McNabb isn't very bright (1 Viewer)

[Pat Patriot]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

Because I say you are a McNabb apologist, I am questioning your integrity? I am a Brady apologist. You give players you like the benefit of the doubt when you wouldnt give it to others. I'm just calling it what it is.Any true NFL fan knows that the posibility exists for ties in the NFL. If the average fan knows the rule, a 10 year veteran captain of the team should know the rule.

 

[Raider Nation]

Mcnabb was f'n terrible in this game and cost me my suicide poll. F U Mcnabb! And Reid is by far the worst coach in the NFL as well.

Reid is not CLOSE to being the worst coach in the NFL. Philly fans who echo this sentiment are so spoiled.I'll trade you 75 Tom Cable's for one Andy Reid right this instant.

 

[Interseptopus]

Mcnabb was f'n terrible in this game and cost me my suicide poll. F U Mcnabb! And Reid is by far the worst coach in the NFL as well.

Reid is not CLOSE to being the worst coach in the NFL. Philly fans who echo this sentiment are so spoiled.I'll trade you 75 Tom Cable's for one Andy Reid right this instant.

Andy Reid is a very good coach, but lately he's lost his touch. Too many passes, not enough to his best player Westbrook... I think his family situations have taken a toll on his coaching. I think it's time to move on for Philly. Good coaches out there this offseason to pick from

 

[blackjack23]

McNabb also said he'd hate to see what happens if that occurred in a playoff game or Super Bowl. LOL

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff Pasquino,

I'll ask again:

Is McNabb one of the team captains? If so, he would be out there for the coin flip in OT, and the refs always points out the rules of overtime before doing the flip, in which case, there would be NO EXCUSE for McNabb to not know, unless he has his thumb up his ### while the ref is going over everything.

very never thought of that. This is very true. No excuse for not paying attention.

The Kolb era can't come any faster... McNabb is a bum. Maybe Rush was right

He wasn't out there. I think LJ Smith called the flip.No question this is yet another black eye for the Eagles and McNabb, but I wanted to make sure that the coaches get thrown under the bus as well.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

Because I say you are a McNabb apologist, I am questioning your integrity? I am a Brady apologist. You give players you like the benefit of the doubt when you wouldnt give it to others. I'm just calling it what it is.Any true NFL fan knows that the posibility exists for ties in the NFL. If the average fan knows the rule, a 10 year veteran captain of the team should know the rule.

Never thought i would say/type this...but i agree with Pat Patriot. JP, you are WAYYYYYY beyond the realm of sanity on this one. I dont think anyone is questioning your integrity. I think the replies are just a reaction to a post that is totally oblivious to the truth. McNabb is a dolt for not knowing this. He was IN THE LEAGUE last time there was a tie. How you can not know the basic rules about your chosen profession is embarrassing at best and dangerous at worst. And it cant be the job of a coach at the professional level to teach the most basic of rules. Though the fact that Reid didnt know either shows he is just as big a dumb### as McNabb

 

[bcr8f]

You guys are too much. You know what he meant. Do you honestly believe he doesn't know about overtime.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have no issue with challenging my opinion. Dismissing it as the voice of a McNabb apologist is what I'm completely against. I'd say this about any QB or player who said this after the game.Apparently Chad 85 also said it? Did I read that earlier?

Any player that doesn't know a basic rule in the NFL should be held accountable. Only the player. Not the coaches. I'm sure the coaching staff provides each player with a rule book upon entering the NFL. The coaches cannot force them to read it.A Quarterback is held to a higher standard too. He should know every rule inside and out. He's the leader of the team. Seriously, what kind of leader does he look like if Hank Baskett comes into the huddle and says, "okay D let's really push the ball on this drive we can't take a tie and this is probably the last time we'll see the ball" McNabb- "huh? a tie? "

I agree with most of this, but if it were 100% true about just handing them a rulebook then they'd never have to practice scenarios and go over situations week after week.The Eagles are a poorly coached team and I'm glad that others are finally noticing.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Buckhalter and Avant also admitted to not knowing the OT rule, the Eagles are just not a well coached team.

 

[Interseptopus]

You guys are too much. You know what he meant. Do you honestly believe he doesn't know about overtime.

Yes I do. The reporter asked him a second time to clarify. McNabb tried to word it best he could to not sound like a #######

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

You guys are too much. You know what he meant. Do you honestly believe he doesn't know about overtime.

oh, please enlighten us...what exactly did he mean when he said (TWICE) that he did not know OT could end in a tie?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Mcnabb was f'n terrible in this game and cost me my suicide poll. F U Mcnabb! And Reid is by far the worst coach in the NFL as well.

Reid is not CLOSE to being the worst coach in the NFL. Philly fans who echo this sentiment are so spoiled.I'll trade you 75 Tom Cable's for one Andy Reid right this instant.

Andy Reid is a very good coach, but lately he's lost his touch. Too many passes, not enough to his best player Westbrook... I think his family situations have taken a toll on his coaching. I think it's time to move on for Philly. Good coaches out there this offseason to pick from

Reid is a great coach except on Gameday, then he's really bad.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

Because I say you are a McNabb apologist, I am questioning your integrity? I am a Brady apologist. You give players you like the benefit of the doubt when you wouldnt give it to others. I'm just calling it what it is.Any true NFL fan knows that the posibility exists for ties in the NFL. If the average fan knows the rule, a 10 year veteran captain of the team should know the rule.

Fair enough to say that but it isn't true. I'm a critic of McNabb far more often than you might imagine.He's infuriatingly streaky and shows no grit. Smiling after incompletions is not exactly what Philadelphians can relate to in their sports figures.

 

[Kevrunner]

At first I was on the "McNabb is an idiot" bandwagon, but after reading the thread here and also remembering Redskins Coach, Joe Gibbs, calling back to back timeouts last year during a field goal attempt, I am not as critical of McNabb, he should have known the rule, but it doesn't happen too often. Give the guy a break.

 

[Interseptopus]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.

Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.

Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.

As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40?

What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?

How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.

Disagree with the opinion? Fine.

Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

Because I say you are a McNabb apologist, I am questioning your integrity? I am a Brady apologist. You give players you like the benefit of the doubt when you wouldnt give it to others. I'm just calling it what it is.Any true NFL fan knows that the posibility exists for ties in the NFL. If the average fan knows the rule, a 10 year veteran captain of the team should know the rule.

Fair enough to say that but it isn't true. I'm a critic of McNabb far more often than you might imagine.He's infuriatingly streaky and shows no grit. Smiling after incompletions is not exactly what Philadelphians can relate to in their sports figures.

In WI we're used to that kind of thing. I'll admit, I miss that from time to time... though I don't miss those INTsNow back to the main topic- McNabb is an idiot

 

[Raider Nation]

Mcnabb was f'n terrible in this game and cost me my suicide poll. F U Mcnabb! And Reid is by far the worst coach in the NFL as well.

Reid is not CLOSE to being the worst coach in the NFL. Philly fans who echo this sentiment are so spoiled.I'll trade you 75 Tom Cable's for one Andy Reid right this instant.

Andy Reid is a very good coach, but lately he's lost his touch. Too many passes, not enough to his best player Westbrook... I think his family situations have taken a toll on his coaching. I think it's time to move on for Philly. Good coaches out there this offseason to pick from

Reid is a great coach except on Gameday, then he's really bad.

Wow, imagine how many consecutive championship games would he have coached in if he was capable!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Mcnabb was f'n terrible in this game and cost me my suicide poll. F U Mcnabb! And Reid is by far the worst coach in the NFL as well.

Reid is not CLOSE to being the worst coach in the NFL. Philly fans who echo this sentiment are so spoiled.I'll trade you 75 Tom Cable's for one Andy Reid right this instant.

Andy Reid is a very good coach, but lately he's lost his touch. Too many passes, not enough to his best player Westbrook... I think his family situations have taken a toll on his coaching. I think it's time to move on for Philly. Good coaches out there this offseason to pick from

Reid is a great coach except on Gameday, then he's really bad.

Wow, imagine how many consecutive championship games would he have coached in if he was capable!

This is a hijack, but when Reid took them to the NFC Championship games, the NFC was a walkover conference and the NFC East was a joke except for Philly. The Eagles won by big margins quite often, which masked his poor game day decisions like playcalling and clock management. Now that they aren't quite as good, the NFC and the NFC East are both better, they are in closer games where key coaching decisions matter. Reid doesn't shine there right now.Is it possible that he was better back than than he is now? Certainly. But right now, he's not a good game day coach at all. He's not Romeo Crennel bad, but it's getting there.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

players making millions ... don;t you think they'd make them read the rule book of the business that employs them? nah?figures.dumb jocks.

 

[Twilight]

On the subject of QB's that should know the rules, McNabb's division mate, Eli Manning, sure knew the ins and outs of passing and the line of scrimmage last week. Given that a good portion of us serious fans didn't know the details of that rule, I'm not going to actively rip McNabb, but I will say he definitely isn't the smartest QB in the NFC East.

 

[Ghost Rider]

On the subject of QB's that should know the rules, McNabb's division mate, Eli Manning, sure knew the ins and outs of passing and the line of scrimmage last week. Given that a good portion of us serious fans didn't know the details of that rule, I'm not going to actively rip McNabb, but I will say he definitely isn't the smartest QB in the NFC East.

That's a good point. A smart QB is a student of the game, knows all of the ins and outs, etc. The Manning brothers obviously are like that, as are many other QBs. McNabb doesn't appear to be one of those QBs. Not saying he isn't smart, but he obviously doesn't study every facet of the game like many other players do.

 

[travdogg]

On the subject of QB's that should know the rules, McNabb's division mate, Eli Manning, sure knew the ins and outs of passing and the line of scrimmage last week. Given that a good portion of us serious fans didn't know the details of that rule, I'm not going to actively rip McNabb, but I will say he definitely isn't the smartest QB in the NFC East.

Hell, John Madden didn't really know it and he has the highest winning % of any coach in NFL history.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

On the subject of QB's that should know the rules, McNabb's division mate, Eli Manning, sure knew the ins and outs of passing and the line of scrimmage last week. Given that a good portion of us serious fans didn't know the details of that rule, I'm not going to actively rip McNabb, but I will say he definitely isn't the smartest QB in the NFC East.

That's a good point. A smart QB is a student of the game, knows all of the ins and outs, etc. The Manning brothers obviously are like that, as are many other QBs. McNabb doesn't appear to be one of those QBs. Not saying he isn't smart, but he obviously doesn't study every facet of the game like many other players do.

That's a good observation, and a real indictment of McNabb. Considering that he wants to be known as a complete QB and not just an "athletic" or "scrambling" style QB, you'd think he'd make himself more knowledgable of the game as a whole.

 

[Raider Nation]

Slightly OT:

On Sirius NFL Radio, Ross Tucker said "If a tie is like kissing your sister, the Eagles must have one UGLY sister."

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

On the subject of QB's that should know the rules, McNabb's division mate, Eli Manning, sure knew the ins and outs of passing and the line of scrimmage last week. Given that a good portion of us serious fans didn't know the details of that rule, I'm not going to actively rip McNabb, but I will say he definitely isn't the smartest QB in the NFC East.

Hell, John Madden didn't really know it and he has the highest winning % of any coach in NFL history.

The rule has changed since then. I think it changed within the last few years. It used to be where the ball was released from.

 

[Raider Nation]

CINCINNATI - He didn't know. Donovan McNabb has played in the National Football League for a decade now, but he didn't know that a game can and will end in a tie if the score is still even after one 15-minute overtime session. McNabb knows now.

Here's a little more knowledge for Super Five: Confidence, in fact, isn't high. This season is over. That 13-13 tie with the Cincinnati Bengals, a team with one win all season, ensured that the Eagles are going nowhere. The playoffs? Forget about it.

In case McNabb didn't know this either, in all likelihood, his reign here in Philadelphia is just about over. That's not a lock, because Andy Reid is a supremely stubborn and loyal man. But with the Eagles at 5-4-1 - such a 1970s record if there ever was one - we probably are entering the final six-game slate of the Donovan McNabb era in Philadelphia.

Given how he helped resurrect this franchise, McNabb's tenure here shouldn't end this way - ugly and unsatisfying - but it's probably going to anyway.

If the Eagles miss the playoffs for the third time in four years, and there's absolutely no reason to think that they won't, someone has to go. Given the tight relationship in the front office, it's unlikely that Jeffrey Lurie will fire Joe Banner or Andy Reid. Reid won't let go of offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Maybe the triumvirate sacrifices general manager Tom Heckert, but really, what would that accomplish or who would that satisfy?

The likely scenario, despite Reid's undeniable bond with the man he selected out of Syracuse with the second pick in the 1999 draft, is that the Eagles will say thanks and goodbye to McNabb.

If they haven't already, the whispers will begin soon enough. Have you watched this Kevin Kolb kid? He sure looks good in practice. McNabb? He never did recover from that knee injury. Have you seen how reluctant he is to run?

And so it will begin.

For all the preseason talk about how strong he felt and what great shape he was in, McNabb hasn't exactly done much to prevent his exit. He hasn't orchestrated one of those come-from-behind fourth-quarter drives. He hasn't led the Eagles to those wins they should have gotten against Chicago and Washington. He hasn't overcome faulty coaching or bad play-calling.

Since the bye week, McNabb has been horribly erratic, completing just 53.8 percent of his passes in the last four games and throwing six touchdown passes and five interceptions. That 2-1-1 record since the bye week has not helped.

The first quarter? Forget about it. McNabb essentially has been a no-show this last month. Maybe the script has been bad, but McNabb hasn't been much better.

Against Atlanta, McNabb started 5 of 14 and the Eagles' first five drives ended in punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt. Their first five possessions against Seattle? Zero points, four punts. After a quick touchdown against the Giants last week, McNabb misfired on seven of his next nine passes, with four lost possessions.

Today's start against a team that had the league's 20th-ranked defense wasn't any better. McNabb started 1 of 5 against the Bengals with zero first downs and one fumble.

All the Eagles' offense really had to do against a team with shaken if not shattered confidence was start quickly and bury the Bengals early. But they couldn't do it. Receivers dropped passes. Brian Westbrook got few opportunities. And the Bengals hung around and the defense got bolder with every possession, batting down McNabb's passes, stepping in front of three for interceptions and forcing him to throw on the run.

The Bengals could have intercepted more, but in the end, it was enough. McNabb's numbers: 28 of 58 for 339 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. It was the third most attempts in Eagles history and four shy of Randall Cunningham's record of 62 set in 1989.

Three of those attempts came on third-and-1 attempts, which certainly wasn't McNabb's fault. It wasn't his fault, either, that Reid and Mornhinweg played for the tie when they elected to punt on fourth and 1 with 90 seconds left in overtime.

But history, the Eagles' history, will forget those details. It will remember that after the game McNabb said that, from the offense's perspective, "the confidence is high," which was hard to believe after so many drops, turnovers and missed opportunities. It will remember that McNabb wasn't crying for a sense of urgency. Rather, he stayed, true to form, even-keel as if the ship wasn't sinking.

And it will remember that, although there had only been 16 ties since the NFL went to a sudden-death, 15-minute overtime format in 1974, McNabb didn't know that games could end in ties. He wasn't alone - count Trent Cole, Omar Gaither, Quintin Mikell and Tra Thomas in McNabb's category - but he's the quarterback. He should've known.

"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."

Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."

Say thanks, and say farewell, because this season, like the quarterback's career here, is over.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sp...for_McNabb.html

 

[Ghost Rider]

I will be interested to see if this is mentioned on PTI tomorrow. Wilbon is a huge McNabb apologist, and Jaworski, who always appears on there in the Five Good Minutes segment on Mondays, is obviously a big fan of his, too, so we shall see. Really, there is no way to defend McNabb on this one. To not know is one thing, but to admit it to the media? That is why I said he isn't very bright.

 

[Challenge Everything]

By the way, the last tie (ATL/PIT)

Not sure if it was pointed out or not but when this occurred, McNabb was in the league. Does he not look at standings?

 

[Ghost Rider]

By the way, the last tie (ATL/PIT)

Not sure if it was pointed out or not but when this occurred, McNabb was in the league. Does he not look at standings?

He was too busy filming commercials back then to look at something as trivial as the NFL standings.

 

[crewmember]

By the way, the last tie (ATL/PIT)

Not sure if it was pointed out or not but when this occurred, McNabb was in the league. Does he not look at standings?

He was too busy filming commercials back then to look at something as trivial as the NFL standings.

Eagles were 12-4, who gives a #### about the 9-6-1 falcons. The falcons that Mcnabb made a great recovery from broken ankle to beat in Divisonal Playoff Round. But Kudos to you for staying on top of the standings.

 

[delusional]

McNabb wasnt the only one. Apparently ALOT of players on BOTH teams didnt know.

Heck I don't even think Reid knew but that doesnt say a whole lot

 

[Rovers]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

 

[crewmember]

Well it seems many players didn't know the overtime rules. But according to everyone here the coaches shouldn't tell them. Isn't it the coaches jobs to help the players in the mental aspect of the game? Do you think coaches ever tell players obvious things, like get out of bounds if you get the ball or protect the ball we are up 2 touchdowns. You guys are overblowing this thing, calling McNabb dumb. I don't understand how you can call him dumb for this. The possibility of a game going to a tie is very obscure. He's been in the league for 10 years, and this has never come up. It was just a weird, obscure thing and he didn't know the rules. He would be dumb if it happened again. Players were asking the trainers what the rules were during the OT. That would be as big as any que to the coaches to make sure everyone on the team should know. Now I'm not ready to crucify Reid or the coaches for this, if they assumed players knew the rules it's understandable but none the less a mistake. The players play and the coaches coach and if they can't do that then should just leave the sidelines because that's their job by definition. I assume many people are appalled that players didn't know this rule because they watch every game, every week and they have probaly had to change their underwear dreaming of a double overtime where their fantasy players could rack up some points. Mcnabb and other players are studying X's and O's every week, and when they are not playing and have time off, they are trying to get away from the game to clear their mind. They aren't wondering if their moneyline bet is gonna push if theres a tie.

 

[-baller]

that is freaking hilarious.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't know who gets the blame for him not knowing, or how many other players didn't know, or how it affected the way he played.

But I do know this: I'll bet Peyton Manning knew, and nobody would have to tell him. Some people are students of the game and some people just stumble through their career on the talent God gave them. If Brian Westbrook knows to slide down at the one to guarantee his team a victory rather than score a TD, some folks on the Eagles are paying attention. It's not unreasonable to expect that the quarterback understands what happens at the end of the quarter in which he's currently playing.

Like others said, it's not an obscure rule. It's how the league concludes a regular season game. It would be like a hockey player wondering why he's supposed to try and score against the goalie in something called a "shootout." At that level, after that much time behind center, how can you not know?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Well it seems many players didn't know the overtime rules. But according to everyone here the coaches shouldn't tell them. Isn't it the coaches jobs to help the players in the mental aspect of the game? Do you think coaches ever tell players obvious things, like get out of bounds if you get the ball or protect the ball we are up 2 touchdowns. You guys are overblowing this thing, calling McNabb dumb. I don't understand how you can call him dumb for this. The possibility of a game going to a tie is very obscure. He's been in the league for 10 years, and this has never come up. It was just a weird, obscure thing and he didn't know the rules. He would be dumb if it happened again. Players were asking the trainers what the rules were during the OT. That would be as big as any que to the coaches to make sure everyone on the team should know. Now I'm not ready to crucify Reid or the coaches for this, if they assumed players knew the rules it's understandable but none the less a mistake. The players play and the coaches coach and if they can't do that then should just leave the sidelines because that's their job by definition. I assume many people are appalled that players didn't know this rule because they watch every game, every week and they have probaly had to change their underwear dreaming of a double overtime where their fantasy players could rack up some points. Mcnabb and other players are studying X's and O's every week, and when they are not playing and have time off, they are trying to get away from the game to clear their mind. They aren't wondering if their moneyline bet is gonna push if theres a tie.

It happened during his career. Didn't he wonder why the Falcons and Steelers had the same score that week? Typo?

 

[Nipsey]

This isn't surprising. Most players don't know the rules. How about every time there's an incomplete shovel pass players on both sides pounce on the ball as if it's live? Every ####### time.

 

[RamMan]

I'm not sure it fair to call McNabb dumb. Intellectually lazy? Probably. I don't think you can be flat out "dumb" and succeed as an NFL QB as he has. Being a QB in the NFL, and a very good one as I believe McNabb has demonstrated time and again in his career, requires as much mental agility as physical. As for his Wonderlic score, there are many, many examples of people who aren't necessarily book smart and who may not "test" well but accomplish great things. They may not fit into the "box" that our society values as a demonstration of intelligence, but to rise to the top of any profession - especially one as exclusive and difficult as an NFL QB - requires some degree of quality between the ears. I'm not a McNabb or Eagle fan, by the way. Just think we should be careful labelling people. JMHO.

 

[rockalum]

yes he should probably know the freaking rule.

more importantly, in his 10th year, can someone figure out how he can complete a pass in the first quarter?

 

[cstu]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

The point is that IT'S NOT AN OBSCURE RULE. My goodness. What do you think McNabb thought? That there was a 2nd overtime period? That they had some sort of soccer league shootout where the kickers take turns kicking field goals? I like McNabb, but he's as dumb as dumb can be for not knowing that there's only one overtime period and that a game can end in a tie.

No, he just assumed that the game went on until someone scored - the way it should, actually.

 

[tdoss]

Every year, there is some monumental collapse from this team from the leadership position (QB & Coach) in regards to clock management.

There's just something fundamentally wrong with this team's clock management at the end of halves and OT.

I don't get it...how much longer does Philly put up with this nonsense out of McNabb and Reid?

 

[Ned]

This isn't surprising. Most players don't know the rules. How about every time there's an incomplete shovel pass players on both sides pounce on the ball as if it's live? Every ####### time.

I bet they are coached to be in the mindset that just about any time the ball hits the turf that they should jump on it just in case.

 

[Wrigley]

Ditka on Mike and Mike

"what other sport ends in a tie"? "why play if you can end in a tie"?

Um, have you ever heard of the most popular sport on the planet Mike? .....It's also call football.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Every year, there is some monumental collapse from this team from the leadership position (QB & Coach) in regards to clock management.There's just something fundamentally wrong with this team's clock management at the end of halves and OT.I don't get it...how much longer does Philly put up with this nonsense out of McNabb and Reid?

More importantly, why is nothing being done given that the playcalling and/or performance is so much WORSE this season???All we heard in pre-season was McNabb had his legs back and was going to dominate. Instead, we get 13pt ties with the Bengals.

 

[Tecumseh]

CINCINNATI - He didn't know. Donovan McNabb has played in the National Football League for a decade now, but he didn't know that a game can and will end in a tie if the score is still even after one 15-minute overtime session. McNabb knows now.

Here's a little more knowledge for Super Five: Confidence, in fact, isn't high. This season is over. That 13-13 tie with the Cincinnati Bengals, a team with one win all season, ensured that the Eagles are going nowhere. The playoffs? Forget about it.

In case McNabb didn't know this either, in all likelihood, his reign here in Philadelphia is just about over. That's not a lock, because Andy Reid is a supremely stubborn and loyal man. But with the Eagles at 5-4-1 - such a 1970s record if there ever was one - we probably are entering the final six-game slate of the Donovan McNabb era in Philadelphia.

Given how he helped resurrect this franchise, McNabb's tenure here shouldn't end this way - ugly and unsatisfying - but it's probably going to anyway.

If the Eagles miss the playoffs for the third time in four years, and there's absolutely no reason to think that they won't, someone has to go. Given the tight relationship in the front office, it's unlikely that Jeffrey Lurie will fire Joe Banner or Andy Reid. Reid won't let go of offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Maybe the triumvirate sacrifices general manager Tom Heckert, but really, what would that accomplish or who would that satisfy?

The likely scenario, despite Reid's undeniable bond with the man he selected out of Syracuse with the second pick in the 1999 draft, is that the Eagles will say thanks and goodbye to McNabb.

If they haven't already, the whispers will begin soon enough. Have you watched this Kevin Kolb kid? He sure looks good in practice. McNabb? He never did recover from that knee injury. Have you seen how reluctant he is to run?

And so it will begin.

For all the preseason talk about how strong he felt and what great shape he was in, McNabb hasn't exactly done much to prevent his exit. He hasn't orchestrated one of those come-from-behind fourth-quarter drives. He hasn't led the Eagles to those wins they should have gotten against Chicago and Washington. He hasn't overcome faulty coaching or bad play-calling.

Since the bye week, McNabb has been horribly erratic, completing just 53.8 percent of his passes in the last four games and throwing six touchdown passes and five interceptions. That 2-1-1 record since the bye week has not helped.

The first quarter? Forget about it. McNabb essentially has been a no-show this last month. Maybe the script has been bad, but McNabb hasn't been much better.

Against Atlanta, McNabb started 5 of 14 and the Eagles' first five drives ended in punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt. Their first five possessions against Seattle? Zero points, four punts. After a quick touchdown against the Giants last week, McNabb misfired on seven of his next nine passes, with four lost possessions.

Today's start against a team that had the league's 20th-ranked defense wasn't any better. McNabb started 1 of 5 against the Bengals with zero first downs and one fumble.

All the Eagles' offense really had to do against a team with shaken if not shattered confidence was start quickly and bury the Bengals early. But they couldn't do it. Receivers dropped passes. Brian Westbrook got few opportunities. And the Bengals hung around and the defense got bolder with every possession, batting down McNabb's passes, stepping in front of three for interceptions and forcing him to throw on the run.

The Bengals could have intercepted more, but in the end, it was enough. McNabb's numbers: 28 of 58 for 339 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. It was the third most attempts in Eagles history and four shy of Randall Cunningham's record of 62 set in 1989.

Three of those attempts came on third-and-1 attempts, which certainly wasn't McNabb's fault. It wasn't his fault, either, that Reid and Mornhinweg played for the tie when they elected to punt on fourth and 1 with 90 seconds left in overtime.

But history, the Eagles' history, will forget those details. It will remember that after the game McNabb said that, from the offense's perspective, "the confidence is high," which was hard to believe after so many drops, turnovers and missed opportunities. It will remember that McNabb wasn't crying for a sense of urgency. Rather, he stayed, true to form, even-keel as if the ship wasn't sinking.

And it will remember that, although there had only been 16 ties since the NFL went to a sudden-death, 15-minute overtime format in 1974, McNabb didn't know that games could end in ties. He wasn't alone - count Trent Cole, Omar Gaither, Quintin Mikell and Tra Thomas in McNabb's category - but he's the quarterback. He should've known.

"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."

Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."

Say thanks, and say farewell, because this season, like the quarterback's career here, is over.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sp...for_McNabb.html

Didn't see the game. Where on the field were the Eagles on the the 4th and 1 play with 90 seconds left?ETA: NM, found it. looks like they punted from their own 22. Can't really fault them there. If they fail, they lose.

 

[John Facenda]

After I heard McNabb's comments, I wondered if he might have played with more urgency on Philadelphia's drives in the OT had he known the rules. The Eagles killed my Survivor pool as well.

 

[John Facenda]

CINCINNATI - He didn't know. Donovan McNabb has played in the National Football League for a decade now, but he didn't know that a game can and will end in a tie if the score is still even after one 15-minute overtime session. McNabb knows now.

Here's a little more knowledge for Super Five: Confidence, in fact, isn't high. This season is over. That 13-13 tie with the Cincinnati Bengals, a team with one win all season, ensured that the Eagles are going nowhere. The playoffs? Forget about it.

In case McNabb didn't know this either, in all likelihood, his reign here in Philadelphia is just about over. That's not a lock, because Andy Reid is a supremely stubborn and loyal man. But with the Eagles at 5-4-1 - such a 1970s record if there ever was one - we probably are entering the final six-game slate of the Donovan McNabb era in Philadelphia.

Given how he helped resurrect this franchise, McNabb's tenure here shouldn't end this way - ugly and unsatisfying - but it's probably going to anyway.

If the Eagles miss the playoffs for the third time in four years, and there's absolutely no reason to think that they won't, someone has to go. Given the tight relationship in the front office, it's unlikely that Jeffrey Lurie will fire Joe Banner or Andy Reid. Reid won't let go of offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. Maybe the triumvirate sacrifices general manager Tom Heckert, but really, what would that accomplish or who would that satisfy?

The likely scenario, despite Reid's undeniable bond with the man he selected out of Syracuse with the second pick in the 1999 draft, is that the Eagles will say thanks and goodbye to McNabb.

If they haven't already, the whispers will begin soon enough. Have you watched this Kevin Kolb kid? He sure looks good in practice. McNabb? He never did recover from that knee injury. Have you seen how reluctant he is to run?

And so it will begin.

For all the preseason talk about how strong he felt and what great shape he was in, McNabb hasn't exactly done much to prevent his exit. He hasn't orchestrated one of those come-from-behind fourth-quarter drives. He hasn't led the Eagles to those wins they should have gotten against Chicago and Washington. He hasn't overcome faulty coaching or bad play-calling.

Since the bye week, McNabb has been horribly erratic, completing just 53.8 percent of his passes in the last four games and throwing six touchdown passes and five interceptions. That 2-1-1 record since the bye week has not helped.

The first quarter? Forget about it. McNabb essentially has been a no-show this last month. Maybe the script has been bad, but McNabb hasn't been much better.

Against Atlanta, McNabb started 5 of 14 and the Eagles' first five drives ended in punt, punt, fumble, punt, punt. Their first five possessions against Seattle? Zero points, four punts. After a quick touchdown against the Giants last week, McNabb misfired on seven of his next nine passes, with four lost possessions.

Today's start against a team that had the league's 20th-ranked defense wasn't any better. McNabb started 1 of 5 against the Bengals with zero first downs and one fumble.

All the Eagles' offense really had to do against a team with shaken if not shattered confidence was start quickly and bury the Bengals early. But they couldn't do it. Receivers dropped passes. Brian Westbrook got few opportunities. And the Bengals hung around and the defense got bolder with every possession, batting down McNabb's passes, stepping in front of three for interceptions and forcing him to throw on the run.

The Bengals could have intercepted more, but in the end, it was enough. McNabb's numbers: 28 of 58 for 339 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions. It was the third most attempts in Eagles history and four shy of Randall Cunningham's record of 62 set in 1989.

Three of those attempts came on third-and-1 attempts, which certainly wasn't McNabb's fault. It wasn't his fault, either, that Reid and Mornhinweg played for the tie when they elected to punt on fourth and 1 with 90 seconds left in overtime.

But history, the Eagles' history, will forget those details. It will remember that after the game McNabb said that, from the offense's perspective, "the confidence is high," which was hard to believe after so many drops, turnovers and missed opportunities. It will remember that McNabb wasn't crying for a sense of urgency. Rather, he stayed, true to form, even-keel as if the ship wasn't sinking.

And it will remember that, although there had only been 16 ties since the NFL went to a sudden-death, 15-minute overtime format in 1974, McNabb didn't know that games could end in ties. He wasn't alone - count Trent Cole, Omar Gaither, Quintin Mikell and Tra Thomas in McNabb's category - but he's the quarterback. He should've known.

"Maybe a lot of the guys haven't been in the league seven years," cornerback Sheldon Brown said, "but I know the rules."

Told his quarterback didn't know the rule, Mornhinweg said: "Yeah, um, yeah, but, uh, I don't know what to say on that one."

Say thanks, and say farewell, because this season, like the quarterback's career here, is over.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/sp...for_McNabb.html

Didn't see the game. Where on the field were the Eagles on the the 4th and 1 play with 90 seconds left?ETA: NM, found it. looks like they punted from their own 22. Can't really fault them there. If they fail, they lose.

Philadelphia Eagles at 01:50 1-10-PHI 13 (1:50) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short middle to 86-R.Brown (97-J.Thornton). {knocked down at the line of scrimmage}

2-10-PHI 13 (1:47) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass incomplete short left to 87-B.Celek (25-J.Fletcher). {Tipped at the line of scrimmage}

3-10-PHI 13 (1:42) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 80-K.Curtis to PHI 22 for 9 yards (97-J.Thornton).

Timeout #1 by CIN at 01:30.

4-1-PHI 22 (1:30) 6-S.Rocca punts 37 yards to CIN 41, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, downed by PHI-39-Q.Demps.

Cincinnati Bengals at 01:19

ETA: Sorry, was posting before the edit.....And I have to add, like coach Edwards says "You play to win the game". Philadelphia had to know they had no chance after punting with 90 seconds on the clock.

 

[Wu-banger]

.....I lost it when Mcnabb asked what they would do during the Super Bowl or Playoffs ..!!!!

CLASSIC....

PS - Not sure if the Playoffs or Super Bowl are something he needs to worry about.

 

[Limp Ditka]

.....I lost it when Mcnabb asked what they would do during the Super Bowl or Playoffs ..!!!!CLASSIC....PS - Not sure if the Playoffs or Super Bowl are something he needs to worry about.

Fantastic display of ignorance there.In the long run, it probably really doesn't matter if McNabb knows or not. The play calling is what's most important and that's coming from the sideline.But trying to deflect the blame from McNabb, for not knowing, to the coaching staff is one of the most comical things I've ever seen on this site. The fact that it's a staff member leading the charge only makes it more humorous.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

The superbowl/playoffs bit must be made up.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

Could you english this up a bit?