McNabb Trade, who got the better end of the deal? (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

as has been said elsewhere, since reid scouted and developed mcnabb, & kolb, he is ideally positioned to make the double call...

1 - is kolb ready, and will there be a massive dropoff?

2 - is it better to get value for mcnabb a year or two early rather than a year or two too late?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

In case you haven't noticed they've been rebuilding for a few years now. They now have 2 players left from the Super Bowl team. That's 51 players out of 53 gone in 5 seasons. Rebuilding.

They were 1 game away from earning a bye week last season, that's not a rebuilding year. The term rebuilding year is associated with teams who not just have a high turnover rate but that they are losing and that the season is lost but they're trying to build the team back up to get into playoff contention...that's not where the Eagles were.

 

[Amused to Death]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

In case you haven't noticed they've been rebuilding for a few years now. They now have 2 players left from the Super Bowl team. That's 51 players out of 53 gone in 5 seasons. Rebuilding.

They were 1 game away from earning a bye week last season, that's not a rebuilding year. The term rebuilding year is associated with teams who not just have a high turnover rate but that they are losing and that the season is lost but they're trying to build the team back up to get into playoff contention...that's not where the Eagles were.

They also didn't beat a team with a winning record last year.

 

[cobalt_27]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

In case you haven't noticed they've been rebuilding for a few years now. They now have 2 players left from the Super Bowl team. That's 51 players out of 53 gone in 5 seasons. Rebuilding.

This is so awesomely funny. Punked by the Cowboys in B2B weeks, almost a 1st Rd bye, and they are "rebuilding." Seriously excellent post.

 

[Wu-banger]

judging by the poll results it must be an even trade....time will tell.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

as has been said elsewhere, since reid scouted and developed mcnabb, & kolb, he is ideally positioned to make the double call...1 - is kolb ready, and will there be a massive dropoff?2 - is it better to get value for mcnabb a year or two early rather than a year or two too late?

Question 2 can't be answered until you answer No. 1.If the answer to No. 1 is yes, there's a massive dropoff then the answer to No. 2 is no, you wait and keep McNabb because although Philly fans are frustrated about always getting to the playoffs and losing, you have to be in it to win it. Philly fans ( I live in Detroit) have no idea how good they have it making the playoffs almost every year, talking about potential Super Bowls, talking about a winning football team year in and year out. So to get rid of the QB that has taken you to so many playoff games and good football seasons, you better be darn sure your answer to NO. 1 is minimal to no dropoff.So, if it's minimal to no dropoff, then the answer to NO. 2 is you should get the value now. I was a huge supporter on these boards for Aaron Rodgers taking over for Farve. I felt he learned what he needed to learn and that if he wasn't ready to step in and play at a high level, that the Packer organization wouldn't risk getting rid of Farve because they were also a playoff team when they didn't bring Farve back in.Maybe this is just about the same situation. Maybe they feel Kolb is the guy and they're going to get something for McNabb while they can. If that's the case then it's solid management. I don't know though, my gut tells me this one doesn't work out as well as it has so far for Aaron Rodgers. With that said, the coaches and the rest of the Eagles staff have seen Kolb practice and play a lot more than I have. Consider me a skeptic though.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Here's hoping that McNabb makes the Iggles sorry for making that decision for a looooooong time!

 

[Amused to Death]

Awesome job by Philly. Probably would have gotten done a lot sooner if they used KC-Cassel deal last year for reference (vs. asking for 1st++). Obvious Don wasn't coming back next year so they got themselves quite the deal.

Philly gets to play their guy groomed for 3 years in same system. One who showed a lot of potential last year. One I think right now is every bit as good as Don in that offense. [i think Kolb ends 2010 with better stats. Remember, Don's going to a new offense with new receivers]

Washington gets a QB upgrade they desire and same address other needs at 4 overall. [vs. reaching for James Claussen].

For a year or two, I like McNabb's prospects. More than that, . Let Washington overpay in the twilight of his career -- I don't think Don will age like Brett (few do), but rather like McNair. This deal tells me that Philly isn't too worried about Don's impact -- dealing him in division -- I, for one, agree with them 100%.

ADVANTAGE: Philly.

Enjoy the rebuilding era.

In case you haven't noticed they've been rebuilding for a few years now. They now have 2 players left from the Super Bowl team. That's 51 players out of 53 gone in 5 seasons. Rebuilding.

This is so awesomely funny. Punked by the Cowboys in B2B weeks, almost a 1st Rd bye, and they are "rebuilding." Seriously excellent post.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. They've turned over their entire roster in 5 years. No excuses. But you can't say now they're rebuilding.And you say almost a first round bye which is true, but equally true is the only team they beat that finished over .500 didn't have their QB or RB. Peace.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

??? Dumb question

ASK THIS IN THREE YEARS!

 

[Steelfan7]

At least have to see who the Eagles get with the 2nd rd pick to even begin to truly evaluate the trade. On a side note, I think we need some more McNabb threads so that the entire 1st page is filled with them.

 

[Avery]

At least have to see who the Eagles get with the 2nd rd pick to even begin to truly evaluate the trade. On a side note, I think we need some more McNabb threads so that the entire 1st page is filled with them.

Disagree. If the Eagles screW up "part 2" of the trade (pick underperformers/busts with the 37th pick this year and the 3rd or 4th rounder next year) it doesn't invalidate "part 1" (the trade of McNabb for picks) as a good trade.

If they screw up the picks it doesn't mean the Eagles didn't get great value for McNabb.

 

[Donsmith753]

If they knew they were going with Kolb this year (which I think they did) then they got good value for their backup qb (regardless of what he's done in the past).

I really don't see why washington did the deal. They should have rolled with Campbell and taken McCoy in the 2nd, that's now not an option.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

Anyone think the Eagles are now in play for Tim Tebow or Jimmy Clausen (should he start falling in the 1st)?

 

[D'OHtis]

Anyone think the Eagles are now in play for Tim Tebow or Jimmy Clausen (should he start falling in the 1st)?

Nope. Kolb is their present and future. Simple as that. If Vick is dealt, I can see them drafting a project later in the draft & signing a backup QB FA. [Garcia, etc...]

 

[bweiser]

??? Dumb questionASK THIS IN THREE YEARS!

yeah, this is how i feel. you just can answer this until we see how:1) kolb does2) mcnabb does3) how the draft picks turn outi think the eagles got good value based on their evaluation of kolb. they believe he is ready. either that, or reid's stubbornness is insisting he's ready and his ego is forcing him to play kolb.i wouldn't be surprised if the eagles finish last in 2010. but that's not what i'm going to look at. i'm going to look to see kolb and see how he develops.

 

[Steelfan7]

At least have to see who the Eagles get with the 2nd rd pick to even begin to truly evaluate the trade. On a side note, I think we need some more McNabb threads so that the entire 1st page is filled with them.

Disagree. If the Eagles screW up "part 2" of the trade (pick underperformers/busts with the 37th pick this year and the 3rd or 4th rounder next year) it doesn't invalidate "part 1" (the trade of McNabb for picks) as a good trade.

If they screw up the picks it doesn't mean the Eagles didn't get great value for McNabb.

We don't know the value of the picks until we see what players are available at that pick. You also have to figure in the production they will get from Kolb.

 

[jurb26]

I feel that Wash overpaid for McNabb or Philly sold high on him, depending on how you want to look at it. I think this was mainly possible because they traded within the division. Despite that, McNabb was the guy who led this team to the playoffs last year and backup QBs can often look like the biggest hero on the team until they become the actual starter. I don't know if Kolb is ready to be the guy in Philly or not. I know Philly fans seem to think he's looked good in the action he's gotten and obviously the coaches seem to like their chances with him as well. However, I do know that McNabb was ready and capable of leading the Eagles to the playoffs and deep into them at that. Based on this I think the Eagles hurt their chances by making this move. At least next season and probably the season after that. Who knows, maybe they hit a home run with their picks or maybe Kolb becomes the next Rogers.

As for Wash I don't really understand the trade as much as some other people. Yes McNabb is an upgrade over Campbell but as I said before I think they overpaid for him. Furthermore, exactly how much of an upgrade is McNabb? Really that is all this trade comes down to for Wash. Personally I see Campbell as an average starting QB but lets assume he is bellow average for the purposes of this deal. I've seen some people saying that McNabb is a very good QB. Well what exactly is that? Top 5? I think not. Top 10? Again, I don't think so. Top 15? Possibly. I think I could probably name 14 guys I'd rather have. Remember now there are only 32 starting QBs in the NFL so 16 is average among that group. Let's also not forget that McNabb is leaving a team and situation that was far more beneficial to playing QB. Philly has a better Oline, better coaching (at least they did we'll see what Shanny does) and far more playmakers surrounding him than he will in Wash.

I suppose the best way I can explain my feelings on this trade is that yes I do think it's a fairly balanced deal. I'd have to give a slight advantage to Wash because I find it more likely that Philly becomes worse by loosing McNabb than Wash becomes worse from loosing those picks. Even if McNabb is only a slight upgrade over Campbell, he is still an upgrade and they guys they drafted could be out of the NFL in 2 years. I don't like the trade for either team a great deal though.

 

[Weiner Dog]

If you look at the draft history of the Skins over the past decade and focus strictly on the 2nd-round picks, is there any player on the below-attached list with more value than McNabb? I think the Skins did very well in the McNabb trade...if for nothing else, their historic weakness with drafting.

2008

Devin Thomas

Fred Thomas

Malcolm Kelly

2006

Rocky McIntosh

2003

Taylor Jacobs

2002

Ladell Betts

2001

Fred Smoot

 

[TxBuckeye]

i think the eagles got good value based on their evaluation of kolb. they believe he is ready. either that, or reid's stubbornness is insisting he's ready and his ego is forcing him to play kolb.

From one of the other threads:

While the Eagles may have paved the way for a new Kolb deal, Banner and Roseman could be paving the road for their dismissal if this doesn’t work. This could be a tipping point in determining who really runs the Eagles. Coach Andy Reid called the shots on the roster, until most recently, when that power increasingly shifted to Banner, a clever contract negotiator who has become expert in locking up players to long-term deals and keeping the Eagles competitive.BannerThe problem is that Banner’s semi-Moneyball techniques haven’t produced a championship. Neither has McNabb, but he has gotten the Eagles to five NFC championship games and one Super Bowl. Was that success more McNabb or Banner?Reid believed it was McNabb and had voiced his desire for the Eagles to keep him, even if it cost them Kolb. “Andy thinks Kolb is going to be really good, maybe great. But he knows Donovan is great and probably will be for three or four years,” said a source close to Reid.Now teamed with Shanahan, a brilliant playcaller, McNabb could exact some serious payback from the Eagles. It would be sweet justice for McNabb, who never has felt respected in Philadelphia.

I think pointing the finger at Reid is a bit of a misfire.

 

[Snotbubbles]

as has been said elsewhere, since reid scouted and developed mcnabb, & kolb, he is ideally positioned to make the double call...1 - is kolb ready, and will there be a massive dropoff?2 - is it better to get value for mcnabb a year or two early rather than a year or two too late?

Question 2 can't be answered until you answer No. 1.If the answer to No. 1 is yes, there's a massive dropoff then the answer to No. 2 is no, you wait and keep McNabb because although Philly fans are frustrated about always getting to the playoffs and losing, you have to be in it to win it. Philly fans ( I live in Detroit) have no idea how good they have it making the playoffs almost every year, talking about potential Super Bowls, talking about a winning football team year in and year out. So to get rid of the QB that has taken you to so many playoff games and good football seasons, you better be darn sure your answer to NO. 1 is minimal to no dropoff.So, if it's minimal to no dropoff, then the answer to NO. 2 is you should get the value now. I was a huge supporter on these boards for Aaron Rodgers taking over for Farve. I felt he learned what he needed to learn and that if he wasn't ready to step in and play at a high level, that the Packer organization wouldn't risk getting rid of Farve because they were also a playoff team when they didn't bring Farve back in.Maybe this is just about the same situation. Maybe they feel Kolb is the guy and they're going to get something for McNabb while they can. If that's the case then it's solid management. I don't know though, my gut tells me this one doesn't work out as well as it has so far for Aaron Rodgers. With that said, the coaches and the rest of the Eagles staff have seen Kolb practice and play a lot more than I have. Consider me a skeptic though.

Who's in a better position to determine if there is a dropoff from McNabb to Kolb? I would say the coaching staff probably knows. Their track record for these type of moves is really good. I trust that they know if Kolb is ready to go or not.The Eagles still have a good team. Of all the players they got rid of this off season, only McNabb and Sheldon Brown were contributors to last years team. They already have a replacement for McNabb, and with all the picks that they have in the draft, they will be better at more positions on defense (I assume they will be using a bunch of picks on D) this year then last year. Plus they're getting back their starting MLB. Really, if Kolb only plays decent, they'll make the playoffs again and be a better all around team then they were last year. I am reading some of these post and people act like McNabb put the Eagles on his back and carried this team to wins. That's not how it was. Losing McNabb might actually help this offense which is really scary.

 

[munchkin]

Look at the history of the draft. The odds that the player the Eagles take in the 2nd round won't significantly impact the team is fairly high. That doesn't mean he wont' contribute or be a solid player but it is a significant upgrade for Washington to get a known quantity, even if it's for 2-4 years, over question marks like McCoy. Lefevour, Tebow or whoever they were previously targeting to fill that spot.

Maybe Campbell learns under McNabb and becomes a better player himself. The Shanahans are good coaches. This is a risk worth taking. A better risk than signing Haynesworth to all that money last year.

 

[B-Deep]

All the stuff on Reid being in a position to make the call is funny, because what I am hearing is he was forced to make this call. It is impossible to say who got the better, because we have no idea how Kolb will do.

The eagles had to make a move though, and they realized that. As a cowboys fan I am not happy the skins got mcnabb. He'll make them much more competitive as they search for his replacement. Trading him in the division seems insane to me.

 

[Tau837]

If you look at the draft history of the Skins over the past decade and focus strictly on the 2nd-round picks, is there any player on the below-attached list with more value than McNabb? I think the Skins did very well in the McNabb trade...if for nothing else, their historic weakness with drafting.2008Devin ThomasFred ThomasMalcolm Kelly2006Rocky McIntosh2003Taylor Jacobs2002Ladell Betts2001Fred Smoot

But Shanahan wasn't involved then, and other people were involved who are now gone. IMO this is irrelevant.

 

[Tau837]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

 

[Amused to Death]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

There are some (Vai Sikahema, Brian Baldinger) that have broken down the game film of the Eagles season ending loses to Dallas and feel Kolb could give them the better chance to win in 2010. They feel Kolb can be just as effective now. But you're right, 2010 would have been McNabb's final season anyway. They weren't extending him and he would have walked as a FA next year and only gotten a comp pick for him.They now have only 1 position player over the age of 30 on the roster* and only 2 remaining from the 2004 Super Bowl team. 51 players purged from the team over the last 5 years.

*per Mike & Mike this morning.

 

[Lehigh98]

Spin-off Pole Here

 

[MDSkinner]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

I agree with all of this, but I all I think that this means is that the Skins got the better end of the deal in the short term where as the Eagles could potentially get the better end of the deal in the long term. McNabb certainly makes the Skins better today, no question about that. Will those picks/Kolb starting help the Eagles? Maybe but I IMO the Skins end of the deal is less risky.Then again, I felt the same way when the Bears traded picks/Orton for Cutler.

 

[CaptainHook]

All the stuff on Reid being in a position to make the call is funny, because what I am hearing is he was forced to make this call. It is impossible to say who got the better, because we have no idea how Kolb will do.The eagles had to make a move though, and they realized that. As a cowboys fan I am not happy the skins got mcnabb. He'll make them much more competitive as they search for his replacement. Trading him in the division seems insane to me.

you only trade a QB to your own division is if you think very poorly of him.Given the Eagle's history I'd assume they are correct.

 

[bweiser]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

There are some (Vai Sikahema, Brian Baldinger) that have broken down the game film of the Eagles season ending loses to Dallas and feel Kolb could give them the better chance to win in 2010. They feel Kolb can be just as effective now. But you're right, 2010 would have been McNabb's final season anyway. They weren't extending him and he would have walked as a FA next year and only gotten a comp pick for him.They now have only 1 position player over the age of 30 on the roster* and only 2 remaining from the 2004 Super Bowl team. 51 players purged from the team over the last 5 years.

*per Mike & Mike this morning.

based upon his performance in 2009, had this been the walk year, where would that pick have landed? at the end of the first round? so, basically, they traded him a year early and got a 3rd/4th in 2011 and the mid-30s pick a year early.

 

[Tau837]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

There are some (Vai Sikahema, Brian Baldinger) that have broken down the game film of the Eagles season ending loses to Dallas and feel Kolb could give them the better chance to win in 2010. They feel Kolb can be just as effective now. But you're right, 2010 would have been McNabb's final season anyway. They weren't extending him and he would have walked as a FA next year and only gotten a comp pick for him.They now have only 1 position player over the age of 30 on the roster* and only 2 remaining from the 2004 Super Bowl team. 51 players purged from the team over the last 5 years.

*per Mike & Mike this morning.

based upon his performance in 2009, had this been the walk year, where would that pick have landed? at the end of the first round? so, basically, they traded him a year early and got a 3rd/4th in 2011 and the mid-30s pick a year early.

Compensation picks are typically no higher than third rounders. Not sure if that is a rule or not, but I am not aware of an instance where a team received a first or second rounder. This year's picks were no higher than third rounders.Furthermore, compensatory picks are not awarded on a per player basis. There is a formula that determines if a team lost more than it gained via free agency each year. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four picks. By rule, there must be 32 compensatory choices awarded.

So the comparison you are making isn't valid.

 

[unckeyherb]

They were 1 game away from earning a bye week last season, that's not a rebuilding year. The term rebuilding year is associated with teams who not just have a high turnover rate but that they are losing and that the season is lost but they're trying to build the team back up to get into playoff contention...that's not where the Eagles were.

Why do you have to be in a lost season to be rebuilding? Isn't it possible that they are systematically turning into a very young team while still maintaining a decent level of production year in and year out? I actually think that the only guy left from the super bowl team is Akers. Also saw on Mike and Mike today that the average age of their team right now is just over 25 yrs old I believe. They have a ton of picks coming up in the draft and all their skill players on offense are young and set to go for years to come. How is that not rebuilt from 2004-2005 season?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

True, but everyone's only focusing in on how it will effect the Redskins short term and not the Eagles.

How does this effect the Eagles right now. They are a playoff team, a team that was one win away from winning the division a bye week. You just traded away the QB that led you there.

Short term, to me the Eagles are a worse team right now than they were this morning. They have no depth at QB right now and who really knows how good this guy really is. I know we'll find out but he'll have to be darn good to come in and play 16 games the way McNabb could.

It might be advantage Eagles long term but what people are not focusing on is they are a playoff team NOW. In two years, they may not be and this short term advantage everyone's talking about won't mean squat.

Say whaaaat? They have a 30-yr old former Pro Bowl QB as their backup. I know he has flaws, but he's still better depth than any other team in the league has. The Eagles will not win less than 10 games this year.

 

[bweiser]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

There are some (Vai Sikahema, Brian Baldinger) that have broken down the game film of the Eagles season ending loses to Dallas and feel Kolb could give them the better chance to win in 2010. They feel Kolb can be just as effective now. But you're right, 2010 would have been McNabb's final season anyway. They weren't extending him and he would have walked as a FA next year and only gotten a comp pick for him.They now have only 1 position player over the age of 30 on the roster* and only 2 remaining from the 2004 Super Bowl team. 51 players purged from the team over the last 5 years.

*per Mike & Mike this morning.

based upon his performance in 2009, had this been the walk year, where would that pick have landed? at the end of the first round? so, basically, they traded him a year early and got a 3rd/4th in 2011 and the mid-30s pick a year early.

Compensation picks are typically no higher than third rounders. Not sure if that is a rule or not, but I am not aware of an instance where a team received a first or second rounder. This year's picks were no higher than third rounders.Furthermore, compensatory picks are not awarded on a per player basis. There is a formula that determines if a team lost more than it gained via free agency each year. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four picks. By rule, there must be 32 compensatory choices awarded.

So the comparison you are making isn't valid.

well, i asked a question and based the rest of my response on a positive affirmation of that belief, so it wasn't really an invalid comparison.but thanks for the info

 

[Tau837]

IMO all the signs were that McNabb and the Eagles were going to part ways after the 2010 season at the latest. IMO that is a key to analyzing the deal. If you accept that premise, the Eagles got the better of this deal.

Personally, I think a lot of people around here are overrating Kolb's prospects, at least in the short term... but I don't think McNabb at 33/34 was all that great, either, so it may not be a significant dropoff. And, based upon my premise, they were going to face this dropoff in 2011, anyway. Does anyone view the Eagles as 2010 Super Bowl contenders with McNabb? I didn't, and to me that means better to make this move now, given the potential value of those picks.

There are some (Vai Sikahema, Brian Baldinger) that have broken down the game film of the Eagles season ending loses to Dallas and feel Kolb could give them the better chance to win in 2010. They feel Kolb can be just as effective now. But you're right, 2010 would have been McNabb's final season anyway. They weren't extending him and he would have walked as a FA next year and only gotten a comp pick for him.They now have only 1 position player over the age of 30 on the roster* and only 2 remaining from the 2004 Super Bowl team. 51 players purged from the team over the last 5 years.

*per Mike & Mike this morning.

based upon his performance in 2009, had this been the walk year, where would that pick have landed? at the end of the first round? so, basically, they traded him a year early and got a 3rd/4th in 2011 and the mid-30s pick a year early.

Compensation picks are typically no higher than third rounders. Not sure if that is a rule or not, but I am not aware of an instance where a team received a first or second rounder. This year's picks were no higher than third rounders.Furthermore, compensatory picks are not awarded on a per player basis. There is a formula that determines if a team lost more than it gained via free agency each year. The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four picks. By rule, there must be 32 compensatory choices awarded.

So the comparison you are making isn't valid.

well, i asked a question and based the rest of my response on a positive affirmation of that belief, so it wasn't really an invalid comparison.but thanks for the info

Yeah, I didn't mean for that to sound critical.I think people tend to overestimate the value of compensation picks. What the Eagles got for McNabb was much greater than what they would have gotten if he walked after this season.

 

[bweiser]

no problem Just Win Baby.

 

[Weiner Dog]

If you look at the draft history of the Skins over the past decade and focus strictly on the 2nd-round picks, is there any player on the below-attached list with more value than McNabb? I think the Skins did very well in the McNabb trade...if for nothing else, their historic weakness with drafting.2008Devin ThomasFred ThomasMalcolm Kelly2006Rocky McIntosh2003Taylor Jacobs2002Ladell Betts2001Fred Smoot

But Shanahan wasn't involved then, and other people were involved who are now gone. IMO this is irrelevant.

Ah, yes. The Almighty Shanahan and his magic drafting 8-ball. Which of his 15 2nd-round picks as the Denver HC were/are more valuable than a player like Donovan McNabb?2008Eddie Royal2007Tim Crowder2006Tony Scheffler2005Darrent Williams2004Tatum BellDarius Watts2003Terry Pierce2002Clinton Portis2001Paul Toviessi2000Ian GoldKenoy Kennedy1999Montae ReagorLennie Friedman1998Eric Brown1996 Tory James

 

[TitusIII]

I know the Eagles have faith in Kolb, but he is far from a lock to be average, let alone a good starting QB now that the pressure is on. For every Aaron Rodgers, you have twenty guys who don't quite have the sack/brains to cut it. Time will tell, and untill it does, the Redskins are the clear winners here...

 

[CaptainHook]

^^How are they the winners? Mcnabb was not a posible longterm solution of the eagles. they didnt want him after this upcoming year. they got a free 2nd round pick in arguably the deepest draft in history.

 

[TitusIII]

^^How are they the winners? Mcnabb was not a posible longterm solution of the eagles. they didnt want him after this upcoming year. they got a free 2nd round pick in arguably the deepest draft in history.

Because they just traded their starting QB for a couple of question marks...McNabb is a guarantee at the QB position. A fine QB, there are no guarantees that Kolb will provide average play or that the rookies will produce. Time will tell, but like I said, untill it does, the Redskins have the upper hand...

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Ah, yes. The Almighty Shanahan and his magic drafting 8-ball. Which of his 15 2nd-round picks as the Denver HC were/are more valuable than a player like Donovan McNabb?

2008

Eddie Royal

2007

Tim Crowder

2006

Tony Scheffler

2005

Darrent Williams

2004

Tatum Bell

Darius Watts

2003

Terry Pierce

2002

Clinton Portis

2001

Paul Toviessi

2000

Ian Gold

Kenoy Kennedy

1999

Montae Reagor

Lennie Friedman

1998

Eric Brown

1996

Tory James

Lotta good players there. Detroit would sell their soul to get half those players in the first round.

 

[Amused to Death]

Per Pro Football Reference, among active QBs McNabb is:

15th in Passer Rating

11th in Passing yds/game

18th in Yds/Pass attempt

15th in Yds/Pass Cmp

9th in Pass Attempts/Game

11th in Adj Yds/Pass Att

22nd in net yds/pass attempts

15th in Adj Net Yds/Pass Att

11th in Passes Completed/Game

26th in completion %

Hasn't been voted to the Pro Bowl since 2004. Will turn 34 in November.

Played a full 16 games in 4* seasons in his 10 years as a full-time starter (15 games in '04 due to coach's decision in game 16)

 

[Sabertooth]

If you look at the draft history of the Skins over the past decade and focus strictly on the 2nd-round picks, is there any player on the below-attached list with more value than McNabb? I think the Skins did very well in the McNabb trade...if for nothing else, their historic weakness with drafting.2008Devin ThomasFred ThomasMalcolm Kelly2006Rocky McIntosh2003Taylor Jacobs2002Ladell Betts2001Fred Smoot

But Shanahan wasn't involved then, and other people were involved who are now gone. IMO this is irrelevant.

Ah, yes. The Almighty Shanahan and his magic drafting 8-ball. Which of his 15 2nd-round picks as the Denver HC were/are more valuable than a player like Donovan McNabb?2008Eddie Royal2007Tim Crowder2006Tony Scheffler2005Darrent Williams2004Tatum BellDarius Watts2003Terry Pierce2002Clinton Portis2001Paul Toviessi2000Ian GoldKenoy Kennedy1999Montae ReagorLennie Friedman1998Eric Brown1996 Tory James

Actually there are quite a few nice players in there. Pro Bowlers even.

 

[got_nugs]

If the Eagles weren't SO concerned with dealing studs before they fall in value, maybe they would have more Super Bowl titles. Or at least ONE. Dealing a top 12 QB in-division....lmfao.

Edge: Braves on the warpath