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Michael Vick sentenced to 23 months in prison (1 Viewer)

PatrickT said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
News expected today.I heard it starts soon (10AM Eastern) but could take several hours. :thumbup: Keep it classy, guys.
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Should we start a pool? I'll go with 12 months, including time served.
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You think he's going to get less than his lackeys did, they got 18-21? He's the big fish. Big fish don't get less than the little fish. I say it's more than 24 months.
 
mad sweeney said:
PatrickT said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
News expected today.I heard it starts soon (10AM Eastern) but could take several hours. :thumbdown: Keep it classy, guys.
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Should we start a pool? I'll go with 12 months, including time served.
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You think he's going to get less than his lackeys did, they got 18-21? He's the big fish. Big fish don't get less than the little fish. I say it's more than 24 months.
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Was watching something last night, or maybe I read it somewhere, can't recall. Even if he only got 6 months, he's still lost far more than the other guys. It's estimated he's lost 100 million or more in salary, endorsements etc. Add to that that he'll never be able to regain whatever standard of living he had prior to the event. Supposedly, that could/would weigh into the decision.
 
PatrickT said:
mad sweeney said:
PatrickT said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
News expected today.I heard it starts soon (10AM Eastern) but could take several hours. :confused: Keep it classy, guys.
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Should we start a pool? I'll go with 12 months, including time served.
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You think he's going to get less than his lackeys did, they got 18-21? He's the big fish. Big fish don't get less than the little fish. I say it's more than 24 months.
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Was watching something last night, or maybe I read it somewhere, can't recall. Even if he only got 6 months, he's still lost far more than the other guys. It's estimated he's lost 100 million or more in salary, endorsements etc. Add to that that he'll never be able to regain whatever standard of living he had prior to the event. Supposedly, that could/would weigh into the decision.
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Did it say that this judge was likely to consider those factors? Nothing I have heard or read about this guy leads me to believe that there would be a break for that. Judges aren't really supposed to give a break on jail time based on money lost on the outside. From what I read he's a by the book sentencer who gave the little guys close to the max recommended sentence due to the heinousness of the crime. Vick was the ring leader, the money and the big name behind it all. I don't think Vick gets a break just becuase he was rich beforehand. He should be held more responsible for not distancing himself from this. He also failed a drug test while waiting. I just don't see leniency in this judge's arsenal.
 
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.

 
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mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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That there is HUGE.. Will the league have passed him by come 2010?

 
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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That's right. The judge asked him if he really agreed with that provision even though the sentence could be 5 years. He said yes and knew he couldn't appeal. Is it probation? I thought it would be parole.

 
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment. And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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Seems about right...maybe a bit more than I thought when things first started getting serious. BUT, I really think this is another case where honesty and coming clean would have REALLY served him better. Hindsights a #$%@#$.So, 2010 season before he's even able to play? Or anyone think he gets out and immediately gets picked up by a team for the '09 season? Not like he'll be in shape, or in the mindset of football, nor does he have the , uhh..."quickest" mind to pick up a new playbook in 2 months time.I put a 40% chance that he's completely done with football; whether by being banned by Goddell, or by simply being "black listed" by NFL owners/GM's.
 
Who's the first leech to sign him to a book deal? "The Michael Vick Story".

I feel bad for Falcons fans - may you get a decent QB next year!

 
mad sweeney said:
PatrickT said:
mad sweeney said:
PatrickT said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
News expected today.I heard it starts soon (10AM Eastern) but could take several hours. :lmao: Keep it classy, guys.
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Should we start a pool? I'll go with 12 months, including time served.
Click to expand...
You think he's going to get less than his lackeys did, they got 18-21? He's the big fish. Big fish don't get less than the little fish. I say it's more than 24 months.
Click to expand...
Was watching something last night, or maybe I read it somewhere, can't recall. Even if he only got 6 months, he's still lost far more than the other guys. It's estimated he's lost 100 million or more in salary, endorsements etc. Add to that that he'll never be able to regain whatever standard of living he had prior to the event. Supposedly, that could/would weigh into the decision.
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Did it say that this judge was likely to consider those factors? Nothing I have heard or read about this guy leads me to believe that there would be a break for that. Judges aren't really supposed to give a break on jail time based on money lost on the outside. From what I read he's a by the book sentencer who gave the little guys close to the max recommended sentence due to the heinousness of the crime. Vick was the ring leader, the money and the big name behind it all. I don't think Vick gets a break just becuase he was rich beforehand. He should be held more responsible for not distancing himself from this. He also failed a drug test while waiting. I just don't see leniency in this judge's arsenal.
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Apparently, you were correct. I think 2 years is too much, personally.
 
bcr8f said:
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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That's right. The judge asked him if he really agreed with that provision even though the sentence could be 5 years. He said yes and knew he couldn't appeal. Is it probation? I thought it would be parole.
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Parole is when you get out early, probation is supervision after you're released.
 
I said earlier in the year that because of the publicity, I didn't think he's ever play in the NFL again. But woth all the poor QB play this year, I'm wondering if he still has a shot to come back in 2010. If it's your team, would you want Vick?

 
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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It has been awhile since I have done any Federal Defense work, but IIRC you used to get 1 day off of your sentence for every 4 weeks of "good" behavior. That would reduce his sentence by about 24 days, FWIW.
 
I wonder if Vick regrets not fighting the charges. He plead guilty and with no criminal record he still got almost 40% of the maximum sentence.

 
menobrown said:
I wonder if Vick regrets not fighting the charges. He plead guilty and with no criminal record he still got almost 40% of the maximum sentence.
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He should regret not coming clean right away. His inconsistencies of culpability is one of the reasons they've (talking heads) said that he got more than the recommended sentence. He repeatedly lied about it (which will probably hurt him when Goodell "sentences" him), he tried to hedge in his admissions of guilt, and didn't come clean until all the chips were stacked against him. If he had come clean right away, saved the feds time and cooperated then he probably wouldn't be in as much trouble as he is now. He wasn't going to win a court case about this and it would've delayed any possible return to the league if he did go to trial.
 
Don't forget once Alt gets there sign bonus back they will release him. Then Gooddell will suspend him I am willing to bet a year. He can not start severing that time till he is under contract.

 
Apparently (ESPN Radio - Roger Cossack) he must serve 21 months, and the last month could be in a halfway house.

He COULD be available based on that in August for a training game in 2009......

Yeah, good luck with that.

 
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According to ESPN radio, the minimum he has to serve is 85% of his sentence before he can be released. That's 20.5 months, best case scenario.

 
NEUPJ said:
According to ESPN radio, the minimum he has to serve is 85% of his sentence before he can be released. That's 20.5 months, best case scenario.
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Yes, that was Cossack. He speculated that the NFL "sentence" would also be concurrent with the 20+ month sentence.Would ANY team really gamble on this guy for 2009?
 
Put a fork in him, he is done. He will be in jail for 2 years, that means next season, and the season after that he will be in jail. After that, he will likely get suspended for 1 year, that would be the 2010 season, which would mean some team could take a shot on a QB that has no accuracy, that hasn't played in 4 years, and that is getting older fast. I'm sure his speed won't be the same 4 years from now.

 
snogger said:
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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That there is HUGE.. Will the league have passed him by come 2010?
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I've said it from the beginning...2010 at the earliest, more than 3.5 years since his last meaningful snap in the NFL. How close to 'football' shape could he possibly be in at that point?
 
IIRC, the federal case is independent of the charges the locals could proceed upon. Which could mean even more years/punishment.

Maybe someone else remembers better than I if this is till the case.

I know we all can't get enough of the podunk sheriff that bumbled along earlier in Vick-gate...

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identikit said:
IIRC, the federal case is independent of the charges the locals could proceed upon. Which could mean even more years/punishment.

Maybe someone else remembers better than I if this is till the case.

I know we all can't get enough of the podunk sheriff that bumbled along earlier in Vick-gate...
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I beleive it was the DA.
 
Excellent case study in how to piss away a lifetime of luxury. Career: Over. Money: Gone. So, instead of throwing a football for another five years and then never having to do a damn thing again, ever ... he gets this.

Have a nice life, guy.

 
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After that, he will likely get suspended for 1 year, that would be the 2010 season, which would mean some team could take a shot on a QB that has no accuracy, that hasn't played in 4 years, and that is getting older fast. I'm sure his speed won't be the same 4 years from now.
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Agreed although considering the lack of qb depth in the NFL and the fact that Vick will only be 30 in 2010 I think there is a very good chance he could be back.
 
Well I'll be dog gone, good luck in the pen Mike you'll need it. Probably a lot of inmates in there that loved their dogs.

 
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85% is the correct number but not all needs to be served in jail. A good portion can be served in a halfway house.

No link but I do have a buddy who was sentenced to a year and a day, served 7 months and then the last 3.5 months in a halfway house and worked at his current job with a 12 hour window away from the halfway house and weekend passes at home.

 
suchislife said:
snogger said:
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.

According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.

And also a reminder that his plea agreement includes a provision that he can't appeal the sentence, which is higher than the prosecutors recommended in the plea deal.
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That there is HUGE.. Will the league have passed him by come 2010?
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I've said it from the beginning...2010 at the earliest, more than 3.5 years since his last meaningful snap in the NFL. How close to 'football' shape could he possibly be in at that point?
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As a QB, I find it highly unlikely that he'll be effective again. I doubt he'll get the same nutritional/supplemental intake and exercise regimen to keep him in football shape but it won't be hard to regain that when he gets out. He won't be taking hits and punishment, he's not going to be in gen pop (due to his outside money it isn't safe for him I believe I've heard) so he won't be getting shanked or showered. I think he has a very good shot at being a WR or KR. He'd be a great Slash type player. But full time QB, I doubt it. His skills won't be as impressive in 3 years as they are now and those skills compensated for his pure QB shortcomings.
 
I honestly miss watching him play. Such a sad and unfortunate turn of events for everyone involved. Mistakes and how you come back from them shape your life I guess

 
WTF...

An ESPN 1050 Radio update just said that Falcons owner Arthur Blank has not ruled out a Vick return to the team. I have not been able to find this anywhere else and do not know what ESPN's source is.

 
Michael Vick will have a very difficult road back. Feds require he serve at least 85% which keeps him in until just before the 2009 season begins. The much larger problem he faces is the public relations nightmare the NFL would have if he returns. The NFL does everything it can to control it's image and ensure it remain positive. The NFL is one of the best run businesses in the world. The animal rights people are very passionate folks. They will protest excessively at any game of any team that signs him. The NFL will want nothing to do with that.

I would bet that Godell waits until he is out or just about to get out and then hits him with a two or three year suspension. That will certainly push him past his atheletic prime and the NFL would have less to worry about. Remember, Pacman got a year for being "loosely" associated with crime. This guy was convicted of a felony in Federal Court.

The risk of signing a 30+ year old QB and the swarm of protesters that will follow him will far outweigh what he could bring to a team on the field.

This all assumes that the case the locals in Virginia have falls apart between now and then...

I had Vick on two of my fantasy teams and dropped him the day after his co-defendant pled guilty.

 
Did they make any announcements about where Vick will serve his time? Minimum security or hard time in Marion or Lewisburg? And since we're keeping it classy, I won't ask which prison gang he'll have to join to survive in the Big House.

 
i think the PR aspect is being overblown. This country is a joke when it comes to media coverage. Sure, it will be bad for a week or so when he signs with a new team, but then some marginally talented pop singer will start hooking up with some marginally talented actor and the news focus will shift to that. There is little chance that there would still be protests and rallies months after Vick signed with a new team. Maybe right away there would be a little bit of a fuss, but by the end of the season I think most would be forgotten and his play on the field would be what people would be talking about. I mean there's a chance he could come back and do something else stupid and then the scrutiny would follow him forever, but i think if he serves his time, gets out on good behavior and shows general restraint and remorse for what he's done, the public will forgive him. Ray Lewis was witness to a MURDER and got away with it. a MURDER. Who knows what really happened there but who even still talks about that? Vick will pay for his crimes and pay dearly, and after he does I think America will forgive him for what he did.

 
As long as people like Leonard Little are allowed in the NFL, talk of Vick being permanently banned is ridiculous.

 
mad sweeney said:
23 Months according to ESPN, along wth 3 year's probation.According to their legal analyst, and with prior discussions, thee's no time off for good behavior in the Fed system. He'll serve very close to the whole 23 months. He won't be out until October 09 and then have to deal with a league punishment.
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He's already under suspension from the league. By the time he's released he will have already been under suspension for over 2 years.
 
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