Montee Ball (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Peyton Manning expects the Broncos to count on second-round RB Montee Ball "in a big way."
"He's a rookie, but coach (John) Fox isn't going to bring him along slowly," Manning assured. This has been our belief since the Broncos selected Ball at No. 58, and is why Willis McGahee's roster spot is in grave danger. Ball should be drafted as a high-ceiling RB2, and it wouldn't be surprising if he challenged for RB1 status in the Broncos' lethal offense.

Related: Peyton Manning

Source: USA Today

 

[Buffaloes]

McGahee is skipping OTA's (no reason given). I know it's voluntary but its giving more time for Ball to work with Manning. I agree that his stock will rise once camp begins and people start to realize that he will more than likely be the starter and will be a solid pickup in drafts.

I heard it's because he is still rehabbing from his injury. But McGahee isn't helping his case for not being cut by not being around the team during the OTAs.

Edited to add: Moreno isn't around either. They both are giving the Broncos just another reason to move on without them.

Moreno is at the facility for OTAs. He just hasn't been cleared to participate. McGahee has been cleared and he isn't at Dove Valley. I think McGahee is going to be cut assuming Ball, Moreno, and Hillman all make it through training camp uninjured. I think that's been the plan since they drafted Ball.

RE: Moreno at yesterday's OTA session

...he grabbed an interception in Thursday's session that sent Robert Ayers and Knowshon Moreno sprinting over to congratulate him.

 

[Adam Harstad]

With Julius Thomas impressing, there's talk about Denver keeping an extra TE this year, with the roster spot coming at the expense of the RBs. That doesn't really change the calculus from our current understanding, it just really underscores that, barring injury, McGahee and Moreno are almost certainly competing for a single roster spot.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen stated on NFL 32 that rookie Montee Ball is "absolutely" the front-runner to replace Willis McGahee at tailback in Denver.
"It is absolutely the rookie Montee Ball from Wisconsin," said Mortensen, who recently spent a ton of time with the Manning brothers. "And I can tell you already the feeling from the quarterback (Peyton) is this guy has -- kinda like what Edgerrin James and Joseph Addai gave him -- is that he gets 'it.' He's got 'it.' In other words, he's dedicated, he's a pro, and he's got talent. ... Montee Ball, watch out." Look for Ball to blow by Ronnie Hillman et al in training camp and preseason games. He's already the best inside runner on Denver's roster.

 

[EBF]

Moreno was a ppg machine on this team despite being a pretty crap RB.

I don't think Ball is a mega star in a vacuum, but this seems like a golden opportunity.

 

[Grahamburn]

High praise.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Moreno was a ppg machine on this team despite being a pretty crap RB.

I don't think Ball is a mega star in a vacuum, but this seems like a golden opportunity.

This is mostly about opp in the short term but it might be a fun ride the next 2-3 years until Manning is officially done. Ball is not flashy but where does he compare to Joseph Addai? I am sure James had a lot more skills than Ball has but even if he is solid, there is a very strong OL that can both pass and run block, lot of talent at the WRs and Manning in front of him, he should be able to catch defenses dropping back and gain some big yards.

 

[donkshow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure all Peyton Manning RB's put up solid numbers.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure all Peyton Manning RB's put up solid numbers.

Addai after his rookie year was kinda disappointing. Donald Brown was/is pretty pedestrian. I wouldn't say they all do wonderful but even mediocre talent looks a little better with Peyton in front of them. I believe Ball has better skills than Addai or let's say is a more complete back but he is not on the same level as an Edgerrin James.

 

[donkshow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure all Peyton Manning RB's put up solid numbers.

Addai after his rookie year was kinda disappointing. Donald Brown was/is pretty pedestrian. I wouldn't say they all do wonderful but even mediocre talent looks a little better with Peyton in front of them. I believe Ball has better skills than Addai or let's say is a more complete back but he is not on the same level as an Edgerrin James.

Addai kept getting dinged up. His second year he put up over 1000 yards and 12 TD's. I've never been a fan of Brown but in fairness to him being on Manning's team, he was consistently splitting carries with Addai and never had a chance to be the starter and was never given the chance to get all the carries.

Addai's second season, Rhodes had almonst as many yards as him. So the Colts running game tends to put up mid-range RB2 numbers, but after Addai's 2nd season it had been RBBC.

 

[mjr]

Isn't it obvious? Elway is apparently attempting to recreate, at least in part, the Denver Broncos he played on during their Super Bowl years.

Elway + Terrell Davis + Gibbs as OL coach = 2 Super Bowl rings.

So.. bring in Manning to play his role, bring Gibbs himself back to "consult" as an offensive line coach and pick out a RB that reminds you of T. Davis.

Shake a little... and.... Voila'!

 

[moleculo]

Isn't it obvious? Elway is apparently attempting to recreate, at least in part, the Denver Broncos he played on during their Super Bowl years.

Elway + Terrell Davis + Gibbs as OL coach = 2 Super Bowl rings.

So.. bring in Manning to play his role, bring Gibbs himself back to "consult" as an offensive line coach and pick out a RB that reminds you of T. Davis.

Shake a little... and.... Voila'!

oh, there's more than that. In 1996, Broncos went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, and lost. Not all that different from what happened last season.

In 1997, they signed an over-the-hill pass rush specialist from a division rival (Neil Smith), and had a trash talking LB who was really good at getting under the skin of opposing players (Romanowski). both of these roles will be filled by Shaun Phillips.

They had a stud punt-returner that was a threat to return any kick (Darrien Gordon) - see last seasons signing of Trindon Holliday.

 

[Buffaloes]

Isn't it obvious? Elway is apparently attempting to recreate, at least in part, the Denver Broncos he played on during their Super Bowl years.

Elway + Terrell Davis + Gibbs as OL coach = 2 Super Bowl rings.

So.. bring in Manning to play his role, bring Gibbs himself back to "consult" as an offensive line coach and pick out a RB that reminds you of T. Davis.

Shake a little... and.... Voila'!

oh, there's more than that. In 1996, Broncos went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, and lost. Not all that different from what happened last season.

In 1997, they signed an over-the-hill pass rush specialist from a division rival (Neil Smith), and had a trash talking LB who was really good at getting under the skin of opposing players (Romanowski). both of these roles will be filled by Shaun Phillips.

They had a stud punt-returner that was a threat to return any kick (Darrien Gordon) - see last seasons signing of Trindon Holliday.

there are so many similarities to those days. It's getting really hard trying to temper the excitement for this team, and that's including Montee Ball's prospects both in real-life football and fantasy.

The addition of Gibbs even as a consultant is big for the running game as is the addition of Vasquez. Adam Gase's comments thus far seem to indicate he's more open to a fast-paced, no-huddle offence and may be willing to open the playbook up a little more than what we saw under McCoy too.

 

[Shutout]

Isn't it obvious? Elway is apparently attempting to recreate, at least in part, the Denver Broncos he played on during their Super Bowl years.

Elway + Terrell Davis + Gibbs as OL coach = 2 Super Bowl rings.

So.. bring in Manning to play his role, bring Gibbs himself back to "consult" as an offensive line coach and pick out a RB that reminds you of T. Davis.

Shake a little... and.... Voila'!

oh, there's more than that. In 1996, Broncos went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, and lost. Not all that different from what happened last season.

In 1997, they signed an over-the-hill pass rush specialist from a division rival (Neil Smith), and had a trash talking LB who was really good at getting under the skin of opposing players (Romanowski). both of these roles will be filled by Shaun Phillips.

They had a stud punt-returner that was a threat to return any kick (Darrien Gordon) - see last seasons signing of Trindon Holliday.

there are so many similarities to those days. It's getting really hard trying to temper the excitement for this team, and that's including Montee Ball's prospects both in real-life football and fantasy.

The addition of Gibbs even as a consultant is big for the running game as is the addition of Vasquez. Adam Gase's comments thus far seem to indicate he's more open to a fast-paced, no-huddle offence and may be willing to open the playbook up a little more than what we saw under McCoy too.

Lots of similarities except the one this thread is about; Montee Ball being similar to Terrell Davis. I get people getting caught up in the hype due to the opportunity; that exists, but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

He (Ball) will be very good. I can't say he won't because Moreno was a stud for 6 weeks last year so it seems plausible, but I think if this keeps going the way it has been, people are going to severely overdraft Ball in the August drafts.

 

[Bronco Billy]

but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

I think one could have said the exact same thing about Terrell Davis prior to his being drafted.

 

[Shutout]

but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

I think one could have said the exact same thing about Terrell Davis prior to his being drafted.

I agree but I guess my larger point is in today's age where there is so much exposure and much more known about players coming into the league, I have a general skepticism when the going consensus on a player changes from "Good, solid talent but not spectacular to OMG!" To me, that just reeks of opportunity-driving value and that is typically a very short-lived thing.

 

[Grahamburn]

but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

I think one could have said the exact same thing about Terrell Davis prior to his being drafted.

I agree but I guess my larger point is in today's age where there is so much exposure and much more known about players coming into the league, I have a general skepticism when the going consensus on a player changes from "Good, solid talent but not spectacular to OMG!" To me, that just reeks of opportunity-driving value and that is typically a very short-lived thing.

It's interesting you mentioned "today's age." With Montee Ball's college production I wonder how early of a pick he would have been before the combine and the lack of emphasis on RBs now?

924 carries, 5,140 yards, 5.6 avg, 77 TDs. 59 receptions, 598 yards, 10.1 avg, 6 TDs.

Those are eye popping numbers.

Keep in mind where Doug Martin was drafted. 31st overall. Ball was only 27 picks later. Their workout numbers are pretty similar. Ask Alfred Morris' owners where he was drafted. Do you think they care right now?

Ball has landed on a lethal offense, clearly has a nose for the end zone, and if he really does get an opportunity to be "the guy" he's going to be a valuable player for fantasy.

People may still be salivating over Trent Richardson's eye popping talent in a few years, but if he doesn't put it on the field consistently it won't matter to nerds trying to win fantasy leagues.

 

[SWC]

guys ball has a lot of patience he will wait for a hole to develop and then make one move and go and that is a good thing in the nfl i honestly think he will do good i watched him a lot and some of the knocks are out of this world he can catch the ball but just did not do that a lot because they brought in james white for that as a change of pacer guy and hey i do not care how good your line is you do not score the tds and get the yards he did without some skills so i think he will be good not spectacular at first but i think he has got upside galore brohans take that to the bank and that is one to grow on

 

[Adam Harstad]

but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

I think one could have said the exact same thing about Terrell Davis prior to his being drafted.

I agree but I guess my larger point is in today's age where there is so much exposure and much more known about players coming into the league, I have a general skepticism when the going consensus on a player changes from "Good, solid talent but not spectacular to OMG!" To me, that just reeks of opportunity-driving value and that is typically a very short-lived thing.

I'd go the opposite- Montee Ball was drafted in the 2nd round, yet the general opinion of his talent level seems to be far lower than that of other typical 2nd round backs.I long ago decided I was never going to be able to consistently outperform the big boys in scouting, so instead I just outsource all my evaluations to the paid professionals- I use draft position as a starting point for all of my evaluations. In that respect, Montee Ball is not a specific player to me so much as a generic. His name might as well be "Late 2nd round RB talent in fantastic situation", and he's competing for market share with guys like "top 10 WR talent in with unique size profile in bad offense" and "early second round RB talent in middling situation" and "later 2nd round RB talent with injury concerns mired in job competition for traditionally poor running team" and "late 1st round WR talent with huge physical upside but very limited college portfolio". I'm high on Ball in rookie drafts because he got drafted in a similar neighborhood to all the other RBs, but to a better destination. Maybe he was overrated because of his college production, maybe he was underrated because of his sub-par measurables... I don't really know. I do know that actual NFL franchises, who face real consequences for their decisions and have a much more vested interest in getting these things right, thought enough of him to take him in the late 2nd.In a stronger rookie draft, a late 2nd round RB on a good team would probably be a late 1st, early 2nd type pick. In this year's suckfest of a draft, that's enough to get you in my top 5 rookies.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Cowboys had him as a 3rd rounder for whatever that's worth. Granted they haven't had a good RB since Emmitt.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I long ago decided I was never going to be able to consistently outperform the big boys in scouting, so instead I just outsource all my evaluations to the paid professionals- I use draft position as a starting point for all of my evaluations. In that respect, Montee Ball is not a specific player to me so much as a generic. His name might as well be "Late 2nd round RB talent in fantastic situation", and he's competing for market share with guys like "top 10 WR talent in with unique size profile in bad offense" and "early second round RB talent in middling situation" and "later 2nd round RB talent with injury concerns mired in job competition for traditionally poor running team" and "late 1st round WR talent with huge physical upside but very limited college portfolio".

Really, really, really here. Sums up how I look at rookies perfectly.

 

[bostonfred]

1.1 ball

1.2 bernard

Only two guys in this draft worth getting excited about. After that, trade down. Questionable qb on the bills? Thanks ill pass. Tiny wr who is super awesome? Tempting, but no. Big fast raw wr in minnesota? I mean, maybe he develops into something, but I'm not patient enough to wait around for it. Rb with foot problems in green bay? No thanks. Rb drafted behind that guy? Yeah, no. Rb drafted behind gore, with two recent early rb picks already on the team, and recovering from a mcgahee injury? Not a terrible stash but I'm not taking him early. I like the top two guys in this class and that's about it, and I think people will come around to my way of thinking if they haven't already. If you're stuck with a mid first, trade it before the rookie hype dies down or hang onto it and hope a leaguemate has eyes for one of the lottery ticket guys.

 

[Buffaloes]

Isn't it obvious? Elway is apparently attempting to recreate, at least in part, the Denver Broncos he played on during their Super Bowl years.

Elway + Terrell Davis + Gibbs as OL coach = 2 Super Bowl rings.

So.. bring in Manning to play his role, bring Gibbs himself back to "consult" as an offensive line coach and pick out a RB that reminds you of T. Davis.

Shake a little... and.... Voila'!

oh, there's more than that. In 1996, Broncos went 13-3 and had home-field advantage, and lost. Not all that different from what happened last season.

In 1997, they signed an over-the-hill pass rush specialist from a division rival (Neil Smith), and had a trash talking LB who was really good at getting under the skin of opposing players (Romanowski). both of these roles will be filled by Shaun Phillips.

They had a stud punt-returner that was a threat to return any kick (Darrien Gordon) - see last seasons signing of Trindon Holliday.

there are so many similarities to those days. It's getting really hard trying to temper the excitement for this team, and that's including Montee Ball's prospects both in real-life football and fantasy.

The addition of Gibbs even as a consultant is big for the running game as is the addition of Vasquez. Adam Gase's comments thus far seem to indicate he's more open to a fast-paced, no-huddle offence and may be willing to open the playbook up a little more than what we saw under McCoy too.

Lots of similarities except the one this thread is about; Montee Ball being similar to Terrell Davis. I get people getting caught up in the hype due to the opportunity; that exists, but prior to the draft, you would be hard pressed to find many people saying they thought Ball possessed anything remotely similar to an extremely good dynamic back.

fwiw, John Elway made the Davis comparison

Linkavic

 

[mjr]

1.1 ball1.2 bernardOnly two guys in this draft worth getting excited about. After that, trade down. Questionable qb on the bills? Thanks ill pass. Tiny wr who is super awesome? Tempting, but no. Big fast raw wr in minnesota? I mean, maybe he develops into something, but I'm not patient enough to wait around for it. Rb with foot problems in green bay? No thanks. Rb drafted behind that guy? Yeah, no. Rb drafted behind gore, with two recent early rb picks already on the team, and recovering from a mcgahee injury? Not a terrible stash but I'm not taking him early. I like the top two guys in this class and that's about it, and I think people will come around to my way of thinking if they haven't already. If you're stuck with a mid first, trade it before the rookie hype dies down or hang onto it and hope a leaguemate has eyes for one of the lottery ticket guys.

I agree, though I think Bell belongs on that short list too (he was drafted before Lacy). I would probably trade out at 1.05 and certainly at 1.06 (I was at 1.07 and wanted out, but I ended up trading up to 1.04 when I was offered a deal I liked). With all the hype around the other guys Ball fell to me there. I really didn't expect that even with the hype around him now. As OTAs go on and positive news on Ball continues, I don't think Ball will be there at 1.03 or 1.04 in most rookie drafts come July and August. I'd cash out of even the 1.04 spot the closer to pre-season it gets.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I'd go the opposite- Montee Ball was drafted in the 2nd round, yet the general opinion of his talent level seems to be far lower than that of other typical 2nd round backs.I long ago decided I was never going to be able to consistently outperform the big boys in scouting, so instead I just outsource all my evaluations to the paid professionals- I use draft position as a starting point for all of my evaluations. In that respect, Montee Ball is not a specific player to me so much as a generic. His name might as well be "Late 2nd round RB talent in fantastic situation", and he's competing for market share with guys like "top 10 WR talent in with unique size profile in bad offense" and "early second round RB talent in middling situation" and "later 2nd round RB talent with injury concerns mired in job competition for traditionally poor running team" and "late 1st round WR talent with huge physical upside but very limited college portfolio". I'm high on Ball in rookie drafts because he got drafted in a similar neighborhood to all the other RBs, but to a better destination. Maybe he was overrated because of his college production, maybe he was underrated because of his sub-par measurables... I don't really know. I do know that actual NFL franchises, who face real consequences for their decisions and have a much more vested interest in getting these things right, thought enough of him to take him in the late 2nd.In a stronger rookie draft, a late 2nd round RB on a good team would probably be a late 1st, early 2nd type pick. In this year's suckfest of a draft, that's enough to get you in my top 5 rookies.

Problem with your way of thinking is it allows the 8-10 poorly run franchises free reign to wreck your dynasty leagues. You have to ask questions before you start making large investments in teams like Oakland, Cleveland(it's getting better), Arizona, for whatever reason these teams cannot sustain longevity out of the skill position players most of the time. Sure you get a Braylon Edwards that looked like the real deal for 1 season but trying to draft guys you can lean on and count on in dynasty?

I put my trust in teams that are relevant and show the skills to build dynasties and teams themselves. I'm looking for WRs that have solid QBs which is why a guy like TY Hilton holds a lot more value on Indy than he does had he been drafted in Oakland. Now from the standpoint of 2nd round RB landing in a great situation, I do like that thinking Adam and there is nothing wrong with that. But I would caution you to not assume that all 32 NFL teams are good at evaluating talent because several of them are not.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I'd go the opposite- Montee Ball was drafted in the 2nd round, yet the general opinion of his talent level seems to be far lower than that of other typical 2nd round backs.I long ago decided I was never going to be able to consistently outperform the big boys in scouting, so instead I just outsource all my evaluations to the paid professionals- I use draft position as a starting point for all of my evaluations. In that respect, Montee Ball is not a specific player to me so much as a generic. His name might as well be "Late 2nd round RB talent in fantastic situation", and he's competing for market share with guys like "top 10 WR talent in with unique size profile in bad offense" and "early second round RB talent in middling situation" and "later 2nd round RB talent with injury concerns mired in job competition for traditionally poor running team" and "late 1st round WR talent with huge physical upside but very limited college portfolio". I'm high on Ball in rookie drafts because he got drafted in a similar neighborhood to all the other RBs, but to a better destination. Maybe he was overrated because of his college production, maybe he was underrated because of his sub-par measurables... I don't really know. I do know that actual NFL franchises, who face real consequences for their decisions and have a much more vested interest in getting these things right, thought enough of him to take him in the late 2nd.In a stronger rookie draft, a late 2nd round RB on a good team would probably be a late 1st, early 2nd type pick. In this year's suckfest of a draft, that's enough to get you in my top 5 rookies.

Problem with your way of thinking is it allows the 8-10 poorly run franchises free reign to wreck your dynasty leagues. You have to ask questions before you start making large investments in teams like Oakland, Cleveland(it's getting better), Arizona, for whatever reason these teams cannot sustain longevity out of the skill position players most of the time. Sure you get a Braylon Edwards that looked like the real deal for 1 season but trying to draft guys you can lean on and count on in dynasty?

I put my trust in teams that are relevant and show the skills to build dynasties and teams themselves. I'm looking for WRs that have solid QBs which is why a guy like TY Hilton holds a lot more value on Indy than he does had he been drafted in Oakland. Now from the standpoint of 2nd round RB landing in a great situation, I do like that thinking Adam and there is nothing wrong with that. But I would caution you to not assume that all 32 NFL teams are good at evaluating talent because several of them are not.

Situation obviously matters and I account for it. Montee Ball is more valuable because he got drafted to play in Denver than he would be if he got drafted to play in Arizona. He's not, however, more valuable because he got drafted BY Denver- a seemingly small but meaningful distinction. His supporting cast in Denver is important, but the quality of Denver's scouting department is not (i.e. they're not more or less likely to identify talent than other teams). Studies show that past drafting success has virtually no correlation with future drafting success. We think that some teams are just amazing drafters, but really, nobody consistently outperforms or underperforms the mean. I think it's a lot like mutual funds- we intuitively believe that some mutual funds are just well-run and will beat the market, but the reality is that most mutual funds get absolutely smoked by simple index funds with tiny fees, and there's little way of predicting beforehand which of the mutual funds are going to actually finish ahead. Past results certainly don't do it- they're far too influenced by survivorship bias. The belief that some managers are more "skilled" and will consistently beat the market is mostly a myth perpetuated by random results masquerading as meaningful indicators.

Objectively, I know that I shouldn't be rating players higher or lower than their draft position based solely on who took them. Subjectively, though, I sometimes am less than perfect in that regard. Would I still be holding on to A.J. Jenkins if he was drafted by the Raiders at the end of the first instead of the Niners? I like to think I would, but I can't say for sure. Even in as neat a theory as this, I still wonder if the Oakland Raiders might not be the exception.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Not to mention the fact that even the very worst NFL personnel departments are better at their jobs than 99.9% of anyone not making a living in that field.

By the time any college player has been drafted by an NFL team, every play he's been involved in has been watched many times in slow motion by a bunch of people who scout for a living. He's been watched on the game and practice field in person. He and every coach he's been involved with since HS have been interviewed. Intelligence and personality tests have been administered and analyzed by professionals. He's been examined by the top sports medicine doctors in the world. He's been physically tested thoroughly in person

Even the most dedicated FF geek with the most time on his hands, college football gameday and multiple DVRs flat out can't compete with the resources deployed by the cheapest, crappiest NFL franchise. And 99.9% of us have neither the time nor inclination to go beyond catching parts of a few college games for an individual player, reading an online report or two, and watching some YouTube.

 

[Buffaloes]

Mandatory mini camp kicked off today. It's early so take it w/ a grain of salt...

Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 31m

Day one is a wrap. In all honesty te only interesting thing was that neither knowshon or mcgahee got any reps.

Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 24m

McGahee says he got a couple reps. I didn't see any. Says he has no regrets for family reasons for missing OTA's

https://twitter.com/dmac1043

 

[moderated]

Mandatory mini camp kicked off today. It's early so take it w/ a grain of salt...

Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 31m

Day one is a wrap. In all honesty te only interesting thing was that neither knowshon or mcgahee got any reps.

Darren McKee ‏@dmac1043 24m

McGahee says he got a couple reps. I didn't see any. Says he has no regrets for family reasons for missing OTA's

https://twitter.com/dmac1043

Ball is definitely the front runner but Moreno is coming off injury and McGahee is just arriving coming off his own injury.

Nothing is surprising if they are still sitting out.

 

[Grahamburn]

If this kid has a good preseason his ADP is going to skyrocket with McGahee out of the picture.

 

[donkshow]

If this kid has a good preseason his ADP is going to skyrocket with McGahee out of the picture.

Absolutely.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld speculation:

Rookie Montee Ball is locked in as the Broncos' feature back following the release of Willis McGahee.
Ronnie Hillman is a change-of-pace option and there's no guarantee Knowshon Moreno (knee surgery) will even make the final roster. The Broncos used a second-round pick on Ball for a reason; they're going to ride him as a feature back. A downhill runner with a one-cut style that fits the scheme, Ball is a surefire RB2 with RB1 upside in Denver's high-powered offense. McGahee and Moreno combined for 305 carries, 1,256 yards and eight touchdowns last season.

 

[Buffaloes]

Rotoworld speculation:

Rookie Montee Ball is locked in as the Broncos' feature back following the release of Willis McGahee.
Ronnie Hillman is a change-of-pace option and there's no guarantee Knowshon Moreno (knee surgery) will even make the final roster. The Broncos used a second-round pick on Ball for a reason; they're going to ride him as a feature back. A downhill runner with a one-cut style that fits the scheme, Ball is a surefire RB2 with RB1 upside in Denver's high-powered offense. McGahee and Moreno combined for 305 carries, 1,256 yards and eight touchdowns last season.

 

[Eminence]

In my opinion, Ball will be given every chance to be the Broncos starting runningback. But if he falters, they can easily plug in Moreno and be just fine. Brilliant move by Denver, imo.

 

[Beerguzzler]

All I know is that the #1 pick in dynasty drafts just got more valuable. Ball is the clear cut #1 pick IMO and should be the lead back starting week 1.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

All I know is that the #1 pick in dynasty drafts just got more valuable. Ball is the clear cut #1 pick IMO and should be the lead back starting week 1.

Yeah I agree. I think Ball and Bell were fighting for #1, but this vaults Ball quite a bit. Bell could have a nice camp and preseason and be back in the mix though.

 

[Faust]

Finding the Fits: Having a Ball in Denver

Rob Rang

Excerpt:

Denver Broncos' best fit: RB Montee Ball, Wisconsin, Second Round, No. 58 overall

In terms of scheme and opportunity, few rookies are in better position to make an immediate impact in the NFL than running back Montee Ball with the Denver Broncos.

Perhaps the greatest advantage Ball (and every other Denver back) has going is the fact that every defense the Broncos face will be focusing on stopping Peyton Manning more than the running game. It doesn't take an expert in the zone-blocking scheme to understand that with defenses spread out wide to stop the pass, running lanes should be easy to exploit.

Nevertheless, the Broncos added the wizard of zone-blocking, Alex Gibbs, to their staff for 2013 to supplement current offensive line coach Dave Magazu, who has spent the past 10 seasons working with head coach John Fox in Carolina and Denver.

The attack fits in nicely with Ball, despite the fact that zone blocking will be a bit of an adjustment considering his success at Wisconsin came via a more traditional power-based attack.

In a zone-blocking scheme, vision, balance and burst are the primary traits scouts are looking for. Straight-line speed is perhaps the most overrated element of running back play in this attack. Therefore, the 4.59-second 40-yard dash Ball was credited with at the 2013 combine isn't nearly as much of a concern in this scheme as it would be for others. Terrell Davis (4.70), Arian Foster (4.68) and Alfred Morris (4.67) are just some of the backs who have starred in the zone-blocking scheme despite less-than-impressive speed.

Running won't be an issue for Ball in Denver. The bigger adjustment for the rookie -- like most young backs in the NFL -- will come in the passing game. The early reviews of Ball's performance as a receiver out of the backfield and when picking up blitzes in early workouts, however, have been favorable.

Perhaps most important, Ball, himself, is feeling confident in his growth.

"It's funny because today I came in feeling extremely comfortable," Ball said following practice two weeks ago. "The jitters are gone and now I'm ready to play. I feel like I sort of showcased that today in practice. I knew all of my assignments, and I didn't look like I was a chicken with his head cut off in the backfield."

 

[Faust]

The Shutdown Corner AFC West draft review podcast with Greg Cosell

By Doug Farrar

Excerpt:

On Denver Broncos second-round pick RB Montee Ball: "I liked him in tape. He was such a volume runner in college -- you wouldn't call him spectacular, but I came away believing that he was a very solid player. A very loose-hipped kid -- very naturally smooth. He's a gliding runner with sharp change of direction. He didn't hesitate at all -- he was decisive as a downhill runner and he ran a lot of power, because that's what Wisconsin does. He also ran a lot of zone schemes, so he's very familiar with NFL rushing concepts. He was a player I liked the more I watched him, and I think he's a really good fit in Denver."

 

[ShaHBucks]

All I know is that the #1 pick in dynasty drafts just got more valuable. Ball is the clear cut #1 pick IMO and should be the lead back starting week 1.

Yeah I agree. I think Ball and Bell were fighting for #1, but this vaults Ball quite a bit. Bell could have a nice camp and preseason and be back in the mix though.

I think Bell has less talent around him. After that Ball and Lacy are 2a and 2b for me.

 

[Groundpounder]

My concern with Ball is that when I watch his highlights I see alot of gaping holes and not alot of impressive running. However, you cannot deny the situation he's in if he gets the starting gig. What happens if this turns into a full blown committee (which it very well could) with Ball, Moreno, and Hillman all getting carries? That seems to me like the most likely if Moreno is simply being held out as a precaution right now.

If Moreno weren't in the picture, I'd feel better about drafting Ball #1 (and I DO have the #1 pick in our dynasty league). I've changed my mind 4 times so far on that pick. First it was Bernard, then Austin, then Bell, then Bernard again. Now I'm seriously considering Ball but more because of his situation than his skill. I don't see any runner in this class on par with Lattimore but his situation is horrific along with the knee trouble.

 

[bostonfred]

My concern with Ball is that when I watch his highlights I see alot of gaping holes and not alot of impressive running.

Everyone keeps saying this. I see plenty of impressive running.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVgEIMKr0U

:46 - powers through two leg tackles, then stiffarms a d back in the open field for a long TD

1:01 - hurdles a defender at the line, then lands and powers forward for a 5+ yard TD.

1:07 - spin move to pick up a first down and more first and ten

1:32 - breaks several tackles for a long gainer on an outside run turned back inside

2:22 - absolutely destroys a swarm of purdue defenders, turns nothing into a long TD

2:48 - drags four tacklers for a first down

3:08 - nice spin, broken tackle, first down

3:28 - gets hit, keeps his balance, turns the corner, gets tackled again, breaks it, outruns two more guys for the 5 yard TD run

3:46 - juke move for a nice gainer

4:08 - runs into a wall, bounces off, turns the corner, and avoids a tackler plus his own idiot receiver

4:21 - nice catch over the middle, quick spin and a long TD

4:35 - nice stiff arm

4:51 - creates a bunch of yardage

5:00 and 5:08 - two nice sidesteps

5:15 - Avoids multiple bad tackles from behind

5:41 - Giddyup!

5:57 - Spins to break a tackle for the TD

I think people are looking to give all the credit to the blocking so they don't get fooled by another Wisconsin back. And that's fine - it's hard for an armchair scout to say whether a college player is going to be good or not, and it's totally reasonable to develop thumb rules like avoiding Wisconsin RBs or not liking RBs in a class where no RB went in the top 15 picks (both have beEn pretty good rules IIRC).

But saying you watched the highlights and didn't see the talent - that it was all the huge open holes and nothing to do with the player - seems wrong to me. Watch the video, take a look at some of the clips I pointed out, and you'll see his talent on display. Will that talent translate to the NFL? I don't know. It's a lot easier to break tackles and stiffarm or spin your way out of trouble in college than in the NFL. But there's no question that Ball is able to create offense. He's my top player in this year's draft and there aren't many others I even want, and it's because he has both the talent and the situation.

 

[Groundpounder]

My concern with Ball is that when I watch his highlights I see alot of gaping holes and not alot of impressive running.

Everyone keeps saying this. I see plenty of impressive running.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVgEIMKr0U

:46 - powers through two leg tackles, then stiffarms a d back in the open field for a long TD

1:01 - hurdles a defender at the line, then lands and powers forward for a 5+ yard TD.

1:07 - spin move to pick up a first down and more first and ten

1:32 - breaks several tackles for a long gainer on an outside run turned back inside

2:22 - absolutely destroys a swarm of purdue defenders, turns nothing into a long TD

2:48 - drags four tacklers for a first down

3:08 - nice spin, broken tackle, first down

3:28 - gets hit, keeps his balance, turns the corner, gets tackled again, breaks it, outruns two more guys for the 5 yard TD run

3:46 - juke move for a nice gainer

4:08 - runs into a wall, bounces off, turns the corner, and avoids a tackler plus his own idiot receiver

4:21 - nice catch over the middle, quick spin and a long TD

4:35 - nice stiff arm

4:51 - creates a bunch of yardage

5:00 and 5:08 - two nice sidesteps

5:15 - Avoids multiple bad tackles from behind

5:41 - Giddyup!

5:57 - Spins to break a tackle for the TD

I think people are looking to give all the credit to the blocking so they don't get fooled by another Wisconsin back. And that's fine - it's hard for an armchair scout to say whether a college player is going to be good or not, and it's totally reasonable to develop thumb rules like avoiding Wisconsin RBs or not liking RBs in a class where no RB went in the top 15 picks (both have beEn pretty good rules IIRC).

But saying you watched the highlights and didn't see the talent - that it was all the huge open holes and nothing to do with the player - seems wrong to me. Watch the video, take a look at some of the clips I pointed out, and you'll see his talent on display. Will that talent translate to the NFL? I don't know. It's a lot easier to break tackles and stiffarm or spin your way out of trouble in college than in the NFL. But there's no question that Ball is able to create offense. He's my top player in this year's draft and there aren't many others I even want, and it's because he has both the talent and the situation.

I can't get on youtube at work. <_<

However, I will check this out when I get home tonight. I am, by no means, looking to develop any "thumb rules" about players. That's not the way I evaluate. Especially with runningbacks, I watch alot of film and develop my own opinion of them. What I did see IN THE HIGHLIGHTS I WATCHED was alot of large holes and a very upright running style that, at worst, will get this guy killed at the pro level ... at best, result in him being brought down easily and not being able to squeak out a few extra yards where possible. I also did not see cuts that were as sharp as others in this class.

I will say this though ... I have not watched as much film on Ball as some of the other RB's because I gave up after every highlight seemed like a walk into the end zone through a ridiculously large hole. I'm going to give this guy another look. I'll start with the link you've provided. Thanks for the input BostonFred.

 

[Bob Magaw]

My concern with Ball is that when I watch his highlights I see alot of gaping holes and not alot of impressive running.

Everyone keeps saying this. I see plenty of impressive running.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVgEIMKr0U

:46 - powers through two leg tackles, then stiffarms a d back in the open field for a long TD

1:01 - hurdles a defender at the line, then lands and powers forward for a 5+ yard TD.

1:07 - spin move to pick up a first down and more first and ten

1:32 - breaks several tackles for a long gainer on an outside run turned back inside

2:22 - absolutely destroys a swarm of purdue defenders, turns nothing into a long TD

2:48 - drags four tacklers for a first down

3:08 - nice spin, broken tackle, first down

3:28 - gets hit, keeps his balance, turns the corner, gets tackled again, breaks it, outruns two more guys for the 5 yard TD run

3:46 - juke move for a nice gainer

4:08 - runs into a wall, bounces off, turns the corner, and avoids a tackler plus his own idiot receiver

4:21 - nice catch over the middle, quick spin and a long TD

4:35 - nice stiff arm

4:51 - creates a bunch of yardage

5:00 and 5:08 - two nice sidesteps

5:15 - Avoids multiple bad tackles from behind

5:41 - Giddyup!

5:57 - Spins to break a tackle for the TD

I think people are looking to give all the credit to the blocking so they don't get fooled by another Wisconsin back. And that's fine - it's hard for an armchair scout to say whether a college player is going to be good or not, and it's totally reasonable to develop thumb rules like avoiding Wisconsin RBs or not liking RBs in a class where no RB went in the top 15 picks (both have beEn pretty good rules IIRC).

But saying you watched the highlights and didn't see the talent - that it was all the huge open holes and nothing to do with the player - seems wrong to me. Watch the video, take a look at some of the clips I pointed out, and you'll see his talent on display. Will that talent translate to the NFL? I don't know. It's a lot easier to break tackles and stiffarm or spin your way out of trouble in college than in the NFL. But there's no question that Ball is able to create offense. He's my top player in this year's draft and there aren't many others I even want, and it's because he has both the talent and the situation.

well said, bostonfred, nice post.

i'm also impressed with his running skills (the importance of breakaway speed is exaggerated... see terrell davis, arian foster, al morris, all who have succeeded in this kind of blocking scheme running in 4.6-4.7 range like ball).

his college production is hard to ignore... a lot of wisconsin RBs have fared well without necessarily putting up the elite, historic, video game-like, barry sanders TD numbers ball did.

i also read in an interview that college HC alvarez lauded his maturity, professionalism and work ethic, which bodes well for his chances to get up to speed quicker at the next level... and stick once he gets there.

maybe mentioned above, but mortensen in recent interview stated that ball reminds some in organization of how edgerrin james and joseph addai had the "it factor" that enabled them to step in right away and succeed in a manning-led offense.

* and speaking of holes, it is ironic that though some may ding him for the large ones he benefited from at wisconsin, imagine the space he may be availed within the context of the broncos passing attack... thomas, decker and welker might be best WR trio in NFL, certainly among best... compared to other potenital feature RB destinations (bernard in CIN, bell in PIT and lacy in GB), only lacy in GB could be viewed as comparably good, so this could be a huge plus for ball. he could be in position near the stripe a lot in 2013 if things go according to plan.

 

[Groundpounder]

Let me be clear also ... I'm not "dinging" Ball for the large holes he was running through. I'm simply stating it's very hard to evaluate running skills when the player is given gaps to run through wider than the one in Michael Strahan's chicklets.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

If the guy can pass block sufficiently, he's starting early in Denver. If not, Moreno will.

And Hillman can continue doing his outside running as a change of pace.

 

[Groundpounder]

My concern with Ball is that when I watch his highlights I see alot of gaping holes and not alot of impressive running.

Everyone keeps saying this. I see plenty of impressive running.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVgEIMKr0U

:46 - powers through two leg tackles, then stiffarms a d back in the open field for a long TD

1:01 - hurdles a defender at the line, then lands and powers forward for a 5+ yard TD.

1:07 - spin move to pick up a first down and more first and ten

1:32 - breaks several tackles for a long gainer on an outside run turned back inside

2:22 - absolutely destroys a swarm of purdue defenders, turns nothing into a long TD

2:48 - drags four tacklers for a first down

3:08 - nice spin, broken tackle, first down

3:28 - gets hit, keeps his balance, turns the corner, gets tackled again, breaks it, outruns two more guys for the 5 yard TD run

3:46 - juke move for a nice gainer

4:08 - runs into a wall, bounces off, turns the corner, and avoids a tackler plus his own idiot receiver

4:21 - nice catch over the middle, quick spin and a long TD

4:35 - nice stiff arm

4:51 - creates a bunch of yardage

5:00 and 5:08 - two nice sidesteps

5:15 - Avoids multiple bad tackles from behind

5:41 - Giddyup!

5:57 - Spins to break a tackle for the TD

I think people are looking to give all the credit to the blocking so they don't get fooled by another Wisconsin back. And that's fine - it's hard for an armchair scout to say whether a college player is going to be good or not, and it's totally reasonable to develop thumb rules like avoiding Wisconsin RBs or not liking RBs in a class where no RB went in the top 15 picks (both have beEn pretty good rules IIRC).

But saying you watched the highlights and didn't see the talent - that it was all the huge open holes and nothing to do with the player - seems wrong to me. Watch the video, take a look at some of the clips I pointed out, and you'll see his talent on display. Will that talent translate to the NFL? I don't know. It's a lot easier to break tackles and stiffarm or spin your way out of trouble in college than in the NFL. But there's no question that Ball is able to create offense. He's my top player in this year's draft and there aren't many others I even want, and it's because he has both the talent and the situation.

ok bostonfred ... those are much better highlights than the ones I saw. He still seems to run a little upright for my liking but his lateral movement and vision was solid in those highlights. I'm not overly concerned with his 40 times as he looks to have more burst and wiggle than I saw previously. I might have to give this some more thought. Right now I'm trying to decide between Ball and Bernard. Going to have to see how they look during camp.

 

[cstu]

Not looking good so far - 2 YPC and a fumble on the goal line.

 

[B-Deep]

yeah, could be rookie growing pains, but he has some work to do

 

[LAbronco]

Great job, Rotoworld! Mislead everyone on Ball, so i could score Knowshon in the 11th & 12th Rounds in all my leagues. Yeah, guess it's kinda important to be able to help keep your $20M QB upright.

 

[Shutout]

Great job, Rotoworld! Mislead everyone on Ball, so i could score Knowshon in the 11th & 12th Rounds in all my leagues. Yeah, guess it's kinda important to be able to help keep your $20M QB upright.

If people were relying on Rotoworld to steer them on this one, they have much bigger problems.

Anyone who watches football or has watched Peyton Manning during th elast decade saw this one coming a mile away.