Michael Vick gets hit late all the time anybody cant see that youre bl (1 Viewer)

[tdoss]

You know, Brett Favre got hit a lot in his days. He also had many injuries in his days of playing. How many late hit calls did Favre receive? Just curious. Hell, the Packers could have had more Super Bowls had Favre received more late hit calls. And, the Vikings may have had one more Super Bowl appearance had some late hit calls been called during that NFC game. I don't recall ever hearing Favre mention getting hit late and not getting flags.And, he was the face of the NFL, in the medias eyes, for how many years? Yeah, Vick has a complaint and he also has the answer... play better.

Favre wasn't black...let's stay on point.

 

[Short Corner]

 

[Lester Long]

You know, Brett Favre got hit a lot in his days. He also had many injuries in his days of playing. How many late hit calls did Favre receive? Just curious. Hell, the Packers could have had more Super Bowls had Favre received more late hit calls. And, the Vikings may have had one more Super Bowl appearance had some late hit calls been called during that NFC game. I don't recall ever hearing Favre mention getting hit late and not getting flags.And, he was the face of the NFL, in the medias eyes, for how many years? Yeah, Vick has a complaint and he also has the answer... play better.

Favre wasn't black...let's stay on point.

 

[Runningman]

Vick is a genius

The first time that phrase has ever been uttered.

Ron Mexico disagrees.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Comparing the Manning hit from last year to the Vick hit this year is silly. Last year the rule was that ANY contact to the QBs helmet was an automatic penalty. This year, the rule was changed so that incidental contact to the helmet is no longer a penalty.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The OL is playing like ###, but in a league that goes out of the way to protect it's marque QB's Vick gets screwed. He doesn't get the calls that Brady/Manning/Rivers/Rogers get. I often wonder if it has to do with dogfighting/bias more than skin color etc. But if you look at that giants game, he took 3-4 hits that would have been flags had Brady or Manning been in the pocket.

 

[Jeremy]

A lot of people saying Vick doesn't get the calls Manning and Brady gets.

WHO DOES???

 

[Dexter Manley]

The OL is playing like ###, but in a league that goes out of the way to protect it's marque QB's Vick gets screwed. He doesn't get the calls that Brady/Manning/Rivers/Rogers get. I often wonder if it has to do with dogfighting/bias more than skin color etc. But if you look at that giants game, he took 3-4 hits that would have been flags had Brady or Manning been in the pocket.

I saw Brady take a hit in week 1 or 2 that was very similar to the one that ended his season a couple years ago (and much worse than any hit Vick took last week), and there was no call.Manning was blatantly facemasked standing in the pocket in the Eagles game this week (again, much worse than any hit Vick took), and there was no call.

 

[Khy]

Manning was blatantly facemasked standing in the pocket in the Eagles game this week (again, much worse than any hit Vick took), and there was no call.

That's a good point I actually forgot about that one. I remember freaking out at the TV cause whoever it was (might have been Cole) literally just grabed Eli's facemask with his whole hand to keep him from getting away then pulls in for the sack.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The OL is playing like ###, but in a league that goes out of the way to protect it's marque QB's Vick gets screwed. He doesn't get the calls that Brady/Manning/Rivers/Rogers get. I often wonder if it has to do with dogfighting/bias more than skin color etc. But if you look at that giants game, he took 3-4 hits that would have been flags had Brady or Manning been in the pocket.

I saw Brady take a hit in week 1 or 2 that was very similar to the one that ended his season a couple years ago (and much worse than any hit Vick took last week), and there was no call.Manning was blatantly facemasked standing in the pocket in the Eagles game this week (again, much worse than any hit Vick took), and there was no call.

FWIW they just addressed this isssue on the NFLN. They asked two players Brady James and Derrick Mason what they felt about the validity of Michael's comments. I was shocked when they spoke truly and they said it's not even close. Especially as active players who are Vick's opponents, not teammates.  They said that the refs don't protect Vick like they do the other pocket assing QB's and that allows D's to hit him in ways that they would be penalized against other qbs. D Mason said he hopes Vick didn't try and take back what he said, because he is right. Vick takes hits that would be called as penalties on the pocket passers like manning, brees, rivers etc. Brady James even said that because they don't call those hits on Vick, that defenses go out of there way to do that, because they will take waht the refs give them, and the refs don't protect Vick like they do pocket passers.ETA this is in a segment called "open locker room" where the question posed to Mason/James was "are certain quarterbacks treated differently by NFL officials" I just saw the segment again so it's in the 'hourly loop" on NFLN if anyone wants to see what NFL players and not FF 's who only view things through who they have on their fantasy teams think...

 

[Dexter Manley]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penaltiesPosted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing under intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

 

[unckeyherb]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penaltiesPosted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

 

[Warrior]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penalties

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.

Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.

Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.

Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.

But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.

Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.

Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penalties

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.

Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.

Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.

Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.

But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.

Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.

Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

 

[unckeyherb]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penalties

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.

Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.

Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.

Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.

But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.

Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.

Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

why is that funny. If the refs miss say, as an average one illegal hit for every ten that they catch (not accurate, just for sake of argument)then does it not stand to reason that QB1, getting illegal hit flags 90% more than QB2, might actually get more non calls as well? Because he is frankly just getting hit more?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penalties

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.

Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.

Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.

Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.

But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.

Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.

Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

why is that funny. If the refs miss say, as an average one illegal hit for every ten that they catch (not accurate, just for sake of argument)then does it not stand to reason that QB1, getting illegal hit flags 90% more than QB2, might actually get more non calls as well? Because he is frankly just getting hit more?

So what.....by your example, QB1 is getting more illegal hits simply because he's getting hit more than QB2. That doesn't mean he's being treated unfairly relative to QB2. The refs are still missing the same proportion of calls for both QBs. Vick's point is that he's being treated unfairly relative to these other QBs. If he's getting the same proportion of non-calls as these other QBs, how is he being treated unfairly? He's being treated unfairly by the guys who protect him.

 

[unckeyherb]

Per PFT:

Jason Campbell leads the league in roughing the passer penalties

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 29, 2011, 5:18 PM EDT

Getty ImagesMichael Vick raised the question this week about whether referees protect certain quarterbacks more than others. It turns out that the quarterback who draws roughing the passer penalties most frequently is not a superstar.

Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has drawn roughing the passer penalties at a higher rate than any other quarterback in the NFL since the start of the 2010 season, according to former head of officiating Mike Pereira, who posted the data at FOXSports.com.

Yes, Al Davis, the officials are protecting your quarterback more than any other.

Or maybe not. Actually, the truth is that the data about roughing the passer penalties doesn’t tell us much about which quarterbacks are being protected and which ones are not — or if NFL officials actually “protect” any quarterbacks more than any others. The fact that Campbell draws a roughing the passer penalty 1.46 times for every 100 passes while Tom Brady draws a roughing the passer penalty 0.16 times for every 100 passes probably means that Brady is getting the ball away before the defense even gets close to him, while Campbell is frequently throwing unnder intense pressure. It would be much more useful to analyze penalties per hit than penalties per pass.

But the data is interesting nonetheless. After Campbell, the quarterbacks who draw the most roughing the passer penalties are Jay Cutler, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford. In addition to Brady, the quarterbacks who draw the fewest roughing the passer penalties are Eli Manning, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, David Garrard, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb and Tony Romo.

Whether there’s anything to glean from that data is open to debate, although Pereira is certainly correct that the star quarterbacks don’t appear to pick up roughing the passer penalties any more than the scrubs.

Or maybe the officials really do go too far to protect Campbell. That’s what Rex Ryan thinks.

Like I said before-if you are getting hit more, you will get hit illegally more. The fact that these guys and Vick draw more roughing the passer penalties only proves the point. The fact that Campbell gets almost 90% more roughing the passer flags as Brady over the same pass amount leads me to believe that he probably has a higher percentage of non calls as well. As would Vick.

why is that funny. If the refs miss say, as an average one illegal hit for every ten that they catch (not accurate, just for sake of argument)then does it not stand to reason that QB1, getting illegal hit flags 90% more than QB2, might actually get more non calls as well? Because he is frankly just getting hit more?

So what.....by your example, QB1 is getting more illegal hits simply because he's getting hit more than QB2. That doesn't mean he's being treated unfairly relative to QB2. The refs are still missing the same proportion of calls for both QBs. Vick's point is that he's being treated unfairly relative to these other QBs. If he's getting the same proportion of non-calls as these other QBs, how is he being treated unfairly? He's being treated unfairly by the guys who protect him.

Perception is reality. The same proportion means that in a given game: if Vick is getting hit more, he is getting hit illegally more and not getting the calls more. BTW, I am not saying that our Oline isn't swiss cheese, because it definitely is. The perception I get though, is that once the defenders are in the back field, they simply do not pull up like they would on many other QB's. This is obviously true as Vick gets so many roughing the passer calls.

 

[Mario Kart]

Perception is reality. The same proportion means that in a given game: if Vick is getting hit more, he is getting hit illegally more and not getting the calls more.

BTW, I am not saying that our Oline isn't swiss cheese, because it definitely is. The perception I get though, is that once the defenders are in the back field, they simply do not pull up like they would on many other QB's. This is obviously true as Vick gets so many roughing the passer calls.

I am speechless. I am simply speechless by your awesome logic.To use your example a bit more. Lets assume this all happens in a one game span.

If QB1 gets hit 10 times and draws a flag 9 of those times... he receives a flag on 90% of the hits.

If QB2 gets hit 20 times and draws a flag 18 of those times... he receives a flag on XX% of the hits.

Which QB is getting unfair treatment?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Perception is reality. The same proportion means that in a given game: if Vick is getting hit more, he is getting hit illegally more and not getting the calls more.

BTW, I am not saying that our Oline isn't swiss cheese, because it definitely is. The perception I get though, is that once the defenders are in the back field, they simply do not pull up like they would on many other QB's. This is obviously true as Vick gets so many roughing the passer calls.

I am speechless. I am simply speechless by your awesome logic.To use your example a bit more. Lets assume this all happens in a one game span.

If QB1 gets hit 10 times and draws a flag 9 of those times... he receives a flag on 90% of the hits.

If QB2 gets hit 20 times and draws a flag 18 of those times... he receives a flag on XX% of the hits.

Which QB is getting unfair treatment?

This is the point I've been trying to make but maybe not as eloquently as you just put it..........

 

[Mario Kart]

Perception is reality. The same proportion means that in a given game: if Vick is getting hit more, he is getting hit illegally more and not getting the calls more.

BTW, I am not saying that our Oline isn't swiss cheese, because it definitely is. The perception I get though, is that once the defenders are in the back field, they simply do not pull up like they would on many other QB's. This is obviously true as Vick gets so many roughing the passer calls.

I am speechless. I am simply speechless by your awesome logic.To use your example a bit more. Lets assume this all happens in a one game span.

If QB1 gets hit 10 times and draws a flag 9 of those times... he receives a flag on 90% of the hits.

If QB2 gets hit 20 times and draws a flag 18 of those times... he receives a flag on XX% of the hits.

Which QB is getting unfair treatment?

This is the point I've been trying to make but maybe not as eloquently as you just put it..........

Just trying to help out. I have heard the Philadelphia school system is not good with percentages and logic.

 

[Ray_T]

Every big play he makes in the pocket he is constantly getting pummelled every down. Its B.S Dont feed me some crap about every qb gets hit like Vick because its b.s. Nobody in the league gets hit more than Vick in the pocket and i challenge anyone to tell me otherwise.I suggest you review his games. This dude gets hit on every single throw on every single down. The refs dont throw a flag or anything. People claim hes a running back, when hes trying to pass out of the pocket. Both of his injuries happened while he was in the pocket.For people that want to say he runs around to much. On both injuries he made big plays in the air and completed them.NFL needs to take notice of this crap. If Defenses fear him this much where they have to get illegal hits on him. They must fear the guys playmaking ability.Keep this football related i dont care about his past. These refs need to treat him like a QB.

If I were you I'd be more concerned about getting Vick a line that actually has the ability to protect him.My thought is that out of 100 hits a QB takes, Let us pretend 5 to 10 of them are dirty in one way shape or form. If your QB gets hit 2x the amount that other QB's do because of a bad line, then your QB is gonna take 2X the dirty hits of other QB's. Add in the factor that Vick also likes to run with the football, I'd be surprised that he doesnt get 3X the dirty hits of other QB's. I'm sorry, but that is the risk you take when you draft a player like this. I lived with this when I was a McNabb owner in fantasy football for some years. No surprise he got hurt a lot. No sense getting mad about it. This is life in football.

 

[unckeyherb]

I am speechless. I am simply speechless by your awesome logic.To use your example a bit more. Lets assume this all happens in a one game span.If QB1 gets hit 10 times and draws a flag 9 of those times... he receives a flag on 90% of the hits. If QB2 gets hit 20 times and draws a flag 18 of those times... he receives a flag on XX% of the hits.Which QB is getting unfair treatment?

What are you talking about? Save your condescension for when it applies. The 'examples' you are throwing out have nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Let me put it a different way for you, so as to not garner you speechless...Brady has been hit 9 times this season, Vick has been hit 50 times. Vick has gotten more roughing the passer flags, because, in part there have been more than 5 times the hits on him than on Brady. It stand to reason that he would be hit illegally much more often as well, right. Does it also stand to reason that Vick may have been hit illegally without flags thrown more than Brady? Thats all I'm saying. The opportunities for missed flags are there at a MUCH higher ratio for Vick than they are for Brady.

 

[Mario Kart]

I am speechless. I am simply speechless by your awesome logic.To use your example a bit more. Lets assume this all happens in a one game span.If QB1 gets hit 10 times and draws a flag 9 of those times... he receives a flag on 90% of the hits. If QB2 gets hit 20 times and draws a flag 18 of those times... he receives a flag on XX% of the hits.Which QB is getting unfair treatment?

What are you talking about? Save your condescension for when it applies. The 'examples' you are throwing out have nothing to do with what I said, whatsoever. Let me put it a different way for you, so as to not garner you speechless...Brady has been hit 9 times this season, Vick has been hit 50 times. Vick has gotten more roughing the passer flags, because, in part there have been more than 5 times the hits on him than on Brady. It stand to reason that he would be hit illegally much more often as well, right. Does it also stand to reason that Vick may have been hit illegally without flags thrown more than Brady? Thats all I'm saying. The opportunities for missed flags are there at a MUCH higher ratio for Vick than they are for Brady.

You are assuming every time Vick has been hit, it was illegal. Also, you are assuming that Brady has not been hit illegally. Also, you are assuming that just because someone gets hit more then they must be getting hit illegally more, which is not the case. Sorry you see it incorrectly.

 

[renesauz]

Why won't this thread die?

 

[moderated]

Why won't this thread die?

Because NFL refs are racist and need to be called out.

 

[Patroclus]

Why won't this thread die?

Because NFL refs are racist and need to be called out.

This! I remember last year big Ben got his nose broke on a tackle and didn't get a call because he's bl....Oh wait, nevermind

 

[Patroclus]

I nominate this thread for thread of the year! Vick playing the victim card is funny on so many levels!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.

Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Why won't this thread die?

Because NFL refs are racist and need to be called out.

This! I remember last year big Ben got his nose broke on a tackle and didn't get a call because he's bl....Oh wait, nevermind

can we get a :redherring: emoticon?

 

[Patroclus]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

He is taking late hits. I never said he wasn't. I just find all the posts in here saying it's racist hilarious! I referenced big Ben for a reason. Check out some of his hits from last year. Makes Vick look like a powder puff girl. And I actually liked Vick until he pulled the victim thing.

 

[tdoss]

I honestly believe it has nothing to do with race.

Vick is getting hit more...sure. But the missed calls are happening at a similar rate as everyone else. Problem is...because he's getting hit on just about every play (due to his piece of crap O-line)...that ends up meaning he's getting "illegally" hit a few more times per game. Not at a higher rate...probably the same rate as anyone else.

Hits add up...just like the number of runs on a running back. At a certain point...the running back will just start to break down. I think this is more of Vick's concern...but how do you fix that? Missed calls are going to happen...they happen to everyone...and I haven't seen anyone show that they're happening to Vick at a higher rate than normal.

Lastly and to circle back on the race thing. I remember many people getting up in arms over Rush's comments about McNabb being propped up by the league because of his race. People lost their minds...it can't be...no way...not gonna happen. But some of those SAME people are now saying the league is turning a blind eye to Vick...why? Because of race. Amazing.

Can't have it both ways folks...don't act like it was an impossibility for race to ever play a role in the manufacturing of McNabb but then point to race as being a motivating factor for the destruction of Vick. Stop using race at your leisure.

 

[Ladsud]

Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in

 

[butcher boy]

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

 

[unckeyherb]

I honestly believe it has nothing to do with race.Vick is getting hit more...sure. But the missed calls are happening at a similar rate as everyone else. Problem is...because he's getting hit on just about every play (due to his piece of crap O-line)...that ends up meaning he's getting "illegally" hit a few more times per game. Not at a higher rate...probably the same rate as anyone else.Hits add up...just like the number of runs on a running back. At a certain point...the running back will just start to break down. I think this is more of Vick's concern...but how do you fix that? Missed calls are going to happen...they happen to everyone...and I haven't seen anyone show that they're happening to Vick at a higher rate than normal.Lastly and to circle back on the race thing. I remember many people getting up in arms over Rush's comments about McNabb being propped up by the league because of his race. People lost their minds...it can't be...no way...not gonna happen. But some of those SAME people are now saying the league is turning a blind eye to Vick...why? Because of race. Amazing.Can't have it both ways folks...don't act like it was an impossibility for race to ever play a role in the manufacturing of McNabb but then point to race as being a motivating factor for the destruction of Vick. Stop using race at your leisure.

I just grazed back over this thread and I can't find any posts (other than mockingly) that point to racism being the issue for the fair/unfair treatment of Vick. I thought it was assumed by most that he might not get these calls because he is a mobile QB and the refs are gun shy about calling hits on him when he runs. My issue was with the calls I feel he doesn't get when he is in the pocket. I don't think racism is involved.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I honestly believe it has nothing to do with race.

Vick is getting hit more...sure. But the missed calls are happening at a similar rate as everyone else. Problem is...because he's getting hit on just about every play (due to his piece of crap O-line)...that ends up meaning he's getting "illegally" hit a few more times per game. Not at a higher rate...probably the same rate as anyone else.

Hits add up...just like the number of runs on a running back. At a certain point...the running back will just start to break down. I think this is more of Vick's concern...but how do you fix that? Missed calls are going to happen...they happen to everyone...and I haven't seen anyone show that they're happening to Vick at a higher rate than normal.

Lastly and to circle back on the race thing. I remember many people getting up in arms over Rush's comments about McNabb being propped up by the league because of his race. People lost their minds...it can't be...no way...not gonna happen. But some of those SAME people are now saying the league is turning a blind eye to Vick...why? Because of race. Amazing.

Can't have it both ways folks...don't act like it was an impossibility for race to ever play a role in the manufacturing of McNabb but then point to race as being a motivating factor for the destruction of Vick. Stop using race at your leisure.

a good look at it here at this blog fwiw

http://hemmerlingformitchell.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/an-independent-study-of-mike-vick-and-penalties/

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

[size="4"">butcher boy' timestamp='1317758133' post='13627823']

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

Anyone else think this is ironic/hypocritical coming from a guy who slaughters animals for a living? In many countries people in your profession are serving up dogs for 3.99 a pound.

 

[TobiasFunke]

[size="4"">butcher boy' timestamp='1317758133' post='13627823']

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

Anyone else think this is ironic/hypocritical coming from a guy who slaughters animals for a living? In many countries people in your profession are serving up dogs for 3.99 a pound.

No.

 

[butcher boy]

[size="4"">butcher boy' timestamp='1317758133' post='13627823']

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

Anyone else think this is ironic/hypocritical coming from a guy who slaughters animals for a living? In many countries people in your profession are serving up dogs for 3.99 a pound.

What makes you think my username has anything to do with my profession?

 

[jojoh07]

[size="4"">butcher boy' timestamp='1317758133' post='13627823']

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

Anyone else think this is ironic/hypocritical coming from a guy who slaughters animals for a living? In many countries people in your profession are serving up dogs for 3.99 a pound.

What makes you think my username has anything to do with my profession?

who cares but dumb posts like urs ruin this great sight. adios

 

[GroveDiesel]

Good analysis here.

Verdict: Vick is right at the average for RTP penalty rate. He has no standing to complain.

 

[Khy]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.

Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

That is actually not true at all... Kurt Warner in fact had a very good outlook on it in my opinion. He simply said that while Vick is getting hit more often and he doesn't get a lot of the late hit calls that the other pocket QB's get the simple fact is he never will. With almost every pocket passer in the NFL if you are about to bring him down you can pull up and still get the sack 9 times out of 10. With Vick if you are about to sack him and you pull up to avoid said penalty he is gone, you pulled up and now you look around and he is 5 feet to your left. When rushing Michael Vick, whomever manages to get behind the line and have a chance to get Vick needs to run full speed with no pull up in order to ensure a sack. This is something (again according to Warner) most NFL Officials will take into account when judging if a hit was late or not. Oh also, as Tom Jackson put it during the pre-game show this past week. Michael, we understand you forgot, most of us did after your stunning come back last season. However, three years ago you were in prison for harming innocent animals. A lot of these referees are animal lovers and have dogs of there own. While Refs are not supposed to be biased, sometimes with situations like this you are biased without even recognizing it.

Jackson wasn't saying that Vick is wrong, just simply... you were in prison three years ago for doing something terrible and dumb. Don't think that because you had a 101 QB rating last season people just forget that happened.

 

[TobiasFunke]

[size="4"">butcher boy' timestamp='1317758133' post='13627823']

I bet the torture inflicted on those poor dogs hurt a lot more than any hit Vick's taken this year.

Anyone else think this is ironic/hypocritical coming from a guy who slaughters animals for a living? In many countries people in your profession are serving up dogs for 3.99 a pound.

What makes you think my username has anything to do with my profession?

who cares but dumb posts like urs ruin this great sight. adios

This never gets old.

 

[Short Corner]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.

Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

That is actually not true at all... Kurt Warner in fact had a very good outlook on it in my opinion. He simply said that while Vick is getting hit more often and he doesn't get a lot of the late hit calls that the other pocket QB's get the simple fact is he never will. With almost every pocket passer in the NFL if you are about to bring him down you can pull up and still get the sack 9 times out of 10. With Vick if you are about to sack him and you pull up to avoid said penalty he is gone, you pulled up and now you look around and he is 5 feet to your left. When rushing Michael Vick, whomever manages to get behind the line and have a chance to get Vick needs to run full speed with no pull up in order to ensure a sack. This is something (again according to Warner) most NFL Officials will take into account when judging if a hit was late or not. Oh also, as Tom Jackson put it during the pre-game show this past week. Michael, we understand you forgot, most of us did after your stunning come back last season. However, three years ago you were in prison for harming innocent animals. A lot of these referees are animal lovers and have dogs of there own. While Refs are not supposed to be biased, sometimes with situations like this you are biased without even recognizing it.

Jackson wasn't saying that Vick is wrong, just simply... you were in prison three years ago for doing something terrible and dumb. Don't think that because you had a 101 QB rating last season people just forget that happened.

Kudos to Uncle Tom Jackson

 

[Manster]

Good analysis here.

Verdict: Vick is right at the average for RTP penalty rate. He has no standing to complain.

Wow, thread over.................

 

[unckeyherb]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.

Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

That is actually not true at all... Kurt Warner in fact had a very good outlook on it in my opinion. He simply said that while Vick is getting hit more often and he doesn't get a lot of the late hit calls that the other pocket QB's get the simple fact is he never will. With almost every pocket passer in the NFL if you are about to bring him down you can pull up and still get the sack 9 times out of 10. With Vick if you are about to sack him and you pull up to avoid said penalty he is gone, you pulled up and now you look around and he is 5 feet to your left. When rushing Michael Vick, whomever manages to get behind the line and have a chance to get Vick needs to run full speed with no pull up in order to ensure a sack. This is something (again according to Warner) most NFL Officials will take into account when judging if a hit was late or not. Oh also, as Tom Jackson put it during the pre-game show this past week. Michael, we understand you forgot, most of us did after your stunning come back last season. However, three years ago you were in prison for harming innocent animals. A lot of these referees are animal lovers and have dogs of there own. While Refs are not supposed to be biased, sometimes with situations like this you are biased without even recognizing it.

Jackson wasn't saying that Vick is wrong, just simply... you were in prison three years ago for doing something terrible and dumb. Don't think that because you had a 101 QB rating last season people just forget that happened.

So, because Vick is a threat to run and because he was arrested for dog fighting he is simply not getting the calls other QBs are? I think that is the point Vick was trying to make. Certainly was for me.

 

[GroveDiesel]

the uppitiness in this thread is laughable. EVERY actual player on the NFLN or ESPN has said that Vick is right, and yet the FF 's here just keep lol ing along as if there isn't validity to this.

Look at the hits he took more than a second after releasing the ball vs the Giants and tell me that other qbs don't draw flags there. I mean Vick got floored by Def linemen 3-4 times. no flag. Jason Campbell was barely even touched and he drew a flag. Quit playing the 'white guy mocking anyone who suggests racism exists anywhere' (and note that I did not say this was race based, even though that appears to be the cute response from the throng) and actually go back and look at the hits Vick took late in the Giant game. It's not even close. refs are swallowing the whistle on Vick. And you're either biased (anti-vick, anti-eagle etc) or stupid.

That is actually not true at all... Kurt Warner in fact had a very good outlook on it in my opinion. He simply said that while Vick is getting hit more often and he doesn't get a lot of the late hit calls that the other pocket QB's get the simple fact is he never will. With almost every pocket passer in the NFL if you are about to bring him down you can pull up and still get the sack 9 times out of 10. With Vick if you are about to sack him and you pull up to avoid said penalty he is gone, you pulled up and now you look around and he is 5 feet to your left. When rushing Michael Vick, whomever manages to get behind the line and have a chance to get Vick needs to run full speed with no pull up in order to ensure a sack. This is something (again according to Warner) most NFL Officials will take into account when judging if a hit was late or not. Oh also, as Tom Jackson put it during the pre-game show this past week. Michael, we understand you forgot, most of us did after your stunning come back last season. However, three years ago you were in prison for harming innocent animals. A lot of these referees are animal lovers and have dogs of there own. While Refs are not supposed to be biased, sometimes with situations like this you are biased without even recognizing it.

Jackson wasn't saying that Vick is wrong, just simply... you were in prison three years ago for doing something terrible and dumb. Don't think that because you had a 101 QB rating last season people just forget that happened.

So, because Vick is a threat to run and because he was arrested for dog fighting he is simply not getting the calls other QBs are? I think that is the point Vick was trying to make. Certainly was for me.

And as the article I linked to demonstrated, you're both entirely wrong. He gets a call about every 40 times he gets hit. That's actually slightly above average. Aaron Rodgers gets less calls. So do Tony Romo and Matt Schaub. So did Kurt Warner and Brett Favre.