**Miami at Buffalo** (-7, 43.5) Sat 8:15 Kickoff (1 Viewer)

[need2know]

Minority opinion perhaps, but the team that impressed me the most in the 3 games today was Miami. Going into very unfamiliar territory and having a 50-50 shot at winning, against the arguable Super Bowl favorite is very impressive. I've viewed Miami as a 1 and done team pretty much all season. Despite the loss, I'm reevaluating that position.

Agree with all of it except the favorite is the eagles.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

SF & BUF could make the Super Bowl. Tua did well in the cold in Buffalo. We should wait until after the next 3 games to make a decision about Tua. With the injury concern, I wouldn't extend him next year.

Tua’s not a guy that will make something out of nothing like a Mahomes or Allen. But if he has weapons and a good play caller, you can have an elite offense. That’s not the case with all QBs. You just can’t pay him as an elite QB.

 

[travdogg]

Minority opinion perhaps, but the team that impressed me the most in the 3 games today was Miami.

The real minority opinion would be if you said the Colts

There's a difference between a minority opinion and a delusional one.

 

[Gatorman]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

SF & BUF could make the Super Bowl. Tua did well in the cold in Buffalo. We should wait until after the next 3 games to make a decision about Tua. With the injury concern, I wouldn't extend him next year.

Tua’s not a guy that will make something out of nothing like a Mahomes or Allen. But if he has weapons and a good play caller, you can have an elite offense. That’s not the case with all QBs. You just can’t pay him as an elite QB.

I’d be shocked if Miami gave him a “back up the truck” contract, and I’m a dolphin homer and a Tua fan. Dolphins have been good in doing contracts that look bigger than they are with usually a 2nd year out. I see a “cap friendly” extension with some roster bonuses that can be converted for cap relief down the road or a smaller dead money hit if they have to bail.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The FG did seem risky, but something crazy happening on a kickoff where a returner has a head of steam and footing is questionable seemed like too big of a risk too. Especially if it also gave Miami a chance to throw it to Hill or Waddle to use their speed, make a guy slip, and take one to the house.

In good weather this is not even a debate. The snow definitely complicate things a little, but for a chippie FG like that one it was probably the right call.

In the one snow game I’ve ever attended (Lions-Eagles in 2013) the accumulation on the field was much higher and both teams completely abandoned their kicking game, including 2PC attempts after every TD. It was pretty awesome

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Not sure how there was enough evidence there to overturn..

The video evidence seemed sufficient.

To confirm, sure. Overturn? Nah.

I saw a ball cross the plane. It was clear.

I'm not sure that's how the NFL is supposed to interpret that rule, but, whatever, they make **** up all the time. Agree to disagree.

It was clear and irrefutable evidence.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not sure how there was enough evidence there to overturn..

The video evidence seemed sufficient.

To confirm, sure. Overturn? Nah.

I saw a ball cross the plane. It was clear.

I'm not sure that's how the NFL is supposed to interpret that rule, but, whatever, they make **** up all the time. Agree to disagree.

It was clear and irrefutable evidence.

And pretty obvious, IMO. Especially the sideline shot where they showed the ball crossing the plane.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Not sure how there was enough evidence there to overturn..

The video evidence seemed sufficient.

To confirm, sure. Overturn? Nah.

I saw a ball cross the plane. It was clear.

I'm not sure that's how the NFL is supposed to interpret that rule, but, whatever, they make **** up all the time. Agree to disagree.

It was clear and irrefutable evidence.

Yeah they had cameras down each goal line and it was very clear he broke the plane

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

How amazing is the symmetry between the two games this year? Dolphins take advantage of the extreme heat and humidity to outlast Bills by two, then Bills come out ahead in a snow game by 3

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Fun game. Wish the refs didn’t have as big a say in it. Early in dolphin wrs being held w no calls.

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

well, mop is back.
not sure what else Tua could have done here. On the first 2 pos. He hit the wrs in the hands (on plays that should have been runs, sure, but he isn’t the coach) and they drop them. So we get 6 rather than 14. I didn’t see him really “miss” anyone tonight and a few of the throws that looked off, well the receivers were being held (only one PI call with about 6 possibles)

defense was “decent “ but every time it was whatever and over 10 yards miami was so far back that the bills could convert. That’s likely my biggest gripe about this game: we have a bad “and long” defense.

finally, as I said before the first game in Miami: the first 2 games vs the bills this season do not matter. The third one we play against them will be the important one.

It's not MOP is back
Late season Miami collapse is back
Has nothing to do with me

 

[SoBeDad]

How amazing is the symmetry between the two games this year? Dolphins take advantage of the extreme heat and humidity to outlast Bills by two, then Bills come out ahead in a snow game by 3

Also, Bills secondary was really banged up in the warm weather game. Tonight, Miami's secondary was banged up and Noah and Fejedelem play lots of snaps. Noah gave up 14 and 15 yard receptions to Davis on the game winning snow drive.

 

[SoBeDad]

Miami still controls its destiny.

 

[DropKick]

Really don’t like playing for a FG. Seemed risky.

If it's me, I'm taking a dive to go for the field goal like they did. Don't give them a chance with the ball.

Best move was to score a TD without the lead.... This wasn't Patrick Mahomes they were playing....

In better weather, I'm OK with the chip shot FG.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

"That works like a turnover"
-Sanchez
on the Buffalo personal foul on the Punt

He's horrible. It's like he's a contestant on American Idol, trying way too hard. Talks way too much, trying to fill in the blanks, trying to be funny but having no sense of when to do so or how to do it. He kind of makes you cringe after a big play with what he'll spew next.

And the sidekick, with their Madden game references and buddy-buddy stuff, I had to mute it.

 

[fatness]

We need more snow games.
This was the most fun football game I've watched in years.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Great win by the Bills. They blew more teams out last year, but in some ways, this team is better, as they have gotten really good at winning the close games, which is what you'll need to do in the playoffs more often than not. They have issues, but their upside is as high as anyone's.

 

[habsfan]

How amazing is the symmetry between the two games this year? Dolphins take advantage of the extreme heat and humidity to outlast Bills by two, then Bills come out ahead in a snow game by 3

At this festive time of year I feel like there's a missed "Heat Miser / Snow Miser" opportunity here.

 

[The Duff Man]

There is an interesting storyline developing.

If the Bills can beat the Bengals they will have beaten all of the other AFC playoff teams this year unless SD gets in.

If the Bengals beat the Bills they can accomplish the exact same thing if they can also beat the Pats and Ravens.

 

[Todem]

Tough loss for the Dolphins. They played a damn good game and surpassed my expectations last night. These have been games that have been bad losses for us for the last 20 plus years. We had a great chance to win this one.

McDaniels is learning some valuable lessons. He should have leaned on Mostert a little more last night. Just 6 more carries in the second half? He was rolling last night. If they would have kept handing him the ball I think we would have had a different result.

Welp….the road to a post season berth is only going to be tougher. Green Bay is no push over and neither are the Jets and then the Patriots finale at New England.

2023 IMO will be a better year. This season though has been so hot and cold. Bit we have a good group. I am still not sold though that Tua is truly “The Guy”.

He has gotten far too dependent on Hill to the point of forcing balls too often on this losing streak. I hope we make some adjustments.

It was nice to see Waddle have that break away TD I had been waiting for. Speed kills.

I do wish Tua would hit them in strose more often. Seems lime guys constantly have to come back or slow up for streaks and posts. Under 30 yards down the middle he is money….but he has limitations on flys, and posts where you are asking for 40 plus air yard throws. And with Waddle and Hill they outrun his velocity and arm strength more often than not. Also Tua is not a guy like Allen, Mahomes, Herbert or even a vet lime Rodgers who keeps plays alive and improves when things go off schedule. Jalen Hurts has prove this season he is becoming that kind of QB.

So yeah those are still my hangups with Tua and it showed last night again. He played good….not great. Made some great throws, some terrible ones and had a couple of drops…Sherfield had a huge easy TD drop. That cost us dearly in the end.

Hats off to the Bills who got it done in the games biggest moments.

 

[The Duff Man]

This is also strange. Currently the bottom six AFC teams are from the West and South.

And these divisions played each other! So not only did the Chiefs and Titans get to beat up their own division, they got to beat up the other worst division in the AFC.

In games outside of these crappy divisions the Chiefs are 4-2. The Titans are 2-4.

 

[Desert_Power]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

 

[Ghost Rider]

There is an interesting storyline developing.

If the Bills can beat the Bengals they will have beaten all of the other AFC playoff teams this year unless SD gets in.

If the Bengals beat the Bills they can accomplish the exact same thing if they can also beat the Pats and Ravens.

The interesting part is the Bills could fall to the 3 seed if they lose to the Bengals in two weeks and KC and Cincy both win out. It goes without saying, but it feels like the outcome of that Bills/Bengals game will have a big say in which AFC team gets to the Super Bowl.

 

[Boston]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

 

[Todem]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Come on….Tua has not been nearly as sharp in these three losses. His limitations were on clear display. The defense in Sf and LA actually kept us in the game while the offense could not stay on the field.

Last nights game was a mixture. Ultimately tue defense came up short….but again we abandoned the run when we should have leaned on it innthe 4th quarter (that’s coaching).

Tua has been very solid this season. Bit personally speaking I never anointed him for the exact reasons we have seen on display the last three weeks. He is a true system QB and an “on schedule” QB. When things go off schedule his limitations really stick out like a sore thumb. He is not in the same tier as:

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Herbert

And I will add Hurts and Lamar Jackson as well as guys that can take over games.

I never have that feeling that Tua can put a team in his back. And for that reason my biggest fear is he can do just enough to keep his job but never enough to take a team all the way. And yes wins are team stats….but you know what I mean.

He is not elite. I don’t see it.

 

[Todem]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

I will disagree…..Tua has made a nice leap this season but there are clear physical limitations that cannot be ignored.

He may get even better next year too. But there are things you can see that lead me to believe the Dolphins likely never get as far as an opening round playoff win.

Allens first two years were rough but you could see all the athletic qualities he had. You can’t teach size, speed and that god like right arm Allen has.

Tua is a great story of a smaller
Guy and I always root for the smaller guys. But in the NFL the success ratio of QB’s with Tua’s make up are far and few.

Time will tell….but I will always maintain the Dolphins blew the 2020 draft and it will cost us for years to come at the most important position.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I never have that feeling that Tua can put a team in his back. And for that reason my biggest fear is he can do just enough to keep his job but never enough to take a team all the way. And yes wins are team stats….but you know what I mean.

He is not elite. I don’t see it.

Maybe not, but Miami's offense has been built in such a way that they don't need Tua to be elite. He's plenty good enough to work with the weapons that they've given him, and they don't have to rely on just one guy to win games for them like the Bills do.

Fun rivalry regardless.

 

[Boston]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

I will disagree…..Tua has made a nice leap this season but there are clear physical limitations that cannot be ignored.

He may get even better next year too. But there are things you can see that lead me to believe the Dolphins likely never get as far as an opening round playoff win.

Allens first two years were rough but you could see all the athletic qualities he had. You can’t teach size, speed and that god like right arm Allen has.

Tua is a great story of a smaller
Guy and I always root for the smaller guys. But in the NFL the success ratio of QB’s with Tua’s make up are far and few.

Time will tell….but I will always maintain the Dolphins blew the 2020 draft and it will cost us for years to come at the most important position.

i was not just talking about Tua but QBs in general...for Tua I absolutely see a path to a Brees-like career who would not have had that type of career without Payton...Tua is with the right coach (which is always the most important thing with young QBs or QBs in general) and while he will never be a physical marvel or have a cannon, he has a great chance to be a highly effective QB/continue to improve in the right system which I believe that he is in...my biggest fear with him is his health...would they be better off with Herbert...probably, but I think the Tua/McDaniel combo has an excellent chance of duplicating the type of success Brees/Payton had in New Orleans.

 

[Todem]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

I will disagree…..Tua has made a nice leap this season but there are clear physical limitations that cannot be ignored.

He may get even better next year too. But there are things you can see that lead me to believe the Dolphins likely never get as far as an opening round playoff win.

Allens first two years were rough but you could see all the athletic qualities he had. You can’t teach size, speed and that god like right arm Allen has.

Tua is a great story of a smaller
Guy and I always root for the smaller guys. But in the NFL the success ratio of QB’s with Tua’s make up are far and few.

Time will tell….but I will always maintain the Dolphins blew the 2020 draft and it will cost us for years to come at the most important position.

i was not just talking about Tua but QBs in general...for Tua I absolutely see a path to a Brees-like career who would not have had that type of career without Payton...Tua is with the right coach (which is always the most important thing with young QBs or QBs in general) and while he will never be a physical marvel or have a cannon, he has a great chance to be a highly effective QB/continue to improve in the right system which I believe that he is in...my biggest fear with him is his health...would they be better off with Herbert...probably, but I think the Tua/McDaniel combo has an excellent chance of duplicating the type of success Brees/Payton had in New Orleans.

I don’t disagree. Good take.

 

[Todem]

I never have that feeling that Tua can put a team in his back. And for that reason my biggest fear is he can do just enough to keep his job but never enough to take a team all the way. And yes wins are team stats….but you know what I mean.

He is not elite. I don’t see it.

Maybe not, but Miami's offense has been built in such a way that they don't need Tua to be elite. He's plenty good enough to work with the weapons that they've given him, and they don't have to rely on just one guy to win games for them like the Bills do.

Fun rivalry regardless.

There will be times where you need a guy to simply be the guy…..that’s all I am saying. That closer mentality that top tier guys like Mahomes and yeah Brady have displayed over the years.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

I understand DP, I haven't said much about him but the Kyler Murray/DeShaun Watson treatment/contract/negotiations are coming, you do understand that, right? I'm not bashing as much as I'm saying I don't want to necessarily ride with Tua for the next 4-5-6-7 years
I haven't said much even when they were winning and built up 8-3
It's not love him one second, hate on him the next

And I haven't even dug in to Mike McDaniel yet, was going to wait until Mon/Tue to let it breathe for a bit.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Should be a 'clean' game.
------------------------------------
Rick Gosselin
@RickGosselin9

The Miami-Buffalo game tonight draws the Bill Vinovich officiating crew.
This is the NFL’s low-penalty crew by a wide margin, assessing fewer than 8 total penalties per game.
Road teams have a current 3-game win streak with this crew.
Both teams are 3-8 all-time with Vinovich.

That didn't age well.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

wow stands are full of snow

“Fans we recommend you bring a shovel inside the stadium today”

A bunch of Bills fans in the stadium with shovels in a raucous prime time huge divisional game. What could go wrong?

Holy crap - my friend forgot he had a ruler in his backpack once at a Niners game (he's a big math nerd, professionally) and it was confiscated as a "potential weapon". Y'all can bring shovels?!

If it's not metal, and you can hide it in 4+ layers of clothing, you can get it in. A shovel would be tough...

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Classy Bills fans with the snowballs.

Keep in mind it was the vast minority throwing snowballs. Most certainly were not, and MANY Bills fans were scolding (if not straight up threatening) the idiots who were. I did see one pair of guys get someone thrown out. They basically had to beg the security guard for 5 minutes. He finally called for a backup and went up and took the moron out. They were clearly not enforcing the threat to toss people for it, despite announcing it at least 20-30 times throughout the game.

That said, I was definitely embarrassed to be a Bills fan last night. I almost wish the NFL would make a statement and say "No primetime games in Buffalo next year." There were SO many belligerent fans in that stadium.

 

[The Duff Man]

I didn’t witness anyone around me that was a problem. We were all expressing annoyance about the situation.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

If I were a Dolphins fan at the game I’d probably start chucking snowballs like crazy trying to get a 15 yard penalty against the Bills…

That's why I was a bit skeptical that it would happen, but I was definitely afraid of it. The play where Miami got called for 12 men on the field... The flag was thrown by a ref at the back corner of the endzone. I thought for sure he got hit, or saw a player get hit and he just threw the flag to back the Bills up 15.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

I will disagree…..Tua has made a nice leap this season but there are clear physical limitations that cannot be ignored.

He may get even better next year too. But there are things you can see that lead me to believe the Dolphins likely never get as far as an opening round playoff win.

Allens first two years were rough but you could see all the athletic qualities he had. You can’t teach size, speed and that god like right arm Allen has.

Tua is a great story of a smaller
Guy and I always root for the smaller guys. But in the NFL the success ratio of QB’s with Tua’s make up are far and few.

Time will tell….but I will always maintain the Dolphins blew the 2020 draft and it will cost us for years to come at the most important position.

i was not just talking about Tua but QBs in general...for Tua I absolutely see a path to a Brees-like career who would not have had that type of career without Payton...Tua is with the right coach (which is always the most important thing with young QBs or QBs in general) and while he will never be a physical marvel or have a cannon, he has a great chance to be a highly effective QB/continue to improve in the right system which I believe that he is in...my biggest fear with him is his health...would they be better off with Herbert...probably, but I think the Tua/McDaniel combo has an excellent chance of duplicating the type of success Brees/Payton had in New Orleans.

Agreed. The real problem is what even above average QBs make. Guys like Tanehill, Goff, and Cousins are making $30M+ a year.

How many would be comfortable with their team paying Tua $30-35M+ a year? Because there is a decent chance that if the Dolphins don’t pay that after next year, that some other team will. Tough spot to be in.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

That was a smart hold. That was a TD to Knox if he didn’t hold him.

Like he would have caught it.

50/50

j/k (I need to watch the replay tomorrow, but I only had him with 1 drop. Did he get credited with one, officially, on that one that was contested?)

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Bradley Chubb having zero impact so far

And it's been that way for weeks
Bust trade so far

Weeks? How about years? I don't see how that guy has been considered a defensive stud since he came into the league.

(Yes, I'm a disgruntled IDP owner since his rookie season.)

 

[Boston]

Tonight with the 3rd loss in a row...
At San Fran
At LAC
At Buffalo

3 straight losses with Tua as the starting QB
It is what it is but he doesn't deserve the Watson/Murray contract treatment
5th year option and if he bitches even once, trade his *** immediately for as much as you can get
2 first round picks seems to be the going rate, maybe they settle for 1 but time to start thinking about moving on

Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Tua is not

We’ve got to stop alternating between anointing Tua and trashing him. I get the media talking heads do this for clicks but I don’t see why fans have to.

Three tough losses to good teams are disappointing. It’s been the defense that has been the worst part of those though. Try to enjoy the ride and being relevant.

Little bit of a tangent but I am beginning to dislike the general commentary on QBs overall...all of a sudden, we judge rookies to 3-year QBs like 10-year veterans and it appears if a QB is not at the level of Mahomes or Allen (and that is Allen now not 2 years ago) then you should move on from them...the QB position is the most important position on the field but the expectations are starting to be if you are not a first ballot H-oFer you are not very good.

I will disagree…..Tua has made a nice leap this season but there are clear physical limitations that cannot be ignored.

He may get even better next year too. But there are things you can see that lead me to believe the Dolphins likely never get as far as an opening round playoff win.

Allens first two years were rough but you could see all the athletic qualities he had. You can’t teach size, speed and that god like right arm Allen has.

Tua is a great story of a smaller
Guy and I always root for the smaller guys. But in the NFL the success ratio of QB’s with Tua’s make up are far and few.

Time will tell….but I will always maintain the Dolphins blew the 2020 draft and it will cost us for years to come at the most important position.

i was not just talking about Tua but QBs in general...for Tua I absolutely see a path to a Brees-like career who would not have had that type of career without Payton...Tua is with the right coach (which is always the most important thing with young QBs or QBs in general) and while he will never be a physical marvel or have a cannon, he has a great chance to be a highly effective QB/continue to improve in the right system which I believe that he is in...my biggest fear with him is his health...would they be better off with Herbert...probably, but I think the Tua/McDaniel combo has an excellent chance of duplicating the type of success Brees/Payton had in New Orleans.

Agreed. The real problem is what even above average QBs make. Guys like Tanehill, Goff, and Cousins are making $30M+ a year.

How many would be comfortable with their team paying Tua $30-35M+ a year? Because there is a decent chance that if the Dolphins don’t pay that after next year, that some other team will. Tough spot to be in.

Yup...there are always two parts to the equation...the first part is easy; you just move on from the player...the second part is who do you replace him with that is better...that part is far more difficult.

 

[Desert_Power]

How many would be comfortable with their team paying Tua $30-35M+ a year? Because there is a decent chance that if the Dolphins don’t pay that after next year, that some other team will. Tough spot to be in.

Personally, I’d like to see how Tua does in more clutch situations before making that determination. I think McDaniel has put a great scheme with speedy WRs around him. I think a lot of QBs would be successful in such a system but Tua’s quick release is a big attribute.

Still think it is too little info for such a call

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

And with it being a head injury for Morse, he may be done done. He has had a whole bunch of concussions. Was out a long time after his last one.

Yeah, that's what we were talking about last night. I haven't heard anything today, but almost hope he calls it a career. Concussions are nothing to mess with, and as you mentioned, he's had plenty.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Buffalo’s special teams has been atrocious tonight. What the heck even is that?! Put him on the bench the rest of the night.

Separate plane ride home. Put him in coach on Spirit.

Oh wait, they’re at home.

Then send him somewhere else...

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

So hitting a lineman with a pass is still a penalty right. I'm not having a brain cramp right?

Should have been illegal touch. I think you're right. I was so worried about the potential grounding penalty I didn't even think of that.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Is Waddle dead?

No. He'll get his. Just wait a bit.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Just throw it up.. You'll probably get a flag. Great product NFL.

He literally launched himself into the receiver as he was trying to catch the ball. That’s been a penalty pretty much for forever.

Did they show any replays of Diggs on that play? He was as wide open as you can get on a post route. Would have been a cake walk TD had he been earlier on Josh's progression.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Not sure how there was enough evidence there to overturn..

The video evidence seemed sufficient.

To confirm, sure. Overturn? Nah.

I saw a ball cross the plane. It was clear.

I'm not sure that's how the NFL is supposed to interpret that rule, but, whatever, they make **** up all the time. Agree to disagree.

How was that not inconclusive? It was close, yes, but the ball very clearly broke the plane right before contact, let alone loss of possession.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I didn’t witness anyone around me that was a problem. We were all expressing annoyance about the situation.

A problem at all, or a problem with throwing snow balls? Aside from snowball throwing, I witnessed about 5 heated arguments around me that nearly got physical. All between Bills fans.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So hitting a lineman with a pass is still a penalty right. I'm not having a brain cramp right?

Should have been illegal touch. I think you're right. I was so worried about the potential grounding penalty I didn't even think of that.

I didn’t really see it, but I think the announcers did suggest that the ball may have been tipped by Miami. Maybe that’s what the refs thought too.

 

[HW_53]

Redraft league

Not a commish veto.

5 owners (Standard ESPN) voted to veto it.

Not sure how there was enough evidence there to overturn..

The video evidence seemed sufficient.

To confirm, sure. Overturn? Nah.

I saw a ball cross the plane. It was clear.

I'm not sure that's how the NFL is supposed to interpret that rule, but, whatever, they make **** up all the time. Agree to disagree.

How was that not inconclusive? It was close, yes, but the ball very clearly broke the plane right before contact, let alone loss of possession.

The goal line review in this case was very close. If ruled as not crossing the plane on the field, I'm not sure how you could overturn it by what was seen in the replay. If it was ruled as crossing, again, not sure how you could overturn by what was shown.. However, even as a Raiders fan I'll say this.. It was just about as close as the late 4th quarter TD the Raiders scored to tie the Pats yesterday. Keelan Cole's foot was clearly on the line, but the play was ruled a TD on the field. It should have been overturned, but there was not enough evidence to do so. Irrefutable video evidence is the NFL's threshold, not mine. I have no dog in the fight was far as this MIA/BUF game, but, my point is this - never get in the way of the NFL's idea of a good narrative. They LOVE the Bills this season. So be it.