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Middle Aged Dummies - Artist - Round 5 - #15's have been posted. Link in OP. (22 Viewers)

Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.
I believe it was actually Vernon Davis and Ebron was taken much later

 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.
I believe it was actually Vernon Davis and Ebron was taken much later


oh well ...that changes everything! Double E makes for a much better punchline and I'm going to continue to use it. If our leaders have taught us nothing it's that "punching" up a few minor 'facts' in a story contributes to it's entertainment then the means justifies the outcome.

“If I have to create stories so that the members of this board actually pay attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do.”

great pull though Dan - :lmao:
 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.

Two words: American cheese
 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.
I believe it was actually Vernon Davis and Ebron was taken much later

Montee Ball at #12 overall - yikes.
 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.
I believe it was actually Vernon Davis and Ebron was taken much later

Montee Ball at #12 overall - yikes.

Go Badgers
🦡
 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.

Two words: American cheese
The king of cheese 👑 🧀
 
Also, don't sleep on the early Beatles - many of those songs are a lot more complex than the derisive "boy band" moniker pasted onto them
I just shake my head when I see people refer to them as a boy band. I noticed it in Dr. O's album thread. :no:
That's where I most recently saw it, too. I hit "reply" about 18 different times and backed out.
I just gave Mr. Lambskin an eyeroll after he did it again (while dissing Zeppelin in the same post.)

hey - as I remind folks here on a regular basis, our GB @Dan Lambskin has what I am sure has been a life-long struggle with "reasoning skills".

This is a guy that drafted Eric Ebron in the THIRD ROUND of a non-TE premium scoring league.

Two words: American cheese
The king of cheese 👑 🧀

infant Dan.
 
MA-D Round 5: Metallica
#16: Battery
Album: Master of Puppets (1986)


(Youtube version) Battery (Remastered)
(S&M Version) Metallica - Battery (S&M)

Crushing all deceivers, mashing non-believers
Never-ending potency
Hungry violence-seeker, feeding off the weaker
Breeding on insanity



“Battery” is the opener on MoP. The beginning lures you in for a slower, more ballad-y song before building up to a full force explosion. From there it’s pretty much pure thrash: fast and catchy (at least to me). In case you’re curious, this is more the “source of energy and/or passion” Battery rather than the one dealing with physical violence. Though the “cannot kill the family” line also serves as being pro-thrash and against the glam metal scene that was popular in LA around this time.

This is another song that might get slightly boosted thanks to its “S&M” version (see above). Mostly that intro which is pure symphony in more ways than one. Then again, “Battery” is a fan favorite, so I suppose if anything I should bet on “underranked”. There’s a lot of stuff that’s great ahead, is what I’m trying to say.



Next on the countdown, we bounce back to AFJA, where we give our vocalist a break for a few songs.
 
16.

Song:
Keys
Album: Weird Tales
Songwriter: Daniel Murphy, Gary Louris
Smog Lineup:

Jeff Tweedy - guitar
Kraig Johnson – background vocals, guitar
Gary Louris – lead vocals, guitar
Dan Murphy – lead vocals, guitar
Marc Perlman – bass
Jody Stephans - drums


Lead by a super-dirty guitar riff from Dan Murphy it moves like a Delta blues classic with an R&B and rock feel.
 
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16s

Known
Metallica: Battery (might be top 10 for me, love this one)
Doobie Brothers: Minute by Minute
Billy Joel: Big Man on Mulberry St

Caught My Attention
Belinda Carlisle: Band of Gold
Pale Fountains: Something on my Mind
Babys: California
General Public: Too Much if Nothing
Caro Emerald: Never Ever
Hugh Dillon: Ten Feet Tall
City and Colour: Casey's Song
Eric Clapton: Forever Man
 
15's PLAYLIST

[td]Belinda Carlise[/td][td]Zegras11[/td][td]Should I Let You In?
[/td]
[td]Michael Head[/td][td]Eephus[/td][td]Michael Head & The Red Elastic Band -- Fluke
[/td]
[td]People Under the Stairs[/td][td]KarmaPolice[/td][td]The Mike & Chris Story
[/td]
[td]John Waite[/td][td]Charlie Steiner[/td][td]Back on My Feet Again
[/td]
[td]Golden Smog[/td][td]Dr. Octopus[/td][td]Hurricane
[/td]
[td]The GAP Band/Charlie Wilson[/td][td]Don Quixote[/td][td]Shake - The GAP Band
[/td]
[td]The English Beat Family Tree[/td][td]Yo Mama[/td][td]Too Nice To Talk To
[/td]
[td]Caroline Esmeralda van der Leeuw[/td][td]-OZ_[/td][td]Stuck
[/td]
[td]Neil Diamond[/td][td]Mrs. Rannous[/td][td]Holly Holy
[/td]
[td]Steve Marriott[/td][td]zamboni[/td][td]"Don't Burst My Bubble" - Small Faces
[/td]
[td]Conor Oberst[/td][td]Tuffnutt[/td][td]You Will. You? Will. You? Will. You? Will.
[/td]
[td]Smashing Pumpkins[/td][td]Yambag[/td][td]Perfect
[/td]
[td]Otis Redding[/td][td]John Maddens Lunchbox[/td][td]Down in the Valley
[/td]
[td]Meat Loaf[/td][td]snellman[/td][td]For Cryin Out Loud
[/td]
 
15s


[td]Hugh Dillon[/td][td]Mister CIA[/td][td]Three Angels
[/td]
[td]Luna[/td][td]landrys hat[/td][td]Slash Your Tires

[/td]
[td]Metallica[/td][td]Mt. Man[/td][td]To Live Is To Die
[/td]
[td]The Doobie Brothers[/td][td]New Binky The Doormat[/td][td]Dark Eyed Cajun Woman
[/td]
[td]Billy Joel[/td][td]simey[/td][td]Nocturne - Live April 1972 at Sigma Sound Studios
[/td]
[td]Arthur Lee and Love[/td][td]Pip's Invitation[/td][td]Stand Out
[/td]
[td]Beck[/td][td]KarmaPolice[/td][td]We Dance Alone
[/td]
[td]John 5[/td][td]Chaos34[/td][td]The Fight Song - Marilyn Manson
[/td]
[td]City and Colour[/td][td]MrsKarmaPolice[/td][td]Runaway
[/td]
[td]The Waterboys[/td][td]Ilov80s[/td][td]When Ye Go Away
[/td]
[td]Eric Clapton[/td][td]Tau837[/td][td]Running On Faith
[/td]
[td]Ferry Corsten[/td][td]titusbramble[/td][td]U2 - New Year's Day (Ferry Corsten Remix)
[/td]
[td]Cornershop[/td][td]The Dreaded Marco[/td][td]Judy Sucks A Lemon For Breakfast
[/td]
 

#15 - Otis Redding - Down in the Valley​



Comments sometimes from Wikipedia, but not this time
JML Rank - #17
Krista4 Rank - #2
:pickle: :pickle:
Uruk-Hai Rank - Not Ranked
Album - Otis Blue/Otis Redding sings Soul
Recorded - July 9-10 1965
Is this a Cover? - Yes
Songwriter - Bert Berns, Solomon Burke, Babe Chivian, Joe Martin
Notable Covers - Very few here of note.

Comments - This is the final song that only features two of us voting for it.

This the song I have probably listened to the most during this rundown. First few listens it struggled to make an impact, but something kept drawing me to listen to it further. It eventually crawled up to #28 in my rankings. When I asked for rankings I was surprised to see it at #2 from @krista4 so dug deeper. Every time i have searched for more from this song it has given it to me, finally finishing at #17 on my list and #15 overall.

Next Up - After a run of covers, we finally go back to an original.
 
Eric Clapton #15

Eric Clapton - Running on Faith

"Running on Faith" is one of Clapton's most soulful and spiritually resonant songs — a quiet standout from his 1989 album "Journeyman." It is a blend of blues, gospel, and adult rock, built around themes of hope, endurance, and emotional recovery. The song gained further popularity when Clapton recorded a stunning unplugged acoustic version for his 1992 "MTV Unplugged album," and that is the version I chose for the countdown. The song was not released as a single, but it still reached #15 on the Billboard Mainstream rock chart and #28 on the Adult Contemporary chart in 1993 based on radio airplay.

The lyrics speak of someone who has been emotionally damaged but is still hoping for love and redemption. The title says it all: when everything else fails — reason, strength, certainty — you're running on faith. It’s about surrender, not weakness — the kind of surrender that’s necessary for spiritual or emotional transformation. There’s humility in it, but also quiet power.

For the studio version, Clapton’s electric guitar tone is smooth, expressive, understated — with gospel-style bends and a slow, patient build. The song swells gradually, with layered instrumentation: organ, backing vocals, slide guitar. His vocals are emotional but restrained, conveying vulnerability without melodrama. The slide guitar outro is especially moving — a melodic cry of release.

For the unplugged acoustic version, the song was transformed into a country-blues spiritual song with dobro-style slide. It had a simpler arrangement, with more emphasis on the lyrics and mood. The acoustic slide sounds like it’s singing — warm, human, and intimate. This version became a fan favorite for its raw emotional sincerity.

“Running on Faith” isn’t just a song — it’s a statement. A moment of grace from an artist who had weathered difficult life challenges and found something resembling peace. It’s not flashy or bombastic. But that’s exactly what makes it last.
 
Belinda Carlisle has a cute voice. I could listen to this type of Michael Head all day. Caught me in the right mood, and did something different kinda sticking part of a different song in the middle of this one. Cool PUTS song. I'm not nice to hip hop but this has been better than tolerable, and I mean all their songs. The Babys with one I didn't know I knew. Made me feel like a teen in my room listening to the radio. Golden Smog is cooking. "It's a drag when your girlfriend is a hurricane. You can't look her in the eye." Neil Young disagrees. :)
 
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The English Beat Family Tree #15

Too Nice to Talk To


Artist - The English Beat
Album - Wha’ppen? (1981) - sort of

Hey, that’s two Too tunes in a row. And there’ was previously a Two tune too.

This wasn’t released as part of an album, but was later added to reissues of Wha’ppen.

I’m thinking this should have been ranked higher, but I can only think of one song ranked higher I’d move down at this point (due to stupid Applebees).
 
The Gap Band put me on a hs bball road trip. We only had 3 black dudes on the team, but Dalton was 6'6" and built like Junior Seau so he chose the music if he wanted to. Anybody else wear Angel's Flight back then? I'm still embarrassed.
This wasn’t released as part of an album, but was later added to reissues of Wha’ppen.
Really? I feel like it was kinda standard at Chico parties in the early 80s.

Caro Emerald still doing it for me. It's jazz, it swings, it stomps a little. Great discovery.

Turn out the lights and spark a lighter for this UB40.
 
This wasn’t released as part of an album, but was later added to reissues of Wha’ppen.
Really? I feel like it was kinda standard at Chico parties in the early 80s.
sorry, I worded that poorly. It was released as a single at the end of 1980, but wasn’t included in one of their studio albums until later. Another upcoming (very) high ranker was also like that.
 
Smashing Pumpkins #15

Song
: Perfect
Album: Adore

Summary: This was the second single released from their fourth album, Adore. It was a known fact that Billy wanted to do something different after Mellon Collie and hinted at “arcane night music”. I’m not sure anyone was quite ready for the change in direction and sales were not great. I have a complicated relationship with this album overall. Being the obsessive fan I was, I really tried to be open minded but that college kid wanted more Pumpkins rock. Over time, I grew to appreciate it a bit more and quite enjoyed revisiting it during this deep dive. It is not up there with other albums, but does have several really good songs.

To me this song feels a bit out of place in context to the rest of the album, which is probably why I like it so much. Many compare this song to 1979 and to expand on the similarities between the two songs, the band released a music video for Perfect which continued the story of the characters in "1979".
 

#15 - Otis Redding - Down in the Valley​



Comments sometimes from Wikipedia, but not this time
JML Rank - #17
Krista4 Rank - #2
:pickle: :pickle:
Uruk-Hai Rank - Not Ranked
Album - Otis Blue/Otis Redding sings Soul
Recorded - July 9-10 1965
Is this a Cover? - Yes
Songwriter - Bert Berns, Solomon Burke, Babe Chivian, Joe Martin
Notable Covers - Very few here of note.

Comments - This is the final song that only features two of us voting for it.

This the song I have probably listened to the most during this rundown. First few listens it struggled to make an impact, but something kept drawing me to listen to it further. It eventually crawled up to #28 in my rankings. When I asked for rankings I was surprised to see it at #2 from @krista4 so dug deeper. Every time i have searched for more from this song it has given it to me, finally finishing at #17 on my list and #15 overall.

Next Up - After a run of covers, we finally go back to an original.

I ranked this song #17 in our very first middle-aged dummy countdown. Tried at first to limit each artist to one song, but in Otis's case (as well as Stevie Wonder's), it was just impossible. Since I don't have much time right now, I looked at that thread to see if I could crib my own write-up, but I didn't do one!

The one thing I'll say right now is that what I love about this song is that it is filthy. I don't mean the lyrics or anything, but just the feel. Filth, filth, filth, in the very best possible way. Dripping with sex. I have to shower after listening. I'm glad that it grew on JML. :)
 
Smashing Pumpkins #15

Song
: Perfect
Album: Adore

Summary: This was the second single released from their fourth album, Adore. It was a known fact that Billy wanted to do something different after Mellon Collie and hinted at “arcane night music”. I’m not sure anyone was quite ready for the change in direction and sales were not great. I have a complicated relationship with this album overall. Being the obsessive fan I was, I really tried to be open minded but that college kid wanted more Pumpkins rock. Over time, I grew to appreciate it a bit more and quite enjoyed revisiting it during this deep dive. It is not up there with other albums, but does have several really good songs.

To me this song feels a bit out of place in context to the rest of the album, which is probably why I like it so much. Many compare this song to 1979 and to expand on the similarities between the two songs, the band released a music video for Perfect which continued the story of the characters in "1979".
Quoting my own selection, I just picked up a floor ticket to Billy Corgan and the Machines of God this Tuesday. This tour is only in smaller venues and has a setlist featuring some of the more obscure tracks from the Machina days (plus some hits).
 
15. Stand Out
Albums: Out Here (1969) and False Start (1970)

As revered as Forever Changes is now, we have to remember that it was not a hit when released in late 1967, and thus there was no pressure to produce follow-ups that sounded like it. And so the sound Arthur Lee forged with his new lineup of Love at the 1968-69 warehouse sessions was quite different from it, and owed heavily to the hard-rock stylings of Lee's friend Jimi Hendrix.

"Stand Out" is one of the best distillations of the Hendrix sound from those sessions. It gallops along rhythmically while treating us to outbursts of wah-wah guitar and several fast-fingered solos from lead guitarist Jay Donnellan. In construction, pacing, sonic shape and most importantly, use of cowbell, it bears a pretty strong resemblance to Hendrix' "Stone Free".

Lyrically, though, it's all Arthur Lee. It touches on a theme that we will see again later -- if you hate me because of my race, then tell me to my face and don't hide your true feelings.

I'm supposed to love you
But I don't know why
'Cause you don't want
To have nothing to with me, no
You hurt my feelings
And you make me cry
And it's the kind of thing
That gets next to me
Yes, stand out
I think you ought to stand out
And let me see whatever you are

Now you say your mother taught you
To tell right from wrong
But this will show you
The dividing line between the weak and the strong
If you go around labeling people
By their color or their size
All I can tell you people is
That you're in for a big surprise
Yes, stand out
I think you ought to stand out
So I can see whatever you are
Stand out, stand out

Now you supposed to love me
And if you don't know why
Well, I'm your ticket to heaven to get to heaven with
And that ain't no lie
I see a man lying on his death bed
All filled up with hate
You better put some love in his life
Come on, hours getting late
Stand out, yeah
I think you ought to stand out
And let 'em see whatever you are, yeah
That's what you ought to
Do
How is that for real


Lee must have thought highly of the song because he released it twice in less than 1 year. It first appeared on the double album Out Here, consisting of the 17 songs from the warehouse sessions that were released by Blue Thumb, Love's new label, after Elektra took the 10 songs they were owed for the final album under their contract with Love, Four Sail. Then a live version from London in early 1970 (by which point Gary Rowles had replaced Donnellan as lead guitarist) was included on the second Blue Thumb record, False Start, which otherwise consists of studio recordings.

"Stand Out" was the single released from Out Here in the UK, France, Japan, Spain and South Africa, but not in the U.S., which got no single from the record.

There are documented live performances of "Stand Out" in 1970, 1975 and 1993. There is another I can verify from 1994 -- when I saw Lee and Love in Asbury Park that year, they finished their set with "Stand Out," which was a request from someone in the audience. There is no record of it having been performed since then.

False Start version (recorded live in London in 1970): https://open.spotify.com/track/74OXxF3dWJUoPbl8RdrakM?si=091484d8ee86487d

Live version from NYC in 1970 (appears on Studio/Live): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNcmlLz6SBs

Live version from San Francisco in 1970 (appears on Coming Through to You: The Live Recordings (1970-2004)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGs0N4Ov-Lg

(To my ears, Lee sounds angrier when singing this on American soil than when singing it on British soil.)

At #14, we have seven songs from Forever Changes left and will get to one of them.
 
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Nocturne

Billy wrote this song for his 1971 debut album Cold Spring Harbor. It's an instrumental where we are introduced to the Billy that was classically trained. This is my transition song into the second half of the countdown. I chose the live version from April 1972 at Sigma Sound Studios, WMMR Radio, in Philadelphia. I think this song is beautiful, and it soothes my soul.
 
Marilyn Manson was blamed for the Columbine shootings in 99. Concerts were canceled. The ones that weren't met with protests. His music was regionally banned for depicting rape, animal sacrifice and bestiality, which wasn't true... yet. He said, "The Columbine era destroyed my entire career at the time." He fought back with music.

John 5 left David Lee Roth for Manson in late 98, just in time for all the drama. He just wanted to be in a hot modern band that let him dress as a monster. His playing on 2000s Holy Wood is perhaps his darkest and most powerful. The album launched what hard core Manson fans consider the glory years. The three John 5/Manson albums are something else. Where suffering through all the Zombie for favorite songs was trying, I'll probably visit the John 5/Manson era again. I'll probably give Manson's later stuff a go someday too. Need to be in the mood, and it helps to know what the artist is addressing, but I'm a fan.

Aptly named, The Fight Song, referencing high school sports fight songs, comes with a video depicting Jocks vs Goths in a brutal and unfair high school football game. The chant, fight fight fight, oddly had me flash on a recent assassination attempt. It's one of Manson's more recognizable songs, a bit of an anthem for his interesting fans. This write-up could have been much longer, but I think you get the picture.

Marilyn Manson - The Fight Song
 

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