Moss' Agent says he is going to the Raiders (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Go Kelly Campbell

 

[Marvelous]

I'm still trying to understand how a team that is up for sale, and may have a sale pending, trades away it's biggest asset. Shouldn't that be the new owner's decision?

I think you put a couple of extra letters on asset.

 

[Muahahaha]

From the Star Tribune:

Instant Poll: About the Moss trade... Good riddance. 837 16%Bad news. It'll be a long time before the Vikes have a receiver as good again. 2574 49%Glad to see him go, but we should have gotten more. 1532 29%This trade should be only the beginning of the housecleaning. 355 7%

Over 5000 fans in Minny have already voted & 78% think it's a bad trade....

 

[Footballhead]

Excuse me...hellooooo there....yeah excuse a bit...anyhoo i got a couple of questionairenombre 1 who's going to work the slotnombre 2 are we going to see porter and moss whining to media about not getting enough ball thrown their way respectivelynombre 3 are we going to see K collins getting blitzed 99.99% of the time he snapsnombre 4 would the raiders have any run plays in their playbook this yearThank you in advancePS The raiders would be wise to deal away Porter since they have under contract; Moss, Gabreil and Curry is just as good as Moss, Porter, and either Gabreil or Curry.

 

[NYG Endzone]

CBS Sportsline

Report: Vikings ship Moss to Raiders for LB Harris, two picks Feb. 23, 2005Associated Press MINNEAPOLIS -- Randy Moss is heading for Oakland, the receiver's agent said Wednesday.Advertisement Dante DiTrapano, Moss' agent, told the Associated Press that the Minnesota Vikings and the Raiders had "come to an agreement on Randy playing for Oakland next year."The Vikings wouldn't confirm a deal."We have been in discussions with the Oakland Raiders, but there's nothing to announce," Rob Brzezinski, the team's vice president of football operations, told The Associated Press.DiTrapano said he didn't know the terms of the deal, but the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported the Vikings would get linebacker Napoleon Harris, along with the seventh overall pick and a late-round pick in the upcoming draft.The deal cannot become official until March 2, the start of the NFL's fiscal year.The flamboyant Moss had been the subject of trade rumors following this past season. He struggled with a hamstring injury and was fined $10,000 for pretending to pull down his pants and moon the Green Bay crowd during Minnesota's playoff win. He also drew criticism for leaving the field with 2 seconds left in a regular-season loss against Washington.On Tuesday, the Raiders re-signed Jerry Porter, their star wide receiver to a contract worth $20 million over five years. Porter could have become a free agent on March 2.

 

[Bojang0301]

This is going to hurt Moss fantasy-wise a lot more than it will hurt Daunte, especially if they bring in one of the cap casualties and/or Braylon.

Yeah, it's really going to hurt Moss to be the offensive centerpiece of a gameplan that calls for a lot of deep passes, because we all know he sucks at catching those.

No--he's been that for a while. What will hurt is having Kerry Collins throwing him the ball instead of Daunte. Lots of balls that Daunte gets to him won't ever even leave Kerry's hand.

I disagree Collins throws one of the best deep balls in the league and you see what happenend when he finally developed chemistry with Porter.

Collins can throw deep, but can he avoid the sack like Culpepper can?

No. Which is why, as I said, lots of balls that Daunte would have hit him with will never even leave Kerry's hand. The fact that we're holding Kerry Collins up to Daunte Culpepper is hilarious. Kerry is not nearly as good as Daunte, and Moss will feel the effect of that.

Yeah becasue George and Frerotte were just leaving people in their dust ala Mike Vick.

Jurb, your stealing my stuff... LOL. I completely agree. It won't do hurt or help Moss, IMO. He is still the no.1 WR in the league and will be fine.Can't type.

 

[10993]

This is going to hurt Moss fantasy-wise a lot more than it will hurt Daunte, especially if they bring in one of the cap casualties and/or Braylon.

Yeah, it's really going to hurt Moss to be the offensive centerpiece of a gameplan that calls for a lot of deep passes, because we all know he sucks at catching those.

No--he's been that for a while. What will hurt is having Kerry Collins throwing him the ball instead of Daunte. Lots of balls that Daunte gets to him won't ever even leave Kerry's hand.

I disagree Collins throws one of the best deep balls in the league and you see what happenend when he finally developed chemistry with Porter.

Collins can throw deep, but can he avoid the sack like Culpepper can?

No. Which is why, as I said, lots of balls that Daunte would have hit him with will never even leave Kerry's hand. The fact that we're holding Kerry Collins up to Daunte Culpepper is hilarious. Kerry is not nearly as good as Daunte, and Moss will feel the effect of that.

Yeah becasue George and Frerotte were just leaving people in their dust ala Mike Vick.

Jurb, your stealing my stuff... LOL. I completely agree. It won't do hurt or help Moss, IMO. He is still the no.1 WR in the league and will be fine.Can't type.

How can you type with any sort of intellectual honesty that going from Daunte Culpepper to Kerry Collins will neither help nor hurt Moss?

 

[EBF]

Historically, Moss has excelled regardless of who his QB has been.

 

[RustyFA]

Most of the time I hate being a Vikings fan!!! How could they have traded him for soooo little? The Vikes had $36 million to spend and now have $2 million more. Trading the best WR in the game for a decent LB and a 1st is a horrible deal. There had better be more to this. Like a 1st next year, Phillip Buchanon etc.Buchanon, Harris, and the 1st is more like it. The Vike fans got jobbed by Red McCombs once again.

 

[10993]

Historically, Moss has excelled regardless of who his QB has been.

There are different levels of excellence. Do you expect him to maintain the same with Kerry as with Daunte?

 

[jurb26]

How can you type with any sort of intellectual honesty that going from Daunte Culpepper to Kerry Collins will neither help nor hurt Moss?

In case you've missed the past 7 seasons of Moss' career (all of them). He has already played with 3 QBs at a minimum and really 4. 2 of which were not even remotly close to being "mobile." His stats have been just fine all 7 years. Me thinks its not that QB, but the talent of the WR in question here.

 

[EBF]

Historically, Moss has excelled regardless of who his QB has been.

There are different levels of excellence. Do you expect him to maintain the same with Kerry as with Daunte?

Pretty much. I think Culpepper needs Moss much more than Moss needs Culpepper. What makes Moss great is his downfield ability. Nearly any starting NFL QB can heave it forty yards downfield. That's half of what they need to do in order to be successful with Moss.

Kerry Collins isn't great, but he'll get the ball to Moss.

 

[jurb26]

Historically, Moss has excelled regardless of who his QB has been.

There are different levels of excellence. Do you expect him to maintain the same with Kerry as with Daunte?

Personally, I do. But I sure hope there are a lot more people out there who think like you. Mabye I will be able to nab Moss as the #3 WR off the board again much like I did 2 years ago!

 

[Couch Potato]

The Vike fans got jobbed by Red McCombs once again.

He keeps Tice. He gets rid of Moss.Ah, yes. Red gives the Vike fans the finger before riding off into the sunset.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Anybody think, if this goes through, that there will be too much head butting right from the get-go between these two ego's that neither one ends up productive? Porter ain't giving up #84 for Moss, and I can see some locker room brawls carrying over to the field....or not. That's just another angle.

 

[Sinrman]

I'll believe it when (and IF) it happens. Maybe I'm just blind by the thought of trading the most dynamic WR in NFL history since Jerry Rice would be a completely stupid move by Minnesota.... but hey, weirder things have happened!IF this were to turn out true, I think Oakland is getting an absolute steal. Love him or hate him, Moss would immediately bring Oakland back to glory. They would need a few more pieces filled, but they are on the cusp of the playoffs again with this move (again, IF true).Culpepper value = Collins value = MIN RBs (whoever comes out on top) = Porter = MIN WRs = too early to tell

 

[Mystery Achiever]

He also drew criticism for leaving the field with 2 seconds left in a regular-season loss against Washington.

Discussing on (local) espn radio yesterday how well Randy would fit with the Jets, they joked that leaving in the final minute wouldn't be a problem because with Jets clock mgmt, the game would be over before he got there.

 

[jimmy_cash]

just glad Moss is out of the NFC

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

It would be nice if ONCE the Vikings got the better end of a trade....I'm listening to KFAN right now and the fans are talking about this like this is a 'death in the family' or a miscarriage... There will be a candle light vigil tonight outside the players entrance of the Metrodome... **** you Red McCombs.

 

[VikingMan87]

It is never going to feel the same in Minny <-- w00t! Go Raiders!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Has anyone made the joke yet about a #7 really only being a #9 or #10 if Tice is running the show on draft day?If not, I'll claim that one.

 

[uwillbsoon]

First Herschel Walker, now this? C'mon Vikes, this is sad.I don't disagree with trading Moss. But you're getting a number 7, a decent LB and a low round pick. That is not even close to a good deal. Ditka gave up an entire draft to get Ricky Williams, who hadn't played an NFL snap, and all we can get is two picks and a starting LB for one of the best players in the history of the game?Again, Moss is getting old, he's coming off a serious hamstring injury, so I have no problems with shopping him. But this is Randy Moss we're talking about. 90 years from now are Viking fans going to be talking about the Randy Moss curse?

 

[ExtraPoint]

Yeah, I don't get this one...  There's no way the Vikings are a top ten offense without Moss.  And Napoleon Harris damn sure doesn't make their defense even top 15.  This trade is ######ed from a Vikings fan point of view.  Thirty-six million under the cap and guys like Kendrell Bell and Antonio Pierce available and yet they trade their best player for a decent linebacker.  Man, I hate being a Vikings fan.

Pepper threw for 3950 yards and 24 TDs this year that werent to Randy Moss. If they bring in a Burress/Muhammad/Mason, Pepper, and the Vikings offense(which returns Mike Rosenthal and Jim Kleinsasser) will be just fine.

They've been saying all offseason they are going to go with a much bigger rushing attack next year. With Kleinsasser coming back they should be able to. For fantasy this is not good news for Culpepper. The team might win more games though and whoever is starting at tailback could be huge for fantasy.

 

[The Amalgamated]

Am I dreaming this, or didn't John Clayton just report LAST NIGHT that there were talks about Moss to Oakland, but Moss was unwilling to restructure his deal, so it fell through.

Also mentioned was the fact that Moss would only go to Atlanta or Baltimore.

Actually it was Mortonsen (at least that's who I saw say that) and he did end by saying because of those things he felt a Moss trade was not gong to happen. Maybe the Raiders decided they don't need him to restructure or he just changed his mind.

 

[gman8343]

90 years from now are Viking fans going to be talking about the Randy Moss curse?

I don't think so. They never won with Randy -- The Babe brought the Sox championships, Randy... not so much.

 

[RustyFA]

Joey Galloway and Keyshawn are worth more than Randy? I HATE RED MCCOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fatness]

Pffttttt!!I think Champ Bailey just soiled his pants.

Champ Bailey has shutdown pants.

 

[placeholder10391]

i cant wait for the

"transplant wrs dont produce on their new teams in year 1" thread

I loved that one last year after the T.O. trade.Can someone pls. bump it?

 

[Tackling Dummies]

At least Davis is not signing a over-the-hill player, but Moss has his own baggage. Good luck Raider fans.

 

[Mik789fl]

O.K. here's my question. The Vikings look like their getting the short end of the trade losing a talent like Moss,but,will they be a better TEAM because of it given the distractions and attitude problems Moss is known for?

 

[datonn]

If we knew we could get Mike Williams at #7 overall, I actually don't mind the trade at all (as a Vikings fan). I don't know very much about Harris (which probably doesn't bode well as an indicator for how good he would be in Purple), but Williams, a FA vet receiver, and $15-$20+ million more that Red/Fowler/Taylor will HAVE to spend going toward the defensive side of the ball would actually make the Vikings look a lot more like a playoff contender than they did during the 2004 season with Moss.I wonder if the Vikings Brass are quietly worried about Moss losing a bit of his "burst" as a result of those hammie problems from last year. Moss at 29-30 running a 4.4-4.5 is scary....but not nearly as scary as a 25-26 year old Moss running a 4.3 or lower.....

 

[Slash]

but,will they be a better TEAM because of it given the distractions and attitude problems Moss is known for?

The only attitude problem Moss had in Minnesota is that he wanted to win, that kind of attitude doesn't go over in Minnesota.

 

[fatness]

I can't wait to see Moss get in Norv Turner's face during a game. Norv will just stand there and grimace, and mumble something in the postgame press conference about "Randy is a real competitive guy, he wants to win just like I do, mumble mumble....."

 

[cstu]

If we knew we could get Mike Williams at #7 overall, I actually don't mind the trade at all (as a Vikings fan). I don't know very much about Harris (which probably doesn't bode well as an indicator for how good he would be in Purple), but Williams, a FA vet receiver, and $15-$20+ million more that Red/Fowler/Taylor will HAVE to spend going toward the defensive side of the ball would actually make the Vikings look a lot more like a playoff contender than they did during the 2004 season with Moss.

I wonder if the Vikings Brass are quietly worried about Moss losing a bit of his "burst" as a result of those hammie problems from last year. Moss at 29-30 running a 4.4-4.5 is scary....but not nearly as scary as a 25-26 year old Moss running a 4.3 or lower.....

If Mike Williams is there, this could turn out to be an ok trade in the long run. Williams doesn't have the character issues Moss has and will be a great target for Culpepper. While I hate to see Moss get traded, especially to the Raiders, I do understand why the Vikings would want to trade him. The major concern with Moss is how long he would keep his elite speed and if he could continue to dominate if he lost his ability to blow my people. The Vikings probably made a good trade in the long-term, unless Moss learns to dedicate himself to football and is able to keep his speed.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

At least Davis is not signing a over-the-hill player, but Moss has his own baggage. Good luck Raider fans.

Yes, good one and you being a Patriots fan answer this question; wasn't Dillion suppost to have a bunch of baggage as well?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I know all this trade talk is good, but does this mean that my boy Lamont Jordan is not going to sign with the Raiders??????? Calling out Raiders Homers, do they have enough money for Lamont??? I hope Lamont is not greedy because this Oakland situation has me licking my lips.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Moss had just 767 yards last year...I'd imagine the Vikings would have been able to get A LOT more for Moss a year ago.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Anybody think, if this goes through, that there will be too much head butting right from the get-go between these two ego's that neither one ends up productive? Porter ain't giving up #84 for Moss, and I can see some locker room brawls carrying over to the field.

...or not. That's just another angle.

I don't see how Porter doesn't realize from the get go that he is Moss's b****. Moss is the big dog on that team if this happens.Besides, Moss doesn't have a particularly aggressive personality.

 

[jurb26]

Anybody think, if this goes through, that there will be too much head butting right from the get-go between these two ego's that neither one ends up productive? Porter ain't giving up #84 for Moss, and I can see some locker room brawls carrying over to the field.

...or not. That's just another angle.

I don't see how Porter doesn't realize from the get go that he is Moss's b****. Moss is the big dog on that team if this happens.Besides, Moss doesn't have a particularly aggressive personality.

The kid he beat up in high school may disagree with that statment. As a matter of fact I think he lurks these boards. Seriously though, even a WR with a big ego has to know that if Moss comes to town, you are playing 2nd fiddle in that passing game.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I know all this trade talk is good, but does this mean that my boy Lamont Jordan is not going to sign with the Raiders??????? Calling out Raiders Homers, do they have enough money for Lamont??? I hope Lamont is not greedy because this Oakland situation has me licking my lips.

Nope, but they can afford Davenport or Atrain

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I hope this is not the case I mean I would love Lamont to go there. I will remain optomistic I mean after Porter signed everyone thought there was no way Moss would go to Oakland.

 

[ericttspikes]

So McCombs did the supposed deal or Fowler? Fowler has to of o.k'ed it, no? Eventhough Moss is a freakshow, he is a moneymaker for the Queens. I don't see a lot of Nate Burleson jerseys out there. The NFC North blows, bad chemistry or not, it isn't hard to be competitive in the division with Moss and Culpepper on the field.I still like Duante if this trade goes down as he will be undervalued big time.

 

[cstu]

I know all this trade talk is good, but does this mean that my boy Lamont Jordan is not going to sign with the Raiders???????  Calling out Raiders Homers, do they have enough money for Lamont???  I hope Lamont is not greedy because this Oakland situation has me licking my lips.

Nope, but they can afford Davenport or Atrain

With a back-ended contract the Raiders could still afford Jordan after cutting Gannon and trading Woodson.

 

[ericttspikes]

...and even if Fowler doesn't get the Vikes, how does getting rid of a $$$$$ player like Moss help Red deal the team?

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Phillip Buchanon just has to be part of this deal... Buchanon+Harris + swap of first round picks sounds right. What is hard to believe is that no other team offered more???? I don't see the Vikings taking a WR at #7 or #18Maybe they can trade one of their RBs for a WR or got after a FA.

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

...and even if Fowler doesn't get the Vikes, how does getting rid of a $$$$$ player like Moss help Red deal the team?

if Moss was so valuable wouldn't more teams be after him? The real money is in TV rights not jersey selling.I think the Vikes are doing the right thing trading Moss, but they better get more then what is being reported.

 

[guderian]

I wonder how much Randy's injury and the "flake factor" played into this. When you are dealing with un-predictable players you have to wonder if the current team knows something that the rest of the NFL doesn't. Trading Ricky Williams (one of the few things the Saints did that turned out right) is an example. All of the Dolphins players, coaches and staff said they were "shocked" or "stunned" when he retired whereas the Saints "weren't surprised", etc. The Minnesota FO has to wonder what Moss is going to do next and if it will be even more detrimental to the team. Still, you think they could have gotten more compensation.

 

[Steel Dillo]

What will hurt is having Kerry Collins throwing him the ball instead of Daunte. Lots of balls that Daunte gets to him won't ever even leave Kerry's hand.

I don't know if its been covered because I didn't read the entire thread, but I don't know what you're basing the above opinion on.Collins wasn't sacked near as many times as Culpepper was. In fact, Culpepper was sacked almost twice as many times (46) as Collins was (25). That would lead me to believe that Collins would get the ball to Moss better than Culpepper did.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Jim Otto]

What will hurt is having Kerry Collins throwing him the ball instead of Daunte.  Lots of balls that Daunte gets to him won't ever even leave Kerry's hand.

I don't know if its been covered because I didn't read the entire thread, but I don't know what you're basing the above opinion on.Collins wasn't sacked near as many times as Culpepper was. In fact, Culpepper was sacked almost twice as many times (46) as Collins was (25). That would lead me to believe that Collins would get the ball to Moss better than Culpepper did.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[RAIDERNATION.]

I'll believe it when (and IF) it happens. Maybe I'm just blind by the thought of trading the most dynamic WR in NFL history since Jerry Rice would be a completely stupid move by Minnesota.... but hey, weirder things have happened!

IF this were to turn out true, I think Oakland is getting an absolute steal. Love him or hate him, Moss would immediately bring Oakland back to glory. They would need a few more pieces filled, but they are on the cusp of the playoffs again with this move (again, IF true).

Culpepper value =

Collins value =

MIN RBs (whoever comes out on top) =

Porter =

MIN WRs = too early to tell

The absence of Moss doesn't help Minnesota's RBs. It will hurt them.