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[LawFitz]

Okay, so I can buy the argument for V Dub as offensive ROY over Mo Drew given the nature of the QB position and his dramatic effect on the Titans W/L column, but this morning Jaworski (among others) whom I respect as solid analysts, pegged Reggie as the OROY. WTF???

Look at the stats. Mo had 16 TDs to Reg's 8. Mo had almost 2400 all purpose yards. And Mo avg'd 5.7 YPC to Reg's 3.6, not to mention averaging more yards per reception as well.

I love Reggie Bush as a player and think he will be a star in this league for years to come, but c'mon, he was flat outplayed by MJD this year and does not deserve this award.

Mo Drew -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Career 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Career 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 JAC 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Career 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Reggie B -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Career 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Career 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 NOR 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

Career 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

 

[Michael Brown]

Okay, so I can buy the argument for V Dub as offensive ROY over Mo Drew given the nature of the QB position and his dramatic effect on the Titans W/L column, but this morning Jaworski (among others) whom I respect as solid analysts, pegged Reggie as the OROY. WTF???

Look at the stats. Mo had 16 TDs to Reg's 8. Mo had almost 2400 all purpose yards. And Mo avg'd 5.7 YPC to Reg's 3.6, not to mention averaging more yards per reception as well.

I love Reggie Bush as a player and think he will be a star in this league for years to come, but c'mon, he was flat outplayed by MJD this year and does not deserve this award.

Mo Drew -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Career 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Career 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 JAC 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Career 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Reggie B -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Career 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Career 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 NOR 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

Career 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

Agreed. Except for the V-Dub part. Unless I'm missing something, his last name is Young.

 

[bigupsetter]

I CANT BELEIVE BUSHI IS GETTING ROOKIE OF YEAR TALK WITH VYOUNG AND MJD NAME ISNT MENTIONED. TOTAL JOKE, HE WAS FAR SUPERIOR TO BUSH

 

[-jb-]

Dorf on Football was flat out fantastic this year. Bush should definitely not get it over him.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.

Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4

Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8

New Orleans 2005 = 3-13

New Orleans 2006 = 10-6

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

 

[LawFitz]

Agreed. Except for the V-Dub part. Unless I'm missing something, his last name is Young.

Whoops, not sure how I came up with that, other than I used to drive a Volkswagon. VY is definitely what I meant. Thx for pointing that out.

 

[LHUCKS]

MY OROY rankings

1. MJD

2. Reggie Bush

3. VY

 

[LawFitz]

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

You really think so? I don't.And stats can be overrated, but not when you have almost 1500 yds from scrimmage (forget about return yards if you want) and 16 TDs. Those are very good numbers for a full time vet, yet less a part time rook.I can appreciate the devil's advocate, but c'mon dude are you really saying you think Bush had the better rookie year?

 

[BigJim®]

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Really? I give Bush very little credit toward the New Orleans W/L record (giving most of it to Brees), while I give MJD quite a bit of credit for the 8 wins the Jags achieved in an otherwise down year. Leaving special teams out of the equation, where would the Jags have finished without MJD's 1400 yards/15 TDs? I'd say nowhere near 500.

 

[EdwardCat]

Agreed. Except for the V-Dub part. Unless I'm missing something, his last name is Young.

Whoops, not sure how I came up with that, other than I used to drive a Volkswagon. VY is definitely what I meant. Thx for pointing that out.

Just use his name to avoid confusion for everyone. It gets tiring to try and decipher what player everyone means.

 

[-OZ-]

MY OROY rankings1. MJD2. Reggie Bush3. VY

Well, at least you have VY at #3 above Leinart. A step in the right direction for you.

 

[CalBear]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8New Orleans 2005 = 3-13New Orleans 2006 = 10-6While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

Colston is at least as much responsible for NO's success as Bush is. In the second half of the season, Bush did redeem what had been a quite disappointing year up until then, but if he hadn't been as hyped as he was coming into the league, he wouldn't even be mentioned as a top candidate. It's not even clear that he deserves it over Colston, let alone Drew or Young.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

You really think so? I don't.And stats can be overrated, but not when you have almost 1500 yds from scrimmage (forget about return yards if you want) and 16 TDs. Those are very good numbers for a full time vet, yet less a part time rook.I can appreciate the devil's advocate, but c'mon dude are you really saying you think Bush had the better rookie year?

I agree that MJD had an OUTSTANDING season, and it looks like he'll be a great player for many years, but i don't believe he had as much of a positive affect on his team overall as Reggie Bush did.MJD being rookie of the year wouldn't be a bad choice, but i can't understand those who think Reggie winning it would be a travesty. Reggie also had a great year and was a big reason they went from 3 wins to 10.Young/MJD/Bush are all good picks, it's a toss-up this year.

 

[Limp Ditka]

MY OROY rankings1. MJD2. Reggie Bush3. VY

Well, at least you have VY at #3 above Leinart. A step in the right direction for you.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Colston is at least as much responsible for NO's success as Bush is. In the second half of the season, Bush did redeem what had been a quite disappointing year up until then, but if he hadn't been as hyped as he was coming into the league, he wouldn't even be mentioned as a top candidate. It's not even clear that he deserves it over Colston, let alone Drew or Young.

When Colston was out the NO offense didn't miss a beat, Henderson and Copper picked up the slack rather nicely. That isn't to say Colston isn't a solid player, but i really don't think he was near as instrumental in the NO turnaround as Bush was.I'm not saying it's clear that Bush deserves it, all i'm saying is that he deserves as much consideration as any other rookie. Many seem to think Bush winning it would be ridiculous, which doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[LawFitz]

Many seem to think Bush winning it would be ridiculous, which doesn't make much sense to me.

5.7 YPC vs. 3.616 TDs vs. 8If Bush wins the award it would be ridiculous. No question at all in my mind at least.

 

[bigupsetter]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8New Orleans 2005 = 3-13New Orleans 2006 = 10-6While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

SO WRONG, JVILLE ISNT 8-8 WITHOUT MDJ, SAINTS WERE STILL A PLAYOFF TEAM SANS BUSH. BUSH ISNT EVEN THE BEST OFFENSIVE ROOKIE ON HIS OWN TEAM.ON HIS OWN TEAM!!!!!IF MOJO GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TOUCHES AS BUSH, THE KID WOULD HAVE RAN AWAY WITH ROY. HIS NUMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING LIKE THISRUSHING 1600 YDS RECEIVING 800, DO THE MATH MY FREINDS

 

[boofatty]

Colston is at least as much responsible for NO's success as Bush is. In the second half of the season, Bush did redeem what had been a quite disappointing year up until then, but if he hadn't been as hyped as he was coming into the league, he wouldn't even be mentioned as a top candidate. It's not even clear that he deserves it over Colston, let alone Drew or Young.

When Colston was out the NO offense didn't miss a beat, Henderson and Copper picked up the slack rather nicely. That isn't to say Colston isn't a solid player, but i really don't think he was near as instrumental in the NO turnaround as Bush was.I'm not saying it's clear that Bush deserves it, all i'm saying is that he deserves as much consideration as any other rookie. Many seem to think Bush winning it would be ridiculous, which doesn't make much sense to me.

I think the great WR play this year is primarily due to the outstanding year that Brees had. That could be expanded to the overall great offensive play of NO should be mostly attributed to Brees. Bush wasn't much of a factor through the first half of the season; MJD has been hitting home runs all season.I think this is a two horse race between VY and MJD, with the edge going to VY. Name some other rookie QBs that have done this well in recent history. There's always some rookie RBs that perform well.ETA: I'm a dynasty MJD owner and redraft owner - he helped me win both leagues this year.

 

[Slinger]

When considering MJD for the award please take the fact that he's really short out of the equation. Everyone's rooting for him moreso for this season and I don't think that should be in consideration when talking about the OROY.

I wasn't a fan of Vince Young. I am now. He's my OROY. The Titans went from very bad to very good the moment he stepped in. No other rookie had that effect on his team.

 

[V1LL]

Bush shouldn't even be ROY for his own team let alone the whole league.

 

[jurb26]

Colston is at least as much responsible for NO's success as Bush is. In the second half of the season, Bush did redeem what had been a quite disappointing year up until then, but if he hadn't been as hyped as he was coming into the league, he wouldn't even be mentioned as a top candidate. It's not even clear that he deserves it over Colston, let alone Drew or Young.

When Colston was out the NO offense didn't miss a beat, Henderson and Copper picked up the slack rather nicely. That isn't to say Colston isn't a solid player, but i really don't think he was near as instrumental in the NO turnaround as Bush was.I'm not saying it's clear that Bush deserves it, all i'm saying is that he deserves as much consideration as any other rookie. Many seem to think Bush winning it would be ridiculous, which doesn't make much sense to me.

This is extremely shortsighted and I have been as in love with Bush as anyone around here for years. What about Brees? What about McAllister's return? What about Browns change of position? What about the new head coach? Bush is a great player and did have an impact. There were a slew of changes in NO this year to make them the turn around team of the season.

 

[Bevo]

MY OROY rankings1. MJD2. Reggie Bush3. VY

Well, at least you have VY at #3 above Leinart. A step in the right direction for you.

Kind of makes you wonder what he does think of VY now. IIRC, he posted recently that Leinart had a "spectacular" rookie year and here he has VY rated above Leinart. What is the next superlative above "spectacular"?

 

[shakeybarn]

VY is ten times more marketable than MJD... and yes that has a bit to do with it. Vick really hasn't proven himself a winner, despite numerous top WR picks... yet somehow is always on primetime, pro bowls, and mentions.

 

[TME]

MJD had a great season, but getting to play against Indy's defense twice is almost an unfair advantage to all the other candidates statistically speaking.

 

[PatsWillWin]

JAWS is really big on film, not just looking at Stats on NFL.com. If you watched a lot of Saints games, or at least watched Jaws when he breaks down certain Saints plays, you can see how much the defense has to respect him and how much that opens up things for the rest of the offense. This is something that cannot be measured in statistics and is a huge bonus for Bush that MJD just doesn't have.

 

[LHUCKS]

MY OROY rankings1. MJD2. Reggie Bush3. VY

Well, at least you have VY at #3 above Leinart. A step in the right direction for you.

Kind of makes you wonder what he does think of VY now. IIRC, he posted recently that Leinart had a "spectacular" rookie year and here he has VY rated above Leinart. What is the next superlative above "spectacular"?

In terms of long term prognosis I'd take Leinart's rookie year over VY's all night long. :lionelrichie:

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I predicted MJD would be a great change of pace guy, but really doubted he would even be a solid committee back. Didn't think he could perform as "the man" if defenses keyed on him. At least for this year I could not have been more wrong.

So far, the guy has been NOTHING but impressive. He had a HUGE impact on his team, I don't see how you could really doubt that without an agenda. He turned games around single-handedly.

Bush, who I love, and think will be a star, wasn't even CLOSE to MJD for rookie of the year. It will be a travesty if Bush steals ROY based on draft position and hype.

You could could make a case for Young because of his situation and because MJD did share time. I wouldn't vote for Young, but I can see the argument. I can see no valid argument for Bush at the same position and also sharing time.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Okay, so I can buy the argument for V Dub as offensive ROY over Mo Drew given the nature of the QB position and his dramatic effect on the Titans W/L column, but this morning Jaworski (among others) whom I respect as solid analysts, pegged Reggie as the OROY. WTF???

Look at the stats. Mo had 16 TDs to Reg's 8. Mo had almost 2400 all purpose yards. And Mo avg'd 5.7 YPC to Reg's 3.6, not to mention averaging more yards per reception as well.

I love Reggie Bush as a player and think he will be a star in this league for years to come, but c'mon, he was flat outplayed by MJD this year and does not deserve this award.

Mo Drew -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Career 16 166 941 5.7 74 13 46 1 1

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 JAC 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Career 16 46 436 9.5 51 2 16 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 JAC 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Career 14 1 13 0 0 13 31 860 1 0 93

Reggie B -

Rushing Stats

YEAR TEAM G ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Career 16 155 565 3.6 18 6 27 2 2

Receiving Stats

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST

2006 NOR 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Career 16 88 742 8.4 74 2 32 0 0

Return Stats

YEAR TEAM G PR YDS TD FC LNG KR YDS TD FC LNG

2006 NOR 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

Career 14 28 216 1 2 65 0 0 0 0 0

I have to agree with this post. I expected VY to win but for MJD to be a much closer 2nd. I would also have expected Addai to fair better.

 

[boofatty]

MJD had a great season, but getting to play against Indy's defense twice is almost an unfair advantage to all the other candidates statistically speaking.

VY had the same advantage.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

MJD had a great season, but getting to play against Indy's defense twice is almost an unfair advantage to all the other candidates statistically speaking.

The Jags and Titans are in the same division as the Colts.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Not to hijack the thread, but this was an MJD play so I'll throw it out here:

Most of you saw the Week 16 TD run by Drew vs NE in which he was knocked down to the ground by his own man, quickly got up and scampered ~ 50 yards into the end zone for a TD. Replay reviewed the play and affirmed a TD call as Drew was knocked down by his own man.

Personally, I saw the play a bit differently. While no NE defender directly made contact with Drew to force him to the ground, a NE defensive tackle penetrated the line and in doing so the NE defender's contact with a Jaguar offensive lineman pushed the Jaguar blocker into the designed hole such that the pushed back blocker knocked Drew down. Thus, I saw Drew down on the ground as a direct result of a hit by the NE defender, albeit throught the conduit of a Jaguar offensive lineman. In watching this live, I extropolated from the "being blocked into the kicker rule" (which negates an otherwise roughing the punter call) and intuited that there was likely a rule that deemed Drew down because a Pat defender essentially made a hit on a Jag blocker that blew up the play. I never heard this angle addressed at all and was wondering if anyone has any insight on this type of ruling. I recognize that it would be a "judgement call" (as is "being blocked into the punter") by the refs.

 

[jurb26]

Not to hijack the thread, but this was an MJD play so I'll throw it out here:Most of you saw the Week 16 TD run by Drew vs NE in which he was knocked down to the ground by his own man, quickly got up and scampered ~ 50 yards into the end zone for a TD. Replay reviewed the play and affirmed a TD call as Drew was knocked down by his own man.Personally, I saw the play a bit differently. While no NE defender directly made contact with Drew to force him to the ground, a NE defensive tackle penetrated the line and in doing so the NE defender's contact with a Jaguar offensive lineman pushed the Jaguar blocker into the designed hole such that the pushed back blocker knocked Drew down. Thus, I saw Drew down on the ground as a direct result of a hit by the NE defender, albeit throught the conduit of a Jaguar offensive lineman. In watching this live, I extropolated from the "being blocked into the kicker rule" (which negates an otherwise roughing the punter call) and intuited that there was likely a rule that deemed Drew down because a Pat defender essentially made a hit on a Jag blocker that blew up the play. I never heard this angle addressed at all and was wondering if anyone has any insight on this type of ruling. I recognize that it would be a "judgement call" (as is "being blocked into the punter") by the refs.

It doesn't matter in the least why he ran into his own man. If he was not contacted by a NE player he is not down. The rule really is that simple.

 

[Marc Levin]

Not to hijack the thread, but this was an MJD play so I'll throw it out here:Most of you saw the Week 16 TD run by Drew vs NE in which he was knocked down to the ground by his own man, quickly got up and scampered ~ 50 yards into the end zone for a TD. Replay reviewed the play and affirmed a TD call as Drew was knocked down by his own man.Personally, I saw the play a bit differently. While no NE defender directly made contact with Drew to force him to the ground, a NE defensive tackle penetrated the line and in doing so the NE defender's contact with a Jaguar offensive lineman pushed the Jaguar blocker into the designed hole such that the pushed back blocker knocked Drew down. Thus, I saw Drew down on the ground as a direct result of a hit by the NE defender, albeit throught the conduit of a Jaguar offensive lineman. In watching this live, I extropolated from the "being blocked into the kicker rule" (which negates an otherwise roughing the punter call) and intuited that there was likely a rule that deemed Drew down because a Pat defender essentially made a hit on a Jag blocker that blew up the play. I never heard this angle addressed at all and was wondering if anyone has any insight on this type of ruling. I recognize that it would be a "judgement call" (as is "being blocked into the punter") by the refs.

It doesn't matter in the least why he ran into his own man. If he was not contacted by a NE player he is not down. The rule really is that simple.

It really is that simple.Why is it fair that a defender who falls down from nothing except a whiff of smoke is down if a defensive player touches him? It is the clearest thing in the world - was he touched or wasn't he? Football abhors "judgment calls." The running into the kicker rule and roughing the passer are rules designed to protect a player who is an exposed and vulnerable position - down by contact is not.M J-D was not touched by a defender - no real reason to discuss that play any further.

 

[LHUCKS]

Bottom Line

MJD >> VY

 

[Sinrman]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.

Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4

Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8

New Orleans 2005 = 3-13

New Orleans 2006 = 10-6

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

Not a chance. They'd have been lucky to win 5 without MJD. He is head-and-shoulders above everyone this year. Young is the only one even close...

 

[PatsWillWin]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.

Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4

Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8

New Orleans 2005 = 3-13

New Orleans 2006 = 10-6

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

Not a chance. They'd have been lucky to win 5 without MJD. He is head-and-shoulders above everyone this year. Young is the only one even close...

LoL. You think MJD is worth 7 wins?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.

Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4

Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8

New Orleans 2005 = 3-13

New Orleans 2006 = 10-6

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

Not a chance. They'd have been lucky to win 5 without MJD. He is head-and-shoulders above everyone this year. Young is the only one even close...

LoL. You think MJD is worth 7 wins?

Tennessee w/out Young is a 3 win team....maybe.

 

[Borat]

The real OROY is Marcus McNeil of the Chargers.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Stats are over-rated, especially if your throwing in return yardage.

Jacksonville 2005 = 12-4

Jacksonville 2006 = 8-8

New Orleans 2005 = 3-13

New Orleans 2006 = 10-6

While MJD may have thrown up slightly better numbers, Bush had a more positive effect on his teams win column.

Bush wasn't the only reason for the turnaround, Brees was arguably more important, but NO without Bush is lucky to make the playoffs.

Jacksonville without MJD is still an 8-8 team.

Not a chance. They'd have been lucky to win 5 without MJD. He is head-and-shoulders above everyone this year. Young is the only one even close...

I think that's a little huge. I definitly agree Jax isn't an 8-8 team without him, but a 5-11 team without him?

 

[CalBear]

Not a chance. They'd have been lucky to win 5 without MJD. He is head-and-shoulders above everyone this year. Young is the only one even close...

Check out the Vince Young ROY thread. I went back and looked at game logs from this year, and with the exception of the Indianapolis game, Drew contributed practically nothing to Jacksonville's wins this year. His stats came in losses and garbage time.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Colston is at least as much responsible for NO's success as Bush is. In the second half of the season, Bush did redeem what had been a quite disappointing year up until then, but if he hadn't been as hyped as he was coming into the league, he wouldn't even be mentioned as a top candidate. It's not even clear that he deserves it over Colston, let alone Drew or Young.

When Colston was out the NO offense didn't miss a beat, Henderson and Copper picked up the slack rather nicely. That isn't to say Colston isn't a solid player, but i really don't think he was near as instrumental in the NO turnaround as Bush was.I'm not saying it's clear that Bush deserves it, all i'm saying is that he deserves as much consideration as any other rookie. Many seem to think Bush winning it would be ridiculous, which doesn't make much sense to me.

This is extremely shortsighted and I have been as in love with Bush as anyone around here for years. What about Brees? What about McAllister's return? What about Browns change of position? What about the new head coach? Bush is a great player and did have an impact. There were a slew of changes in NO this year to make them the turn around team of the season.

Brees was by far the biggest impact. You could have MJD AND Bush on that team with Brooks/Culpepper and they don't even make the playoffs.