Missing Malaysian jet news (1 Viewer)

[T Bell]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They most certainly mark the spot with satellite navigation equipment, but the ping can come from any direction around the locator, not just from straight beneath it so it's not that exact.

Correct but if you pick up a ping, what would it hurt to search a 3 mile diameter from that location with a camara sub. You,ve already been wandering around in circles for a month. Start out a 3 miles and spiral on in.

I'm not sure what you think they've got, but have you ever seen what the camera's pick up at depth in one of those subs? The grainy images they tend to get cover maybe a couple of square yards, and they've got to be up close. The "just search 3 square miles" task isn't as easy or quick as it sounds. And BTW, I don't even know that 3 miles would be the proper search radius because I don't know the range of those pings; it could be 10 or more miles.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They most certainly mark the spot with satellite navigation equipment, but the ping can come from any direction around the locator, not just from straight beneath it so it's not that exact.

Correct but if you pick up a ping, what would it hurt to search a 3 mile diameter from that location with a camara sub. You,ve already been wandering around in circles for a month. Start out a 3 miles and spiral on in.

I'm not sure what you think they've got, but have you ever seen what the camera's pick up at depth in one of those subs? The grainy images they tend to get cover maybe a couple of square yards, and they've got to be up close. The "just search 3 square miles" task isn't as easy or quick as it sounds. And BTW, I don't even know that 3 miles would be the proper search radius because I don't know the range of those pings; it could be 10 or more miles.

I'm sorry, did you just interject some logic, critical thinking, and reason into this thread? I'm going to be forced to object.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They most certainly mark the spot with satellite navigation equipment, but the ping can come from any direction around the locator, not just from straight beneath it so it's not that exact.

Correct but if you pick up a ping, what would it hurt to search a 3 mile diameter from that location with a camara sub. You,ve already been wandering around in circles for a month. Start out a 3 miles and spiral on in.

I'm not sure what you think they've got, but have you ever seen what the camera's pick up at depth in one of those subs? The grainy images they tend to get cover maybe a couple of square yards, and they've got to be up close. The "just search 3 square miles" task isn't as easy or quick as it sounds. And BTW, I don't even know that 3 miles would be the proper search radius because I don't know the range of those pings; it could be 10 or more miles.

Aren't we talking like 12,000 feet deep? Weird wacky wild stuff down there. It's possible no one has ever explored the ocean floor down there, seriously.

Isn't this on the order of the search for the Titanic?

https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/v2/article/images.do?id=134369

Question:

are the pictures taken from high up above?

or do they send a mini deep diver sub that goes near the ocean floor?

 

[T Bell]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They most certainly mark the spot with satellite navigation equipment, but the ping can come from any direction around the locator, not just from straight beneath it so it's not that exact.

Correct but if you pick up a ping, what would it hurt to search a 3 mile diameter from that location with a camara sub. You,ve already been wandering around in circles for a month. Start out a 3 miles and spiral on in.

I'm not sure what you think they've got, but have you ever seen what the camera's pick up at depth in one of those subs? The grainy images they tend to get cover maybe a couple of square yards, and they've got to be up close. The "just search 3 square miles" task isn't as easy or quick as it sounds. And BTW, I don't even know that 3 miles would be the proper search radius because I don't know the range of those pings; it could be 10 or more miles.

Aren't we talking like 12,000 feet deep? Weird wacky wild stuff down there. It's possible no one has ever explored the ocean floor down there, seriously.

Isn't this on the order of the search for the Titanic?

https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/v2/article/images.do?id=134369

Question:

are the pictures taken from high up above?

or do they send a mini deep diver sub that goes near the ocean floor?

It's actually more difficult than the Titanic - they knew with pretty good precision where the boat sank, and I also think that it sank closer to land than a lot of this search is occurring. Also, while they've (apparently) got the black boxes pinging (for now), when that stops they'll be searching for objects that are a hell of a lot smaller than that ship.

 

[fatness]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They'll get towed and have to pay the impound lot to get the ship back.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I just hope Godzilla doesn't make a pinging noise when he hibernates.

 

[El Floppo]

I'm sure I'm not alone...

Every time I open this thread I'm still... STILL... hoping that something has happened.

 

[Apple Jack]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

 

[El Floppo]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

I'm thinking it would be hand-in-hand.

 

[Apple Jack]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

I'm thinking it would be hand-in-hand.

Not necessarily, though my point is more that they will be using the info obtained from the pings to find the wreckage. That's the opposite of how that typically works.

 

[El Floppo]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

I'm thinking it would be hand-in-hand.

Not necessarily, though my point is more that they will be using the info obtained from the pings to find the wreckage. That's the opposite of how that typically works.

gotcha.

 

[arrow1]

I'm sure I'm not alone...

Every time I open this thread I'm still... STILL... hoping that something has happened.

 

[Fat Nick]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

JUST the black boxes...sitting by themselves on the bottom of the ocean with nothing else around.

 

[culdeus]

If the thing went nose in it could be somewhat intact all the way to the floor of the ocean. Also would explain lack of debris to an extent. But I'm not ruling out that he dumped the box in the middle of the ocean and did a mid-flight refuel and went on to Somalia.

 

[culdeus]

Or how about this. Fly the plan to A-Stan. Remove the black boxes. Have someone go dump them in the ocean, then start your own airline.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Or how about this. Fly the plan to A-Stan. Remove the black boxes. Have someone go dump them in the ocean, then start your own airline.

Easy there, buddy. This is my theory.

 

[Two Deep]

Search crews hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep below the southern Indian Ocean that officials said were consistent with a plane's black boxes, the head of the search operation said Tuesday.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-no-new-black-box-like-sounds-heard/

So when they first (or subsequently) heard these pings, why does a ship not just park itself above where they are coming from?

They most certainly mark the spot with satellite navigation equipment, but the ping can come from any direction around the locator, not just from straight beneath it so it's not that exact.

Correct but if you pick up a ping, what would it hurt to search a 3 mile diameter from that location with a camara sub. You,ve already been wandering around in circles for a month. Start out a 3 miles and spiral on in.

I'm not sure what you think they've got, but have you ever seen what the camera's pick up at depth in one of those subs? The grainy images they tend to get cover maybe a couple of square yards, and they've got to be up close. The "just search 3 square miles" task isn't as easy or quick as it sounds. And BTW, I don't even know that 3 miles would be the proper search radius because I don't know the range of those pings; it could be 10 or more miles.

Aren't we talking like 12,000 feet deep? Weird wacky wild stuff down there. It's possible no one has ever explored the ocean floor down there, seriously.

Isn't this on the order of the search for the Titanic?

https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/v2/article/images.do?id=134369

Question:

are the pictures taken from high up above?

or do they send a mini deep diver sub that goes near the ocean floor?

It's actually more difficult than the Titanic - they knew with pretty good precision where the boat sank, and I also think that it sank closer to land than a lot of this search is occurring. Also, while they've (apparently) got the black boxes pinging (for now), when that stops they'll be searching for objects that are a hell of a lot smaller than that ship.

Parts of a two hundred feet plane should be should be detectable.

 

[Two Deep]

To limit further roiling of the waters, officials are limiting sea traffic in the area. That's one reason that there's no rush to put drones in the water to take photos.

Another reason: Drones are painfully slow. The Ocean Shield towing a pinger locator can search six times the area than can a drone equipped with sonar, Houston said.

"The better the Ocean Shield can define the area, the easier it will be for the autonomous underwater vehicle to subsequently search for aircraft wreckage," he said.

 

[Doug B]

Parts of a two hundred feet plane should be should be detectable.

Not visually.The ocean at that depth is totally black -- all sunlight is blocked.

EDIT: well, of course any manned submersible would bring its own light source. But as mentioned by someone else above, only small areas can be illuminated at one time.

 

[BroadwayG]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

 

[TheIronSheik]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

Bitcoins

 

[Doug B]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

Doubt they're on the hook for it. No more than the British government was on the hook for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

The tax dollars of several nations are at work. Likely a few private enterprises are involved, as well.

 

[T Bell]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

Doubt they're on the hook for it. No more than the British government was on the hook for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

The tax dollars of several nations are at work. Likely a few private enterprises are involved, as well.

I feel pretty confident that BP footed a big part of that bill - maybe not enough, but they certainly didn't get away Scot free.

This is a different situation that doesn't involve "fault" the same way that that oil spill did. Governments are chipping in here to generate goodwill and/or to play to their citizens interests, and also I think to try to get to the bottom of what remains a very bizarre and confusing event.

 

[bagger]

If the thing went nose in it could be somewhat intact all the way to the floor of the ocean. Also would explain lack of debris to an extent. But I'm not ruling out that he dumped the box in the middle of the ocean and did a mid-flight refuel and went on to Somalia.

with a note that says "lol pwn3d tts:".

 

[El Floppo]

more pings detected in same area.

 

[Doug B]

Doubt they're on the hook for it. No more than the British government was on the hook for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

I feel pretty confident that BP footed a big part of that bill - maybe not enough, but they certainly didn't get away Scot free.

Maybe my ignorance is showing -- BP is not a state-run corporaton, correct?

You're right that, as big as it was, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill essentially remained the responsibility of a small number of corporations (as opposed to being considered "big enough" to be a federally-declared disaster and invoking tax dollars).

 

[fatness]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

JUST the black boxes...sitting by themselves on the bottom of the ocean with nothing else around.

"Ditch the boxes! We're heading to Pakistan!"

 

[T Bell]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

JUST the black boxes...sitting by themselves on the bottom of the ocean with nothing else around.

"Ditch the boxes! We're heading to Pakistan!"

"Bring the cannoli."

 

[fatness]

It would be pretty incredible if the black boxes are found before any wreckage.

JUST the black boxes...sitting by themselves on the bottom of the ocean with nothing else around.

"Ditch the boxes! We're heading to Pakistan!"

"Bring the cannoli."

"Try the veal."

 

[fantasycurse42]

Plane clearly is in Antarctica - Not sure why they are searching west of Australia.

 

[msommer]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

Doubt they're on the hook for it. No more than the British government was on the hook for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

The tax dollars of several nations are at work. Likely a few private enterprises are involved, as well.

I feel pretty confident that BP footed a big part of that bill - maybe not enough, but they certainly didn't get away Scot free.

This is a different situation that doesn't involve "fault" the same way that that oil spill did. Governments are chipping in here to generate goodwill and/or to play to their citizens interests, and also I think to try to get to the bottom of what remains a very bizarre and confusing event.

In January the bill was 43bn and counting. But BP is not state owned. It was privatized between 1979 and 1987

 

[culdeus]

I was led to believe by Hunt for red october that you could triangulate a fart fan in a Nuclear Sub at a distance of 10 miles within a foot. So you tell me that they have something that is playing a dubstep beat every 30 seconds can't be tracked to within miles?

 

[Two Deep]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

I think someone else mentioned this earlier.... it's like a contest now. All of the involved countries want to be the one who finds it, they can care less about reimbursement.

 

[El Floppo]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

I think someone else mentioned this earlier.... it's like a contest now. All of the involved countries want to be the one who finds it, they can care less about reimbursement.

I have to stop and think about what the person is trying to say every time I hear or read this. I admit, I'm not very bright... it trips me up as to whether they're meaning what they think they're saying or just playing. Like... I like to say "half of one, six dozen of the other".

 

[Two Deep]

How is malaysia going to pay for all this searching?

I think someone else mentioned this earlier.... it's like a contest now. All of the involved countries want to be the one who finds it, they can care less about reimbursement.

I have to stop and think about what the person is trying to say every time I hear or read this. I admit, I'm not very bright... it trips me up as to whether they're meaning what they think they're saying or just playing. Like... I like to say "half of one, six dozen of the other".

Could/ couldn't whatever makes you happy.

 

[Fat Nick]

If the thing went nose in it could be somewhat intact all the way to the floor of the ocean. Also would explain lack of debris to an extent. But I'm not ruling out that he dumped the box in the middle of the ocean and did a mid-flight refuel and went on to Somalia.

Kind of like how if you can make your body straight enough you can survive a fall into water from any height...right?

 

[Doug B]

I was led to believe by Hunt for Red October that you could triangulate a fart fan in a Nuclear Sub at a distance of 10 miles within a foot. So you tell me that they have something that is playing a dubstep beat every 30 seconds can't be tracked to within miles?

As awesome as Jonesy was on the headphones ... he is only a fictional character

 

[fantasycurse42]

Wouldn't the pressure from being 3 miles down destroy the plane (breaking it into numerous pieces) even if it was intact upon impact and sinking?

 

[culdeus]

Wouldn't the pressure from being 3 miles down destroy the plane (breaking it into numerous pieces) even if it was intact upon impact and sinking?

As opposed to them just hanging out, eating peanuts and having an orgy while waiting to be rescued?

 

[jon_mx]

I was led to believe by Hunt for red october that you could triangulate a fart fan in a Nuclear Sub at a distance of 10 miles within a foot. So you tell me that they have something that is playing a dubstep beat every 30 seconds can't be tracked to within miles?

Tracking sound in a non-homogeneous medium is not an easy task.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Which is going better?

A. This thread

B. The search

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I can't prove it but this plane going MIA has something to do with all of the Big Foot TV shows on these days. It's pretty common knowledge that the Squatch are aliens from another planet which is why one has never been captured. This is retaliation for the recent relentless hunting of them. Find a Big Foot, you find that plane.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Which is going better?

A. This thread

B. The search

Trick question... They are equally terrible.

 

[jon_mx]

Which is going better?

A. This thread

B. The search

Trick question... They are equally terrible.

Oh come on, this thread is a classic. At least 200 Christo " " posts all while throwing in his expert opinion based on reading pilot forums. Dozens of awesome speculative posts all knowing what the only possible scenario is. Lots of misinformation from news sources. Some good iFighting. What more could you possibly ask for?

 

[T Bell]

The thread is clearly outperforming the search.

 

[fatness]

Great detective work here, exposing what a hoax this all is.

Nothing about this airplane incident/disappearance is real, including the victims and their families. The militaries of Zionist-controlled Australia used as its assets spies for this hoax. Weeks is one of them.

 

[T Bell]

Great detective work here, exposing what a hoax this all is.

Nothing about this airplane incident/disappearance is real, including the victims and their families. The militaries of Zionist-controlled Australia used as its assets spies for this hoax. Weeks is one of them.

I feel safer living in a world where vigilant guardians like this protect me.

 

[Two Deep]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/09/flight-370-effort-could-soon-shift-from-search-to-recovery/

Some world record recovery guy is claiming the plane has been found and pictures may soon follow...........of course he is not actually involved in the search but knows people who are.

Worth a read as he states how the search/recovery will go and what will be used.

 

[Harry Manback]

Hey, Iron Shiek is back!

 

[tjnc09]

$50 million has been spent on trying to find the plane? Wow