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fred_1_15301 said:
Did they just figure out that the captain planned a simulated run into the Indian ocean?  I would think that information should have been captured a long time ago (like the German pilot). 
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I've seen this claim refuted in several places, but also confirmed in others.  I think, in general, as long as Malaysia is involved, there will be tons of misinformation on this whole thing. 

 
Fat Nick said:
I think, in general, as long as Malaysia is involved, there will be tons of misinformation on this whole thing. 
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That's an interesting take.

I've not followed this much since around summer 2014. Is there kind of an unspoken idea among crash researchers and plane crash "buffs" (for lack of a better word) that if this had been an airliner from a Western country -- or from Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. -- that the worldwide public would know A LOT more about what happened? Or maybe even that the plane's wreckage would've been found relatively quickly (< 6 months).

 
Sinn Fein said:
I really hope it crashed into the ocean, rather than glided to a stop.  I know dead is dead, but something about the instantaneous death v. a slow death by drowning couple with a potential false hope of rescue just makes the later seem so much worse.
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I get what you are saying. But I think I'd prefer these lives were lost due to an accident rather than being stolen by one insane individual.

 
Sad business though. Too bad they couldn't have found something more definitive in the how/why. even though based on the little wreckage that washed up I think it was definitive that it went down. 

Can't believe it's been three years.

 
Only thing surprising to me was that the pilot was zigzagging between countries.

Feel terrible for families involved. Depressurized cabin must be terrible way to go

 
JaxBill said:
Only thing surprising to me was that the pilot was zigzagging between countries.

Feel terrible for families involved. Depressurized cabin must be terrible way to go
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How do they know he did this?  There are some big dots here and I don't see how they connect. 

I mean what about the co pilot?  He kill the guy?  Wouldn't eperb be squawking with a depressed cabin?  They picked up the squawk from that air france flight in middle of the Atlantic. 

I mean this was always the most explainable narrative but doesn't mean it's right. 

 
culdeus said:
How do they know he did this?  There are some big dots here and I don't see how they connect. 

I mean what about the co pilot?  He kill the guy?  Wouldn't eperb be squawking with a depressed cabin?  They picked up the squawk from that air france flight in middle of the Atlantic. 

I mean this was always the most explainable narrative but doesn't mean it's right. 
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More details

Boeing 777 pilot and instructor Simon Hardy reconstructed the flight plan based on military radar, and says Captain Shah flew along the border of Malaysia and Thailand, crossing in and out of each country's airspace to avoid detection.

"It did the job," Hardy said, "because we know, as a fact, that the military did not come and intercept the aircraft."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-crash-deliberate-panel-of-aviation-experts/

 
badmojo1006 said:
Long but great article about MH370. Likely scenario, pilot suicide
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Whoa.  I found these parts interesting....

An electrical engineer in Boulder, Colorado, named Mike Exner, who is a prominent member of the Independent Group, has studied the radar data extensively. He believes that during the turn, the airplane climbed up to 40,000 feet, which was close to its limit. During the maneuver the passengers would have experienced some g‑forces—that feeling of being suddenly pressed back into the seat. Exner believes the reason for the climb was to accelerate the effects of depressurizing the airplane, causing the rapid incapacitation and death of everyone in the cabin.
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The cockpit, by contrast, was equipped with four pressurized-oxygen masks linked to hours of supply. Whoever depressurized the airplane would have simply had to slap one on. 
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eoMMan said:
Whoa.  I found these parts interesting....
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there was that crash in Greece in the last decade- the plane had depressurized, incapacitating/killing everybody on board... and it flew into a mountain. IIRC, fighter jets were dispatched and saw everybody on board- f-ing horrifying, the whole thing.

 
Except for the headlines back when it happened, I haven't followed this story at all; plane crashes aren't inherently interesting to me. But that Atlantic piece was top notch work and sucked me totally into the narrative. Having said that:

1. Is it normal for there to be a communications "dead spot" like where Kuala Lumpur handed the plane off to the Vietnamese?

3. Was that also normal for the entire Malaysian defense and air traffic communities to ignore the flight when it first turned back over Malaysian territory?

 
El Floppo said:
there was that crash in Greece in the last decade- the plane had depressurized, incapacitating/killing everybody on board... and it flew into a mountain. IIRC, fighter jets were dispatched and saw everybody on board- f-ing horrifying, the whole thing.
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those fighter pilots who were dispatched when Payne Stewart's plane did the same thing.... awful

 
roadkill1292 said:
Except for the headlines back when it happened, I haven't followed this story at all; plane crashes aren't inherently interesting to me. But that Atlantic piece was top notch work and sucked me totally into the narrative. Having said that:

1. Is it normal for there to be a communications "dead spot" like where Kuala Lumpur handed the plane off to the Vietnamese?

3. Was that also normal for the entire Malaysian defense and air traffic communities to ignore the flight when it first turned back over Malaysian territory?
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The article did a great job highlighting the incompetence and apathy of the Malaysian government from the first minute the plane's transponder went silent through the end of the investigations years later.

There's a good Real Life Lore YouTube video on MH370 done earlier this year.  Covers a lot of the same ground in about 15 minutes.

 
Misfit said:
Damn, when I read about how he may have depressurized the airplane, all I could think about for the rest of the article was him purposefully killing everyone on board and flying for hours with a plane full of dead bodies strapped into their seats.  The image is stomach-churning.  
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The part that makes the least sense to me is if you're suicidal, dying in a  depressurized cockpit sounds a lot more peaceful than slamming into the ocean at a high rate of speed

The whole scene is tragic 

 
What is the evidence that the plane broke up at altitude and simply didn't run out of gas and spiral out of the sky?

Is there some button you can hit to depressurize the cabin?  Don't the masks come down?

 
culdeus said:
What is the evidence that the plane broke up at altitude and simply didn't run out of gas and spiral out of the sky?

Is there some button you can hit to depressurize the cabin?  Don't the masks come down?
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In summary the masks in the cabin are basically useless at the high altitude the pilot flew the plane at.  The passengers would have been dead in minutes. 

"None of those cabin masks was intended for more than about 15 minutes of use during emergency descents to altitudes below 13,000 feet; they would have been of no value at all cruising at 40,000 feet. The cabin occupants would have become incapacitated within a couple of minutes, lost consciousness, and gently died without any choking or gasping for air. The scene would have been dimly lit by the emergency lights, with the dead belted into their seats, their faces nestled in the worthless oxygen masks dangling on tubes from the ceiling."

 
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Misfit said:
Damn, when I read about how he may have depressurized the airplane, all I could think about for the rest of the article was him purposefully killing everyone on board and flying for hours with a plane full of dead bodies strapped into their seats.  The image is stomach-churning.  
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Why not just shoot yourself?  I don't understand murdering innocent people before you kill yourself.  I mean, I get being depressed and wanting to end it all.  But to why become a mass murderer in the process?

 
...so now having a secure cockpit thanks to 9/11 has new perils - when the guy INSIDE is off in the head, there's very little those on board can do about it.  Very sad.  While I know this is an isolated instance, you can't help but think some of those poor souls on board knew what was happening, or at least that something was happening.

 
Fat Nick said:
...so now having a secure cockpit thanks to 9/11 has new perils - when the guy INSIDE is off in the head, there's very little those on board can do about it.  Very sad.  While I know this is an isolated instance, you can't help but think some of those poor souls on board knew what was happening, or at least that something was happening.
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Except that you have a co-pilot in the cockpit? I'm wondering what happened there.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Long but great article about MH370. Likely scenario, pilot suicide
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I stumbled upon this article and I was going to create a thread about it because I thought it was worthy of discussion, I'm glad it was already posted.  I thought it was an incredibly interesting, well written, well researched article and to be quite honest, not what I was expecting, I mean the level of information and detail contained within it, really well done.

I have so many takeaways from it, I'm not even certain where to begin from the incompetence and corruption of the Malaysian government, defense, air traffic control, etc. to the horribly evil acts of that pilot, it was all pretty sobering and eye opening.  Another thing I was struck by was the selfless pursuit of the truth by Blaine Gibson.  I'm still in shock to read of everything that poor man had to (and still has to) endure, it's unimaginable that someone lending their time and talent would have to suffer through so much torment just for the sake of finding or revealing the truth about what actually happened to that flight.

 
Fat Nick said:
...so now having a secure cockpit thanks to 9/11 has new perils - when the guy INSIDE is off in the head, there's very little those on board can do about it.  Very sad.  While I know this is an isolated instance, you can't help but think some of those poor souls on board knew what was happening, or at least that something was happening.
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not so isolated... but definitely rare. if true, this guy and the others who have done this have to be considered among the worst mass-murderers of all time.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Could have waited until the Co-Pilot want tothe bathroom
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I believe another pilot interviewed for the story said that part was easy. Captain would just order Jr. Officer to "go check on something" in another part of the plane and that would be a routine order routinely obeyed.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Except for the headlines back when it happened, I haven't followed this story at all; plane crashes aren't inherently interesting to me. But that Atlantic piece was top notch work and sucked me totally into the narrative. Having said that:

1. Is it normal for there to be a communications "dead spot" like where Kuala Lumpur handed the plane off to the Vietnamese?

3. Was that also normal for the entire Malaysian defense and air traffic communities to ignore the flight when it first turned back over Malaysian territory?
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And the greater mystery, what happened to the missing 2?

 
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