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the pear shaped man is out in green bay.childress next head coach?
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per jay glazer on fox radio
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press conference at 10:30 CST
Uncle Randy
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No way Mooch becomes head coach.My prediction: Bates gets the upgrade and Mooch signs on as OC.
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trader jake
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the bears must be given credit, but the playoffs were within reach for every team this year. the other three teams failed miserably with what they had in place to begin the seasonmike sheramn is a good man, but he just doesn't invoke enough emotion and accountability from his players
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no doubt gm ted thompson wants his own guy in place and this season was his out with sherman. i'd bet that brett favre is an after-thought for thompson in this process - that's why i do NOT believe mooch will be the next head coachedit - brad childress mentioned. he's the offensive coordinator in philly...lol, thanx
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saabcaptain
Footballguy
at least he won his last game... that might also help. i just wish brett could have one more season, a season everyone knows will be his last so that he can be celebrated on his way out instead of a slow fade where everyone wonders ... is he?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I wonder what he's going to write on his playcard today? Nice guy. Poor coach. Horrible GM. Wasted the twilight of Favre's career on guys like Cletidus Hunt, Robert Ferguson, and Joe Johnson.
zamboni
Footballguy
True, Favre probably deserves some sort of sendoff, but it doesn't seem that important to him to have that kind of fanfare.Besides, I have to imagine that team management would rather him step down now, given that they need to seriously retool the team. Only out of loyalty are they letting him do as he sees fit. Another year with Favre at the helm delays the rebuilding process.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
My guess is the Packers found out that Brett was leaving, so they figured it was ok to fire Sherman.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Uncle Randy
Footballguy
What people 'heard' from his statement earlier this season was that if Sherman goes, he goes. That is not what he said at all. He said he didn't want to learn a new system.That being said, I personally think Favre will be back for one more year. I just don't think he'd want to go out on such a sour note. It was hard to do much with the injuries that plagued the offense.Sure, sure - I've been a Favre fan from day one, so my opinion is a bit biased. But, I just don't think Favre wants to end his career with his worst season ever.
saabcaptain
Footballguy
Really? Anything is possible with Favre for sure but I'd be sort of surprised to hear he's already made a decision. Wouldn't be the first time for an athlete, but it would go pretty contrary to what he's been saying. It's all been read between the lines stuff of late but I got the feeling this would be something he'd take his time with in deciding.Interesting.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Childress is the offensive coordinator in Philly.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
And hopefully the next Viking coach.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Am I the only worried about Daunte having to learn the West Coast system???? And before you call me a racist, Hall of Famer Steve Young says it takes three years.And hopefully the next Viking coach.
football fan
Footballguy
Packer homer here, local media states that Farve had a meeting with his teammates after yesterday's game. At this time, he said he doesn't know if he will retire.
Wow. Four straight seasons of double digit wins. One awful season where you're decimated by injury and you're out.This sounds like more behind the scenes and the power struggle with Thompson. Bad move in my opinion.J
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BeTheMatch
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GMs like to have their own coaches. And Sherman was not Thompson's guy.
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Good firing. My question is who is going to be the token "minority" to be interviewed since Denny Green now has a job?Hopefully this does not sway Favre. I think it could sway him into retirement but hopefully not.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Art Shell has spoken of getting back into coaching. Maurice Carthon will probably attract legitimate interest from a few teams.
packersfan
Footballguy
That's why statistics can be EXTREMELY misleading in some cases Joe. While Sherman's record was good, the bottom line is he severly underachieved and wasted the final years of Favre's career. The Packers had one legitimate shot to reach the Super Bowl in 2003 and thanks to Sherman's inept coaching (as well as Donatell's) they were denied that opportunity.What's more, while Sherman proved to be an efficient regular-season head coach, he was an absolutely terrible head coach in the playoffs. Were it not for a sensational individual play by Al Harris against Seattle in 2003, it's extremely possible Sherman would never have won a single playoff game while with Green Bay. In addition, he suffered several humiliating home defeats in the playoffs to inferior teams (namely Atlanta and Minnesota). On top of that, he absolutely destroyed the once-feared homefield advantage the Packers had for nearly a decade. Now teams treat coming into Lambeau like a pre-season game; that's how much fear Sherman instilled in the place.
A large segment of the problems with Sherman stemmed from the fact he was an absolutely putrid GM. He assembled poor talent, drafted poorly, made poor decisions in free agency and failed to build on the talent base he inherited. That problem was rectified last season (at least one season too late unfortunately) when he was removed as the team's GM. But as a head coach he was OK but never could get the Packers to play to an elite level despite having several opportunities in what often was a wide-open conference and the divisional success overshadowed the greater problems he had such as an inability to get his team to win big games or win consistently at home.
The bottom line is Sherman deserved to be fired last season but the Packers couldn't justify such a decision after the team rebounded from a horrible start and won another division title. But the embarrassing debacle in the playoffs against Minnesota revealed the true mistake of keeping Sherman as head coach and it's no surprise this season's team completely fell apart and was a mistake-plagued unit that often played just good enough to lose. Just like their head coach.
Good riddance.
Uncle Randy
Footballguy
Sylvester Croom is an option. He's been with the Packers before and may get a serious look.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Don't these reasons add to his ability to coach. Good regular seasons and then poor playoff showings sometimes mean your team overachieved and that has to be attributed to good coaching. I agree his GM abilities were not good, but he wasn't a terrible coach. They consistently played better than the talent level they had.
packersfan
Footballguy
Nope. This was a team that had good talent prior to this season. Remember they were a legitimate Super Bowl contender just two seasons before Sherman arrived, so he inherited a solid talent base. The problem was Sherman as a GM never added to it so the talent base consistently eroded. But last season, for example, the Packers' offense was one of the most dangerous in the NFL behind arguably only the Colts. And yet they stubbed their toe in humiliating fashion at home (again) in the playoffs to an inferior team (again). Sherman took advantage of what was a terrible division for years (only the Vikings were anywhere close to Green Bay's level prior to this season) to mask his weaknesses as a head coach. There comes a time when championship teams need someone who is going to push them to the next level. Sherman had proven without a shadow of a doubt he was incapble of doing that.
Willy
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4th and 26 was all Sherman. Donatell didn't call prevent on that play, Sherman overrode his call and made it prevent on that play. Then when the play failed and they lost the game, he let Donatell take the blame and ended up firing the guy. The players and other coaches knew what happened. I think he really started to lose the team with that move. IMO He deserved to go.
football fan
Footballguy
In, Ted Thompson's news conference he stated that he hopes some of the asssitant coaches be brought back by the new Head Coach. Most people in Green Bay love their Defensive Coordinator, Jim Bates.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
If Sherman is such a good coach... he will get hired by another team. We will wait and see because that is a true barometer of how good he is. Donatell got hired right away and has improved Atlanta plenty. We will see about Sherman. I am willing to bet he will not get a head coaching job. Maybe not even a look at Offensive Coordinator either.
Hi pf,Thanks for the feedback. I just have to say I disagree. In fact, this sentence above is the most telling.
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BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Atlanta's defense is horrible!!
packersfan
Footballguy
Joe, ask yourself why the Bucs fired Tony Dungy a few seasons ago. And I don't think Sherman's anywhere near the coach Dungy is. But there comes a time when you need to have a head coach who you believe can push your team to the next level. The Bucs believed Dungy couldn't do that and they went out and found a head coach who proved immediately that he could. If you spent time watching the Packers consistently under Sheman you will see without question that while he isn't a terrible head coach, he isn't the type of leader who is going to get you where you want to go and therefore you need to find someone you believe can do just that.And I haven't even begun to address Sherman's often-debatable (and that's being kind) game-calling or in-game adjustments which were often among the worst in the NFL.
packersfan
Footballguy
Shhhh, you're not supposed to let the facts get in the way of the myth that Donatell somehow got a raw deal in Green Bay.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How good of a coach punts the ball from the 41 yard line on 4th & inches with and 1800 yard rusher who is gouging the oppenent for over 5 yards a clip, and an offensive line that was considered the best in the league? I'll tell you what kind. The same kind the gets down to the goalline in a playoff game and goes for it on 4th and 1 with the same team instead of kicking the easy 3. And then instead of just running right at the defensive line that has been owned all game, decides to run a trap play and allows the defense to penetrate untouched.
Also, the same type of coach who, in this same game, calls off a blitz on a 4th and 26 play and doesn't use a timeout when the entire game is on the line to make sure that his team is all on the same page. This after the DC called a blitz. Then of course he blames the DC on the play after the game and quickly supplants him with a yes-man type in Bob Slowik.
:X :( 
packersfan
Footballguy
Whoever the next head coach is he sure as hell better be someone who can work effectively with Bates. Hiring Bates was the only good thing to come out of this wretched season.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
dont really follow them but the first year with Donatell they were pretty good. My opinion about Favre is that he does not make a decision until after the draft. Why? By then a new coach will be in place. Discussions with Favre will have taken place and all will be able to see what talent is coming in from the draft. Probably before June 1st we will know if this was his last year or not because by then a veteran free agent QB could be signed if Favre hangs them up. Hopefully not, but I say somewhere between May 1st and June 1st we will know Favre's decision.
Sabertooth
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Agreed. I think Bates deserves a shot at the job. The only problem with that then is that the Packes lose the best coordinator they've had since Fritz Shurmur.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Ted Thompson already said they told Favre he has a month or so to decide - that's it.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Hey, I know the facts but placing Donatell as the culprit for, gulp, 4th & 26 is short sighted. It was first Sherman's fault for the lousy play calling. yada yada yada.. you are familiar with the story. Donatell, while not the best in the world way much better then the guy they had last year... I cant even remember his name. I think Green Bay would have been much better with Rosseley out of there instead after that year.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
When did he say this? I had not heard this at all.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
They showed that clip on ESPN at some point yesterday. Can't remember when. Mortensen said it too.
football fan
Footballguy
Thompson did say during the news conference that there is no time frame on hiring a new head coach. He said that Green Bay will interview many different candidates.
