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....that he wonJoe Montana hyperventilated and nearly passed out during the key drive of a Super Bowl.It took me one more season after that but that's a good posting. My star QB was throwing up and hyper-ventilating during the Super Bowl!And people wonder why we're done with him.
Oh yes, Joe Montana, remembered best for choking in the big games.
This always seemed like the best fit imo. Mcnabb works out in Arizona and he has the right skills for that offense.
You say fans, yet it is Andy, Joe & Howie that are in discussions with other teams. Fans have nothing to do with it. Think about it - maybe some fans actually think the same way the Eagles front office is thinking. That the time has come to start over. Let the next franchise QB grow the young talent they have assembled.But make no mistake, the fans are not making the calls for the Eagles. The fans did not make KK the first pick in the '07 draft. That was all Andy and Joe. Since you have taken to calling all fans with a differing view than yours a "knucklehead", maybe you should reserve your name calling for the Eagles front office. Ya know, since they are the ones calling all the shots. Some fans just find themselves in agreement with them.Unfortunately it's because fans always think that the long shot, low probability outcome (that Kolb will be better than McNabb in this case) is a far greater likelihood than history dictates.After seeing Andy Reid deny any interest in Vick about two days before the Eagles signed him, I'm not paying that much attention to denials.
Arizona is one of the worst scenarios for the Eagles fans. We've seen what McNabb can do with a stud WR and I think he'd be much better suited for their offense than another WCO.
You cant talk to JW when it comes to McNabb, he has way too big of a man crush on him.You say fans, yet it is Andy, Joe & Howie that are in discussions with other teams. Fans have nothing to do with it. Think about it - maybe some fans actually think the same way the Eagles front office is thinking. That the time has come to start over. Let the next franchise QB grow the young talent they have assembled.But make no mistake, the fans are not making the calls for the Eagles. The fans did not make KK the first pick in the '07 draft. That was all Andy and Joe. Since you have taken to calling all fans with a differing view than yours a "knucklehead", maybe you should reserve your name calling for the Eagles front office. Ya know, since they are the ones calling all the shots. Some fans just find themselves in agreement with them.Unfortunately it's because fans always think that the long shot, low probability outcome (that Kolb will be better than McNabb in this case) is a far greater likelihood than history dictates.After seeing Andy Reid deny any interest in Vick about two days before the Eagles signed him, I'm not paying that much attention to denials.
mcnabb is a great example of how stats can lie.It's pretty funny when I read comments like this, all you outsiders have seen is fantasy stats for the last ten years. You have no idea what it's been like to watch him for 10 straight seasons. You just know he doesn't have "it". The championship attitude, aura, air or whatever you want to call "it" about him. The dude threw up in the Super Bowl. Michael Jordan ever puke in the finals? Elway? Magic? He's lacking in something, and he will never lead a team to the superbowl.If Andy Reid decides it's time to trade McNabb, and that Kolb is capable of winning, then who are we to argue? McNabb was Reid's very first draft pick, ever, as a HC. I trust that he knows what he's doing. Because they sure as hell aren't making a trade for the fanbase.Me too. I can't wait for McNabb to be traded so all of the Eagles fans who have no clue how good they've had it for the past decade can watch a borderline-bad team for the next decade while they try and find another franchise QB.Funny... I almost threw up in my mouth when I heard this trade story was erroneous.I'm going to throw up in my mouth if all we get for 5 is a 2nd rounder
I don't really see why the Eagles would trade Mcnabb to anyone decent in the NFC, which is why the Rams make sense. I think if he goes to the Cardinals that would be a huge mistake by the Eagles
really?? lol even maclin and celek arnt all world players quite yet, not even close...
Did Slider suggest they were all-world, hell, even all-pro? Maclin and Celek are both significant threats in the passing game and both will only get better.
Actually the opposite is true..Legend /fact is during the last drive huddle, he pointed out John Candy in the stands to his bewildered teamates.And yes, it's time For McNabb and the Iggles to part ways. Both sides being happy. McNabb should be glad to leave by now.
Impossible. LHUCKS has already deemed Matt Leinart their starter for the foreseeable.
I couldn't disagree more. Fitz's go to route involves balls up high in the air. McNabbs go to pitch is the one in the dirt.
I guess the sarcasm in my comment was not as obvious as I thought...
No, No, No! McNabb thew a good would-be first down pass to some reciever (forgot his name), but he dropped it. Now, had he caught the ball and they moved the chains, I have no idea what would've happened after that, but that loss could be put on Philly's defense, who have up 32 points. I know I'm in the minority, but I think if they had beat the Cardinals, they would've gone on to beat the Steelers in the superbowl. Don't you guys think McNabb has matured since his '04 superbowl choke-fest?With that being said, I kinda hope he gets traded, I'm curious of what Kolb brings to the table.I remember last year, when Jackson, Westbrook and Celek brought the team back to take the lead in the 4th against the Cardinals and then McNabb...with his pompus attitude DEMANDED to go out and play Defense. Well...we all know the story. The McNabb led D couldn't get off the field and allowed the Cards to go on a lengthy drive to score.
What happened when the McNabb led offense got back on the field to try and win the game? Pressure happened. He can't handle it.
The Rams didn't offer anything. This was a ploy by the Eagles to try to get other teams to make a bid.
Did you watch the first half of that NFC championship game? McNabb was hideous. End of last year against Dallas(twice), he was horrible. Let's go back to the Super Bowl...The end of game choking, panic, projectile vomiting, anxiety attack aside, he was horrible in the first half. Gotta love a QB who fumbles(overturned) and throws 2 INT's(one called back) on the opening drive of the Super Bowl. As a result of the chances the Eagles had, that game should have been out of reach at half time. Instead we had to suffer through 5's strolling up to the line of scrimmage during the last minutes, down by 10, like he was walking through the Philly flower show all the while puking his way to infamy. I could go on and on because there is a clear pattern of coming up small in the biggest moments. As I said earlier, he's done nothing since the Super Bowl to regain my trust that he's the guy to lead this team to a title. He's a poor leader, an inaccurate passer, and now an aging QB who is on the downside of his career with little hope of improvement. Turning him into an early rd selection and possibly a player in this talent rich draft is more than enough to appease this long time Eagles season ticket holder. The fact that there is a guy like Kolb to replace him makes it all the more easier.No, No, No! McNabb thew a good would-be first down pass to some reciever (forgot his name), but he dropped it. Now, had he caught the ball and they moved the chains, I have no idea what would've happened after that, but that loss could be put on Philly's defense, who have up 32 points. I know I'm in the minority, but I think if they had beat the Cardinals, they would've gone on to beat the Steelers in the superbowl. Don't you guys think McNabb has matured since his '04 superbowl choke-fest?With that being said, I kinda hope he gets traded, I'm curious of what Kolb brings to the table.I remember last year, when Jackson, Westbrook and Celek brought the team back to take the lead in the 4th against the Cardinals and then McNabb...with his pompus attitude DEMANDED to go out and play Defense. Well...we all know the story. The McNabb led D couldn't get off the field and allowed the Cards to go on a lengthy drive to score.
McNabb gets his numbers but he is a TERRIBLE excuse for a leader. His former teammate Hugh Douglas has said as much on WIP in Philly. Anybody questioning whether McNabb can lead the Eagles to a title should rewatch the Super Bowl he was in sometime. It is always said that he had crap at WR but that was the year he had TO in his prime. TO came back from the ankle injury and along with the rest of the receivers had a great game. McNabb threw for 357 yards but didnt hit a single receiver in stride all game. Every pass was a foot behind the receiver or at their ankles. The Eagle receivers as a group were truly great that day.That day is indicative of McNabb's career.Did you watch the first half of that NFC championship game? McNabb was hideous. End of last year against Dallas(twice), he was horrible. Let's go back to the Super Bowl...The end of game choking, panic, projectile vomiting, anxiety attack aside, he was horrible in the first half. Gotta love a QB who fumbles(overturned) and throws 2 INT's(one called back) on the opening drive of the Super Bowl. As a result of the chances the Eagles had, that game should have been out of reach at half time. Instead we had to suffer through 5's strolling up to the line of scrimmage during the last minutes, down by 10, like he was walking through the Philly flower show all the while puking his way to infamy. I could go on and on because there is a clear pattern of coming up small in the biggest moments. As I said earlier, he's done nothing since the Super Bowl to regain my trust that he's the guy to lead this team to a title. He's a poor leader, an inaccurate passer, and now an aging QB who is on the downside of his career with little hope of improvement. Turning him into an early rd selection and possibly a player in this talent rich draft is more than enough to appease this long time Eagles season ticket holder. The fact that there is a guy like Kolb to replace him makes it all the more easier.No, No, No! McNabb thew a good would-be first down pass to some reciever (forgot his name), but he dropped it. Now, had he caught the ball and they moved the chains, I have no idea what would've happened after that, but that loss could be put on Philly's defense, who have up 32 points. I know I'm in the minority, but I think if they had beat the Cardinals, they would've gone on to beat the Steelers in the superbowl. Don't you guys think McNabb has matured since his '04 superbowl choke-fest?With that being said, I kinda hope he gets traded, I'm curious of what Kolb brings to the table.I remember last year, when Jackson, Westbrook and Celek brought the team back to take the lead in the 4th against the Cardinals and then McNabb...with his pompus attitude DEMANDED to go out and play Defense. Well...we all know the story. The McNabb led D couldn't get off the field and allowed the Cards to go on a lengthy drive to score.
What happened when the McNabb led offense got back on the field to try and win the game? Pressure happened. He can't handle it.
If this is true, why is Andy Reid so fiercely loyal to him?If memory serves, the Eagles have used a lot of other QBs, each also succeeding, such as AJ Feeley, Garcia, Kolb, etc. These players were not equally successful in other places. Is the Eagles situation more system and less talent driven?I've seen Mcnabb make some amazing plays, but I don't really follow him week to week. He's 33, so he should be in his prime as far as QBs are concerned. Something tells me this may be a ploy perhaps to drive up Kolbs value, and he might be the guy they end up trading. I also think Kolb has AJ Feeley 2.0 written all over him.
I like Kolb. I think he is way more talented than AJ Feeley.Reid, in many circles, is thought of as the Donovan McNabb of coaches. He can take the Eagles to the brink but does not appear to be Championship material. McNabb has been very good for Reid's career. Why wouldnt Reid be loyal to McNabb?Not a big sample size of QB's you mentioned. Garcia has been successful elsewhere. Feeley was not.
I chuckled..but to be fair, it was due more to the fact that Invictus missed it rather than your original comment.... :(
I've been saying this, as have alot of people, for a long time. This is a timing offense which has been adjusted somewhat to McNabb. He doesn't three step drop and throw. He holds onto the ball far too long for this type of offense. His legs made him the player he was, but that was a result of him holding onto the ball forever. He's too careful, too afraid to throw the INT. It's why his INT's are so low. He can't throw the quick slant, has never hit a WR in stride, the pass is usually at his feet or behind him. He'll thow a 5 yard slant at 100mph. No joking. He has zero touch for the WCO. It's maddening to see an AJ feeley come in and thread the needle to connect on slants, or Jeff Garcia come in and run the offense properly. Only to have McNabb come back and run around the backfield until he finds a wide open Westbrook in the flat. Or chuck it deep to TO or DeSean. I jsut can't beleive that Reid let him run this offense that way for so damn long. If I was a an executive chef and my sous chef couldn't cook my signature dish, he gets fired. And alot of this falls on Reid. In a spread, vertical offense like you said, McNabb would probably put up silly numbers. He's a talented, very good QB, and in agreeing with you was put in the wrong offense for his skillset.
I like McNabb to the niners, also. And it could grow a pair of legs because, according to our local beat reporter lore, McCloughan was the driving force behind giving Alex Smith a chance .. over and over .. despite all (non-contractual-related) evidence to the contrary. And really, although I expect Alex Smith to make the games interesting to watch here and there, and was excited to see him take down a freaking linebacker during one of last season's exhibition games, I do not believe he is a good/consistent enough QB to keep the niners competitive throughout the season and into the post-season.That said, a first round pick for a QB in his 30s is crazy. And York says he's confident in Alex Smith.
Philly fans flip from day to day, it's that "what have you done for me lately, oh yeah, but so what" mentality. The saga rolls on ... Rams get a proven QB instead of an unknown rookie like Sam Bradford who has a bum shoulder..
I'm an Eagles fan and I have to agree with you a lot of Eagles fan think there team or player stinks when they don't win it all when in reality the odds are against any player ever winning a SB. I'm also a McNabb fan but I do think it's time for him to go because as good as he has been he isn't made for the WCO and they should give Kolb a chance.No offense, but Eagles fans sure do cry a lot. McNabb got them to what....five NFC Championship games? As if it's just them and a bunch of other crappy teams competing to face the best of the AFC year after year.Brad Childress, Brett Favre, Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson, for McNabb and Reid. Heck, McNabb can't win the big one anyway, right?! And Reid isn't much better, right?! Should be a no-brainer for you Eagles fans. Call up the Eagles team owner and get 'r done...
I was thinking about the possibilitites last night and I was thinking if the Rams could do something like this:Trade #33 and Atogwae for D. McNabbTrade #1 to Washington for #4, #37 and a #3 next year (basically getting the pick back we gave up for MacNabb)Then trading back again with Buffalo trading the #4 for the #9, #41 and a #2 next year (so they could get Claussen)With the 9th pick we could be looking at Eric Berry (since we got rid of Atogwae, Dez Bryant or Joe Haden.Witht he extra #2 we could take the project in Tebow so he could sit behing McNabb until he is ready, with the othe 2 we could go with another playmaker for the offense and we still would have 2 extra good picks for next year.I think this is what the Rams could realistically end up withMcNabbBryantTebowCarlos Dunlapand only lose Atogwae and pick up the #2 and #3 for next yearThat would be a great draftEven though, the trade between Eagles and Rams for McNabb is just a rumor… Boy, I certainly hope this would be true. Then I hope Rams would continue to do wheelin' and dealin' something goes like this...Rams would trade their 2nd rounder (#33) to Eagles to get McNabb then…Rams would trade their 1st rounder (#1) to Buccaneers to get their #3 and 3rd or 4th rounder then…Rams would selects Russell Okung at #3 to pair with RT Jason Smith to bookend their tackles for the future. Then Steven Jackson can reclaim as an uberstud status. McNabb would be squeaky clean from their young and promising bookend tackles and make Rams much more competitive in a relatively weak NFC West division. Coach Spags should able to follow Giants' recipe for success by having smashmouth offense. As owner of Steven Jackson, McNabb, and Kevin Kolb, I would be ecstatic if this scenario would become true.
That's why its so lucrative to play poker in Philly.Unfortunately it's because fans always think that the long shot, low probability outcome (that Kolb will be better than McNabb in this case) is a far greater likelihood than history dictates.After seeing Andy Reid deny any interest in Vick about two days before the Eagles signed him, I'm not paying that much attention to denials.And, I agree with Jason. I don't get the "good riddance" attitude of some Eagles fans.
Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.
It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.
It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.
Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.
Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.
They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.
That's the comment that was being discussed.It's more credible to me that Kolb can succeed because, like Rodgers, the team that first drafted him and has watched him work for years as an understudy wishes to retain him. It's far easier to put one over on another team after a nice game or two, as occurred in the case of Mitchell and Johnson.Jeff you forgot Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson.
Matt Schaub and Aaron Rodgers are two nice precedents.
Not saying KK is going to be one of those guys, but he was really highly regarded at the 2007 draft. I'm ready to give Kevin the shot.They do? I mean, they MIGHT. But as of right now Reid said all three QBs are being talked about, and Kolb is on the last year of his rookie contract. So yeah, if the Eagles let McNabb walk and make Kolb the starter, what you just said could be true. But it's just as likely (and what I'm rooting for) that the Eagles will pawn Kolb off b/c I'm sure more teams would be willing to pay for a young guy who isn't expecting a monster contract extension to OK the move.
There is no way you can determine that the Eagles will be 8-8 or 9-7 next year. Their record will be more dependent on what additions they make on defense then who is the QB.And quite frankly, sometimes you need to take one step back to take two steps forward.
