Missing Malaysian jet news (1 Viewer)

[The General]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

We probably need a Vasco de Gama type to answer this.

 

[SacramentoBob]

As far as texting the families, initially sounds awful. But, how do you call hundreds and hundreds of people with info before the story explodes in the media. I would think the airline told these people they would receive confirmed info via text to avoid them having to sift through all the false reports that were coming out online.

Dear so and so we think we found your dead relatives wrecked plane. Have a nice day and good luck in the future.

Just wait until they send the followup email survey asking to rate their last flight.

 

[tjnc09]

Definitely need an emoticon of "FLIGHT 370" written over "LOST"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-370-tv-station-apologizes-for-malaysia-airlines-lost-tweet/

 

[KCitons]

Are they capable of sending a robot down to those depths to retrieve the black box?

Probably. If it fell into a deep crevice, then it may be lost forever.

Forever is a long time. I don't know that we've begun tapping the ocean depths for thermal energy. It will eventually be found accidentally.

Wouldn't it crust over with coral, seaweed, or barnacles? And just fade into the landscape.

 

[KCitons]

As far as texting the families, initially sounds awful. But, how do you call hundreds and hundreds of people with info before the story explodes in the media. I would think the airline told these people they would receive confirmed info via text to avoid them having to sift through all the false reports that were coming out online.

Dear so and so we think we found your dead relatives wrecked plane. Have a nice day and good luck in the future.

Just wait until they send the followup email survey asking to rate their last flight.

Do frequent flyer miles still count?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

This isn't an aviation question. This is a 3rd grade question.

 

[CBusAlex]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

We probably need a Vasco de Gama type to answer this.

Well, if you leave from California and fly over the west pole, you end up in Japan. So it makes sense that you could do it southways, too.

 

[jamny]

Probably posted already, but.....hmmm...notice anything weird.

Photos of Iranians with stolen passports

Malaysian police admitted the image of one man had been placed on top of the other when they were photocopied

 

[KCitons]

Probably posted already, but.....hmmm...notice anything weird.

Photos of Iranians with stolen passports

Malaysian police admitted the image of one man had been placed on top of the other when they were photocopied

Old news. Should have been the first clue. If the Malaysians can't print out a simple picture, what are they doing running an airline

 

[culdeus]

As far as texting the families, initially sounds awful. But, how do you call hundreds and hundreds of people with info before the story explodes in the media. I would think the airline told these people they would receive confirmed info via text to avoid them having to sift through all the false reports that were coming out online.

Dear so and so we think we found your dead relatives wrecked plane. Have a nice day and good luck in the future.

Just wait until they send the followup email survey asking to rate their last flight.

Do frequent flyer miles still count?

Better question is do they get credit for the extra miles flown

 

[DiStefano]

Probably posted already, but.....hmmm...notice anything weird.

Photos of Iranians with stolen passports

Malaysian police admitted the image of one man had been placed on top of the other when they were photocopied

Old news. Should have been the first clue. If the Malaysians can't print out a simple picture, what are they doing running an airline

I thought sodomy was illegal in Malaysia.

 

[DiStefano]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

We probably need a Vasco de Gama type to answer this.

Well, if you leave from California and fly over the west pole, you end up in Japan. So it makes sense that you could do it southways, too.

Wait a minute, that's wrong. You must be flying over the east pole, because Japan is the Far East.

 

[mr roboto]

Tool to find the exact opposite side of the world.

http://www.antipodr.com

What's creepy is that when I plugged in Chicago it's almost exactly where the debris was found southwest of Perth...

 

[PatsWillWin]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

 

[jonessed]

Doesn't the transponder have less than two weeks left max? I really hope they find it. At least if they have a general location some conclusions can be drawn. If they find nothing at all there will never be any kind of closure.

For us or the families??????

Obviously it's hardest on the families, but I have concerns about why planes might disappear as well.If it was mechanical failure, what failed? If it was terrorist related, how did the terrorists get on board? If the pilot went nuts, why? How can it be prevented?

Get real. There are 34 million flights each year in the world. We need to take reasonable precautions, of course, but perfect safety under all circumstances is a pipe dream. You might as well say: "How can we prevent anyone from dying accidentally from any cause?"

Planes that size don't just disappear on a regular basis. Flying is safe largely because the industry is heavily regulated and monitored. It's important to know what happened.

 

[johnnycakes]

China has been having an increasingly severe problem with Mooslims, too. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese react because most passengers were Chinese... and how the world's Mooslims will fare with two of the world's biggest superpowers really po'd with them.

 

[jonessed]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

Seems reasonable given what they have to work with. If the modeled endpoint is the middle of an ocean there's a pretty large margin if error built-in.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The article I read mentioned the plane flying at 12,000 feet. I hadn't seen that before (sorry if it was mentioned, I'm not backtracking through all the pages), and that is hugely significant in my eyes. Perfect altitude if you have an emergency that crippled your cabin pressurization and your comms. Get down to where people can breath, and out of the way of all the other traffic you can't communicate with. This further puts me on board with the electrical fire scenario.

 

[jon_mx]

Doesn't the transponder have less than two weeks left max? I really hope they find it. At least if they have a general location some conclusions can be drawn. If they find nothing at all there will never be any kind of closure.

For us or the families??????

Obviously it's hardest on the families, but I have concerns about why planes might disappear as well.If it was mechanical failure, what failed? If it was terrorist related, how did the terrorists get on board? If the pilot went nuts, why? How can it be prevented?

Get real. There are 34 million flights each year in the world. We need to take reasonable precautions, of course, but perfect safety under all circumstances is a pipe dream. You might as well say: "How can we prevent anyone from dying accidentally from any cause?"

Excellent point!Forget about trying to figure out what happened. Why try and prevent this in the future. Let's stick our heads in the sand and move along. Air travel safety is "good enough".

Not familiar with the concept of diminishing returns are we? Instead of trying to spend billions of dollars and added delays, why not focus the money on car safety where you could safe thousands of times more lives for the same money.

 

[PatsWillWin]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

Seems reasonable given what they have to work with. If the modeled endpoint is the middle of an ocean there's a pretty large margin if error built-in.

I'm sure whatever the method is is accurate, it would just be nice to have a case-closing smoking gun. This wouldn't be necessarily sufficient for me was a grieving family member, after all this time.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

So pretty much the worst explanation ever, right?

Let's hope this press conference tomorrow gives some actual evidence.

Not nearly as bad as TWA flight 800.

 

[jonessed]

Doesn't the transponder have less than two weeks left max? I really hope they find it. At least if they have a general location some conclusions can be drawn. If they find nothing at all there will never be any kind of closure.

For us or the families??????

Obviously it's hardest on the families, but I have concerns about why planes might disappear as well.If it was mechanical failure, what failed? If it was terrorist related, how did the terrorists get on board? If the pilot went nuts, why? How can it be prevented?

Get real. There are 34 million flights each year in the world. We need to take reasonable precautions, of course, but perfect safety under all circumstances is a pipe dream. You might as well say: "How can we prevent anyone from dying accidentally from any cause?"

Excellent point!Forget about trying to figure out what happened. Why try and prevent this in the future. Let's stick our heads in the sand and move along. Air travel safety is "good enough".

Not familiar with the concept of diminishing returns are we? Instead of trying to spend billions of dollars and added delays, why not focus the money on car safety where you could safe thousands of times more lives for the same money.

Instead of spending billions of dollars on what? Lost planes?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

That wouldn't work because if you keep flying south then you will crash into the south pole.

How tall is this pole? Can't you just go over it, or does it go all the way up into space?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Aviation question:

Can you fly over the south pole?

For example, given the right amount of fuel, airplane, etc, could you fly out of South America heading directly south and at some point reach North America / Canada or does it not work like that?

That wouldn't work because if you keep flying south then you will crash into the south pole.

How tall is this pole? Can't you just go over it, or does it go all the way up into space?

my link

 

[KCitons]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?

Seems like simple math.

 

[belljr]

Not all countries use the same radar/software/regulations as we do.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Not all countries use the same radar/software/regulations as we do.

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is a UN specialized agency, created in 1944 upon the signing of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention).

ICAO works with the Convention’s 191 Signatory States and global industry and aviation organizations to develop international Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs) which are then used by States when they develop their legally-binding national civil aviation regulations.

There are currently over 10,000 SARPs reflected in the 19 Annexes to the Chicago Convention which ICAO oversees, and it is through these SARPs and ICAO’s complementary policy, auditing and capacity-building efforts that today’s global air transport network is able to operate over 100,000 daily flights, safely, efficiently and securely in every region of the world.

Malaysia is a Council Member state. So yea, they pretty much do use the same rules and regulations as everyone else.

 

[belljr]

Not all countries use the same radar/software/regulations as we do.

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is a UN specialized agency, created in 1944 upon the signing of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention).

ICAO works with the Conventions 191 Signatory States and global industry and aviation organizations to develop international Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs) which are then used by States when they develop their legally-binding national civil aviation regulations.

There are currently over 10,000 SARPs reflected in the 19 Annexes to the Chicago Convention which ICAO oversees, and it is through these SARPs and ICAOs complementary policy, auditing and capacity-building efforts that todays global air transport network is able to operate over 100,000 daily flights, safely, efficiently and securely in every region of the world.

Malaysia is a Council Member state. So yea, they pretty much do use the same rules and regulations as everyone else.

ok my mistake but not necessarily the same technologies... heck sone airports in the USA run different software than others

 

[TxBuckeye]

Not all countries use the same radar/software/regulations as we do.

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is a UN specialized agency, created in 1944 upon the signing of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention).

ICAO works with the Conventions 191 Signatory States and global industry and aviation organizations to develop international Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs) which are then used by States when they develop their legally-binding national civil aviation regulations.

There are currently over 10,000 SARPs reflected in the 19 Annexes to the Chicago Convention which ICAO oversees, and it is through these SARPs and ICAOs complementary policy, auditing and capacity-building efforts that todays global air transport network is able to operate over 100,000 daily flights, safely, efficiently and securely in every region of the world.

Malaysia is a Council Member state. So yea, they pretty much do use the same rules and regulations as everyone else.

ok my mistake but not necessarily the same technologies... heck sone airports in the USA run different software than others

Oh yea, you are probably dead on when it comes to radar and whatnot. Definitely differences between the countries.

 

[belljr]

Not all countries use the same radar/software/regulations as we do.

The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is a UN specialized agency, created in 1944 upon the signing of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention).

ICAO works with the Conventions 191 Signatory States and global industry and aviation organizations to develop international Standards and Recommended Practices (SARPs) which are then used by States when they develop their legally-binding national civil aviation regulations.

There are currently over 10,000 SARPs reflected in the 19 Annexes to the Chicago Convention which ICAO oversees, and it is through these SARPs and ICAOs complementary policy, auditing and capacity-building efforts that todays global air transport network is able to operate over 100,000 daily flights, safely, efficiently and securely in every region of the world.

Malaysia is a Council Member state. So yea, they pretty much do use the same rules and regulations as everyone else.

ok my mistake but not necessarily the same technologies... heck sone airports in the USA run different software than others

Oh yea, you are probably dead on when it comes to radar and whatnot. Definitely differences between the countries.

My point I was trying to make poorly was we say how can the plane be lost etc but we are comparing it to our systems where another country system or setup may have bigger holes. I just suck

 

[fatness]

It is pretty amazing that a plane that size could just disappear with no plausible explanation. At least in this day and age where everything is tracked and monitored so heavily.

I believe the solution is to make planes bigger than oceans. They would be impossible to lose.

We could make it illegal to crash a plane into the ocean. Just create crash free zones in all water deeper than 10 feet.

Has anybody recycled the horrid stand-up line "Why don't they just make the whole plane out of the black box?"

or styrofoam

or spruce

 

[fatness]

Notice that now the "it climbed to 45,000 feet" thing is pretty much forgotten. Same with the "it flew out to the Maldives", which Goodfellow inexplicably accounted for in his analysis last week.

I had never heard of the Maldives before this story (or I heard of them and forgot them). Cool name, reminds me of something you pick out of salads. "Anybody want my maldives?" I was really rooting for that theory.

I'm crestfallen.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?Seems like simple math.

Slow down there hotshot. We need MOP to crunch the numbers before we jump to any conclusions.

 

[JetMaxx]

Excellent point!

Forget about trying to figure out what happened. Why try and prevent this in the future. Let's stick our heads in the sand and move along. Air travel safety is "good enough".

This thread is the perfect answer to that. We've spend almost 5,000 posts or so trying to figure out what happened. And it will probably run a few thousand more. So we don't need to worry about sticking our head in the sand. But perfect safety will forever elude us.

The terrorists will smile with glee watching the evil commercialized world spend trillions trying.

 

[KCitons]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?Seems like simple math.

Slow down there hotshot. We need MOP to crunch the numbers before we jump to any conclusions.

If we're lucky, maybe he will make a youtube video, where he sings, dances, and uses math to explain how a plane disappears.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Hypothetical.

If this had happened back in mid-2004, would they have canceled the premiere of Lost?

 

[xulf]

Hypothetical.

If this had happened back in mid-2004, would they have canceled the premiere of Lost?

Not seeing the connection.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?

Seems like simple math.

C=πd

A=πr(squared)

 

[KCitons]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?

Seems like simple math.

C=πd

A=πr(squared)

please submit all math lessons in video form.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?

Seems like simple math.

C=πd

A=πr(squared)

please submit all math lessons in video form.

Cherry Pie Delicious

Apple Pies R 2

 

[Two Deep]

So Ive been away a few hours....The plane still missing, no collected debris, is that about right.

 

[KCitons]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

239 - 239 = ?

Seems like simple math.

C=πd

A=πr(squared)

please submit all math lessons in video form.

Cherry Pie Delicious

Apple Pies R 2

 

[JetMaxx]

So Ive been away a few hours....The plane still missing, no collected debris, is that about right.

Yes. And the case is settled.

 

[Two Deep]

Hypoxia back on the table as the British satellite math guys got the plane flying at 30,000 feet. Hypoxia best case scenerio for all onboard. Go to sleep and not be aware of what is ahead.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So Ive been away a few hours....The plane still missing, no collected debris, is that about right.

Yes and bad weather will suspend the search for the next few days according to local news.

 

[wilked]

KCItons, I see you have made over 300 posts in this thread...you sure that is healthy dude?

 

[KCitons]

KCItons, I see you have made over 300 posts in this thread...you sure that is healthy dude?

Let me know when I hit 600.

 

[carverlee]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

Seems reasonable given what they have to work with. If the modeled endpoint is the middle of an ocean there's a pretty large margin if error built-in.

If I have 239 people, and you take away 239 people, that leaves me with 0 people.

 

[DiStefano]

CNN Video ‏@CNNVideo 26m

Satellite company: The data analysis of #Flight370's direction was a "groundbreaking" and math-based process: http://cnn.it/1h1FOae

So they mathed out that all the people are dead.

Seems reasonable given what they have to work with. If the modeled endpoint is the middle of an ocean there's a pretty large margin if error built-in.

If I have 239 people, and you take away 239 people, that leaves me with 0 people.

It's about what you deserve.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So the Aussies are saying that the searches will be very difficult now as autumn is in full swing, their November is quickly approaching. Essentially if they don't find this plane in the next month they'll have to stop for winter. This means search would stop from May to September in that part of the world. Yikes.