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MJD to Holdout (1 Viewer)
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
MJD is a month younger and a mile better than Jennings. The odds that Jennings plays longer than Jones-Drew are pretty low. Jennings, Redman, Starks, T Choice, etc etc etc... every year there's are fairly untalented backups who get overbought because they have 'opportunity'. But in the NFL you have to be really good to take advantage of that for more than a few games. There's almost always someone fairly talented hanging around to take advantage of the same opportunity. Every now and then you get a Ryan Grant or Chester Taylor who are able to hang onto the job for a year or two, but they're the exceptions.Good point. I suppose that the even greater risk with Mjd is that he just sucks or is very slow out of the gate bc he doesn't know the new offense that has been installed. I wonder if he, like Mike Wallace, had the Playbook all offseason. The question is how long will it take him to get into football shape and learn the offense. 3 weeks? 5? And I suppose their is a heightened risk for injury during that time but no more than with trich
sspunisher
Footballguy
Loving this news after noticing that Jennings was getting spelled by Owens on 3rd downs.
The holdout injury concerns will only be valid if they rush MJD back in. I'm guessing that won't be a problem, Mularkey comes across as a guy that would start him with the 2s...or even the scout team. Jennings was already named the Week 1 starter and I'm guessing that sticks.
The FF strategy for anyone who drafted MJD was always to handcuff w/ Jennings, and get two other solid options at RB so you can let things shake out for a nice 2nd half run.
The holdout injury concerns will only be valid if they rush MJD back in. I'm guessing that won't be a problem, Mularkey comes across as a guy that would start him with the 2s...or even the scout team. Jennings was already named the Week 1 starter and I'm guessing that sticks.
The FF strategy for anyone who drafted MJD was always to handcuff w/ Jennings, and get two other solid options at RB so you can let things shake out for a nice 2nd half run.
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Texican
Footballguy
Maurice Jones-Drew ended his holdout and reported to Jaguars camp on Sunday.
The holdout lasted 38 days. As a result, Jones-Drew could be slapped with a $1.2 million fine from the team, according to the AP's Mark Long. With players set to start receiving their paychecks this week, Jones-Drew's holdout never figured to last past the first day or so in September. It's going to take the league's 2011 leading rusher a few weeks to get up to game speed, so Rashad Jennings figures to handle the bulk of the workload in the meantime. Still, it won't be long before he's back to 20 or so touches each game. He's back on the board as a back-end RB1 in fantasy drafts.
The holdout lasted 38 days. As a result, Jones-Drew could be slapped with a $1.2 million fine from the team, according to the AP's Mark Long. With players set to start receiving their paychecks this week, Jones-Drew's holdout never figured to last past the first day or so in September. It's going to take the league's 2011 leading rusher a few weeks to get up to game speed, so Rashad Jennings figures to handle the bulk of the workload in the meantime. Still, it won't be long before he's back to 20 or so touches each game. He's back on the board as a back-end RB1 in fantasy drafts.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Oh, I think it's much higher, I'd say about 7 or 8. I wouldn't call you crazy if you wanted to go as high as 4.The holdout gives bad juju, but on paper, he's a healthy elite RB that should only miss one game.
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timschochet
Footballguy
It seems as if these guys always show up in the end. Who was the last star NFL player who actually allowed his holdout to last into the regular season? I don't remember.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Vincent Jackson last year.
timschochet
Footballguy
Was he a star?
Dez
Footballguy
It wasn't last year it was the year before but he sure got paid like a star this year.Also everyone was pretty happy when Chris Johnson finally signed and his 1st half of the season tanked several teams because of his hold out.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
MJD basically missed camp and preseason last year and did okay. He had 1 carry for 5 yards in the 2011 preseason. This year he is clearly further behind but if he is in shape it should be a quick recovery.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Maybe the Jags trade him anyways.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Maybe. I doubt it, but I have heard that he would love playing in a bigger market and that that is what this holdout was really about.
It seems the list of holdouts with down years is a little longer than the list of holdouts with good years.CJohnsonVJaxCrabtreeJRussellI knw there are a lot more just drawing a blank. Was DWill a holdout or just overpaid?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Crabtree?JRussell?Not exactly a one to one comparison for MJD.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pretty subjective isn't it? Is MJD a star? Has he ever even been to the playoffs?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Barry Sanders only attended a few training camps in his whole career if memory serves.
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pittstownkiller
Footballguy
I would imagine as a coach you would not want to have your plays "out there" unless you were 100% sure that he was returning; this goes for Wallace too.
azgroover
Footballguy
Joey Galloway had a long one. But yeah, that was a long long time ago.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
He's a effin RB, not a QB. He starts in week 2.
Hey, maybe this playbook has the RB run right into the defenders?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
You give the Panthers too much credit. People don't need to holdout to get them to pay huge money for unnecessary or injury prone players.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I think you underestimate the complexity of NFL playbooks. Also, he's likely not in game shape.He will not be a fulltime back until week 3 or 4.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Curious to see if it turns out to be good or bad (for his fantasy prospects) that the Jags shocked the world and didn't do the dumb thing that most teams do (especially bad teams).
On the one hand, it would make since that MJD would be highly motivated because he's still in a position of having to earn his big contract. Certainly no chance for "fatcat syndrome" (though I doubt MJD was ever a candidate for that).
On the other hand, he's just been told by a very bad team that he's not really necessary. Even though it's true, I'd have to think the motivation to beat yourself up fighting for that extra yard has to be diminished somewhat.
It sounds like he's not real fired up to be there and he absolutely should be feeling under-appreciated right now. That doesn't sound like a recipe for excellence.
It'd be one thing if he felt like he had something to prove, but he does not.
It's pretty clear the Jags are (wisely) going to use him and abuse him and spit him out as a 29 YO. That's not a very motivating thought, I'm sure, for these next 2 years.
It's the possibility for that type of less focused and motivated mindset that concerns me on him this year. Whether it leads to injury or a mediocre season, who knows?
Maybe I'm just rationalizing why I didn't spend the extra buck on him.....
On the one hand, it would make since that MJD would be highly motivated because he's still in a position of having to earn his big contract. Certainly no chance for "fatcat syndrome" (though I doubt MJD was ever a candidate for that).
On the other hand, he's just been told by a very bad team that he's not really necessary. Even though it's true, I'd have to think the motivation to beat yourself up fighting for that extra yard has to be diminished somewhat.
It sounds like he's not real fired up to be there and he absolutely should be feeling under-appreciated right now. That doesn't sound like a recipe for excellence.
It'd be one thing if he felt like he had something to prove, but he does not.
It's pretty clear the Jags are (wisely) going to use him and abuse him and spit him out as a 29 YO. That's not a very motivating thought, I'm sure, for these next 2 years.
It's the possibility for that type of less focused and motivated mindset that concerns me on him this year. Whether it leads to injury or a mediocre season, who knows?
Maybe I'm just rationalizing why I didn't spend the extra buck on him.....
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I think he does have something to prove. He held out 38 days because he thinks he's paid less than he's worth. If he doesn't play well, he'll just prove the Jags were right.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Maybe. I have no idea what his mindset is, but I could see where might not feel like he has something to prove.He just led the league with a 1600 yard season and has been one of the 3 best RBs in the league over the last 3 years. I think he's already done the proving part.
cdwood
Footballguy
Which do you think is more motivating? Not trying to play your hardest and get that extra yard so that your team has even less desire to renegotiate a new contract when you have 1 year left, or put up another top RB in the league performance so that you atleast have a little leverage when you holdout next off season for a new contract while going into the last year of a contract? If he dogs it for 1-2 years, do you think any other franchise will give him a big bucks deal?
Not if he wants another contract. He has 2 years left on this deal- do you think another team is going to be throwing money at a 29 year old RB coming off of 2 down years if he half-asses it? That doesn't mean the holdout won't hurt his performance, but it won't be due to lack of motivation IMO. He'd basically have to give up on another payday if he did that.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Boy, did he teach the Jags a lesson!!!
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
This has mess written all over it. Mularkey has no history with MJD. If Jennings does well in week 1, what incentive does Mularkey have to give MJD the lion's share of touches in the following games?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I agree. The most logical thing to do and the right thing to do, is go play your hardest to get that payday.Also, I don't think MJD would intentionally tank.I'm talking those under-appreciated feelings and semi-conscious "why am I busting my hump on this crappy team that doesn't appreciate me?" thoughts that might creep in. It's a very normal thing to let those thoughts and feelings lead to a slightly lowered motivation, even if it isn't the most logical thing (humans, largely, aren't logical beings). Every day, in all walks of life, people let feelings of being under-appreciation and/or being in an undesirable situation get in the way of their performance, even though it makes no sense. Tanking it and not having that massive drive are very different things. But not having that sharp focus and huge motivation can lead to some pretty dismal results.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Other than MJD's a better RB, and coaches want to play the guy who gives them the best chance to win?
TonyRockyHorror
Footballguy
Of course he will be giving it a 100%...
Most important indicator>>>He always drafts himself first in his FFL.
Most important indicator>>>He always drafts himself first in his FFL.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Seriously? Mularkey has history preparing to face MJD. He is well aware of who he is and what has proven he can do.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
No he doesn't. Unless you think offensive coordinators prepare for the other team's running back. Which, I concede, you might.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let's see...."I decided to come in for my teammates" has got to be the odds-on favorite.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
"Preparing to face" was a poor choice of words but the idea that there is going to be a mess because Mularkey is a new coach is laughable. MJD will have less carries this year but it will about the same ratio it would have been last season if Jennings wasn't on IR. The fact that they do not have history together do not mean that Mularkey has not seen his work.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
"Get it all out here today...I'm done with all the negaitve after this.......just want to go play football."In response to what he thought was a poor question: "We're not all blessed to have gone to UCLA, I'll help you out"
"I love the way Blaine's progressed. I see you guys are off of his back now. Guess I wasn't lying to you last year huh?" ....Vito says a comment... "Vito(local beat writer) you're such a hater man!" - one of MJD's best parts of the press conference.
He is firing away.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Interesting...
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tau837
Footballguy
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Ignore lhucks. MJD back in late 1st/early second. Will be starting week 2.
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RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Rotoworld
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Anyone get any trade offers for MJD? Trying to gauge his value right now.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I don't know why everybody cares if he is starting, what they should care about is his workload.He's not going to have RB1 workload until week 3 or 4.
