Mel kiper calls Andrew Luck best qb he's ever graded (1 Viewer)

[heidbrink]

"Who the hell is Mel Kiper?"

Yea! What we are interested in around here is Rob Lowe's opinion.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

"Who the hell is Mel Kiper?"

Yea! What we are interested in around here is Rob Lowe's opinion.

He said Luck is literally the greatest American hero of all time.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I think it's hilarious that if I were to start a forum post that said "After reviewing a lot of tape, I'd have to say that Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since... oh I dunno Peyton Manning..." I think most of the replies would be to the effect of "yeah probably" or "very possible" or "duh."

But when Kiper Jr. says it, people are like "THIS IDIOT, HE'S WRONG EVERY YEAR. SO MUCH HYPERBOLE OMG. LOOK AT HIS HAIR."

And he's the professional! ESPN pays his ### to do this!

 

[Bri]

Strong words, but is he right?Manning was highly thought of but still had some doubters, Luck has none, and for good reason.kiper describes Luck as a "more athletic Peyton Manning" and "the best quarterback I've graded in 35 years of doing this."

I think that's the nature of the beast here. The combine and these critics have become far more prevalent since Manning played. I would guess ALL quarterbacks growing up in this era have a good chance of grading better than those in Manning's. To focus on one guy folks are familiar with other than Kiper- If a 16 year old reads Waldman's QB breakdowns after watching film, is he better off for having read that?

 

[cobalt_27]

- It's Indianapolis and they don't have a great history outside of Manning.

I agree with your points but come on, Unitas & Manning are a pretty great history of QBs for a franchise, considering how long both have played. Yeah, there was a gap, but when you have 2 of the top 5 QBs of all time playing for you team, you can't say you don't have a great history of QBs.

Unitas never played in Indianapolis.

Extrapolate. The important word here is not "Indianapolis" or the "Colts," it's about the franchise.

 

[coolnerd]

Seems like every year we get into these conversations about the likes of Kiper, Mayock, etc...and their hits and misses.

Naaahhhhh...............

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=454118&st=0&p=9867765&hl=kiper&fromsearch=1entry9867765'>Mel Kiper Jr

Mel Kiper Jr. Why all the hype/respect for this guy?

Kiper or Mayock?

Kiper or Mayock? Who do you like?

Mayock v. Kiper Whom do you prefer on draft day?

Mental note don't need to comment on the next Kiper/Mayock thread since my views this stuff is already out there.

 

[griff321]

I think it's hilarious that if I were to start a forum post that said "After reviewing a lot of tape, I'd have to say that Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since... oh I dunno Peyton Manning..." I think most of the replies would be to the effect of "yeah probably" or "very possible" or "duh." But when Kiper Jr. says it, people are like "THIS IDIOT, HE'S WRONG EVERY YEAR. SO MUCH HYPERBOLE OMG. LOOK AT HIS HAIR."And he's the professional! ESPN pays his ### to do this!

So he makes a great snake oil salesman by getting all of these idiot rubes to watch his tired who can argue the loudest shtick. That doesn't make him a good evaluator of talent. Everyone has swings and misses, but when you line up and take a shot at the stands just to make some noise and you whiff it's a bit worse. Isn't he in the agents pockets anyway? He seems to be putting a lot of lipstick on some real pigs.

 

[sports_fan]

Not sure which article you're seeing, but he had Elway at #1 in an earlier article - with Luck right behind him.

Mel reveals his top QB prospect grades since 1979

He also compared JaMarcus Russell to John Elway.Russell - Elway

That's not as bad as it seems. JaCarcass had great skill, he just didn't do anything with it.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it's hilarious that if I were to start a forum post that said "After reviewing a lot of tape, I'd have to say that Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since... oh I dunno Peyton Manning..." I think most of the replies would be to the effect of "yeah probably" or "very possible" or "duh." But when Kiper Jr. says it, people are like "THIS IDIOT, HE'S WRONG EVERY YEAR. SO MUCH HYPERBOLE OMG. LOOK AT HIS HAIR."And he's the professional! ESPN pays his ### to do this!

So he makes a great snake oil salesman by getting all of these idiot rubes to watch his tired who can argue the loudest shtick. That doesn't make him a good evaluator of talent. Everyone has swings and misses, but when you line up and take a shot at the stands just to make some noise and you whiff it's a bit worse. Isn't he in the agents pockets anyway? He seems to be putting a lot of lipstick on some real pigs.

If he's guilty of anything, it's sticking too close to the consensus. The same players you highlight as his whiffs are major whiffs by NFL GMs and personnel. So he liked JaMarcus Russell. Guess what so did a ton of real life NFL scouts.When Kiper starts whiffing more than real NFL teams do, I think this "he sucks" schtick might have merit.

 

[Steelfan7]

"I don't think Priest Holmes is feature back material." -- Mel Kiper Jr., 2001

Priest went undrafted so Kiper was not alone with this thought.

 

[azgroover]

Andrew Luck's short interview with Peter King.

Luck of the draw.

Stanford's Andrew Luck, the likely number one overall NFL draft pick in 11 weeks, was in Indianapolis Thursday to have his body tested and analyzed by Gatorade Sports Science. "I felt like a laboratory rat,'' Luck said. "Pretty valuable, though. I was educated about how much sodium you lose when you're an athlete, and educated on time frames for nutrition -- not just what to eat, but when to eat it.'' He didn't stay for the game. Actually, he stayed for about five hours, just enough to have about 937 drive-thru-type interviews.

Here's a quick Q&A with a guy we're going to get to know much, much better before draft day April 26, and who is very likely to end up here in Indianapolis:

Me: First time at a Super Bowl?

Luck: "No. I went to the one in Houston [eight years ago]. Luckily, having a dad who played in the league and worked for the league helped get us in to some stuff there. But, yeah, this was pretty interesting. I knew what to expect, but this was a zoo here today.''

Me: What are you doing to prepare for the Scouting Combine?

Luck: "Working out in Los Angeles with Athletes Performance Institute. Trying to get my hands on as much NFL tape as I can. I'm lucky. I was in a program at Stanford with coaches who had lots of ties to the NFL, so I've seen a lot. That's helped. And I'm trying to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I'm working with some receivers who have had NFL experience, like [former Chief] Samie Parker.''

Me: Your former offense coordinator, Greg Roman, tells me you'd often come in on Sunday and Monday and suggest things for the game plan the next week. Do you feel you've been able to advance your NFL knowledge at Stanford because of how many NFL coaches they've had there?

Luck: "I think we ran a very professional offense. Watching the 49ers this year with my teammates, it was almost eerie. We could call out the plays when we saw how they lined up. So I think I've been very fortunate to have the coaches and the experience there that I've had. Sometimes, when I might suggest something, we'd end up incorporating it, and if we wouldn't, it was never, 'Oh, you idiot.' There was always a lot of mutual respect there.''

Me: What else do you think will help you as you take the next step to the NFL?

Luck: "I pretty much have an unquenchable thirst for football knowledge.''

Somewhere this morning, new Indianapolis offensive coordinator Bruce Arians will be licking his chops when he reads that last sentence.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/02/06/superbowl46/index.html#ixzz1lcGGll2u