Missing Cleveland teens found Alive 10 years after being abducted! (1 Viewer)

[Pick]

Trapped in a house for 10 years and you can't get out?

Break down a door? Break a window? Start a fire?

Guys holding them were there 24/7 for 10 staright years?

Something doesn't add up here.

Rescued kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart said Wednesday she understands why some human trafficking victims don't run.

Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0504/Elizabeth-Smart-speaks-on-human-trafficking

I read that. Very sad that she felt that way. I would be completely mortified and heartbroken if I were her parents and she told me that. How do you live with knowing that was your message and this is how it affected your daughter?

According to that quote it was the teacher that said that not the parents.

In the article I read she talked about how she was raised in a very strict religious that supported those comments.

A different article?

 

[glumpy]

All sorts of background for Amanda and Gina but nothing from anyone on Michelle Knight? Any family around?

She was there the longest I think--at least the news say all three are ok according to hospital reports.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Someone needs to start Ramsey 'n' Ruslan, a new talk show. I'd watch it.

 

[NCCommish]

Trapped in a house for 10 years and you can't get out?

Break down a door? Break a window? Start a fire?

Guys holding them were there 24/7 for 10 staright years?

Something doesn't add up here.

Rescued kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart said Wednesday she understands why some human trafficking victims don't run.

Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0504/Elizabeth-Smart-speaks-on-human-trafficking

I read that. Very sad that she felt that way. I would be completely mortified and heartbroken if I were her parents and she told me that. How do you live with knowing that was your message and this is how it affected your daughter?

According to that quote it was the teacher that said that not the parents.

In the article I read she talked about how she was raised in a very strict religious that supported those comments.

A different article?

Yeah this story has been floating around a couple of days. Seems like this is basically a synopsis of that one. Sorry I don't have a link handy I'll see if I can run it down.

 

[Kal El]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Someone needs to start Ramsey 'n' Ruslan, a new talk show. I'd watch it.

Just throw them random topics to speak on:

Ramsey, Ruslan tell us about toothpicks and what you thought of the movie, Bridges of Madison County.

Ramsey: "Bridges of what the ####?"

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

Thankfully we had a funny video to lighten the mood of this but the story of these women is so tragic. I agree with Tripper that we ought to let them be but I'd be lying if I said I don't want to know he details...I can only imagine what the inside of this house looked like. Was it like Silence of the Lambs? Gonna be horrifying to hear the details whenever they roll out.

 

[Pick]

Trapped in a house for 10 years and you can't get out?

Break down a door? Break a window? Start a fire?

Guys holding them were there 24/7 for 10 staright years?

Something doesn't add up here.

Rescued kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart said Wednesday she understands why some human trafficking victims don't run.

Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0504/Elizabeth-Smart-speaks-on-human-trafficking

I read that. Very sad that she felt that way. I would be completely mortified and heartbroken if I were her parents and she told me that. How do you live with knowing that was your message and this is how it affected your daughter?

According to that quote it was the teacher that said that not the parents.

In the article I read she talked about how she was raised in a very strict religious that supported those comments.

A different article?

Yeah this story has been floating around a couple of days. Seems like this is basically a synopsis of that one. Sorry I don't have a link handy I'll see if I can run it down.

Don't need a link. Just reading different stories is all I wasn't sure. The article linked was about a teacher. But if parents are supporting that yikes.

 

[butcher boy]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

I agree with this.

 

[Uwe Blab]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

 

[tri-man 47]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

My preference is for life in prison. Like with Boston's white cap, stick them in a 10' x 10' cell and let them rot away ...none of the long delays and multiple appeals as with the death sentence. Maybe the victims here want them dead, but maybe they'd feel good knowing payback's a b####.

 

[cstu]

Trapped in a house for 10 years and you can't get out?

Break down a door? Break a window? Start a fire?

Guys holding them were there 24/7 for 10 staright years?

Something doesn't add up here.

Rescued kidnapping victim Elizabeth Smart said Wednesday she understands why some human trafficking victims don't run.

Smart said she "felt so dirty and so filthy" after she was raped by her captor, and she understands why someone wouldn't run "because of that alone."

Smart spoke at a Johns Hopkins human trafficking forum, saying she was raised in a religious household and recalled a school teacher who spoke once about abstinence and compared sex to chewing gum.

"I thought, 'Oh, my gosh, I'm that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.' And that's how easy it is to feel like you know longer have worth, you know longer have value," Smart said. "Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0504/Elizabeth-Smart-speaks-on-human-trafficking

I wonder how she feels about refried beans?

 

[NCCommish]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

I'm sorry but you have to put some of the blame on those that believe a cold read con like Browne. She is scum but in the long run the person who believes is at fault for her having a platform to start with. She wouldn't be out there if people didn't buy in. I would also place some blame on Montel for having her on.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Trapped in a house for 10 years and you can't get out?

Break down a door? Break a window? Start a fire?

Guys holding them were there 24/7 for 10 staright years?

Something doesn't add up here.

Pretty sure this is one situation where armchair quarterbacking is not only moronic but insulting.

 

[pantagrapher]

Reading that there were multiple pregnancies, regular beatings, and miscarriages. Also, there's "disturbed dirt" in the backyard. This is pretty horrible.

 

[lod01]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

At least the owner of the house will get life without parole. The other 2 maybe not but should get LWOP. May as well just execute them upon guilty verdict. It's a $ saver and well deserved.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

The woman is a ghoul that preys on the misfortune of others.

Unfortunately as long as there are people that continue to believe in illogical Browne and others like her will keep going.

 

[Kal El]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

My preference is for life in prison. Like with Boston's white cap, stick them in a 10' x 10' cell and let them rot away ...none of the long delays and multiple appeals as with the death sentence. Maybe the victims here want them dead, but maybe they'd feel good knowing payback's a b####.

I say put them at the business end of a firing squad, and bill their family for the bullets.

 

[butcher boy]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

I'm sorry but you have to put some of the blame on those that believe a cold read con like Browne. She is scum but in the long run the person who believes is at fault for her having a platform to start with. She wouldn't be out there if people didn't buy in. I would also place some blame on Montel for having her on.

Of course, but she's the one preying on people who are experiencing an emotional crisis. When you're in that state, sometimes you'll look for anyone who has any kind of answer.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So who takes custody of him? Will she go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

 

[Henry Ford]

So who takes custody of him? Will she go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

If you can keep this up for a couple more weeks, it's going to start being unbelievably funny.

 

[NCCommish]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

I'm sorry but you have to put some of the blame on those that believe a cold read con like Browne. She is scum but in the long run the person who believes is at fault for her having a platform to start with. She wouldn't be out there if people didn't buy in. I would also place some blame on Montel for having her on.

Of course, but she's the one preying on people who are experiencing an emotional crisis. When you're in that state, sometimes you'll look for anyone who has any kind of answer.

Yeah I know and of course that's part of what makes me wish there was a hell for Browne to languish in.

 

[cstu]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

My preference is for life in prison. Like with Boston's white cap, stick them in a 10' x 10' cell and let them rot away ...none of the long delays and multiple appeals as with the death sentence. Maybe the victims here want them dead, but maybe they'd feel good knowing payback's a b####.

I say put them at the business end of a firing squad, and bill their family for the bullets.

I'd make them go see Justin Bieber.

 

[NCCommish]

So who takes custody of him? Will she go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

If you can keep this up for a couple more weeks, it's going to start being unbelievably funny.

Only a couple?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Reading that there were multiple pregnancies, regular beatings, and miscarriages. Also, there's "disturbed dirt" in the backyard. This is pretty horrible.

Try definition of "house of horrors."

I don't understand how a human can do this to another human.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

Wow. Who is Sylvia Browne? Can we unload on her on Twitter maybe?

 

[Henry Ford]

So who takes custody of him? Will she go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does he go to Guantanamo?

If you can keep this up for a couple more weeks, it's going to start being unbelievably funny.

Only a couple?

Yes.

 

[cstu]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

Wow. Who is Sylvia Browne? Can we unload on her on Twitter maybe?

Seems like people are going off on her:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151629389086223&id=196312131222

https://twitter.com/Sylvia_Browne

Why is it a person like this never gets locked up by a sadistic freak?

 

[Rayderr]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

Wow. Who is Sylvia Browne? Can we unload on her on Twitter maybe?

Seems like people are going off on her:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151629389086223&id=196312131222

https://twitter.com/Sylvia_Browne

Why is it a person like this never gets locked up by a sadistic freak?

Sylvia Browne ‏@Sylvia_Browne 11h

Oops.

 

[butcher boy]

Sylvia Browne went on Montel Williams and told one of the mothers of these 2 girls that she had been killed. Up until that point, the mother was holding out hope that her daughter was still alive. Recently, the mother passed away of heart failure.

Sylvia Browne is a horrible woman and should be stopped.

Wow. Who is Sylvia Browne? Can we unload on her on Twitter maybe?

A famous psychic, AKA con artist.

Website below has a scorecard for how despicable a person she is.

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/scorecard_missingmurdered.shtml

 

[Kal El]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

My preference is for life in prison. Like with Boston's white cap, stick them in a 10' x 10' cell and let them rot away ...none of the long delays and multiple appeals as with the death sentence. Maybe the victims here want them dead, but maybe they'd feel good knowing payback's a b####.

I say put them at the business end of a firing squad, and bill their family for the bullets.

I'd make them go see Justin Bieber.

Cruel and unusual punishment, but maybe he can slap them to death with his girly hands.

 

[pantagrapher]

For 19 months, Louwana Miller refused to give up hope that her missing daughter might still be alive.

Not anymore.

Desperate for any clue as to Amanda Berry’s whereabouts, and tired of unanswered questions from authorities, Miller turned to a psychic on Montel Williams’ nationally syndicated television show.

The psychic said what the FBI, police and Miller hadn’t.

“She’s not alive, honey,” Sylvia Browne told her matter-of-factly. “Your daughter’s not the kind who wouldn’t call.”

With those blunt words, Browne persuaded Miller to accept a grim probability that has become more likely with each passing day.

Miller went back to the West Side home where she had been keeping Amanda’s things in careful order and cleaned up. She gave away her daughter’s computer and took down her pictures. “I’m not even buying my baby a Christmas present this year,” she said.

Miller said she returned devastated from the show, taped this month in New York.

“I lost it,” she said.

Miller said she believes “98 percent” in Browne.

“Please don’t misunderstand me. I still don’t want to believe it. I want to have hope but, after a year and a half, what else is there?” Miller said. “It seems like the God-honest truth. My daughter would always call home.”

The FBI and police put less faith in Browne’s powers, saying they still will consider Berry alive and missing until her body or evidence is found to prove otherwise, officials said.

Amanda disappeared April 21, 2003, a day before her 17th birthday.

She left work at Burger King at West 110th Street and Lorain Avenue, about a 10-minute walk from home. The 5-foot-4, 110-pound, brown-eyed teen phoned her sister en route to say she had a ride home.

At Miller’s request, FBI agents investigating Amanda’s disappearance met with Miller after the show to discuss Browne’s other psychic views on the case, special agent Kelly Liberti said.

Browne said she envisioned Amanda’s jacket in a Dumpster with “DNA on it.”

Liberti and Cleveland police spokesman Lt. Wayne Drummond said their law-enforcement agencies listen to all information from all sources, but do not employ or seek the assistance of psychics.

This story was originally published in The Plain Dealer on Nov. 18, 2004. It was written by Stephen Hudak.

 

[butcher boy]

Here's a famous Sylvia Browne "Oops"

It's a guy who died in a car accient on 9/11.

She asked me to verify that he had died on September 11th and I said yes. Then she asked if he "was a civilian"? I didn't get what she was asking because I have only heard that term used in the mlitary sense. I told her that and she said, "No honey. Was he a fire fighter or police officer or..." I cut her off and said he was a fire fighter and she said, "I was going to say that's what I'm getting because I see the boots and yellow coat. That's good. That's what I'm being shown." She started talking and talking without letting me answer her questions or add information to her 'reading'. Then she said the thing that sunk my heart. "Dear, he knew when he went in that he wasn't coming out. That was his destiny and he knew that." She told me he had helped "people get down the stairs." and had died peacefully because he had fulfilled his destiny and that's what we're all here to do. I didn't know what to say. What do you say when you realize that this medium is making it up? I told her that he wasn't at the WTC or any other target on 9/11. She said, "I know he was in the tallest building." What?! I told her she wasn't understanding me because he was no where near the east coast on September 11. She got quiet and said, "But you told me he was a fire fighter didn't you...and he died on 9/11. " I confimed that that was the case but that he'd died in a car accident on his way to a fire in [western state] on 9/11.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sylvia Browne has been doing this crap for years but people just don't seem care.

Maybe if this story spreads far enough it might do some damage.

 

[Mad Cow]

I can only hope and pray for the girls' recovery, and that every day for the rest of their lives, these three suffer in ways they cannot even imagine. And then on to the real stuff.

 

[mad sweeney]

Put away the torches & pitchforks - not blaming the victims here at all.

Just trying to understand how 3 grown adults can't get out of a house? Looking at the pictures of the house the neighbors are right on top of each other too.

You never heard of the Helsinki, Sweden Syndrome?

Yippeekayay

 

[Crazy Canuck]

When they checked the house, did they find an unlimited library and full kitchen stocked with every ingredient known to man?

No? What about a microwave oven then?

 

[UOFI_316]

Sylvia Browne has been doing this crap for years but people just don't seem care.

Maybe if this story spreads far enough it might do some damage.

So who takes custody of her? Will she go through the court system? Will there be a trial? Or does she go to Guantanamo?

 

[Zow]

Glad to see these women are relatively okay, aside from the torment they obviously went through for the past decade. I, for one, would fully be in support of the death penalty for their kidnappers.

Agreed, it's time to expand the death penalty for this kind of crap. In many ways torturing these people for 10 years may have been worse than just a quick kill. I'm sure the survivors might not agree with that at the moment as they are happy to be alive but I would think that all of them wished for death at certain points along the last 10 years. Incredible that Berry never gave up hope and fought to get out of there.

Thankfully we had a funny video to lighten the mood of this but the story of these women is so tragic. I agree with Tripper that we ought to let them be but I'd be lying if I said I don't want to know he details...I can only imagine what the inside of this house looked like. Was it like Silence of the Lambs? Gonna be horrifying to hear the details whenever they roll out.

Not going to happen.

 

[Zow]

According to the CNN article, the police were called by a neighbor who heard yelling in the house. They showed up and left because no one answered the door.

Is that SOP these days? "Well, we're here for a domestic disturbance call, but no one's answering the door. That's that!"

Unless the police can hear something, there's no probable cause for them to enter.

Eh, it's not really this cut and dried. I'm frankly pretty shocked by the police behavior here, but as others mentioned maybe it really is par for the course in a crappy urban area.

 

[culdeus]

LWOP is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo.

This Tsnarev kid is going to go to bombers rows for maybe 60 years. That is pure hell. These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

 

[Slapdash]

Good God, "experts" on CNN criticizing Cleveland police for not doing a "Boston Style" sweep of all Cleveland homes to look for these girls 10 years ago. These braindead panel hosts don't even question the reality of doing stuff like that.

If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about?

 

[johnnycakes]

LWOP is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo.

This Tsnarev kid is going to go to bombers rows for maybe 60 years. That is pure hell. These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

And Bernie Madoff gets 150 years and he didn't physically touch a single person. Seems out of proportion to me. If Madoff can get 150 years, so should these brothers AND the Tsnarev kid.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Sylvia Browne has been doing this crap for years but people just don't seem care.

It's still real to me, dammit!!

 

[Zow]

LWOP is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo.

This Tsnarev kid is going to go to bombers rows for maybe 60 years. That is pure hell. These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

And Bernie Madoff gets 150 years and he didn't physically touch a single person. Seems out of proportion to me. If Madoff can get 150 years, so should these brothers AND the Tsnarev kid.

I can tell you in AZ the defendants in this case would very likely be looking at natural life. I think culdeus is more so speculating than anything.

Madoff got 50 years because of multiple counts on multiple offense dates. I don't see why the same scenario wouldn't apply in this case.

 

[Ignoramus]

LWOP is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo. This Tsnarev kid is going to go to bombers rows for maybe 60 years. That is pure hell. These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

And Bernie Madoff gets 150 years and he didn't physically touch a single person. Seems out of proportion to me. If Madoff can get 150 years, so should these brothers AND the Tsnarev kid.

They all should spend the rest of their lives in prison. They all ruined lives, Madoff included.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

It is unfathomable to me that these guys would ever be allowed to walk around as free men again.

 

[pantagrapher]

LWOP is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo.

This Tsnarev kid is going to go to bombers rows for maybe 60 years. That is pure hell. These guys are looking at 30 years more tops.

And Bernie Madoff gets 150 years and he didn't physically touch a single person. Seems out of proportion to me. If Madoff can get 150 years, so should these brothers AND the Tsnarev kid.

I think he meant these guys will be dead in 30 years. I'm sure the main guy especially will end up with 10-consecutive life sentences or something like that. These guys will never see freedom again after they're incarcerated.

 

[Tom Servo]

SHOOTING THEM is better for all parties. No costly, lengthy appeals, a chance of a very gruesome demise behind bars, or lock them up in solitary confinement which may be worse than death imo.