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Montee Ball (1 Viewer)
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Well why is it funny, what is this bizarro world? Montee Ball has done NOTHING in this league haha. Do u not think he can be benched or something??
Reading some of these posts, you would think we're talking about benching Shady McCoy for Chris Polk. My god
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Interseptopus
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I don't think its the notion of benching Ball as it is it just sounds ridiculous. Why bench your starting RB after he has a week to work the kinks out? You think they would have benched him after he fumbled his first carry or later in the game when it was clear he wasn't getting it done. Instead, they give him a higher % of the carries and decrease CJs workload.
You think if FBGs was talking about it, espn would be. They have people in the locker room etc.
Interseptopus
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Wait, you mean Ronnie Hillman can be dropped now?Clearly this is a motivational ploy for Ball
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unckeyherb
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Anderson has looked like garbage and ball is still getting the bulk of the carries . I simply don't believe there is any reliable talk of ball getting benched.
hxperson
Footballguy
I can see them benching Ball, but benching him for Anderson just seems silly. CJ is less experienced than Ball, was a UDFA (compared to the 2nd round pick they've invested in Ball), and hasn't really played better anyway. I get that fantasy guys tend to react like the sky is falling when a top 10-15 draft pick isn't playing like a stud, but most teams don't actually operate that way.
He's had 11 carries in the 3 games haha.
And really he did pretty well with his first 9 (6.44 ypc)
I'm curious, how long do you think they give Ball to show something? Coming out of the bye, he's got ARZ/Jets/SF. 3 more stiff run D's
hxperson
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If you know they are stiff run D's, you don't think Denver's coaching staff knows that as well? So if Ball doesn't do amazing against those teams, you really think CJ will do great against them? And if CJ doesn't, then why would the coaches bench Ball for him?
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unckeyherb
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Barring a 2 fumble game and/or a few blown assignments that lead to Peyton getting lit up I don't understand how they could bench Ball, honestly.
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rjv
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CJ hasn't looked like garbage. Don't claim stuff that isn't true. I drafted ball in the beginning of the 3rd, but even I can see CJ has been looking much more explosive and running with purpose whereas Ball has not that's why I backed up ball with CJ.I understand ball was drafted really high but don't let your emotions get in the way of the obvious.
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unckeyherb
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need2know
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Chaka
Footballguy
Gildz stop stating what you hope to happen as if it is something that will actually happen.
Benching Ball is pure speculation by Cecil and you are merely repeating his pure speculation as if it somehow a fact.
Ball doesn't have to be spectacular to remain the starting RB in Denver, he just needs to be better than CJ and Hillman, which he has been since he arrived.
Benching Ball is pure speculation by Cecil and you are merely repeating his pure speculation as if it somehow a fact.
Ball doesn't have to be spectacular to remain the starting RB in Denver, he just needs to be better than CJ and Hillman, which he has been since he arrived.
Ummm... technically speaking, if FBGs is talking about it, then ESPN is, too. Cecil *IS* their guy in the locker room.
I haven't seen any rumblings in print that Denver's brass is dissatisfied with Ball, though. Most of the stuff I'm reading is happy to spread the blame around, like this:
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Montee-Ball-Run-game-needs-a-lot-of-work/0c64af10-10a2-422b-9885-7303c78980f0
Interseptopus
Footballguy
What I hope to happen? I don't own a single share of Anderson/Hillman. I actually just dropped the 1 share of Hillman that I did own prior to last week's game.
Cecil wasn't speculating, he said there are 'rumblings'. He didn't say this is what I think will happen... Take it as u will.
Again, I own 1 share of Ball...Frankly I thought getting him mid 2nd was a value. Now I won't claim that Anderson/Hillman are better, because they probably aren't. But that doesn't mean Ball is good either.
I also can see Hillman being a much bigger factor coming out of the bye. Playing 3 teams with fast front 7's that swarm all over the run, that doesn't cater to a slower, stiffer back like Montee.
cloppbeast
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I lost faith in Cecil after I backed up McGahee with Hillman. Cecil is less a journalist and more a wanna-be general manager.
JFS171
Footballguy
Or when Hillman was going to be the man the second time around.
Or when Hillman was going to be the passing down guy this time around.
Or pretty much any time with Ronnie Hillman.
cloppbeast
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I don't know about this Ronnie Hillman talk. You're going out on a limb, a very flimsy one.
they had hillman out there when they ran the same passing play 3 times in a row to score the game tying TD sunday
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I have to agree with this. I have been a FBG member since they created the site and the content was free. Cecil always was the Bronco “guru”. I understand that he’s got his finger on the pulse of the broncos a LOT better than me, but his “predictions” were always off, especially on the running back situation. He lost me completely when I went for Hillman also. Two years in a row I drank Cecil’s Kool-Aid. When your job is to know one thing, you think he’d do better. Local guys around in these parts are more on the pulse of the Packers and I get some pretty good info from them. I think it’s because they are journalists first, not pretending to be general managers/coaches.
Any talk about Hillman is in one ear and out the other. Permanently
Mile High
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This morning they were saying the RBs have been hit behind the line 25 times in 62 attempts. The rumblings I have heard is they are thinking of making changes to the o-line not the RBs other then they might be open to trading Hillman to open a spot for Bibbs who they are afraid might be signed off the practice squad by another team.
CowboysHomer
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The fact is Ball was great in blitz pickup against a tough Seattle defense. He spent most of the game cleaning up the mess from the offensive line. When he was actually getting handed the ball, he was usually getting hit at the same time or shortly thereafter.
If they are going to start benching people in Denver, they need to look at the five fat guys up front who can't seem to block anything for him first.
His job has always been to keep Peyton's jersey clean, and it is priority number one, two, three, four, five.
If they are going to start benching people in Denver, they need to look at the five fat guys up front who can't seem to block anything for him first.
His job has always been to keep Peyton's jersey clean, and it is priority number one, two, three, four, five.
Great point here. Ball has a tight grip on the starting job. That doesn't mean he's going to get many carries, but he's unlikely to lose his job at this point.
need2know
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Maybe now is a time to zig when others are zagging with Ball.
I would be more concerned if others were getting carries, but that's not happening. I also agree with the point about protecting Manning, which was something Moreno was known for.
Denver has another 3 weks of tough defensive matchups coming out of the bye, but after that weeks 8-15 look pretty nice. He should have a shot at some TDs coming up too, Denver will be getting a lead in some games certainly.
I would be more concerned if others were getting carries, but that's not happening. I also agree with the point about protecting Manning, which was something Moreno was known for.
Denver has another 3 weks of tough defensive matchups coming out of the bye, but after that weeks 8-15 look pretty nice. He should have a shot at some TDs coming up too, Denver will be getting a lead in some games certainly.
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Noah Davis
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Is he the next Bishop Sankey?Brewtown said:
need2know
Footballguy
Lets break down the first three weeks of montee balls production
Week1
Vs indy 23 carries for 67 yards w td. 2 rec 16 yards. Bad ypc but indy run def has been good so far this year. Limited mccoy the next week. 15 fps, not bad at all
Week2
Vs kc. 12 carries for 60 yards 3 rec for 30 yards. Better ypc but only 12 carries. Disappointing game as many thought denver would hammer kc but it turned out to be a close game and denvers offense sputtered at times. 9 fps. Not great but def take it with no td and only 12 carries
Week3
@ sea. 14 carries 38 yards 2 rec 6 yards 1 fumble. Run game was awful all game. 2 fps w fumble. It's not really that shocking when you consider it was in sea.
His average game will likely be like weeks 1/2 and he will prob have 2 to 3 games with multiple scores. Sounds like a rb I would like to start every week
Week1
Vs indy 23 carries for 67 yards w td. 2 rec 16 yards. Bad ypc but indy run def has been good so far this year. Limited mccoy the next week. 15 fps, not bad at all
Week2
Vs kc. 12 carries for 60 yards 3 rec for 30 yards. Better ypc but only 12 carries. Disappointing game as many thought denver would hammer kc but it turned out to be a close game and denvers offense sputtered at times. 9 fps. Not great but def take it with no td and only 12 carries
Week3
@ sea. 14 carries 38 yards 2 rec 6 yards 1 fumble. Run game was awful all game. 2 fps w fumble. It's not really that shocking when you consider it was in sea.
His average game will likely be like weeks 1/2 and he will prob have 2 to 3 games with multiple scores. Sounds like a rb I would like to start every week
short of injury, best Anderson owners could hope for is 50/50 split IMVHO. He could be the Bradshaw to Ball's TRich
Anderson owner also need to worry about the love Hillman was getting...probably a matter of time until he fumbles though
That's great, so when do those multiple score games come into play....Against ARZ/NYJ/SF ? Those 3 teams have combined to allow 2 td's in 9 games to opposing RB's. Good luck.
Ball's 1st awesome game won't come until week 8 vs SD. Not exactly thrilling for those who took him in the 1st/2nd...
shader
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
lol. ball went ahead of lynch in every single ffpc draft that i saw. he went ahead of murray in about half. his adp was well ahead of lynchs and a few spots ahead of murray in the ffpc. but ya, those guys dont know anything about ff.
and no, i didnt draft him. i was quite happy to take lynch in the 3rd round.
SaintsInDome2006
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He is a notoriously conservative coach, or was before McCoy/Gase and Manning took over things. Who knows how often Manning has checked out of runs.
I don't know what it is about some of the great QBs - Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning - when they get set up with a potentially great RB it seems like the sky is the limit, 'oh the space they'll have', 'the defense will be on their heels'.... but no what happens is that somehow or other defenses line up in such a way as to entice the QB to throw. Maybe they want that, you would think they would want the opponent to run, not pass because of the damage these guys can do. This almost never works out where you get a GREAT top-4 QB and a GREAT top-10 RB. Maybe Moreno last year, for a while, but that may have been an anomaly because of the Broncos' easy schedule and the way they were jumping on teams early with big leads. The schedule is tougher this year.
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need2know
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They may come during one of those games. Who knows? He will stay in my lineup so I don't miss it. My team is good enough to win without the same player scoring big every single week. I took ball late second btw
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I agree, although I fall on the other side of the divide and actually expect Ball to do pretty well, even against the tougher defenses coming up.
Gawain
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Back in my lineup over Davis/Taliaferro/D-Jax.
As long as he's getting the lion's share of the carries, at some point he'll have a very good game. He's still on pace for 1,152 combined yards and 5 TDs. Not at all what I hoped from him, but his only useless week was week 3 against Seattle. His 3.37 YPC is Richardson-esque, hopefully it gets better.
As long as he's getting the lion's share of the carries, at some point he'll have a very good game. He's still on pace for 1,152 combined yards and 5 TDs. Not at all what I hoped from him, but his only useless week was week 3 against Seattle. His 3.37 YPC is Richardson-esque, hopefully it gets better.
C.J. Anderson is a healthy scratch against Arizona. Ronnie Hillman is the #2. Montee Ball's job is still not in jeopardy.
Denver724
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