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Doctor Detroit said:
NCCommish said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Having been around the Air Force for 20+ years and having flown on just about every airframe in modern aviation, you'd be surprised where we can land what. Kandahar Airfield was not rated for C-17s for several years but I still flew into Kandahar several times in 2001 and 2002 on a C-17. Plus landing a plane according to standard and landing it just good enough are two different things. Maybe they didn't land it safely at all, maybe they tried and crashed.

It's the possibility of the plane actually trying to land because of it being seized that we are spit-balling here, and we are talking about radical people (AQ) who might try to land a plane almost anywhere just to see if it could be done. Maybe they flew into the side of a mountain in Tibet, or to the middle of the Indian Ocean.

Or, or...maybe this turned into another flight 93 situation. Point is no one knows, and if the transponder was turned off and the plane flew 4 more hours, hijacking becomes more likely than it was before in my mind. I was about 95% catastrophic failure, now I'm like 50/50. I also think that since it flew for four additional hours, finding it now becomes nearly impossible.

Oh and what happened to the Chinese wreckage stuff? Did they find that yet? Rolls Royce has the speed and altitude info, once investigators know that they can at least figure out if the plane was in auto pilot and maybe take a stab at what happened.
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Yeah this isn't a military airframe. You land it on dirt then you are likely done. The C-17 was designed for less than optimal conditions, a 777 isn't. Further as a former aircraft mechanic I can tell you that what TB said above is true that thing is breaking down as we speak if it is sitting somewhere. And given the reinforcement of cabin doors after 911 makes the flight 93 scenario a little less likely.
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You are trying to use reason with the unreasonable. Just because you believe that someone can't land a 777 on an island, doesn't mean the people who would try to hijack a 777 and land it on an island don't think it can't be done.
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Investigators discovered that Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah had programmed a flight simulator at home to practice a flight far out at sea in the Indian Ocean and landing on an island with a short runway.
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:coffee:
 
In 1966, the U.S. Navy lost a hydrogen bomb in the Mediterranean after a midair collision between a B-52 bomber and refueling plane.

Afraid the bomb would fall into the wrong hands, the Navy sought help from Woods Hole scientists who were experimenting with a miniature submarine called Alvin—one of the world's first deep-sea submersible vehicles. It located the bomb at a depth of about 2,900 feet.
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:o

 
DiStefano said:
Somewhat long, but detailed article on where the search stands toady:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/worlds-deep-sea-explorers-angle-to-solve-the-mystery-of-the-missing-malaysian-airliner-1406833389?mod=trending_now_1
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Interesting read.

Sometimes it is easy to forget how massive Earth is. The comparison to charting planets vs this part of the ocean was interesting.

It still amazes me that not a single piece of debris has been found after 5 months. That just doesn't seem possible.

$56 million has already been spent. I feel sad for the families of the victims but that seems like a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere especially if they are going back out there to search (and pay more $) again.

 
Chicago lawyer faces sanctions for suit against Malaysia Airlines

A Chicago aviation lawyer who made international news when she filed the first court action shortly after a Malaysian Airlines jet vanished earlier this year now faces sanctions from Illinois’ attorney disciplinary agency for filing the allegedly frivolous case.

Monica Kelly held a heavily publicized press conference in Kuala Lumpur in March to announce she’d filed a petition alleging that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had experienced a catastrophic mechanical failure before plunging into the southern Indian Ocean, killing all 239 passengers and crew on board.

A complaint made public Tuesday by the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission alleged that the allegations “had no basis in fact and were frivolous” because Kelly had no evidence of a mechanical malfunction on the still-missing Boeing 777.

The complaint also alleged the court filing -- a request to conduct discovery -- was frivolous because Kelly already knew that Chicago-based Boeing and Malaysia Airlines were the parties responsible for the flight.

A Cook County judge dismissed Kelly’s petition three days after it was filed. Judge Kathy Flanagan, who oversees airline-related suits, also threatened to impose sanctions on Kelly’s firm if it continued to file such petitions, which are typically the precursors to a lawsuit. Kelly has appealed the judge’s ruling.

An attorney at Ribbeck Law, where Kelly is a partner, said the Loyola University Chicago law school graduate was out of the country Tuesday and could not comment on the ARDC complaint.



The hard-charging attorney has garnered wide media attention in recent months. In an interview earlier this year with the Tribune, she described herself as “a piranha...who eats sharks for breakfast” when it comes to competing with other lawyers for clients.

While she goes by Kelly at her law firm and in legal filings, the ARDC complaint was filed against Monica Ribbeck, the name Kelly is registered to practice law under in Illinois.

Her attorney, George Collins, said he believes Kelly had a good-faith basis to file the petition in March and said it was “very rare” for the ARDC to file a complaint on such an issue.

“If you’re going to file a lawsuit on the theory that this airplane could not have wandered off course, that there was a defect in the airplane...you have to know who made all the instruments in the airplane if you’re going to have an engineer try to figure what went wrong,” he said.

It’s not the first time Kelly has faced scrutiny from the ARDC. A hearing board earlier this year recommended that she be censured for continuing to try to represent a survivor of a 2009 Turkish Airlines crash in the Netherlands that killed nine and injured dozens even after the onetime client sent a letter terminating their relationship. Kelly has appealed that ruling.

Last year, after three died and dozens were injured in an Asiana Airlines crash in San Francisco, the National Transportation Safety Board reportedly recommended that Illinois regulators investigate Kelly's firm over allegations that its attorneys violated a U.S. law that prohibits uninvited solicitations of air crash victims in the first 45 days after a crash.

Kelly told the Tribune earlier this year that state regulators were looking into the allegation but she denied she did anything wrong. She said her firm had been invited to talk to victims and that it would have been impossible to solicit them because they were in a heavily secured hotel.

She said in the Tribune interview that she has filed about 40 airline crash lawsuits representing people from 70 countries.

If the ARDC complaint is sustained by a panel of attorneys after hearing evidence, Kelly could face a range of punishment from censure or suspension to losing her license.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-lawyer-malaysia-airlines-suit-20140805-story.html?track=rss

I've been in front of Judge Flanagan several times. You better have yourself squared away or else she'll eat you alive.

 
Ukraine hijacked airline as Russian troops were building on border.

Lays low for a few months.

Proceeds to then shoot it down to garner support to allow international support against Russia.

They then hijack the one from Amsterdam in case they need to do it again.

 
bagger said:
Ukraine hijacked airline as Russian troops were building on border.

Lays low for a few months.

Proceeds to then shoot it down to garner support to allow international support against Russia.

They then hijack the one from Amsterdam in case they need to do it again.
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So then how does al Qaeda get their own airline? :confused:

 
Mystery as £20,000 cash is withdrawn from accounts of four passengers who went down with doomed Flight MH370

  • Bank detected mysterious transactions 5 months after flight disappeared
  • Money moved from accounts of 3 passengers into 4th passenger's accounts
  • Police have launched investigation into the claims
  • Team is preparing deep-water search at a spot in 60,000 sq km search area










More than £20,000 has been stolen from four passengers aboard the doomed MH370 flight.

Five months after the Malaysia Airlines flight went missing, mysterious withdrawals totaling 111,000 RM (£20,916) have been recorded, reports claim.

A bank in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, reported the apparent discrepancies in their accounts on July 18, before lodging a police complaint, Assistant Commissioner to the crime investigation department Izany Abdul Ghany revealed.

It comes as the search team prepares to conduct a deep-water search across 60,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean.

According to reports, the transactions were made on July 18 when money from the accounts of three passengers was transferred to the account of a fourth passenger before it was removed.


'We are investigating the case as unauthorised access with intent to commit an offence,' Izany said, according to the Mirror.

'We are getting CCTV footage from the bank to identify the suspects involved.'

A source told the New Straits Times: 'We believe the suspect withdrew the money through the fourth victim's account via several automated teller machines (ATMs) in the Klang Valley.'

:oldunsure:



 
tjnc09 said:
Mystery as £20,000 cash is withdrawn from accounts of four passengers who went down with doomed Flight MH370

  • Bank detected mysterious transactions 5 months after flight disappeared
  • Money moved from accounts of 3 passengers into 4th passenger's accounts
  • Police have launched investigation into the claims
  • Team is preparing deep-water search at a spot in 60,000 sq km search area








More than £20,000 has been stolen from four passengers aboard the doomed MH370 flight.

Five months after the Malaysia Airlines flight went missing, mysterious withdrawals totaling 111,000 RM (£20,916) have been recorded, reports claim.

A bank in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, reported the apparent discrepancies in their accounts on July 18, before lodging a police complaint, Assistant Commissioner to the crime investigation department Izany Abdul Ghany revealed.

It comes as the search team prepares to conduct a deep-water search across 60,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean.

According to reports, the transactions were made on July 18 when money from the accounts of three passengers was transferred to the account of a fourth passenger before it was removed.


'We are investigating the case as unauthorised access with intent to commit an offence,' Izany said, according to the Mirror.

'We are getting CCTV footage from the bank to identify the suspects involved.'

A source told the New Straits Times: 'We believe the suspect withdrew the money through the fourth victim's account via several automated teller machines (ATMs) in the Klang Valley.'

:oldunsure:

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Seed money. New airlines don't just pay for themselves.

 
tjnc09 said:
Mystery as £20,000 cash is withdrawn from accounts of four passengers who went down with doomed Flight MH370

  • Bank detected mysterious transactions 5 months after flight disappeared
  • Money moved from accounts of 3 passengers into 4th passenger's accounts
  • Police have launched investigation into the claims
  • Team is preparing deep-water search at a spot in 60,000 sq km search area








More than £20,000 has been stolen from four passengers aboard the doomed MH370 flight.

Five months after the Malaysia Airlines flight went missing, mysterious withdrawals totaling 111,000 RM (£20,916) have been recorded, reports claim.

A bank in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, reported the apparent discrepancies in their accounts on July 18, before lodging a police complaint, Assistant Commissioner to the crime investigation department Izany Abdul Ghany revealed.

It comes as the search team prepares to conduct a deep-water search across 60,000 square kilometres of the Indian Ocean.

According to reports, the transactions were made on July 18 when money from the accounts of three passengers was transferred to the account of a fourth passenger before it was removed.

'We are investigating the case as unauthorised access with intent to commit an offence,' Izany said, according to the Mirror.

'We are getting CCTV footage from the bank to identify the suspects involved.'

A source told the New Straits Times: 'We believe the suspect withdrew the money through the fourth victim's account via several automated teller machines (ATMs) in the Klang Valley.'

:oldunsure:
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Fixed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-mh370-theft-probe-as-20000-siphoned-from-passengers-bank-accounts-9670492.html

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Plane may have traveled even further south than originally thought:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/calls-missing-flight-mh370-suggest-new-search-area-article-1.1920048
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Airline officials on the ground attempted to call the plane just after Flight 370 disappeared from radar. Another look into that failed call "suggests to us that the aircraft might have turned south a little earlier than we had previously expected," Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said.
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I'm confused as to how a failed call can tell you any of that. I would think that by the definition of a failed call, the call never reached the plane...How can a failed call that never reached the plane tell you where the plane is?

At what point do they just go, "Hey, honestly, we don't have any clue. We're just guessing."

 
Fat Nick said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Plane may have traveled even further south than originally thought:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/calls-missing-flight-mh370-suggest-new-search-area-article-1.1920048
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Airline officials on the ground attempted to call the plane just after Flight 370 disappeared from radar. Another look into that failed call "suggests to us that the aircraft might have turned south a little earlier than we had previously expected," Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said.
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I'm confused as to how a failed call can tell you any of that. I would think that by the definition of a failed call, the call never reached the plane...How can a failed call that never reached the plane tell you where the plane is?

At what point do they just go, "Hey, honestly, we don't have any clue. We're just guessing."
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I don't get it either to be honest... Maybe they turned south sooner and the call was asking "where the #### are you going?"

They have no clue, this will go down as one of the greatest unsolved aviation mysteries of all time.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Fat Nick said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Plane may have traveled even further south than originally thought:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/calls-missing-flight-mh370-suggest-new-search-area-article-1.1920048
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Airline officials on the ground attempted to call the plane just after Flight 370 disappeared from radar. Another look into that failed call "suggests to us that the aircraft might have turned south a little earlier than we had previously expected," Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said.
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I'm confused as to how a failed call can tell you any of that. I would think that by the definition of a failed call, the call never reached the plane...How can a failed call that never reached the plane tell you where the plane is?

At what point do they just go, "Hey, honestly, we don't have any clue. We're just guessing."
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I don't get it either to be honest... Maybe they turned south sooner and the call was asking "where the #### are you going?"

They have no clue, this will go down as one of the greatest unsolved aviation mysteries of all time.
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I read it that are rejiggering where they thought the plane turned South- based on that call. that puts the end of the plane's flight radius further south as well. wala. and boobs.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I don't get it either to be honest... Maybe they turned south sooner and the call was asking "where the #### are you going?"
They have no clue, this will go down as one of the greatest unsolved aviation mysteries of all time.
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I can envision them finding this thing buried under the Antarctic ice in like 2127 and considering it a miraculous discovery of the way things used to be...

 
Fat Nick said:
fantasycurse42 said:
I don't get it either to be honest... Maybe they turned south sooner and the call was asking "where the #### are you going?"
They have no clue, this will go down as one of the greatest unsolved aviation mysteries of all time.
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I can envision them finding this thing buried under the Antarctic ice in like 2127 and considering it a miraculous discovery of the way things used to be...
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"Hey Elihu, come check this out. Look how much space they had to recline."

 
So uhh... are we still 100% sure it wasn't stolen?

I still make the rounds of conservative news and Drudge's headline about 11 missing commerical jets in Libya sparked my thinking. I hadn't heard of the missing jets until now, but it was first reported (and semi-discredited) in early August. Janes' assessment was that it likely didn't happen, but that determination was made on the basis of a lot of assumptions boiling down to "someone would have noticed/stopped them". However, after that Janes article came out there were many reports of Mediterranean Air Forces (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Mauritania, Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and Malta) participating in US Navy led drills to intercept and possibly shoot down terrorist flown civilian aircraft.

*Tinfoil hat off*

 
mcintyre1 said:
So uhh... are we still 100% sure it wasn't stolen?

I still make the rounds of conservative news and Drudge's headline about 11 missing commerical jets in Libya sparked my thinking. I hadn't heard of the missing jets until now, but it was first reported (and semi-discredited) in early August. Janes' assessment was that it likely didn't happen, but that determination was made on the basis of a lot of assumptions boiling down to "someone would have noticed/stopped them". However, after that Janes article came out there were many reports of Mediterranean Air Forces (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Mauritania, Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and Malta) participating in US Navy led drills to intercept and possibly shoot down terrorist flown civilian aircraft.

*Tinfoil hat off*
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So it flew to Libya and THEN got stolen?

 
El Floppo said:
mcintyre1 said:
So uhh... are we still 100% sure it wasn't stolen?

I still make the rounds of conservative news and Drudge's headline about 11 missing commerical jets in Libya sparked my thinking. I hadn't heard of the missing jets until now, but it was first reported (and semi-discredited) in early August. Janes' assessment was that it likely didn't happen, but that determination was made on the basis of a lot of assumptions boiling down to "someone would have noticed/stopped them". However, after that Janes article came out there were many reports of Mediterranean Air Forces (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Mauritania, Spain, France, Portugal, Italy and Malta) participating in US Navy led drills to intercept and possibly shoot down terrorist flown civilian aircraft.

*Tinfoil hat off*
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So it flew to Libya and THEN got stolen?
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If the Tinfoil hattery is to be taken seriously, it'd be that they took MH370 as a dry run/proof of concept of whatever it is they're aiming to do (nuke on a plane, dirty bomb, etc.) and once it proved workable they used the confusion in Libya to acquire more planes. Maybe they didn't realize that MH370 had as much tracking/satellite communication technology as it does and realized they couldn't fly it again without disabling tons of systems that they don't have the technical capability to change. The planes supposedly taken in Libya were a mix of smaller charter jets and a couple older Airbus models.

 
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