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Middle School Pizza Party -- WWYD (1 Viewer)

Pizza party -- WWYD

  • No tip, don't say anything to parent organization

    Votes: 23 37.7%
  • No tip, say something to parent organization

    Votes: 6 9.8%
  • Tip, don't say anything to parent organization

    Votes: 7 11.5%
  • Tip, say something to parent organization

    Votes: 22 36.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Total voters
    61

gianmarco

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7th grade pizza party organized by the parent association. Two parent organization leaders organize volunteers to help with set up, details, etc. My wife volunteers to pick up the pizzas with another parent. There's a total of 82 pizzas. Email sent with the details has the following:

--Please count the pizzas before leaving to make sure we have the correct number and toppings.
--Since it’s a large order, we recommend arriving together to make it easier to carry everything.
--The order is already
paid in full.

Wife arrives with another parent and gets the pizzas. Gets the receipt and finds out that they left a tip of $0.

WWYD?
 
Interesting question. Any service fees already added?

I tip the delivery driver but not the house when I pick it up myself. But for 82 pizzas seems like there should be something. But as a volunteer I definitely would not pay out of my pocket for anything.
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for
82 pizzas?

For a few pizzas, sure. Large order like that?
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for
82 pizzas?

For a few pizzas, sure. Large order like that?
If your business model is selling food, isn’t selling a lot of food what you’re trying to do?

Like look at any place that sells large orders of fried chicken, like the big foil trays you get for graduations. They tend to charge you less per piece the more you order (perhaps capping out at a certain point)

But because it’s pizza I should pay extra because I ordered a lot?
 
Agree with someone above. What's the tip for? They didn't deliver it. The people making it get paid an hourly wage to do so, as does the manager. I'd leave something usually. But if that's what the organization decided, then so be it. Not your problem.

I ran a delivery pizza chain back in my younger days. Delivery chains make an obscene profit margin. The $11 large cost us like $4 to make including labor, food cost, rent, etc, I would not have expected anything unless it was delivered, which we usually had 2-3 people do in the case of large orders. Even if profit margins are smaller now, let's say they made $4 per pie. That's $300+. They can give a bonus to their workers if they want
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza
This.
Tipping culture is out of control.

tipping is a bit out of control these days. I realize that it's hard on a lot of people these days and I sympathize but I'm generally no tip unless I'm getting something delivered.

It really is. I still tip good especially done in. can’t tell you the last time l left under 20% even with bad service and I’m probably closer to 25% on average . I’d love to just see places pay a living wage and factor it into their prices instead of guilting me into paying a living wage

The other day wife and I popped into a bar before a concert. We ordered 2 white claws and the bill was over $20, then the dude turns around the tablet or whatever and the default options are like 25% 30% 35%. I didn’t feel like looking for the opt out button but sure dude here’s $4 for grabbing 2 cans out of the fridge
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
 
Who exactly would you be tipping? There's no server or driver and the back of the house already makes minimum wage (at least). You'd most likely be tipping the owner or manager.
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
Looks like both do $500M+ in annual sales. Is $1B the mark where I don’t tip?

Anyone have a matrix showing how much I should tip based on annual sales and number of pizzas ordered?
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
Looks like both do $500M+ in annual sales. Is $1B the mark where I don’t tip?

Anyone have a matrix showing how much I should tip based on annual sales and number of pizzas ordered?

This is your battle, soldier. You tell us.
 
This is an absolutely appropriate tipping situation. The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas. The owner is stoked as is, but everyone else has been working their *** off for the past 2+ hours to make this happen. Throw them 50 bucks and go get the damn money from the parent association.
this

those 82 pizzas made it so they either fell behind, or couldn't fulfill, other orders.

if i recall anything about working at a place the did large-scale orders like this, someone probably called in the order the night before which gives the restaurant little/no time to prep for the demand.

throw these kids a tip
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
Looks like both do $500M+ in annual sales. Is $1B the mark where I don’t tip?

Anyone have a matrix showing how much I should tip based on annual sales and number of pizzas ordered?

This is your battle, soldier. You tell us.
I believe you are the one who established we don’t need to tip employees of multi-billion dollar companies so I figured you knew where the line should be drawn
 
This is an absolutely appropriate tipping situation. The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas. The owner is stoked as is, but everyone else has been working their *** off for the past 2+ hours to make this happen. Throw them 50 bucks and go get the damn money from the parent association.
this

those 82 pizzas made it so they either fell behind, or couldn't fulfill, other orders.

if i recall anything about working at a place the did large-scale orders like this, someone probably called in the order the night before which gives the restaurant little/no time to prep for the demand.

throw these kids a tip
Were they forced at gunpoint to make these pizzas? Pretty sure they could have declined the order if it was too much of a hassle
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?
They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?
They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
Looks like both do $500M+ in annual sales. Is $1B the mark where I don’t tip?

Anyone have a matrix showing how much I should tip based on annual sales and number of pizzas ordered?

This is your battle, soldier. You tell us.
I believe you are the one who established we don’t need to tip employees of multi-billion dollar companies so I figured you knew where the line should be drawn

....in response to you saying you would tip a "mom and pop" place for carryout.

So Jets and Hungry Howies are out for you. Costco also out.

What about Kruse and Muer? This is your line.
 
I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?
They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?
If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.
 
Generally food service workers are taxed at 6-8% of their sales, whether they receive the tips or not. So if all of their customers are cheapskates or don't understand how tips work, they lose money off of their hourly income, since they are taxed on money they did not receive. In some states, because tips are assumed, the employer can pay less than the federal minimum wage since the imputed tips are factored into the wage rate.

Before someone says it, as of July there is a tax deduction on tips up to a certain threshold. That deduction ends in 2028.
 
Also don’t really feel like you should tip on picking up a pizza

Delivery, sure

Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place

But if you’re primary business model is selling takeout food im not sure what the tip is for

You wouldn't tip Costco for 82 pizzas. Agreed.

What about Jets or Hungry Howies?
Probably not. Local place maybe but probably not.

Let’s flip it around to 82 happy meals. You tipping out McDonalds?

I think we agreed - I'm not tipping Costco for 82 pizzas. I'm not tipping McDonald's for 82 happy meals. Those are both multi billion dollar corporations.

Jets and Hungry Howies are not.

Your line seems to stop at pizza places smaller than those then?
Looks like both do $500M+ in annual sales. Is $1B the mark where I don’t tip?

Anyone have a matrix showing how much I should tip based on annual sales and number of pizzas ordered?

This is your battle, soldier. You tell us.
I believe you are the one who established we don’t need to tip employees of multi-billion dollar companies so I figured you knew where the line should be drawn

....in response to you saying you would tip a "mom and pop" place for carryout.

So Jets and Hungry Howies are out for you. Costco also out.

What about Kruse and Muer? This is your line.

“Carryout from a sit down restaurant, i usually will if it’s a mom and pop place”


I would assume that an order of 82 pizzas included a service charge already.
For what? They should give you a discount if anything
For making 82 pizzas.
Sorry didn’t realize these were free pizzas
It's pretty easy to tell who has worked in the service industry and who hasn't. Hint: the people who actually made the 82 pizzas are getting paid the same as if they made 1.
They also get paid if they make 0 pizzas don’t they?

What if I just pick up 1 pizza? Do I need to tip them? What about 5? What is the arbitrary number where I need to start kicking in extra money for ordering x amount of pizza?
Food service workers are paid assuming they will be tipped. The federal government taxes them assuming they have been tipped.

Yes, if you pick up 1 pizza you should tip on the 1 pizza. If you pick up 5, you should tip on 5. If you pick up 82, you should tip on 82. See how that works?

Again, I assume that there was a service charge added to an order of this size, which means no additional tip is necessary. Places tend to do that to avoid dealing with logic like yours.
Never seen a tip screen at McDonalds. How much do you normally tip on an egg McMuffin?
They aren't paid with the assumption of tips, nor does the government tax them as if they are tipped.

Isn’t it on the owner to make up the difference if the employee doesn’t make enough in tips to meet minimum wage?

Also I guess im expected to understand every company’s wage structure before i decide to tip or not?

Also I think you’re proving how stupid and out of control tipping culture is and how people are sick of subsidizing wages for restaurant owners

Why do I need to tip my waiter $2.50 to bring out a $10 burger and fries but I need to tip him $12.50 to bring me a $50 steak and baked potato. Is he working that much harder to carry out that plate because it costs more?
If you can't afford to tip the people that prepare and serve your food, you should stick to eating at home or going to McDonalds.
If you can’t afford to pay your employees a living wage maybe you shouldn’t be in business
 
Generally food service workers are taxed at 6-8% of their sales, whether they receive the tips or not. So if all of their customers are cheapskates or don't understand how tips work, they lose money off of their hourly income, since they are taxed on money they did not receive. In some states, because tips are assumed, the employer can pay less than the federal minimum wage since the imputed tips are factored into the wage rate.

Before someone says it, as of July there is a tax deduction on tips up to a certain threshold. That deduction ends in 2028.
I think we are talking 2 different things

When I worked at a pizza joint I got pay a normal hourly rate like everybody else. But when I was a waiter serving food that's when I had to work with you for tips

eta I would have tipped forthe 82 pizzas though
 
The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas
What's the difference in them getting 82 orders for pizza and filling 1 order for 82 pizzas? They are getting paid their hourly wage so I don't quite understand why it coming from one place means you have to pay them more? Tipping is nice, yes but one shouldn't feel obligated to do so.
 
Generally food service workers are taxed at 6-8% of their sales, whether they receive the tips or not. So if all of their customers are cheapskates or don't understand how tips work, they lose money off of their hourly income, since they are taxed on money they did not receive. In some states, because tips are assumed, the employer can pay less than the federal minimum wage since the imputed tips are factored into the wage rate.

Before someone says it, as of July there is a tax deduction on tips up to a certain threshold. That deduction ends in 2028.
And if you split the bill where one person pays cash and the other with a cc and the tip is put on the cc, guess what? 100% of the tip on the cc is declared and 8% on that cash sale also gets declared. Neat.
 
The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas
What's the difference in them getting 82 orders for pizza and filling 1 order for 82 pizzas? They are getting paid their hourly wage so I don't quite understand why it coming from one place means you have to pay them more? Tipping is nice, yes but one shouldn't feel obligated to do so.
You're not paying them more. If you order one pizza you tip on one pizza. If you order 82 pizzas you tip on 82 pizzas. It's not that difficult of a concept.
 
The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas
What's the difference in them getting 82 orders for pizza and filling 1 order for 82 pizzas? They are getting paid their hourly wage so I don't quite understand why it coming from one place means you have to pay them more? Tipping is nice, yes but one shouldn't feel obligated to do so.
You're not paying them more. If you order one pizza you tip on one pizza. If you order 82 pizzas you tip on 82 pizzas. It's not that difficult of a concept.
Again, why am I tipping on a pizza anyway. OP didn’t specify but let’s assume this is dominos and the workers are paid the state minimum wage

Why am I tipping the kid at dominos but not the kid at McDonalds?
 
The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas
What's the difference in them getting 82 orders for pizza and filling 1 order for 82 pizzas? They are getting paid their hourly wage so I don't quite understand why it coming from one place means you have to pay them more? Tipping is nice, yes but one shouldn't feel obligated to do so.
You're not paying them more. If you order one pizza you tip on one pizza. If you order 82 pizzas you tip on 82 pizzas. It's not that difficult of a concept.
Again, why am I tipping on a pizza anyway. OP didn’t specify but let’s assume this is dominos and the workers are paid the state minimum wage

Why am I tipping the kid at dominos but not the kid at McDonalds?
sounds like you're not tipping anyone, so why do you care?
 
The place just busted out 82 ****ing pizzas
What's the difference in them getting 82 orders for pizza and filling 1 order for 82 pizzas? They are getting paid their hourly wage so I don't quite understand why it coming from one place means you have to pay them more? Tipping is nice, yes but one shouldn't feel obligated to do so.
You're not paying them more. If you order one pizza you tip on one pizza. If you order 82 pizzas you tip on 82 pizzas. It's not that difficult of a concept.
Again, why am I tipping on a pizza anyway. OP didn’t specify but let’s assume this is dominos and the workers are paid the state minimum wage

Why am I tipping the kid at dominos but not the kid at McDonalds?
sounds like you're not tipping anyone, so why do you care?
Maybe read the tread again and get back to me on that
 

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