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Middle Aged Dummies - Artist - Round 5 - #19's have been posted. Link in OP. (21 Viewers)

Eephus said:
My first spin of the week actually snuck by me last Friday. It's a new autobiographical project from David Lowery of Camper Van Beethoven and Cracker. It's 11:30 PM here and I'm looking down a 28 track album with a runtime of almost 2 hours. There's no way I get through this one.

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Fathers, Sons and Brothers

David Lowery · Album · 2025 · 28 songs
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Does the Thumper rule apply to MADs adjacent album? Asking for a friend :oldunsure:
 

#19 - Otis Redding - Pain in My Heart​

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Pain in My Heart

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JML Rank - #23
Krista4 Rank - #19
Uruk-Hai Rank - #19
Album - Pain in My Heart
Recorded - 1962/1963
Is this a Cover? - Yes and No. See comments.
Songwriter - Naomi Neville
Notable Covers - The Rolling Stones, A-Cads, Beverley Simmons, Helene Smith, Don Rich, Carl Douglas, Five’s Company,

Comments - Only two songs that are ranked much higher have less disparity in rankings between the three of us.

The name of the songwriter, Naomi Neville was a pseudonym for renowned Allen Toussaint. This song has a complicated and long story. It was originally written by Otis Redding, but due to its similarity to the Toussaint written Ruler of my Heart, Stax records agreed to change the name of the songwriter to Toussaints mother Naomi Neville. Welcome to the entertainment business Otis. Toussaint is worthy of a artist category himself. He was a renowned musician, songwriter and producer. Maybe @Uruk-Hai can give us more.

Next Up - We’ve had a Happy Song. What about the opposite?
 
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#19 - Otis Redding - Pain in My Heart​

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Pain in My Heart

Otis Redding · Pain in My Heart · Song · 1964
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JML Rank - #23
Krista4 Rank - #19
Uruk-Hai Rank - #19
Album - Pain in My Heart
Recorded - 1962/1963
Is this a Cover? - Yes and No. See comments.
Songwriter - Naomi Neville
Notable Covers - The Rolling Stones, A-Cads, Beverley Simmons, Helene Smith, Don Rich, Carl Douglas, Five’s Company,

Comments - Only two songs that are ranked much higher have less disparity in rankings between the three of us.

The name of the songwriter, Naomi Neville was a pseudonym for renowned Allen Toussaint. This song has a complicated and long story. It was originally written by Otis Redding, but due to its similarity to the Toussaint written Ruler of my Heart, Stax records agreed to change the name of the songwriter to Toussaints mother Naomi Neville. Welcome to the entertainment business Otis. Toussaint is worthy of a artist category himself. He was a renowned musician, songwriter and producer. Maybe @Uruk-Hai can give us more.

Next Up - We’ve had a Happy Song. What about the opposite?
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This is one of Redding's signature early performances and helped solidify the template for about 2/3 of his most well-known records. I'm a sucker for a good horn section and the Memphis Horns don't disappoint here. Otis sings his *** off, as usual. The backing band is only - yawn - Booker T & The MGs.

Toussaint may have been the greatest jack-of-every-trade-and-master-of-them-all in rock history - for at least it's first 30 years, anyway. I would love to read a good biography on him, as he seems fascinating to me.
 
Avril Lavigne was just 18 in 2002 when she made the biggest selling album of the 21st century by a Canadian. A couple years later she was living it up backstage after a Marilyn Manson concert. Manson shaved the side of her head to be like his beginning their long-term friendship.

Fast forward a decade and Avril is living it up in the studio working on a song written by her then husband, Chad Kroeger, the lead singer of Nickleback. At 4am she decided Manson was perfect for it, so she texted him. He called her back and 30 minutes later was headed to the studio.

Manson being Manson, he had issues with the song and wasn’t content to just add some vocals. The lead guitar didn’t work with the way Avril was rocking tf out. He knew a guy. Around 6am he woke up his old bandmate John 5. They hadn’t worked together for 7 years. John said yes. John gives this track more of a Manson edge than Manson does.

Reviews were humorously mixed. AllMusic’s Stephen Erlewine called it disgusting and said the lyrics were like a bad Nickleback song. Billboard’s Jason Lipshot called it salacious and sloppy. Another went with unapologetically smutty (is that a bad thing?). Yet another called it particularly pungent. I side with the reviews that call it glorious chaos and proof Lavigne can push boundaries and rock tf out.

Avril Lavigne - Bad Girl (Feat. Marilyn Manson) (From "Suicide Squad")

Manson shared this story in an interview as evidence there were no hard feelings between him and John. Something the two of them have maintained in countless interviews because they did come to blows on stage a little over year before parting ways. More on that later.
 
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Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan #19

Song: Honestly
Album: Mary Star of the Sea

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Summary: The only song on the list from a side/solo project. Personally I love the Zwan album in its entirety and felt it was a good direction to go after the breakup. Alas, the band only lasted two years, according to Corgan “I really enjoyed my experience with Zwan, but at the end of the day, without that sense of deeper family loyalty, it just becomes like anything else.” Other comments lean towards internal friction, nothing new in Pumpkin world. Honestly was the lead single and one that is sometimes still played live. Also check out Lyric.

'Cause there's no place that I could be without you
It's too dark to discard the life I once knew
Honestly, a single wrong is not enough
To cover up the pain in us
 
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Pack Up The Louie

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Remix for any fans of caravan palace (IIRC, caravan palace led me to ms emerald).

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The clock rings and it's half past eleven
Can't believe it but the time just flies
Soon I'll be on a cruise into heaven
Hearin' stories and a thousand lies
About the things that I never do
Experience that I don't have
It's kinda scary on the Big Queen Mary
Gotta get it, gotta do it fast

Gotta grab a piece of paper
Wish I could find my pen
What am I takin' ya?
What am I waiting for?

I gotta pack, gotta pack up the Louie
And I can't leave a thing behind

I’m not Sure who the guy is, but his voice is great imo.
(Louie, Louie, Louie, pack up the Louie
We’re gonna I pack it up every day
Louie, Louie, Louie, pack up the Louie
Lock it up and we’re on our way
Louie, Louie, Louie, pack up the Louie
Pack it up, we’re on our way
Louie, Louie, Louie, pack up the Louie
Louie, Louie, Louie, pack up the Louie)


Yes, apparently the song is about her bag.
 
#19: PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS - SAN FRANCISCO KNIGHTS

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IF you had heard a PUTS song before this countdown, chances are it was either Acid Raindrops from the last 5 out, or this track from their debut. These are the two songs that show up first when you go to their Spotify page, crowd favorites, and staples at their shows. Pretty straight forward song about a road trip to SF for a show. Because of this song people (like me when I first was digging into them) would think they are from SF instead of LA.

Knight, Lord Radio and Hale Bopp the Bay Bridge faded
Tryin' to find Smiley's house, thank God we made it
Yo, blunts, broads and beats, keep it low through the streets

All you have to do it take a look at the album cover to realize just how low budget and DIY this first album was. It really is a great debut and it is probably underrepresented on the playlist (sorry, @rockaction ) with only two songs. I leaned slightly towards the jump in production from the 2nd album and the familiarity I already had with OST instead. I am working on a next 31 like I did with Journey, and I was listening to this album yesterday having a really hard time narrowing down even the next wave of great songs from this one . Right from the start, they had all the staples of their music I have been talking about - specific biographical lyrics, great beats and samples, and pop culture references that made me laugh and want to listen hard to catch them all.

Phony homie, you'll never rock a party
Your wack-*** crew gets called out
See I play the Rod Roddy, come on down

NEXT: on the next album they go a little farther away than SF.
 
#19: BECK - JACK-***

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Not much to say here. This one has always been a favorite from Odelay, I just l always dug the chill vibe with this on in the middle of the album.

When I wake up someone will sweep up my lazy bones
And we will rise in the cool of the evening
I remember the way that you smiled
When the gravity shackles were wild
And something is vacant when I think it's all beginning

NEXT: A thank you to @Eephus for making me double back. I had forgotten about this gem...
 
19. Everybody's Gotta Live
Albums: Vindicator (Arthur Lee solo, 1972), Reel to Real (1974) and Love Lost aka Found Love: The Lost '71 Sessions (recorded 1971, released 2009)

I didn't hear "Everybody's Gotta Live" until 1994 when I saw Arthur Lee and Love for the first time. The two albums that it appeared on, Lee's first solo album Vindicator (1972) and Reel to Real (1974), the final Love album before a long hiatus, were out of print. But it certainly sounded like it belonged among the Lee/Love classics, and it is now the second-most-popular Love song on Spotify, with more than 44 million listens, because of how it's been featured in popular culture.

The song is one of Lee's most straightforward and catchy, with a memorable chorus: "Everybody's gotta live/And everybody's gonna die/Everybody's gotta live/I think you know the reason why". This is most apparent on the Real to Reel version, which is acoustic and turns the chorus into a singalong with a gaggle of session vocalists, and is what I put on the playlist.

As tormented as Arthur Lee was, and as much of a downer as his lyrics often were, he did understand that we have to look for light when there is darkness, and "Everybody's Gotta Live" expounds on that, making it one of his most hopeful songs.

Sometimes the going gets so good
Then again it gets pretty rough
But when I have you in my arms baby
You know I just can't, I just can't get enough

I had a dream the other night baby
I dreamt that I was all alone
But when I woke up I took another look around myself
And I was surrounded by fifty million strong

Lee first attempted the song, in an electric arrangement, when recording for CBS in 1971. That version surfaced when those sessions were released in 2009 as Love Lost; on Spotify, that collection appears with a slightly different tracklist under the name Found Love: The Lost '71 Sessions. It was first officially released in a similar but more polished electric arrangement on Lee's first solo album Vindicator. That version was released as a single but did not chart. Lee then re-recorded it for the next Love album Real to Reel, both in an acoustic version that closes the album and an electric version that appears as a bonus track on the deluxe edition. For Record Store Day in 2021, High Moon Records issued an EP with both Real to Reel-era versions and four other songs, three of which had never been heard before. The EP's contents can now be found on the deluxe edition of Real to Reel.

"Everybody's Gotta Live" appeared in setlists pretty consistently between 1974 and Arthur Lee's death, often segueing into John Lennon's "Instant Karma"; it was performed that way at both of my shows.

There has been renewed interest in the song in the last 6 years. It was featured in the 2019 film Jojo Rabbit, it was covered by rapper Mac Miller on his posthumous 2020 album Circles under the title "Everybody" and it could be heard in a 2024 episode of the TV show A Man on the Inside. These uses probably account for its popularity on Spotify.

Vindicator version: https://open.spotify.com/track/6nTL1KhyjN3RzdRJFICZ81?si=6b3bac92141d430a

Electric version from Reel to Real sessions (bonus track on deluxe edition): https://open.spotify.com/track/4LoWxLw2Gc6vStBjoKROIR?si=237f8ccf6a824596

1971 version: https://open.spotify.com/track/59fvJNbJvUZ340IDUsFqxx?si=b33c8ca25dea43a1

Live electric version from LA in 1978 with Bryan MacLean (with Instant Karma): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9GX7vu_1nM

Live electric version from 1990 (location unknown): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AGYGbiCR3Y

Live electric version from Liverpool in 1992 with Michael Head's Shack (with Instant Karma): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8AYpewjmek

Live acoustic version from 1994 in Northampton, MA (with Instant Karma; appears on Coming Through to You: The Live Recordings (1970-2004)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDbLAsCn7Ww

Live electric version from Manchester, UK in 2002 (with Instant Karma): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouhX1XssR18

Live electric version from Gloucester, UK in 2004 (with Instant Karma; appears on Coming Through to You: The Live Recordings (1970-2004)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7WBvOHNP7w

At #18, another song about living.
 
#19 Without You (Spotify) - Charlie Wilson

This was Charlie Wilson’s first #1 single on the adult R&B chart, making it his first hit as a solo artist. It is from his 2000 album, Bridging the Gap (get it). In his memoir, Charlie Wilson wrote:

The album, called Bridging the Gap, debuted on the Top 200 Billboard chart and managed to yield the hit single “Without You,” a beautiful ballad that climbed to number one on Billboard’s Adult R&B chart—my first number one single as a solo artist. Music television stations also gave a lot of airtime to the song and seemed to really dig its beautiful, spare video, which reintroduced me to fans in a much more pared-down, modern way [music video in the YouTube link above]. We cultivated an image that was vastly different from the funk cowboy look I’d long been known for as part of The GAP Band. Back when releasing independent albums was considered taboo in an industry that prided itself on handpicking and force-feeding stars and hits to consumers, I broke through the barrier and created my own platform on which to stand as Charlie Wilson, solo artist.
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It was shortly after this that Charlie Wilson decided to leave The GAP Band. Tension had been building for years over money and management (going back to the Lonnie Simmons days), which split the brothers apart and things become unbearable. After the success of this album and song, it became further impossible to both keep his brothers happy by performing as part of The GAP Band, while also trying to further his solo brand, as his brothers did not want to be a part of that. So, he decided to leave the group.

Next, we go to IV.
 
20.

Song: Jennifer Save Me
Album: Weird Tales
Songwriter: Kraig Johnson, Gary Louris
Smog Lineup:

Kraig Johnson – guitar, background vocals
Jeff Tweedy – guitar
Gary Louris – lead vocals, wurlitzer
Dan Murphy – guitar
Marc Perlman – background vocals, bass
Jody Stephens – drums


The Weird Tales album ends with the swirling, plaintive cry of ‘Jennifer Save Me’ as Gary Louris sings of “seeing her tomorrow’” to an increasingly ragged sonic backdrop.
 
19. Head First (Head First,1978)

The song that shares its name with the album yet relegated to the first track on the second side of the album was written by the three members hired after keyboardist Michael Corby, so it's a good indicator of the direction that John Waite and ultimately their label, Chrysalis Records, preferred. It was originally the B side of their hit Every Time I Think of You and was later released as its own single, reaching #77 on Billboard's Hot 100.

For those not keeping score, this is the sixth consecutive track from Head First. There are three more tracks on the album, will any more of them make the countdown?
 
She's Got A Way

Billy wrote this song for his 1971 debut album Cold Harbor Spring. There was a mistake made in the production where everything was sped up, and Billy said he sounded like one of the Chipmunks. Columbia, who eventually bought the publishing rights to the album, tried to fix the error some years later, but Billy says it still doesn't sound right. He used to refer to this song as his cornball song. He thought the song sounded corny, and he could have done a better job on the lyrics, but he has warmed up to it over the years, and he likes it now. I chose the version off of his 1981 live album Songs in the Attic, which is mostly songs from his first three LPs. The song is just Billy's voice and his piano. I love the simplicity of the song, and I think it's a lovely ballad.

She comes to me when I'm feeling down
Inspires me without a sound
She touches me, and I get turned around

She's got a way of showin'
How I make her feel
And I find the strength to keep on goin'
She's got a light around her
And everywhere she goes
A million dreams of love surround her everywhere
 
The next 4 songs on the Cornershop playlist come from their 2002 album, Handcream for a Generation. It's another major style shift from the band as they've done on each previous album....

Handcream starts with a Memphis soul groove raveup called “Heavy Soup”. It’s not really a song, because all it does is to warm us up for the album ahead; Chicago bluesman Otis Clay does the vocal duties, introducing us to each song we’re going to hear as if this is all an actual real live concert. Ballsy? Yes. Annoying? Slightly. Important? Absolutely. This is Tjinder Singh’s Stax tour of England, his Live at the Apollo. This is him letting go of the intellectual and embracing the soul.

One of the ways he does that here is to throw in everything that one is not supposed to do in today’s musical climate. Children’s choruses are cheesy and discredited, right? Well, that’s probably why he throws one in on the second track, “Staging the Plaguing of the Raised Platform”. What this song is all about, I don’t really know for sure-something about keeping the dope dope and the dope dope. I’ve heard that “the raised platform” is supposed to be musical artists who have a stage and a captive audience yet fail to do anything interesting or uplifting with it . . . but I don’t care, really, because it’s an easy-rocking number with a triple-violin attack and a real live children’s chorus singing along.

Sins against fashion are all over the record. “Lessons Learned From Rocky I to Rocky III” is basically Bachman Turner Overdrive on indie-oids, all big fat power chords and gospel singers wailing away in the background. Since it’s not very cool to have 14-minute guitar/sitar jams, that’s exactly what Cornershop delivers with “Spectral Mornings.” Interestingly, one of the guitarists on this track is Oasis’ Noel Gallagher, who contributes his less-is-more-or-at-least-you-better-hope-so- cause-less-is-all-you’re-gonna-get-and-it’s-pub-time ham-fisted power chords in the right speaker. More interestingly, the sitar on this record is played by Sheema Mukherjee; Anthony Saffery, one of the actual bandmembers, used to play sitar, but here he is strictly on guitar duty. What this means in general, I don’t know, but it translates into this being Cornershop’s least “Indian” sounding record. “Wogs Will Walk” is a hot funk/soul track with some enigmatic lyrics comparing Asian progress to the speed of the World Wide Web. Or maybe it isn’t. Ah, hell, who knows.

Difficult and easy, dance-y and indie, a lot of folks don’t think it’s as good as When I Was Born for the Seventh Time, and you know, whatever-they might be right, if that’s the way they think. But I think this one might end up proving to be more important and better-regarded in the long run, because it shows that Tjinder Singh is not content with going halfway to discontent, and that he’s willing to take chances for chances’ sake. Transitional albums rule, and this album rules too. But if you favor Born to Run over Darkness on the Edge of Town or Purple Rain over Around the World in a Day, then you better jump off the Cornershop bandwagon, because the ride’s gonna get a bit bumpier before it gets easier.
 
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19. Head First (Head First,1978)

The song that shares its name with the album yet relegated to the first track on the second side of the album was written by the three members hired after keyboardist Michael Corby, so it's a good indicator of the direction that John Waite and ultimately their label, Chrysalis Records, preferred. It was originally the B side of their hit Every Time I Think of You and was later released as its own single, reaching #77 on Billboard's Hot 100.

For those not keeping score, this is the sixth consecutive track from Head First. There are three more tracks on the album, will any more of them make the countdown?
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Too bad Michael Head doesn't have a song with "wait" in the title :kicksrock:
 
Catching up on the 20's. I agree with everyone that says it's a good list. Despite that feeling, there were some I didn't consider adding, a couple that I nearly added and several I did add:

Almost added:

Courtesy of the Columbia House Record and Tape Exchange program, I had The Go-Go's Beauty and the Beat cassette and played it enough that my memory was jogged upon hearing Tonite. Liked it then, still like it now.

I really liked Someday, though I feel it's another song I would have to turn down if my windows are down at a traffic light.

Lazy Sunday sounded too much like The Small Faces were channeling Herman's Hermits.

Blues for Terry Southern came so close especially because it reminds me of The Blue Jean Committe's song Going Out to Hollywood. It was also interesting to hear about Terry Southern and SNL; I thought Michael O'Donahue was the only writer bringing the absurdist vibe in the early years.

Added:

Neighbors

Red-Headed Stepchild

Holly Holy though its use in Here Comes the Boom forever gives it a slightly comedic aura.

White Shoes has a melancholy tone that I like.

Love Man because Otis.

Bonnie and Clyde because the original version just missed the cut on my Mad Men countdown.

Big Shot so my wife has something listen to when I play my Spotify playlist in the car.

Hello, I'm in Delaware because it just hit me right.

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The Cornershop #20 song sent me down a rabbit hole to find out the name of the female singer who duetted with Tjinder Singh. She had a very rootsy American voice that shouldn't have worked on a Cornershop song except that it did.

She turned out to be Paula Frazer, a San Francisco local who still plays around town with her band Tarnation. She's been in a bunch of SF bands. I don't believe I've ever seen her but we have a few mutuals.
 
The English Beat Family Tree #19

Friends Again

Artist - General Public
Album - Rub it Better (1995)

This was a fun discovery this exercise and a song that kept creeping up in my rankings as I finalized my list. It was a rare crooner by Wakeling that stood out on their lone 90s 311-style album.

Even though this song featured Dave, Ranking Roger was still contractually obligated to throw in some random reggae skat motorboating to keep him engaged.
 
Michael Head #19 - Michael Head & The Strands - "Queen Matilda" (1997)

We head forward a few years in the 90s. Shack was on hiatus at the time while they waited for resolution of their recorded, lost, found and buried album Waterpistol. Head got some money from a French indie label and started to write and record with most of his Shack bandmates under the name Michael Head & The Strands. This was the first time that Mick became Michael in the credits.

The Strand was named after a road in Liverpool that runs along Merseyside to the sea. Liverpool has been a port city for centuries and I'm sure Head must have known sailors and dockworkers in his time. Several of his songs include nautical references including "Queen Matilda", a sailor's lament about a girl who went away.
 
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