McNabb isn't very bright (1 Viewer)

[HoTnickZ]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

Could you english this up a bit?

Sure as soon as you tool it down a notch, cap'n.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

The superbowl/playoffs bit must be made up.

It's not made up. He basically said "I'd hate to see what happens in the playoffs or the Super Bowl when you have to settle for a tie."After that comment I wouldn't be surprised if he scored worse than Vince Young on his wonderlic test.

 

[Manster]

On the positive side, at least McNabb got through all five quarters without growing disoriented, dehydrated, and vomiting on the field, as he did against the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

The superbowl/playoffs bit must be made up.

It's not made up. He basically said "I'd hate to see what happens in the playoffs or the Super Bowl when you have to settle for a tie."After that comment I wouldn't be surprised if he scored worse than Vince Young on his wonderlic test.

Why does that comment make you think that?

 

[thehornet]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

players making millions ... don;t you think they'd make them read the rule book of the business that employs them? nah?figures.dumb jocks.

NO. Look at our financial institutes that are in shambles. Most of the people in charge have more degrees than they know what to do with and they simply didnt know the rules or were to ignorant to abide by them. Get off your high horse and zip your obnoxious mouth.

 

[Moniker]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.

We've lost a lot of good posters on this board and I hate to say it, but after this year we're probably going to lose a lot more.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Nothing more that some people like than to pile on Mcnabb.

The superbowl/playoffs bit must be made up.

It's not made up. He basically said "I'd hate to see what happens in the playoffs or the Super Bowl when you have to settle for a tie."After that comment I wouldn't be surprised if he scored worse than Vince Young on his wonderlic test.

Why does that comment make you think that?

How doesn't it? Questioning what happens in the post season is an obvious sign of his inability to solve a simple problem when presented with it.

 

[EaglesNest]

It's mindboggling to think that a 10 year QB in the NFL doesn't know overtime can end in a tie and that in the playoffs it can't end in a tie.

 

[EaglesNest]

I mean has he ever looked at the standings in the paper and saw

W - L - T and wondered what the T stands for.

It's mind blowing that he wouldn't know that.

 

[prefontaine]

I find this thread to be curious. People are too quick to assume because they are obsessed with something that the focus of their obsession should share the same passion for it. It's a job. Most players are casual fans at best because they live it. They want to get away from it.

Most casual fans probably couldn't tell you that there are ties in the NFL. Sure the population on this board knows that ties exist but this board is made up of hard core NFL fans. McNabb's comments don't show a lack of intelligence. They simply show a lack of fanaticism for the game.

 

[EaglesNest]

I find this thread to be curious. People are too quick to assume because they are obsessed with something that the focus of their obsession should share the same passion for it. It's a job. Most players are casual fans at best because they live it. They want to get away from it. Most casual fans probably couldn't tell you that there are ties in the NFL. Sure the population on this board knows that ties exist but this board is made up of hard core NFL fans. McNabb's comments don't show a lack of intelligence. They simply show a lack of fanaticism for the game.

I hear your point about it being a job...But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman. He's a starting QB. Is he really so passionless about the sport he plays that he doesn't know games can end in a tie and that there can't be ties in the playoffs. Wow. Anyway, I really hope this is his and Andy Reids last year here in Philly.

 

[The Jerk]

But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman.

I'm pretty sure that on average, OFFENSIVE linemen are among the smartest people on most NFL rosters. Defensive linemen in many cases are not, but mastering techniques and executing cohesively as a group of five (6-7 if you want to add TEs and/or FB) is in many ways more intellectually challenging then many skill positions.That said, I'm pretty sure intellectual aspects exist for the QB as well, so I get your point.

 

[The Jerk]

I find this thread to be curious. People are too quick to assume because they are obsessed with something that the focus of their obsession should share the same passion for it. It's a job. Most players are casual fans at best because they live it. They want to get away from it. Most casual fans probably couldn't tell you that there are ties in the NFL. Sure the population on this board knows that ties exist but this board is made up of hard core NFL fans. McNabb's comments don't show a lack of intelligence. They simply show a lack of fanaticism for the game.

This is a pretty fair post, but it might be just a bit too lenient wrt what a veteran starting QB in the NFL should likely know about the game. I would think the Eagles play at least an average of one OT a year, so the opportunity to learn unique rules that apply to OT didn't just happen yesterday.More to the point, McNabb wasn't asked a question concerning the nuanaces of VBD vs. ADP or the merits of owning two WRs from the same team vs. different teams or utilizing a sliding scale for PPR to even out production across positions. No, he just didn't understand a fundamental rule about the game he has played professionally for a decade.If by casual fan you mean Super Bowl only fan, then I'd agree more with you. I think a majority of casual fans would know or even logically deduce what happens at the end of the regular season OT. I do agree wholeheartedly that these forums are no basis for anything remotely casual about football.

 

[EaglesNest]

But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman.

I'm pretty sure that on average, OFFENSIVE linemen are among the smartest people on most NFL rosters. Defensive linemen in many cases are not, but mastering techniques and executing cohesively as a group of five (6-7 if you want to add TEs and/or FB) is in many ways more intellectually challenging then many skill positions.That said, I'm pretty sure intellectual aspects exist for the QB as well, so I get your point.

I hear what you're saying. I didn't use offensive lineman as an example of lack of intelligence. I was using it as an example for a player that might see their role as just "doing a job". OLineman are often overlooked, they usually get less money....a lot of fans can't even name all the OLinemen on their own team let along know who any of the guys are on other teams.It might not be a great example...but my main point is that the Quarterback position is so highly valued and shines such a spotlight on a player.....it's a huge responsibility to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL....I would like to think that to a player in his position that it is a little more than just a job to him.

 

[The Jerk]

But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman.

I'm pretty sure that on average, OFFENSIVE linemen are among the smartest people on most NFL rosters. Defensive linemen in many cases are not, but mastering techniques and executing cohesively as a group of five (6-7 if you want to add TEs and/or FB) is in many ways more intellectually challenging then many skill positions.That said, I'm pretty sure intellectual aspects exist for the QB as well, so I get your point.

I hear what you're saying. I didn't use offensive lineman as an example of lack of intelligence. I was using it as an example for a player that might see their role as just "doing a job". OLineman are often overlooked, they usually get less money....a lot of fans can't even name all the OLinemen on their own team let along know who any of the guys are on other teams.It might not be a great example...but my main point is that the Quarterback position is so highly valued and shines such a spotlight on a player.....it's a huge responsibility to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL....I would like to think that to a player in his position that it is a little more than just a job to him.

That's an interesting perspective that I was not really considering. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your post.

 

[EaglesNest]

That's an interesting perspective that I was not really considering. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your post.

No problem....and obviously it gets under my skin a bit more since I am an Eagles fan and hearing him say that after he had such a terrible game...Frustrating.

 

[Ozymandias]

I didn't think any qb could be dumber than Jeff George.

But he now has competition...I wonder if it would end in a tie?

 

[prefontaine]

But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman.

I'm pretty sure that on average, OFFENSIVE linemen are among the smartest people on most NFL rosters. Defensive linemen in many cases are not, but mastering techniques and executing cohesively as a group of five (6-7 if you want to add TEs and/or FB) is in many ways more intellectually challenging then many skill positions.That said, I'm pretty sure intellectual aspects exist for the QB as well, so I get your point.

I hear what you're saying. I didn't use offensive lineman as an example of lack of intelligence. I was using it as an example for a player that might see their role as just "doing a job". OLineman are often overlooked, they usually get less money....a lot of fans can't even name all the OLinemen on their own team let along know who any of the guys are on other teams.It might not be a great example...but my main point is that the Quarterback position is so highly valued and shines such a spotlight on a player.....it's a huge responsibility to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL....I would like to think that to a player in his position that it is a little more than just a job to him.

I can understand the perspective (and as an Eagles fan the frustration) but McNabb has never really struck me as that kind of guy. He is pretty laid back and never really seems to be super-competitive. I would bet he really does see this as a job. I happen to know a guy that pitched in the major leagues for 6-7 years and made a crapload of money at it. I don't think he could even tell you all the teams in the AL Central (the division he played in for a bit). He never watched the game growing up and hasn't since he retired. Smart guy. Just isn't that into sports as a fan (he plays and is good at virtually every sport).

 

[Manster]

It's mindboggling to think that a 10 year QB in the NFL doesn't know overtime can end in a tie and that in the playoffs it can't end in a tie.

this should have been the end of the thread. nothing else to add, but.......

I find this thread to be curious. People are too quick to assume because they are obsessed with something that the focus of their obsession should share the same passion for it. It's a job. Most players are casual fans at best because they live it. They want to get away from it. Most casual fans probably couldn't tell you that there are ties in the NFL. Sure the population on this board knows that ties exist but this board is made up of hard core NFL fans. McNabb's comments don't show a lack of intelligence. They simply show a lack of fanaticism for the game.

i get what you are saying, but i have to disagree a bit.not knowing this rule, as an NFL QB, is what i find curious. the way i see it, he might have played with a little more urgency had he knew there wasn't a second OT. and what about his teammates? did the whole team not know? did they just not discuss it, assuming everyone knew? seems like this would be common knowledge amongst players, imo.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Reid is now taking responsibility for McNabb, and apparently many of the other players' ignorance with regards to the rules of overtime. McNabb's comments are priceless.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Tie? What tie?

Thanks to Donovan McNabb, players around the league now must know there doesn't have to be a winner or loser in every regular-season game. Yes, there are ties in the NFL. They just don't happen too often.

A day after the Philadelphia Eagles and Cincinnati Bengals played a 13-13 tie -- the league's first since 2002 -- the focus wasn't on how poorly the teams performed on the field. Instead, everyone wanted to know how it's possible some professional football players, especially a 10-year veteran such as McNabb, don't know simple rules about overtimes games.

"I'm sure there are plenty of rules that guys don't understand, but I don't think that has any factor whatsoever to do with the outcome of this game and how they played in the overtime," Eagles coach Andy Reid said Monday. "I think that's absurd. You play to win in that time, whether you think you have another overtime period or you don't. And you play your heart out to win it in that time, and that's how we approached it and that's how the players approached it."

Reid ignored the point. Whether the players' ignorance about the overtime rule affected the outcome is debatable. It's inconceivable and embarrassing that some of them didn't know a game can end in a tie.

"I'll take the responsibility for that," Reid said.

Reid deserves plenty of blame for the Eagles' struggles this season and their inability to beat the lowly Bengals (1-8-1), but coaches shouldn't have to walk up and down the sideline telling players that overtime is do-or-die.

The Eagles (5-4-1) now have played 12 OT games, including one in the playoffs, since McNabb joined the team in 1999. Yet, the five-time Pro Bowl quarterback didn't know ties were possible until his desperation pass fell incomplete at the end of the fifth quarter.

"I've never been a part of a tie. I never even knew that was in the rule book," McNabb said after the game. "It's part of the rules, and we have to go with it. I was looking forward to getting the opportunity to get out there and try to drive to win the game. But unfortunately, with the rules, we settled with a tie."

The overtime rule isn't an obscure one. It was adopted fully by the NFL in 1974 and 17 games have since ended tied. The Eagles have been involved in four of those games.

"I guess we're aware of it now," McNabb said. "In college, there are multiple overtimes, and in high school and Pop Warner. I never knew in the professional ranks it would end that way. I hate to see what would happen in the Super Bowl and in the playoffs."

Uh, they keep playing if it's tied in the playoffs or Super Bowl. But McNabb apparently didn't know that, either.

In his defense, McNabb wasn't the only one oblivious to the rules. Several of his teammates were just as clueless.

"Me and Greg Lewis were discussing it on the sideline, so we asked one of our trainers and he told us it ends in a tie," running back Correll Buckhalter said.

"I found out while we were in OT," rookie wideout DeSean Jackson said.

"I thought we kept playing," linebacker Omar Gaither said.

McNabb was unavailable to reporters on Monday. A spokesman for the QB said McNabb told him he wished he knew the rule and wasn't going to make any excuses for not knowing it.

McNabb's comments took some of the heat off a miserable performance. He tied a career high with three interceptions, lost a fumble and completed fewer than half his passes (28-for-58).

Still, the Eagles remain in the NFC's playoff picture, though they hardly look like a team worthy of playing in January. Philadelphia is a half-game behind Washington, Dallas and Atlanta for the final wild-card spot with games against the Redskins and Cowboys the last two weeks.

The schedule doesn't help. Five of the last six opponents have winning records, with a trip to Baltimore (6-4) up next.

"We're going to get it straight is what we are going to do," Reid said. "We're going to work a little harder, up the concentration level, and make sure we do the right thing. I've seen our offense play well, I've seen our defense play well, and I've seen our special teams play well, and I just want to see them do it all together in one game. And when we do, we've got one heck of a football team."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/foot...b.ap/index.html

 

[money.never.sleeps]

A bit obnoxious in attacking Mcnabb so strongly concerning this, in my opinion..

BUT I do agree he should know the rule.

 

[w3junky]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

Jesus give it up.

 

[nashua55]

I just saw the Mcnabb interview for the first time and after reading the posts I feel sorry for the dude. Should he have known, yeah, but cut the guy some slack, he made a mistake. Its not like he mowed down two people while driving drunk. He is human and people make mistakes.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Reid is now taking responsibility for McNabb, and apparently many of the other players' ignorance with regards to the rules of overtime. McNabb's comments are priceless.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/foot...b.ap/index.html

i dont even need to read the article to know what he said:"I've got to put my players in better positions"

"We'll go back and watch the tape and then evaluate from there".

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation.

GOOD!!!!!

 

[Rovers]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

Jesus give it up.

I did, until you bumped my post. Some staffer that I don't agree with calls me out as some poster boy for all that is wrong with the shark pool.... I should just shut up and agree with him? OK there, pal. Whatever you say too.

 

[w3junky]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

Jesus give it up.

I did, until you bumped my post. Some staffer that I don't agree with calls me out as some poster boy for all that is wrong with the shark pool.... I should just shut up and agree with him? OK there, pal. Whatever you say too.

And keeps going, and going, and going, lol

 

[Kevrunner]

Give McNabb a break, you guys are being way to hard on him. Compared to our future president not knowing how many states are in the United States, link provided, this McNabb issue of not knowing the OT rule and calling him "not very bright" is really being unfair and insensitive to McNabb. I am sure McNabb knows the OT rules now, as well as I am sure that our new president knows how many states are in the United States now.

 

[crewmember]

Well it seems many players didn't know the overtime rules. But according to everyone here the coaches shouldn't tell them. Isn't it the coaches jobs to help the players in the mental aspect of the game? Do you think coaches ever tell players obvious things, like get out of bounds if you get the ball or protect the ball we are up 2 touchdowns. You guys are overblowing this thing, calling McNabb dumb. I don't understand how you can call him dumb for this. The possibility of a game going to a tie is very obscure. He's been in the league for 10 years, and this has never come up. It was just a weird, obscure thing and he didn't know the rules. He would be dumb if it happened again. Players were asking the trainers what the rules were during the OT. That would be as big as any que to the coaches to make sure everyone on the team should know. Now I'm not ready to crucify Reid or the coaches for this, if they assumed players knew the rules it's understandable but none the less a mistake. The players play and the coaches coach and if they can't do that then should just leave the sidelines because that's their job by definition. I assume many people are appalled that players didn't know this rule because they watch every game, every week and they have probaly had to change their underwear dreaming of a double overtime where their fantasy players could rack up some points. Mcnabb and other players are studying X's and O's every week, and when they are not playing and have time off, they are trying to get away from the game to clear their mind. They aren't wondering if their moneyline bet is gonna push if theres a tie.

It happened during his career. Didn't he wonder why the Falcons and Steelers had the same score that week? Typo?

No typo. It never did come up in a game he was involved in. One game in the league ended in a tie in ten years, that's an average of .10 tie games a year. I'm sure you had Jerome Bettis in a big fantasy matchup, so you were on right on top of things but I doubt McNabb was watching NFL Primetime after he came home from losing to the Colts 35-13.

 

[Ghost Rider]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules.

 

[crewmember]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Jeff, I thought you were the only one that was CRAZY. Now NFL analyst, players and coaches agree with you.I don't know how anyone says the Coaches are 100 percent not at fault here. It's their job by definition. This is what they do, they coach the players, they prepare the players. When it's a good portion of the team that doesn't know there is an OT, then there has to be some responsibility. The players should know ideally, but it's as if people don't think the coaches should tell them out of principle. If baseball managers can be held responsible for their players not hitting or not pitching, then surely football coaches can be held responsible for players not knowing the situation in a game. But of all the mistakes that happen during the season, this OT thing is hardly a big deal at all. I don't think it really effected the game much if none at all.Don't get me wrong, McNabb should know. But it's something I'm not gonna hold against him too hard because it was just being ignorant about something that was embarrasing not to know. It wasn't something he refused to learn, or really didn't understand through laziness or stupidity. I would be much more upset if say, he didn't prepare hard enough for the opposing team or he there was an aspect of the game he just couldn't seem to pickup.

 

[crewmember]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules.

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Give McNabb a break, you guys are being way to hard on him. Compared to our future president not knowing how many states are in the United States, link provided, this McNabb issue of not knowing the OT rule and calling him "not very bright" is really being unfair and insensitive to McNabb. I am sure McNabb knows the OT rules now, as well as I am sure that our new president knows how many states are in the United States now.

Said 57, meant 47. McNabb should have known the rule. For the amount of people wanting individuals to take personal responsibility... knowing the rules falls into that category. He should have long ago read the rule book while eating some Chunky's soup.

 

[crewmember]

Give McNabb a break, you guys are being way to hard on him. Compared to our future president not knowing how many states are in the United States, link provided, this McNabb issue of not knowing the OT rule and calling him "not very bright" is really being unfair and insensitive to McNabb. I am sure McNabb knows the OT rules now, as well as I am sure that our new president knows how many states are in the United States now.

This reading the rule book thing seems a bit much to me. You think other QBs sit down and go through the whole rule book. I think Mcnabb knows mostly all the rules(except OT) without reading the book. And I think most QBs know all the rules(and OT) without reading the book. Yes I admit, the Mannings have probaly read the whole book(they are geeks). But outside them I doubt any at all have gone through it. We're treating this rule book like it's the USGA rule book. I doubt any athletes but golfers read their sports rule book, or are expected to.

 

[NoFBinLA]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules.

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

It was boneheaded by both sides -Reid and company should have reminded the team............and McNabb shouldn't have needed it.

 

[crewmember]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules.

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

It was boneheaded by both sides -Reid and company should have reminded the team............and McNabb shouldn't have needed it.

Basically the best post in this thread. Don't know how anyone could disagree.

 

[Diamond One]

On the positive side, at least McNabb got through all five quarters without growing disoriented, dehydrated, and vomiting on the field, as he did against the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

He saved his disorientation for that interview...

After I heard McNabb's comments, I wondered if he might have played with more urgency on Philadelphia's drives in the OT had he known the rules. The Eagles killed my Survivor pool as well.

A sense of urgency. That's one of the things that has always frustrated me about McNabb. Is it just me or does he not seem to have one?

I didn't think any qb could be dumber than Jeff George.

But he now has competition...I wonder if it would end in a tie?

Reminds me of that old joke (apologies in advance): The definition of Endless Love? Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder playing tennis... I also agree with the many others here… McNabb should have known about the rule. Incredible. Typical. Philadelphia Eagles and their executive leadership (ahem) at their finest.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules. :(

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

It was boneheaded by both sides -Reid and company should have reminded the team............and McNabb shouldn't have needed it.

Basically the best post in this thread. Don't know how anyone could disagree.

This was exactly what I was trying to say all along, and Andrew nailed it very nicely and succinctly. Well done.

 

[NoFBinLA]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules. :(

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

It was boneheaded by both sides -Reid and company should have reminded the team............and McNabb shouldn't have needed it.

Basically the best post in this thread. Don't know how anyone could disagree.

This was exactly what I was trying to say all along, and Andrew nailed it very nicely and succinctly. Well done.

Thanks you gentleman. I think we all just throw our hands up sometimes at these guys - the Cleveland/Buff game is another good example. Sometimes coaches and players do things that make our heads spin.That's why you always have to have your head on a swivel.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.Disagree with the opinion? Fine.Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

Jesus give it up.

I did, until you bumped my post. Some staffer that I don't agree with calls me out as some poster boy for all that is wrong with the shark pool.... I should just shut up and agree with him? OK there, pal. Whatever you say too.

And keeps going, and going, and going, lol

Rovers,I've never singled you out before nor had an issue with you.Perhaps I shouldn't have made the "what's wrong with the Shark Pool" comment in a response to your questions. I'll apologize for that.However the tone of your response wasn't so hot. It was very much like no one in their right mind could believe what I did, which is counterproductive to good discussions. Hopefully you can see that, right?I'm willing to be the bigger man here and say I am wrong to single you out like this and we can just move on.-JP

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

ESPN Pre-game - some threw the coaches under the bus for lack of preparation. GOOD!!!!!

Keyshawn Johnson was the most outspoken about the coaches also being at fault, but Tom Jackson and especially Cris Carter were pretty adamant about it being McNabb's responsibility to know stuff like that. You can tell that Carter wanted to really let him have it, but being an ex-player, he held back. Ditka just babbled on and on about changing the OT rules. :(

Tom Jackson I thought bashed the coaches not being prepared. He said his ex-coach told them things that were very obvious. Dilfer also said coaches should help but as a QB your the franchise and have a huge responsibility. I don't think anyone would say McNabb shouldn't know, but it's coaches jobs to prepare players. They were both at fault but McNabb didn't stop playing here but the coaches did stop coaching. When it's a good chunk of the team, it has to get to a point where you stop pointing to certain individual players.

It was boneheaded by both sides -Reid and company should have reminded the team............and McNabb shouldn't have needed it.

Basically the best post in this thread. Don't know how anyone could disagree.

This was exactly what I was trying to say all along, and Andrew nailed it very nicely and succinctly. Well done.

Thanks you gentleman. I think we all just throw our hands up sometimes at these guys - the Cleveland/Buff game is another good example. Sometimes coaches and players do things that make our heads spin.That's why you always have to have your head on a swivel.

Hey, gives me more and more material for my Hot Reads column.....

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I didn't think any qb could be dumber than Jeff George.

But he now has competition...I wonder if it would end in a tie?

Ryan Leaf would give him a run for his money.

 

[Broadway Joe]

But the man is a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Not just some random offensive lineman.

I'm pretty sure that on average, OFFENSIVE linemen are among the smartest people on most NFL rosters. Defensive linemen in many cases are not, but mastering techniques and executing cohesively as a group of five (6-7 if you want to add TEs and/or FB) is in many ways more intellectually challenging then many skill positions.That said, I'm pretty sure intellectual aspects exist for the QB as well, so I get your point.

I hear what you're saying. I didn't use offensive lineman as an example of lack of intelligence. I was using it as an example for a player that might see their role as just "doing a job". OLineman are often overlooked, they usually get less money....a lot of fans can't even name all the OLinemen on their own team let along know who any of the guys are on other teams.It might not be a great example...but my main point is that the Quarterback position is so highly valued and shines such a spotlight on a player.....it's a huge responsibility to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL....I would like to think that to a player in his position that it is a little more than just a job to him.

I can understand the perspective (and as an Eagles fan the frustration) but McNabb has never really struck me as that kind of guy. He is pretty laid back and never really seems to be super-competitive. I would bet he really does see this as a job. I happen to know a guy that pitched in the major leagues for 6-7 years and made a crapload of money at it. I don't think he could even tell you all the teams in the AL Central (the division he played in for a bit). He never watched the game growing up and hasn't since he retired. Smart guy. Just isn't that into sports as a fan (he plays and is good at virtually every sport).

Did he know about ball and strikes? Did he know to cover home on a WP with a runner on 3rd?

 

[Broadway Joe]

Chalk Line Method:

Draw a straight chalk mark about a foot long.

Hold the McNabb with its beak on one end of the line, staring straight out at the chalk mark.

In a few seconds, the McNabb will be hypnotized.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

players making millions ... don;t you think they'd make them read the rule book of the business that employs them? nah?figures.dumb jocks.

NO. Look at our financial institutes that are in shambles. Most of the people in charge have more degrees than they know what to do with and they simply didnt know the rules or were to ignorant to abide by them. Get off your high horse and zip your obnoxious mouth.

f you - now you are just making crap up, blaming the economy on stupidity? please. lots of people saw it coming, but that is a whole different subject. ASccept it - the guy is a #######, ignorant of the rules of the game he is played millions to play. what a maroooooooon.

 

[identikit]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.

Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.

Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.

As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40?

What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?

How many 10-year vets know those rules?

You are trying to compare obscure rules to a very basic one. Pulling the "why people don't post in the shark pool" thing.... wow. Yes, everyone has a right to there opinions... like the "Free money" SEA/AZ thread. This has gotten rather bizarre.... because JP has an opinion no one else shares, it's some prototypical post about volatility in the shark pool? OK, Jeff.... whatever you say.

I've never shyed away from a discussion in the SP. In fact I probably post more than any other staffer.It's the allegations that I can't be unbiased about an Eagle making a comment that I have a problem with.

Disagree with the opinion? Fine.

Question the integrity of it? Not cool.

I fail to see where I ever called into question your integrity here. Yes, I disagree strongly with your opinion, but I never went beyond that. I think your defense of McNabb is beyond a stretch, but... I have to say... what is not cool here is you using my albeit strong opposing opinion as some template for what's wrong with the shark pool, or saying I was "not cool" in questioning the "integrity" of your opinion, which I did not do. Incredibly misguided I believe, yes, but lacking integrity? Quote me where I "insinuated" that your opinion lacked integrity. Gimmee a freakin break. Don't make me your scape goat for an opinion few, if any others share just to defend it. Because THAT is not cool.

Jesus give it up.

I did, until you bumped my post. Some staffer that I don't agree with calls me out as some poster boy for all that is wrong with the shark pool.... I should just shut up and agree with him? OK there, pal. Whatever you say too.

And keeps going, and going, and going, lol

Rovers,I've never singled you out before nor had an issue with you.

Perhaps I shouldn't have made the "what's wrong with the Shark Pool" comment in a response to your questions. I'll apologize for that.

However the tone of your response wasn't so hot. It was very much like no one in their right mind could believe what I did, which is counterproductive to good discussions. Hopefully you can see that, right?

I'm willing to be the bigger man here and say I am wrong to single you out like this and we can just move on.

-JP

 

[thehornet]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40? What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?How many 10-year vets know those rules?

players making millions ... don;t you think they'd make them read the rule book of the business that employs them? nah?figures.dumb jocks.

NO. Look at our financial institutes that are in shambles. Most of the people in charge have more degrees than they know what to do with and they simply didnt know the rules or were to ignorant to abide by them. Get off your high horse and zip your obnoxious mouth.

f you - now you are just making crap up, blaming the economy on stupidity? please. lots of people saw it coming, but that is a whole different subject. ASccept it - the guy is a #######, ignorant of the rules of the game he is played millions to play. what a maroooooooon.

im not making up anything. You apparently don't know jack about te economy our our country's financial health. I won't even argue with you about it because you are so ignorant.Do you know anything about credit default swaps? Don't answer because I know you dont. And neither do half of the executives that allowed the traders to run amuck with these types of risky bets. Why do you think it is taking companies like pricewater and blackrock MONTHS to tear apart a companies balance sheet? It's because they have no idea the value or if these instruments are worth anything at all.Point is, nobody knows everything about their industry.

 

[renesauz]

As a lifelong die-hard Eagles fan, I'm far more concerned about McNabb's recent streakiness (he's never been quite this dramatic in his streaks) then his intimate knowledge of OT rules.

It's embarassing for him, but hardly the end of the world. There are far bigger concerns in Philly, and I don't think this particular one even makes the list.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Some of the comments in this thread are exactly why some people hate to post in the Shark Pool anymore.

Believe it or not, people are entitled to opinions.

Mine is that there are players that don't know every single rule in the league, and that the coaches' job is to remind them of rarely used rules so that the player can perform better and make intelligent decisions.

As for not knowing something that happens once every 5 years or so, what about the rule that a kick returner can step out of bounds and then reach in bounds for a kickoff, thereby drawing a penalty and getting the ball on the 40?

What about a fair catch of a kick followed by a free kick for a field goal?

How many 10-year vets know those rules?

players making millions ... don;t you think they'd make them read the rule book of the business that employs them? nah?figures.

dumb jocks.

NO. Look at our financial institutes that are in shambles. Most of the people in charge have more degrees than they know what to do with and they simply didnt know the rules or were to ignorant to abide by them. Get off your high horse and zip your obnoxious mouth.

f you - now you are just making crap up, blaming the economy on stupidity? please. lots of people saw it coming, but that is a whole different subject. ASccept it - the guy is a #######, ignorant of the rules of the game he is played millions to play. what a maroooooooon.

im not making up anything. You apparently don't know jack about te economy our our country's financial health. I won't even argue with you about it because you are so ignorant.Do you know anything about credit default swaps? Don't answer because I know you dont. And neither do half of the executives that allowed the traders to run amuck with these types of risky bets. Why do you think it is taking companies like pricewater and blackrock MONTHS to tear apart a companies balance sheet? It's because they have no idea the value or if these instruments are worth anything at all.

Point is, nobody knows everything about their industry.

Is this playing nice in the Shark Pool?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I find this thread to be curious. People are too quick to assume because they are obsessed with something that the focus of their obsession should share the same passion for it. It's a job. Most players are casual fans at best because they live it. They want to get away from it. Most casual fans probably couldn't tell you that there are ties in the NFL. Sure the population on this board knows that ties exist but this board is made up of hard core NFL fans. McNabb's comments don't show a lack of intelligence. They simply show a lack of fanaticism for the game.

I don't know how saying that it's a job excuses him at all. If anything, it makes it worse! I don't know what you do, but I'm expected to understand how to do my job, the laws governing my job, how to complete forms, calculate numbers, etc. It's McNabb's JOB to know the rules of the game. I don't expect him to know the whole history of the NFL, or how many yards receiving Lee Evans averages each year, but he absolutely SHOULD know the rules. I'm even willing to give some slack to a guy if he doesn't know that you can elect a free kick FG try after calling for a fair catch, but how overtime works is a pretty basic part of the game. I also don't want to hear about how McNabb not knowing the rule didn't affect anything since he was just running Reid's plays anyway. There was no sense of urgency out there at all by McNabb. The Eagles even got called for a delay of game penalty in overtime! If he had known that the game could end in a tie, perhaps he would have had a little more urgency and conserved quite a bit of time.