Missing Malaysian jet news (3 Viewers)

[culdeus]

So the ping was found right near where the last transmission was. So that at least makes it seem somewhat plausible to me.

 

[Smack Tripper]

So the ping was found right near where the last transmission was. So that at least makes it seem somewhat plausible to me.

Why did they wait a month to look there?

 

[GoBirds]

So the ping was found right near where the last transmission was. So that at least makes it seem somewhat plausible to me.

Why did they wait a month to look there?

Haha I know right.

Nothing seems right about this investigation.

 

[Das Boot]

Well, they found a pulse signal

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/05/china-ship-detects-pulse-signal-in-search-for-missing-malysia-airlines/

Not so sure about this part

The report says a black box detector deployed by the vessel, Haixun 01, picked up a signal at 37.5Hz per second

uhh, hertz is "per second"

edit to add: I see now, the frequency is 37.5 kHz and it emits a signal once per second

This is amazing and very encouraging news, I mean what else could that signal possibly be but the black box?

"The report said it was not established whether that the signal was related to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370."

Ok, so this is the only plausible explanation I've seen for what else this detected ping could have been:

Article

There are many clicks, buzzes and other sounds in the ocean from animals, but the 37.5 kilohertz pulse was selected for underwater locator beacons on black boxes because there is nothing else in the sea that would naturally make that sound, said William Waldock, an expert on search and rescue who teaches accident investigation at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona.

"They picked that (frequency) so there wouldn't be false alarms from other things in the ocean," he said.

Honeywell Aerospace, which made the boxes in the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, said the Underwater Acoustic Beacons on both the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder operate at a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz plus or minus 1 kilohertz.

Waldock cautioned that "it's possible it could be an aberrant signal" from a nuclear submarine if there was one in the vicinity.

If the sounds can be verified, it would reduce the search area to about 10 square kilometers (4 square miles), Waldock said. Unmanned robot subs with sidescan sonar would then be sent into the water to try to locate the wreckage, he said.

John Goglia, a former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board member, called the report "exciting," but cautioned that "there is an awful lot of noise in the ocean."

"One ship, one ping doesn't make a success story," he said. "It will have to be explored. I guarantee you there are other resources being moved into the area to see if it can be verified."

 

[KCitons]

IF reports are true:

- They were able to pick up the sound for approx 90 seconds.

- They are also "reporting" that not only was the sound the correct frequency, but also at the correct 1 second intervals.

- This Chinese ship was searching in an area that was not part of the coordinated effort and it's been reported the ship tried to go back over the same area and was unable to locate the ping a second time.

- What are the odds that a ship was searching in the wrong place and happened to hear the ping for last 90 seconds of its battery life?

- This makes me think the sound was man made, possibly the submarine theory.

 

[Das Boot]

IF reports are true:

- They were able to pick up the sound for approx 90 seconds.

- They are also "reporting" that not only was the sound the correct frequency, but also at the correct 1 second intervals.

- This Chinese ship was searching in an area that was not part of the coordinated effort and it's been reported the ship tried to go back over the same area and was unable to locate the ping a second time.

- What are the odds that a ship was searching in the wrong place and happened to hear the ping for last 90 seconds of its battery life?

- This makes me think the sound was man made, possibly the submarine theory.

There may be no one willing to 'fess up to having a nuclear sub there, so lots of upcoming effort may be expended in what is actually a worthless location.

Kind of par for the course in this whole saga actually.

I'm still unrealistically optimistic about this ping detection though.

 

[KCitons]

IF reports are true:

- They were able to pick up the sound for approx 90 seconds.

- They are also "reporting" that not only was the sound the correct frequency, but also at the correct 1 second intervals.

- This Chinese ship was searching in an area that was not part of the coordinated effort and it's been reported the ship tried to go back over the same area and was unable to locate the ping a second time.

- What are the odds that a ship was searching in the wrong place and happened to hear the ping for last 90 seconds of its battery life?

- This makes me think the sound was man made, possibly the submarine theory.

There may be no one willing to 'fess up to having a nuclear sub there, so lots of upcoming effort may be expended in what is actually a worthless location.

Kind of par for the course in this whole saga actually.

I'm still unrealistically optimistic about this ping detection though.

Oh yeah, I forgot to throw in the fact that not only were the Chinese searching an area on their own, but it's being reported that the Chinese gov't was getting the information about this ping sent to them, instead of going straight to the Australians or Malaysians. I could understand the latter, but delaying important information from the other countries that are helping find your lost citizens, is a slap in the face.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

"Unrealistically optimistic" pretty much sums up the entire search effort to this point.

 

[El Floppo]

"Unrealistically optimistic" pretty much sums up the entire search effort to this point.

I'd say "optimistically unrealistic".

 

[fatness]

Australian co-ordinators in the search for the missing Malaysian plane say a Chinese ship has detected a pulse signal for a second time, within hours of it being heard earlier on Saturday.

Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston called the discovery in the southern Indian Ocean an "important and encouraging lead". He warned that the data were still unverified. British naval ship HMS Echo is sailing to the area to investigate further. It is expected to arrive in the early hours of Monday.

After confirming details of the first pulse detected on Saturday which had "characteristics consistent with" an aircraft's flight recorder, Air Chief Marshal Houston told a news briefing at Pearce Air Base near Perth of a second signal.

"[saturday] afternoon Perth time, there was another acoustic detection less than 2 km (1.2 miles) from the original." The second signal lasted about 90 seconds, he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26908884

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Odds that it's anything other than the black box are very low. Will be interesting to see what they're able to reconstruct.

 

[fatness]

Odds that it's anything other than the black box are very low. Will be interesting to see what they're able to reconstruct.

"Pinging clams discovered!"

 

[Sinn Fein]

So the chinese shot down the plane, and have carefully placed it in its new location to throw off suspicion?

 

[jon_mx]

BREAKING NEWS: I am going on all-in on Pilot Suicide/Hijacking. I have officially ruled out an accident.

 

[fatness]

So the chinese shot down the plane, and have carefully placed it in its new location to throw off suspicion?

See, the pilot wanted to commit suicide so he got the Chinese to shoot down the plane because Benghazi.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Yeah if they find the black boxes before any wreckage, I would call that a small miracle. Or maybe the Chinese knew where it was all along.

Why ?I had a feeling that someone would find the ping before the battery run out.

 

[JetMaxx]

Odds that it's anything other than the black box are very low. Will be interesting to see what they're able to makeup this time

FYP.In before the government statement: "We heard pinging but couldn't detect it again. Batteries must have exhausted. Although we've found no wreckage and the pinging just happened to be detected at the end of the batteries' 30 day run time, this is merely just the latest in a remarkable number of coincidences that have perplexed us. However, the brief pinging detected by the Chinese ships ensures us beyond a shadow of a doubt that the plane was lost at the most remote place on earth."

 

[fatness]

In your opinion who is covering up what, JetMaxx?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

BREAKING NEWS: I am going on all-in on Pilot Suicide/Hijacking. I have officially ruled out an accident.

Based on this?

Authorities say Flight 370 ended up flying south over the Indian Ocean after it dropped off military radar off the west coast of peninsular Malaysia on March 8. The conclusion is based on an expert analysis of satellite, radar and other available data.

More detail has been added to the flight path calculated by investigators, a senior Malaysian government source told CNN on Sunday.

After reviewing radar track data from neighboring countries, officials have concluded that the passenger jet curved north of Indonesia before turning south toward the southern Indian Ocean. Its path took it around Indonesian airspace.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

CNN Breaking News may well provide proof that most people use only a small portion of their brains.

 

[jon_mx]

BREAKING NEWS: I am going on all-in on Pilot Suicide/Hijacking. I have officially ruled out an accident.

Based on this?

Authorities say Flight 370 ended up flying south over the Indian Ocean after it dropped off military radar off the west coast of peninsular Malaysia on March 8. The conclusion is based on an expert analysis of satellite, radar and other available data.

More detail has been added to the flight path calculated by investigators, a senior Malaysian government source told CNN on Sunday.

After reviewing radar track data from neighboring countries, officials have concluded that the passenger jet curved north of Indonesia before turning south toward the southern Indian Ocean. Its path took it around Indonesian airspace.

It is a slow news day.

 

[KCitons]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree?

We are now left with hijacking, or pilot suicide. If you go with hijacking, you would have to believe that someone incapacitated the pilots and took control of the plane. If it was a a hijacker pointing a gun at the pilots and telling them to fly, one of the pilots would have been able to communicate that they were hijacked. The only thing that may make sense, is that the hijacker seemed to be on a course for Australia. Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. There are too many video cameras for people to hide. (even if they are traveling with stolen passports)

One thing a talking head mentioned about pilot suicide, is that the pilot could have requested to captain a flight to Australia (Malaysian Air has multiple flights each day) At that time, he could have ditched the plane in the Indian Ocean, while not having to turn off transponders or fly out of radar range of Indonesia.

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.)

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree?

We are now left with hijacking, or pilot suicide. If you go with hijacking, you would have to believe that someone incapacitated the pilots and took control of the plane. If it was a a hijacker pointing a gun at the pilots and telling them to fly, one of the pilots would have been able to communicate that they were hijacked. The only thing that may make sense, is that the hijacker seemed to be on a course for Australia. Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. There are too many video cameras for people to hide. (even if they are traveling with stolen passports)

One thing a talking head mentioned about pilot suicide, is that the pilot could have requested to captain a flight to Australia (Malaysian Air has multiple flights each day) At that time, he could have ditched the plane in the Indian Ocean, while not having to turn off transponders or fly out of radar range of Indonesia.

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.)

I've been saying this.

And really I think the original turn when the plane was leaving Malaysian air space was what told us it wasn't mechanical failure, because that would be a hell of a coincidence. On the other hand it was the perfect timing for human intervention.

 

[KCitons]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree?

We are now left with hijacking, or pilot suicide. If you go with hijacking, you would have to believe that someone incapacitated the pilots and took control of the plane. If it was a a hijacker pointing a gun at the pilots and telling them to fly, one of the pilots would have been able to communicate that they were hijacked. The only thing that may make sense, is that the hijacker seemed to be on a course for Australia. Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. There are too many video cameras for people to hide. (even if they are traveling with stolen passports)

One thing a talking head mentioned about pilot suicide, is that the pilot could have requested to captain a flight to Australia (Malaysian Air has multiple flights each day) At that time, he could have ditched the plane in the Indian Ocean, while not having to turn off transponders or fly out of radar range of Indonesia.

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.)

I've been saying this.

And really I think the original turn when the plane was leaving Malaysian air space was what told us it wasn't mechanical failure, because that would be a hell of a coincidence. On the other hand it was the perfect timing for human intervention.

If we are going to have a pissing match, I've been saying it's pilot suicide since the beginning.

The original turn, taken by itself, could have been a sign of mechanical failure. Even the drop in altitude would be a normal response to a mechanical failure, fire, or something else. Had this plane crashed right after it turned around, (in an attempt to land) this would have been reported as a textbook procedure by the pilots.

It's only after you take into account maneuvers after the original turn, and the current search zone, that mechanical failure become much less likely.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree? Disagree, Malaysia has screwed this up from the beggining so there is no way of knowing if this info is reliable.

Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. The pilots had to know it wouldn't make Australia and all the "hard targets" are on the east coast of Australia.

If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. How many of the 9/11 hijackers had a connection to terrorism? It is more than possible that someone on that flight was not on anyone's radar

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.) Seems like some political message would have been sent out if this was the case, we heard nothing.

I'll go with one of my earlier theories that the plane was hijacked and was told to fly to a specific location. Pilots did what they were told and flew around radar, then decided they would fly beyond the point of return. Maybe the passengers overwhelmed the hijackers at some point and autopilot took over, and it eventually ran out of fuel. You have to think that at some point the passengers would have tried to take control of the aircraft if it was being hijacked.

Pilot suicide doesn't seem reasonable, they would have just flown it into the Bay of Thailand or something. Why fly all the way out to where they did? Seems like autopilot is still involved here, plane was flying too long and landed in the remotest of areas.

 

[KCitons]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree? Disagree, Malaysia has screwed this up from the beggining so there is no way of knowing if this info is reliable.

Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. The pilots had to know it wouldn't make Australia and all the "hard targets" are on the east coast of Australia.

If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. How many of the 9/11 hijackers had a connection to terrorism? It is more than possible that someone on that flight was not on anyone's radar

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.) Seems like some political message would have been sent out if this was the case, we heard nothing.

I'll go with one of my earlier theories that the plane was hijacked and was told to fly to a specific location. Pilots did what they were told and flew around radar, then decided they would fly beyond the point of return. Maybe the passengers overwhelmed the hijackers at some point and autopilot took over, and it eventually ran out of fuel. You have to think that at some point the passengers would have tried to take control of the aircraft if it was being hijacked.

Pilot suicide doesn't seem reasonable, they would have just flown it into the Bay of Thailand or something. Why fly all the way out to where they did? Seems like autopilot is still involved here, plane was flying too long and landed in the remotest of areas.

Based on your theory, when did the passengers attempt to take back the plane (or when did the plane start flying on it's own?)

If it was hijacked, where were the hijackers going that they ended up in the Southern Indian Ocean? Because the flight path looks deliberate?

If they were searching in the Bay of Thailand, South China Sea, or the Strait, hijacking (and fight with passengers) would make more sense.

But, I agree. We don't really have any facts to go on and the Malaysians can't be trusted.

 

[CurlyNight]

It can't be mechanical failure, assuming whoever is saying the plane skirted Indonesia is correct. The countries up north are much closer to try and land a plane in trouble. It seems the atc at the helm that night were asleep at the controls since the plane flew back over Malaysia and no one saw it.

 

[Das Boot]

Just heard on the nightly news that the Chinese listening device that heard the pings was low budget and hand-towed - WTF?

But... an Australian ship, 350 miles away (as I recall), with much more sophisticated equipment has just detected a ping.

The new ping is much too far away to be related to the Chinese detected ping, and given the advanced equipment, of more interest.

Unbelievable... this would be a bad movie if it was fictional.

 

[KCitons]

Just heard on the nightly news that the Chinese listening device that heard the pings was low budget and hand-towed - WTF?

But... an Australian ship, 350 miles away (as I recall), with much more sophisticated equipment has just detected a ping.

The new ping is much too far away to be related to the Chinese detected ping, and given the advanced equipment, of more interest.

Unbelievable... this would be a bad movie if it was fictional.

It's more fictional than true.

CNN had the manufacturer of those hand held, low budget listening devices on earlier. Unless the plane (or black box) is sitting on a ledge, there is no way they heard the ping with that device. The Chinese think that rest of the word is stupid enough to believe that video of Gilligan and Skipper in a life raft with metal detector.

 

[Ursa M]

If it's pilot suicide, why fly until the fuel runs out? What's the point?

 

[Mario Kart]

If it's pilot suicide, why fly until the fuel runs out? What's the point?

The "Pilot Suiciders" believe the pilot zig and zagged around all of the known radar so skillfully that after all that zig zagging, the pilot realized he was out in the middle of no where. The greatest thing the pilot did was fly the plane. The worst thing he did was land the plane. Stupid pilot.

I'm in the camp that the plane is in Saudi Arabia in the middle of the desert next to polar bear bones.

 

[CurlyNight]

If it's pilot suicide, why fly until the fuel runs out? What's the point?

If one pilot is suicidal, the other may be trying to fight him? Who knows. This whole thing is mind boggling. It's like whatever scenario they come up with, there is a but that doesn't make sense.

 

[Das Boot]

Just heard on the nightly news that the Chinese listening device that heard the pings was low budget and hand-towed - WTF?

But... an Australian ship, 350 miles away (as I recall), with much more sophisticated equipment has just detected a ping.

The new ping is much too far away to be related to the Chinese detected ping, and given the advanced equipment, of more interest.

Unbelievable... this would be a bad movie if it was fictional.

It's more fictional than true.

CNN had the manufacturer of those hand held, low budget listening devices on earlier. Unless the plane (or black box) is sitting on a ledge, there is no way they heard the ping with that device. The Chinese think that rest of the word is stupid enough to believe that video of Gilligan and Skipper in a life raft with metal detector.

Article

Snippet regarding the Chinese vs. Australian sonar differences:

The crew of the Chinese ship reportedly picked up the signals using a hand-held sonar device called a hydrophone dangled over the side of a small runabout — something experts said was technically possible but extremely unlikely.

The equipment aboard the Ocean Shield and the HMS Echo are dragged slowly behind each ship over long distances and are considered far more sophisticated than those the Chinese crew was using.

Footage aired on China's state-run CCTV showed crew members in the small boat with a device shaped like a large soup can attached to a pole. It was hooked up by cords to electronic equipment in a padded suitcase as they poked the device into the water.

"If the Chinese have discovered this, they have found a new way of finding a needle in a haystack," said aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, editor-in-chief of AirlineRatings.com. "Because this is amazing. And if it proves to be correct, it's an extraordinarily lucky break."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree? Disagree, Malaysia has screwed this up from the beggining so there is no way of knowing if this info is reliable.

Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. The pilots had to know it wouldn't make Australia and all the "hard targets" are on the east coast of Australia.

If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. How many of the 9/11 hijackers had a connection to terrorism? It is more than possible that someone on that flight was not on anyone's radar

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.) Seems like some political message would have been sent out if this was the case, we heard nothing.

I'll go with one of my earlier theories that the plane was hijacked and was told to fly to a specific location. Pilots did what they were told and flew around radar, then decided they would fly beyond the point of return. Maybe the passengers overwhelmed the hijackers at some point and autopilot took over, and it eventually ran out of fuel. You have to think that at some point the passengers would have tried to take control of the aircraft if it was being hijacked.

Pilot suicide doesn't seem reasonable, they would have just flown it into the Bay of Thailand or something. Why fly all the way out to where they did? Seems like autopilot is still involved here, plane was flying too long and landed in the remotest of areas.

Based on your theory, when did the passengers attempt to take back the plane (or when did the plane start flying on it's own?)

If it was hijacked, where were the hijackers going that they ended up in the Southern Indian Ocean? Because the flight path looks deliberate?

If they were searching in the Bay of Thailand, South China Sea, or the Strait, hijacking (and fight with passengers) would make more sense.

But, I agree. We don't really have any facts to go on and the Malaysians can't be trusted.

Maybe after it turned south, who knows. I have no idea what happened and every time I hear a new theory, I break a piece of it off and chew on it for awhile. This doesn't follow as a terrorist plot at all, but things that happened in-flight which we don't know about could change that. Like for example, the passengers taking over at some point.

Neither pilot looks like a candidate for any terrorism and both seemed to be living good lives. Being troubled or having a bad week doesn't lead people of the ilk of a pilot to fly hundreds of people to their death on purpose. Seems like we would know if there were others on that plane who had flight training though, making pilot suicide theoretically more plausible. I don't buy it, but what do I know? I probably only just a little more than the Malaysian government does, so not much. lol

 

[KCitons]

Just heard on the nightly news that the Chinese listening device that heard the pings was low budget and hand-towed - WTF?

But... an Australian ship, 350 miles away (as I recall), with much more sophisticated equipment has just detected a ping.

The new ping is much too far away to be related to the Chinese detected ping, and given the advanced equipment, of more interest.

Unbelievable... this would be a bad movie if it was fictional.

It's more fictional than true.

CNN had the manufacturer of those hand held, low budget listening devices on earlier. Unless the plane (or black box) is sitting on a ledge, there is no way they heard the ping with that device. The Chinese think that rest of the word is stupid enough to believe that video of Gilligan and Skipper in a life raft with metal detector.

Article

Snippet regarding the Chinese vs. Australian sonar differences:

The crew of the Chinese ship reportedly picked up the signals using a hand-held sonar device called a hydrophone dangled over the side of a small runabout — something experts said was technically possible but extremely unlikely.

The equipment aboard the Ocean Shield and the HMS Echo are dragged slowly behind each ship over long distances and are considered far more sophisticated than those the Chinese crew was using.

Footage aired on China's state-run CCTV showed crew members in the small boat with a device shaped like a large soup can attached to a pole. It was hooked up by cords to electronic equipment in a padded suitcase as they poked the device into the water.

"If the Chinese have discovered this, they have found a new way of finding a needle in a haystack," said aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, editor-in-chief of AirlineRatings.com. "Because this is amazing. And if it proves to be correct, it's an extraordinarily lucky break."

enough said

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Did they ever find the flight data recorder on Oceanic Flight 815? If so, what did we learn?

 

[KCitons]

Did they ever find the flight data recorder on Oceanic Flight 815? If so, what did we learn?

No, but I mentioned earlier the Sunda (Java) Trench. Which is where the fake plane was in the TV show. The search area keeps moving farther North, closer to this trench.

 

[JetMaxx]

Just heard on the nightly news that the Chinese listening device that heard the pings was low budget and hand-towed - WTF?

But... an Australian ship, 350 miles away (as I recall), with much more sophisticated equipment has just detected a ping.

The new ping is much too far away to be related to the Chinese detected ping, and given the advanced equipment, of more interest.

Unbelievable... this would be a bad movie if it was fictional.

It's more fictional than true. CNN had the manufacturer of those hand held, low budget listening devices on earlier. Unless the plane (or black box) is sitting on a ledge, there is no way they heard the ping with that device. The Chinese think that rest of the word is stupid enough to believe that video of Gilligan and Skipper in a life raft with metal detector.

Article

Footage aired on China's state-run CCTV showed crew members in the small boat with a device shaped like a large soup can attached to a pole. It was hooked up by cords to electronic equipment in a padded suitcase as they poked the device into the water.

 

[JetMaxx]

In your opinion who is covering up what, JetMaxx?

To be honest, it's just a feeling I'm left with after so many coincidences and strange turns to this. My guess is that the plane was either landed somewhere with everyone dead as a result of the decompression with the exception of the pilot(s) or it was shot down ala Flight 93. Either way the cover up would prevent a global crisis that China and the US just don't want to get into right now. Hey you asked

 

[PatsWillWin]

I couldn't stay obsessed with this, but sounds like we're still pretty much at the same place as when I tuned out.

 

[Fat Nick]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree?

We are now left with hijacking, or pilot suicide. If you go with hijacking, you would have to believe that someone incapacitated the pilots and took control of the plane. If it was a a hijacker pointing a gun at the pilots and telling them to fly, one of the pilots would have been able to communicate that they were hijacked. The only thing that may make sense, is that the hijacker seemed to be on a course for Australia. Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. There are too many video cameras for people to hide. (even if they are traveling with stolen passports)

One thing a talking head mentioned about pilot suicide, is that the pilot could have requested to captain a flight to Australia (Malaysian Air has multiple flights each day) At that time, he could have ditched the plane in the Indian Ocean, while not having to turn off transponders or fly out of radar range of Indonesia.

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.)

Back from Florida. Glad to see nothing's changed here as far as news or lack thereof.

I'm still sticking to mechanical failure. To Doctor D's point, I'm currently not buying the "flight path took them around Malaysian airspace theory at the moment. I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe they could accurately track any portion of the flight path other than the terminal trajectory. If this was confirmed 100% true, I'd agree KCitons, but based on the simple fact that I discount it, I'm still with mechanical.

 

[JuniorNB]

I couldn't stay obsessed with this, but sounds like we're still pretty much at the same place as when I tuned out.

The only exception being that some Chinese dude thinks he heard pings through a Progressive Soup can he submerged in the water.

 

[CurlyNight]

I couldn't stay obsessed with this, but sounds like we're still pretty much at the same place as when I tuned out.

The only exception being that some Chinese dude thinks he heard pings through a Progressive Soup can he submerged in the water.

Lol! No kidding. WTH thing is that?? The phrase "made in china" really rings true here!

 

[Ursa M]

None of this tragedy is in any way amusing but something that IS amusing is watching CNN desperately struggling to reclassify worthless speculation as breaking news. They've been 24/7 for a month now and keep on dredging up new talking heads masquerading as experts to spout off about the latest rumor / speculation masquerading as fact. CNNs dedication to this story is so total that none of their viewers will know anything else that has happened in the world.

 

[Tom Servo]

In your opinion who is covering up what, JetMaxx?

To be honest, it's just a feeling I'm left with after so many coincidences and strange turns to this. My guess is that the plane was either landed somewhere with everyone dead as a result of the decompression with the exception of the pilot(s) or it was shot down ala Flight 93. Either way the cover up would prevent a global crisis that China and the US just don't want to get into right now. Hey you asked

So, what size is your tinfoil hat?

 

[KCitons]

I think the skirting around the North end of Indonesia eliminates the possibility of mechanical failure. Agree or disagree?

We are now left with hijacking, or pilot suicide. If you go with hijacking, you would have to believe that someone incapacitated the pilots and took control of the plane. If it was a a hijacker pointing a gun at the pilots and telling them to fly, one of the pilots would have been able to communicate that they were hijacked. The only thing that may make sense, is that the hijacker seemed to be on a course for Australia. Maybe they were hoping to hit a hard target with the plane, but ran out of fuel. If this was the case, we would have heard about someone on the plane being tied to terrorism. There are too many video cameras for people to hide. (even if they are traveling with stolen passports)

One thing a talking head mentioned about pilot suicide, is that the pilot could have requested to captain a flight to Australia (Malaysian Air has multiple flights each day) At that time, he could have ditched the plane in the Indian Ocean, while not having to turn off transponders or fly out of radar range of Indonesia.

But the Captain may have snapped due to something that happened in the days leading up to MH370 disappearance. (The jailing of Anwar Ibrahim the same day the plane disappeared.)

Back from Florida. Glad to see nothing's changed here as far as news or lack thereof.

I'm still sticking to mechanical failure. To Doctor D's point, I'm currently not buying the "flight path took them around Malaysian airspace theory at the moment. I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe they could accurately track any portion of the flight path other than the terminal trajectory. If this was confirmed 100% true, I'd agree KCitons, but based on the simple fact that I discount it, I'm still with mechanical.

If it took a direct flight path from last known contact the plane must have crashed. With the amount of fuel it had on board, it would have flown much farther than the current search area.

It also would have to take a direct path over Indonesian Island of Sumatra. They would have radar tracking. Unless the Indonesians shot it down?

 

[lod01]

None of this tragedy is in any way amusing but something that IS amusing is watching CNN desperately struggling to reclassify worthless speculation as breaking news. They've been 24/7 for a month now and keep on dredging up new talking heads masquerading as experts to spout off about the latest rumor / speculation masquerading as fact. CNNs dedication to this story is so total that none of their viewers will know anything else that has happened in the world.

I bet they wish they could wrap this thing up. They want to be right on top of it when they find the wreckage but hey are like chicken little right now.

 

[Fat Nick]

Back from Florida. Glad to see nothing's changed here as far as news or lack thereof.

I'm still sticking to mechanical failure. To Doctor D's point, I'm currently not buying the "flight path took them around Malaysian airspace theory at the moment. I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe they could accurately track any portion of the flight path other than the terminal trajectory. If this was confirmed 100% true, I'd agree KCitons, but based on the simple fact that I discount it, I'm still with mechanical.

If it took a direct flight path from last known contact the plane must have crashed. With the amount of fuel it had on board, it would have flown much farther than the current search area.

It also would have to take a direct path over Indonesian Island of Sumatra. They would have radar tracking. Unless the Indonesians shot it down?

The distance traveled would be heavily dependent on the altitude at which they were traveling. I think we've already shown that the actual altitude could be anywhere from below 5,000 feet to over 40,000 feet depending on the story you read. I wouldn't rule that out via fuel alone.

Good point on Sumatra though...I suppose if it WAS flying very low, it could've been missed...

This really is like a choose-your-own-adventure book. You can take the story in any direction you want, and justify it perfectly...I just hope we actually get to find out what definitively happened.

 

[Two Deep]

Note to search crews and reporters........Keep your ####### mouth shut until you actually find the plane.......You are just embarrassing yourselves.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So I guess since the Chinese and Australians have found pings 200 miles apart, there are actually two planes down there.