Moss way better than Owens? (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

This topic is still hot huh?

Objectivism, subjectivism, statistics, three/five/seven year trends, insults...whatever.

Why can't people accept reality?     No WR causes more hair loss and sleepless nights for defensive coordinators than Randy Moss.  It's a fact, ask around.

Defensive coordinators play Randy Moss the same way they play every other elite WR in the league. They put their best CB on them. They double team that WR. They try to jam him at the line and put a safety behind to cover the deep pass. He beats, the coordinators cry. Do they not cry when Harrison blows by the safety for a 50yard catch and run? Do they not cry when Owens takes a slant pass to the endzone? They all give the coordinators fits when they gameplan. I agree Moss gives them more fits but not much more.The only difference that puts Moss clearly ahead is at the goalline. You can't stop him there. Even Plaxico Burress get double teamed.

Yes Moss is the better WR, I've already stated that many times, but Owens and Harrison are very close to him in terms of producing on the field and having coordinators gameplan for them. They make up for their deficiencies in talent in other ways.

And I'm not just a Moss hater. I hate both Moss and Owens equally. The more I think about these guys, the more I hate them. But I still respect their abilities.

:rotflmao: now that is funny

 

[jdoggydogg]

Also 75% might be accurate as I've already stated that Moss is more talented, but that's not the only thing that GMs look for. I'm sure if GMs evaluated Jerry Rice and Randy Moss solely on talent, then they would choose Moss over Rice as well because Rice never had the physical talents that Moss has.

Absolutely. Character is a factor when evaluating a player. But we are talking about Terrell Owens here, not Tim Brown. I won't repeat the long list of "Terrell Owens is a jerk" items. But it's not like Owens is a quantum leap higher than Moss in terms of character.

 

[jdoggydogg]

At the end of the day, I really don't think the statement "Owens couldn't hold Moss' jock strap" is valid. Moss may be better, but it's a matter of debate -- to basically say he makes Owens look like a ##### bag he's so much better seems ill-informed at best.

I agree that the statement is sensational, to say the least. But this guy isn't ill-informed.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I'm confused. TO is sick of loosing in SF and he throws a childish fit that not only alienates his teamates, but actually disrespects his QB and coach, let alone the res of the team. Demands trade to a contender and cries till he gets it. He is a "winner" because of it. A true competitor.

Exactly. Additionally, let's not forget that Owens called his QB gay, and accused his coach of throwing a game to help another NFL coach simply because they are friends.

 

[lipster26]

I'm confused. TO is sick of loosing in SF and he throws a childish fit that not only alienates his teamates, but actually disrespects his QB and coach, let alone the res of the team. Demands trade to a contender and cries till he gets it. He is a "winner" because of it. A true competitor.

Exactly. Additionally, let's not forget that Owens called his QB gay, and accused his coach of throwing a game to help another NFL coach simply because they are friends.

Well he never really demanded a trade to a contender. He was scheduled to be a free agent but his agent muffed up. The niners caved in when the technicalities were challenged. He was gonna leave the niners regardless at that point in time. If the Niners really wanted him back they would have given him an extension at the beginning of his last year and given him a ridiculous signing bonus and Owens would've been playing with Rattay at QB who he liked better. But they let his contract expire. Nonetheless the characters of Moss and Owens cancel each other out.

 

[jdoggydogg]

If the Niners really wanted him back they would have given him an extension at the beginning of his last year and given him a ridiculous signing bonus and Owens would've been playing with Rattay at QB who he liked better.

I mock the 49ers for being cheap these days. But they could have resigned Terrell. It would have cost them a fortune, though. And I think a team does have to ask the question: is a malcontent worth that much?

 

[jurb26]

If the Niners really wanted him back they would have given him an extension at the beginning of his last year and given him a ridiculous signing bonus and Owens would've been playing with Rattay at QB who he liked better. 

I mock the 49ers for being cheap these days. But they could have resigned Terrell. It would have cost them a fortune, though. And I think a team does have to ask the question: is a malcontent worth that much?

I can't think of many things that would have made less sense than SF resigning TO after the mess he created there. That along with their cap situation. They did the right thing. It may have been nice to have a WR of his caliber there for the development of the young QBs, but in all likelyhood he would have impeeded it by getting upset with them more than anything.

 

[lipster26]

If the Niners really wanted him back they would have given him an extension at the beginning of his last year and given him a ridiculous signing bonus and Owens would've been playing with Rattay at QB who he liked better.

I mock the 49ers for being cheap these days. But they could have resigned Terrell. It would have cost them a fortune, though. And I think a team does have to ask the question: is a malcontent worth that much?

I can't think of many things that would have made less sense than SF resigning TO after the mess he created there. That along with their cap situation. They did the right thing. It may have been nice to have a WR of his caliber there for the development of the young QBs, but in all likelyhood he would have impeeded it by getting upset with them more than anything.

I don't think there was any way that the Niners would've kept him. I believe I was mistaken, he had the option of declaring free agency and his agent failed to do that at the right time. So they could've kept him at his current contract for one more year but the opted to get rid of him. So it has been shown even with Moss that owners are looking at dollars and cents quite a bit more than talent.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I can't think of many things that would have made less sense than SF resigning TO after the mess he created there. That along with their cap situation. They did the right thing. It may have been nice to have a WR of his caliber there for the development of the young QBs, but in all likelyhood he would have impeeded it by getting upset with them more than anything.

Precisely. From a strictly financial standpoint, re-signing Owens would have hindered the 49ers' ability to sign other players. But given Owens' temprement, re-signing a player like that could spell trouble for a young team.Ironically, the 49ers haven't made a single significant free agent acquisition this year. I believe that was one of the reasons 49er brass gave for not re-signing Owens.

 

[jdoggydogg]

So it has been shown even with Moss that owners are looking at dollars and cents quite a bit more than talent.

I think that depends on the player. Tom Brady is about to (or recently did) sign a gigantic contract with the Patriots. I think teams are willing to shell out a ton of money for a talented player, or for a great team leader. But let's face it, if Brady was a great leader and a poor QB, he wouldn't see 1/10th the money he'll get this year.I guess to clarify, talent will almost always net the most money - over all other factors.

 

[lipster26]

So it has been shown even with Moss that owners are looking at dollars and cents quite a bit more than talent.

I think that depends on the player. Tom Brady is about to (or recently did) sign a gigantic contract with the Patriots. I think teams are willing to shell out a ton of money for a talented player, or for a great team leader. But let's face it, if Brady was a great leader and a poor QB, he wouldn't see 1/10th the money he'll get this year.I guess to clarify, talent will almost always net the most money - over all other factors.

Right, I was more meaning to say that teams are willing to sacrifice talent to save some money and grief that a malcontent player brings. But I guess for every team that is willing to give up malcontent talent, another team is willing to take that player in.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Right, I was more meaning to say that teams are willing to sacrifice talent to save some money and grief that a malcontent player brings. But I guess for every team that is willing to give up malcontent talent, another team is willing to take that player in.

No doubt. Remember Lawrence Phillips?