round, I personally would not be able to pass him up. 3rd-5th round? Not so much. His value is just not there for me, since historically, I would have to make separate plans come playoff time. I am a big McNabb fan, I just don't want to have to spend an early pick to get him on my team.

 

[einstein2u]

he is an excellent fantasy player when healthy.....just get a good back up....than you will have no worries.

i tired to get mcnabb in all 4 of my leagues....missed him in 1.

backed him up with

leinart

big ben X 2

feel pretty good about it.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's been #1 3 different years. Then he got hurt...

There in lies the problem, eh?I don't want a player to be #1 just until I make the playoffs and then get hurt. He doesn't end the year as the #1 QB because he does not finish the season (historically speaking).

You're not allowed to start someone in his place if he gets hurt?According to FBG scoring...Last year if you would have started McNabb for his 10 games. Your backup QB would only have had to average 14 FPG for your QB position to finish #2 in total scoring.Here go some of the QBs who averaged 14-16 FPG: Chad Pennington, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart, JP Losman, Jason Campbell.

Actually this is the point. If you can draft an overall better team, by waiting to draft Leinart/Losman in later rounds, then why spend potentially a 4th round pick on McNabb when you will need Leinart/Losman before it is all said and done anyway? This is about finding the right value. If McNabb were still there in the 7th round, I personally would not be able to pass him up. 3rd-5th round? Not so much. His value is just not there for me, since historically, I would have to make separate plans come playoff time. I am a big McNabb fan, I just don't want to have to spend an early pick to get him on my team.

You don't draft a backup QB? So if you draft Bulger, Brady, Brees, Kitna or whoever you won't draft a backup? The player doesn't even have to be a good backup.I just looked at McNabb + Jason Campbell. Campbell is a guy you probably wouldn't have even had to draft last year. Adding McNabbs numbers weeks 1-10 and Campbell weeks 11-17 you get 342 FP. Manning at #1 had 362 FP and Drew Brees at #2 had 317 FP.

 

[Despyzer]

I just looked at McNabb + Jason Campbell. Campbell is a guy you probably wouldn't have even had to draft last year. Adding McNabbs numbers weeks 1-10 and Campbell weeks 11-17 you get 342 FP. Manning at #1 had 362 FP and Drew Brees at #2 had 317 FP.

That's interesting, but it took you two picks to get those points, and the Brady or Brees owner only had to use one. I think we've legitimized this goofy thread long enough. It seems that the consensus agrees that McNabb is very valuable if he stays healthy, but his track record for doing so makes a lot of people suspicious.

 

[The Jerk]

I just looked at McNabb + Jason Campbell. Campbell is a guy you probably wouldn't have even had to draft last year. Adding McNabbs numbers weeks 1-10 and Campbell weeks 11-17 you get 342 FP. Manning at #1 had 362 FP and Drew Brees at #2 had 317 FP.

Perhaps the disagreement in this thread comes from people not wanting to go into their FF playoffs with a mediocre (at best) QB. All I have to say to that is if McNabb can get you to the playoffs, and you know in advance his history, then during Weeks 9-12 or so you should be trying to acquire through trade or even free agency an alternative QB for the playoffs who has favorable matchups.It's an insurance policy, and something I agree I would rather not have to do, but I'd rather have high production for 10-11 weeks that puts me in position than lesser production for all 16 weeks that decreases my chance of making the playoffs altogether.Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to lose my QB, and it is a concern with McNabb, but on the other hand, he's a proven top 4 QB unlike many others who might stay healthy but still perform poorly in the playoffs.Would you rather have a top 4 QB for 60% of the season with a chance that he will stay healthy, or would you prefer a #8-12 QB who has a better injury track record?Like others have said, you're not forced to play without a QB if he gets hurt. And these options are not necessarily much worse than that #8-12 QB if you look for good playoff matchups.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I just looked at McNabb + Jason Campbell. Campbell is a guy you probably wouldn't have even had to draft last year. Adding McNabbs numbers weeks 1-10 and Campbell weeks 11-17 you get 342 FP. Manning at #1 had 362 FP and Drew Brees at #2 had 317 FP.

That's interesting, but it took you two picks to get those points, and the Brady or Brees owner only had to use one. I think we've legitimized this goofy thread long enough. It seems that the consensus agrees that McNabb is very valuable if he stays healthy, but his track record for doing so makes a lot of people suspicious.

Again...if you do a 16 round draft and only pick 1 QB ok. But I would say 90+% of the people on these boards are drafting a backup QB regardless of who they take as their #1 guy.

 

[MDSkinner]

I just looked at McNabb + Jason Campbell. Campbell is a guy you probably wouldn't have even had to draft last year. Adding McNabbs numbers weeks 1-10 and Campbell weeks 11-17 you get 342 FP. Manning at #1 had 362 FP and Drew Brees at #2 had 317 FP.

That's interesting, but it took you two picks to get those points, and the Brady or Brees owner only had to use one. I think we've legitimized this goofy thread long enough. It seems that the consensus agrees that McNabb is very valuable if he stays healthy, but his track record for doing so makes a lot of people suspicious.

Again...if you do a 16 round draft and only pick 1 QB ok. But I would say 90+% of the people on these boards are drafting a backup QB regardless of who they take as their #1 guy.

I completely agree with this assessment.I would just much rather spend my 7th-10th round picks on QB's than my 3rd or 4th round pick and a 13th round pick. It is just a personal preference for me. I always draft two QB's, but only if their value is worth what I feel it needs to be. In the drafts I have been in so far this year, McNabb's value has not been there.

 

[zadok]

As an aside, how could you NOT draft a 2nd QB due to the bye week?

 

[MDSkinner]

As an aside, how could you NOT draft a 2nd QB due to the bye week?

I think a person could make an argument than if you have Manning that you do not need to worry about "drafting" a backup and just wait until his bye week to pick up the best of the worst that is out there on the waiver wire.This is not the case with McNabb, however.

 

[zadok]

As an aside, how could you NOT draft a 2nd QB due to the bye week?

I think a person could make an argument than if you have Manning that you do not need to worry about "drafting" a backup and just wait until his bye week to pick up the best of the worst that is out there on the waiver wire.This is not the case with McNabb, however.

I have never ever ever in my 17 years of playing fantasy only drafted 1 QB.

 

[MDSkinner]

As an aside, how could you NOT draft a 2nd QB due to the bye week?

I think a person could make an argument than if you have Manning that you do not need to worry about "drafting" a backup and just wait until his bye week to pick up the best of the worst that is out there on the waiver wire.This is not the case with McNabb, however.

I have never ever ever in my 17 years of playing fantasy only drafted 1 QB.

Me neither (though only 10 years for me).But in two different drafts that I have been involved in this year two different guys only drafted 1. The first one drafted Brady and the second one Manning. They felt they would rather fill their bench spots currently with other positions and see how things shake out. I don't do it, but it is a reasonable approach.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I have never ever ever in my 17 years of playing fantasy only drafted 1 QB.

True, but if I had Manning/Brady I might consider it. I have to use the waiver wire anyway for kicker and defense etc. so why not my bye week QB?

 

[kensat30]

The past few years, Donovan McNabb has been a difference maker whenever he plays. Very few QBs in any given year are difference makers. Sometimes there are none. Sometimes there are 1 or 2. Donovan has been a difference maker for the past 3 years.

Bulger has never been a difference maker. Nor has Tom Brady.

 

[Sleeper 43]

he is an excellent fantasy player when healthy.....just get a good back up....than you will have no worries.i tired to get mcnabb in all 4 of my leagues....missed him in 1.backed him up withleinartbig ben X 2feel pretty good about it.

I dont see what the confusion is. When healthy he busts his tail and competes with the best Qbs every week. Having a RB like Westy who is almost a better receiver than and a runner is a blessing.He is however not without risk so you get a decent handcuff. End of story.

 

[H.K.]

Kolb has shown why the birds drafted him. Look at these pre-season stats:

Kolb 48 of 73 (65%) and 1 TD

McNabb 11 of 20 (55%) and 0 TD's

After McFlab's next injury this season, he'll be done as an Eagle.

 

[The Jerk]

Kolb has shown why the birds drafted him. Look at these pre-season stats:Kolb 48 of 73 (65%) and 1 TDMcNabb 11 of 20 (55%) and 0 TD'sAfter McFlab's next injury this season, he'll be done as an Eagle.

And of course, they're playing comparable defenses in comparable situations with identical goals for the performances.

 

[H.K.]

Kolb has shown why the birds drafted him. Look at these pre-season stats:Kolb 48 of 73 (65%) and 1 TDMcNabb 11 of 20 (55%) and 0 TD'sAfter McFlab's next injury this season, he'll be done as an Eagle.

And of course, they're playing comparable defenses in comparable situations with identical goals for the performances.

Not exactly. While they played the same teams running the same schemes, Kolb was lighting it up surrounded by scrubs......give the rookie some talent around him like Westy, Reggie, LJ, et al and he'd put up sick numbers.

 

[The Jerk]

Kolb has shown why the birds drafted him. Look at these pre-season stats:Kolb 48 of 73 (65%) and 1 TDMcNabb 11 of 20 (55%) and 0 TD'sAfter McFlab's next injury this season, he'll be done as an Eagle.

And of course, they're playing comparable defenses in comparable situations with identical goals for the performances.

Not exactly. While they played the same teams running the same schemes, Kolb was lighting it up surrounded by scrubs......give the rookie some talent around him like Westy, Reggie, LJ, et al and he'd put up sick numbers.

:IBTL: for chutzpah, but for reality. Whatever makes you happy.

 

[westbrook36]

I never expected to get this much response from a little video. lol Must be the title. My basic point is McNabb will go lower than he did last year because of the knee injury, and you should not be be afraid to pick him. He is healthy, and ready to go. The video shows that he can plant that right leg, he can move well in the pocket, and he can still make some great throws. If you are that concerned, just make sure you get a decent backup.

Even with McNabb getting injured last year, he still finished in the top 10 in points of all players(yahoo). Right now According to Yahoo, he is ranked Q6, and 51st overall. You will be getting a top 10 player in possibly the 3rd or even 4th round of your draft. It is worth it! You should have already bagged your 2 rbs, and now you have a steal with McNabb to put your team over the top. Forget receivers, they barely get any points, and there are a million of them. You can still get 3 good enough receivers from rounds 4-8.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

As I said in post 18, I'm looking for value. If there's no value, then the risk tips me away from choosing him anytime before QB5 on average. QB 6-7, it's probably just a little bit of value, but anything after that, then it's value. I should also say that it isn't just about how many QBs have been drafted, but also the round of the draft. Obviously, there is a difference between 6 QBs being drafted by the end of round 3 and the same at the end of round 5.I agree that in most competitive leagues (90% maybe), it means I will probably be on the outside looking in when McNabb is drafted. I still think it's an accurate point, however. I know I'm not being aggressive here, but that's not might still. I'm not a huge FF risk taker, nor am I trying to look cool in the forums, I'm just saying that is the strategy I recommend.It's not much different than me saying I wouldn't take Peyton Manning until very late in the first round. In most leagues, that means I don't get him because I won't overpay. However, once in awhile, the situation will align in which the guys sitting near me late in the first round are all "stud RB" guys, so when I pick 2.02 I will have the opportunity to draft him.Bottom line: At the right price, he's worth it. If the price is too high, I'll pass.

VBD in a nutshell right there.

Case in point re: watching him go too early, I had targetted McNabb and Brady as potential outperformers of Manning this year only and was looking forward to my choice in round 4 based on 7th round and 5th round ADPs. After Portis fell to me (imo) at 3.02, I watched McNabb, Brady and Brees all disappear in the third round. Guess I just threw my league under the bus. Or 2 of these guys saw what I saw going in...

 

[jonessed]

I never expected to get this much response from a little video. lol Must be the title. My basic point is McNabb will go lower than he did last year because of the knee injury, and you should not be be afraid to pick him. He is healthy, and ready to go. The video shows that he can plant that right leg, he can move well in the pocket, and he can still make some great throws. If you are that concerned, just make sure you get a decent backup.

Even with McNabb getting injured last year, he still finished in the top 10 in points of all players(yahoo). Right now According to Yahoo, he is ranked Q6, and 51st overall. You will be getting a top 10 player in possibly the 3rd or even 4th round of your draft. It is worth it! You should have already bagged your 2 rbs, and now you have a steal with McNabb to put your team over the top. Forget receivers, they barely get any points, and there are a million of them. You can still get 3 good enough receivers from rounds 4-8.

That's just annoying.

 

[The Jerk]

As I said in post 18, I'm looking for value. If there's no value, then the risk tips me away from choosing him anytime before QB5 on average. QB 6-7, it's probably just a little bit of value, but anything after that, then it's value. I should also say that it isn't just about how many QBs have been drafted, but also the round of the draft. Obviously, there is a difference between 6 QBs being drafted by the end of round 3 and the same at the end of round 5.I agree that in most competitive leagues (90% maybe), it means I will probably be on the outside looking in when McNabb is drafted. I still think it's an accurate point, however. I know I'm not being aggressive here, but that's not might still. I'm not a huge FF risk taker, nor am I trying to look cool in the forums, I'm just saying that is the strategy I recommend.It's not much different than me saying I wouldn't take Peyton Manning until very late in the first round. In most leagues, that means I don't get him because I won't overpay. However, once in awhile, the situation will align in which the guys sitting near me late in the first round are all "stud RB" guys, so when I pick 2.02 I will have the opportunity to draft him.Bottom line: At the right price, he's worth it. If the price is too high, I'll pass.

VBD in a nutshell right there.

Case in point re: watching him go too early, I had targetted McNabb and Brady as potential outperformers of Manning this year only and was looking forward to my choice in round 4 based on 7th round and 5th round ADPs. After Portis fell to me (imo) at 3.02, I watched McNabb, Brady and Brees all disappear in the third round. Guess I just threw my league under the bus. Or 2 of these guys saw what I saw going in...

I'm not sure what you mean. If they drafted them too early or even at the exact right time, they're not necessarily gaining any advantage on you. With your picks, you can continue to build a stronger supporting cast and give your team a chance with strength at other positions to outscore those teams.It's not a bad thing to have people take QBs too early, as long as you don't reach for a lesser QB at the same time.

 

[The Jerk]

I never expected to get this much response from a little video. lol Must be the title. My basic point is McNabb will go lower than he did last year because of the knee injury, and you should not be be afraid to pick him. He is healthy, and ready to go. The video shows that he can plant that right leg, he can move well in the pocket, and he can still make some great throws. If you are that concerned, just make sure you get a decent backup.

Even with McNabb getting injured last year, he still finished in the top 10 in points of all players(yahoo). Right now According to Yahoo, he is ranked Q6, and 51st overall. You will be getting a top 10 player in possibly the 3rd or even 4th round of your draft. It is worth it! You should have already bagged your 2 rbs, and now you have a steal with McNabb to put your team over the top. Forget receivers, they barely get any points, and there are a million of them. You can still get 3 good enough receivers from rounds 4-8.

That's just annoying.

Which is annoying? The font, or the fact that his video led to a detailed breakdown of VBD vs. QB value vs. injury risk/reward, etc.

 

[H.K.]

I never expected to get this much response from a little video. lol Must be the title. My basic point is McNabb will go lower than he did last year because of the knee injury, and you should not be be afraid to pick him. He is healthy, and ready to go. The video shows that he can plant that right leg, he can move well in the pocket, and he can still make some great throws. If you are that concerned, just make sure you get a decent backup.

Even with McNabb getting injured last year, he still finished in the top 10 in points of all players(yahoo). Right now According to Yahoo, he is ranked Q6, and 51st overall. You will be getting a top 10 player in possibly the 3rd or even 4th round of your draft. It is worth it! You should have already bagged your 2 rbs, and now you have a steal with McNabb to put your team over the top. Forget receivers, they barely get any points, and there are a million of them. You can still get 3 good enough receivers from rounds 4-8.

That's just annoying.

I know....I wish I had thought of it first.

 

[jonessed]

I never expected to get this much response from a little video. lol Must be the title. My basic point is McNabb will go lower than he did last year because of the knee injury, and you should not be be afraid to pick him. He is healthy, and ready to go. The video shows that he can plant that right leg, he can move well in the pocket, and he can still make some great throws. If you are that concerned, just make sure you get a decent backup.

Even with McNabb getting injured last year, he still finished in the top 10 in points of all players(yahoo). Right now According to Yahoo, he is ranked Q6, and 51st overall. You will be getting a top 10 player in possibly the 3rd or even 4th round of your draft. It is worth it! You should have already bagged your 2 rbs, and now you have a steal with McNabb to put your team over the top. Forget receivers, they barely get any points, and there are a million of them. You can still get 3 good enough receivers from rounds 4-8.

That's just annoying.

Which is annoying? The font, or the fact that his video led to a detailed breakdown of VBD vs. QB value vs. injury risk/reward, etc.

The font.

 

[The Jerk]

Which is annoying? The font, or the fact that his video led to a detailed breakdown of VBD vs. QB value vs. injury risk/reward, etc.

The font.

I'm voting for both.

 

[Buckna]

I have never ever ever in my 17 years of playing fantasy only drafted 1 QB.

True, but if I had Manning/Brady I might consider it. I have to use the waiver wire anyway for kicker and defense etc. so why not my bye week QB?

This depends heavily on the league your in. Most of the ones I've been in, you are rarely going to find a passable starting QB out on the waiver wire so that makes getting your backup in the draft a priority. Knowing your league will affect your strategy.Those quoting a 4th round pick are a little off too. His most recent ADP right now according to Antsports is fifth round and 6th QB off the board (with Kitna just barely behind him.) I got him as the 7th QB at the start of the 6th round in a 12 teamer 2 days ago. That's value to me whether he only plays 10 games or not.

 

[Woz]

of the few camp session i saw, i thought his throws looked great. running is at about 80 percent

 

[moleculo]

I have never ever ever in my 17 years of playing fantasy only drafted 1 QB.

True, but if I had Manning/Brady I might consider it. I have to use the waiver wire anyway for kicker and defense etc. so why not my bye week QB?

oddly, I made this very argument yesterday.

 

[westbrook36]

I know my prediction looked bad after two weeks, but the problem with McNabb has been very simple. The knee brace was screwing up his footwork. He practiced without the brace all week, played today's game without it, and you see the results.

I know some of you are going to try and say that it was the lowly Lions defense, and that does does factor in somewhat, but from this point on McNabb will continue to play well. He finished the game with a 158.3 QB rating(perfect), and was extremely accurate. There were only 5 incompletion's, and three of those were dropped passes.

His mobility was also noticeably better without the brace. Start him now with confidence, all the way to the league championship.

If you did not see the game, here are some highlights.

 

[twitch]

It was ONE good game. It WAS the Lions. It was week 3. The fantasy playoffs dont start until atleast week 14, and if McNabb holds up and wins leagues for everyone, then Id say you should re-visit this thread. But after one good game in week 3 against the Lions for God's sake, Im happy for McNabb and Eagles fans that theyve now actually won a game, but give it a rest. He looked good. Dont do McNabb any favors and jinx the guy. wait until he's played atleast TWO good games in a row and beaten more of a quality opponent. Like maybe Cleveland.