Most talented RB (skillset only) (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Who's da MAN!!!? Let say you had the best line in the NFL and could add a top talent rb...who would it be?

I left out : Bell/Duece/JJ/FWP/D.Foster and a few more as i didnt have enough room for em all.

For me it will differ alot from other as i think one of the top (talented) rb's isnt even starting yet.

Anyway im Torn between LT/Tiki/Bush/ and Perry .

Went with Tiki

 

[SoloMatisse]

Youve got Chris Perry dialed in as one of the top RBs in the league? There goes the neighborhood...keepin' it simple....dont throw backups in a stud conversation. Perhaps in a couple of years when the guy can prove himself, but for now eliminate him from your conversation, and go with LTs, LJs, Tikis, and SAs of the world. Theyre putting up #s, scoring long TDs, and STARTING for a reason.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Youve got Chris Perry dialed in as one of the top RBs in the league?  There goes the neighborhood...keepin' it simple....dont throw backups in a stud conversation.  Perhaps in a couple of years when the guy can prove himself, but for now eliminate him from your conversation, and go with LTs, LJs, Tikis, and SAs of the world.  Theyre putting up #s, scoring long TDs, and STARTING for a reason.

Ok i see your point but if you dont know then you dont know.....LJ was a backup that EVERYONE held in high regard and look at him now...I say going on talent alone...(not numbers or system) who's da man as far as talent goes. And i do believe Chris Perry have more talent than most on that list just didnt wanna throw that out there but since i was called out, I think he is about as talent as LT and Tiki..and have as much if not more talent than SA. LJ . to begin with. There system backs.....with some talent...makes a perfect combo for fantasy dominace, but thats not my point here. I also do believe Mr Reggie Bush is (really more talented than all those rb's aside from maybe Tiki......

I know i will get chewed up in here for my comments about Perry and Bush but thats what i take from watching them. And gaging there overall skillset.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Im feelin' ya UCB...he'll get his shot and we'll get to see if he's really the goods, but for now he's a backup. He can obviously catch the ball out of the backfield, and he has some moves. What kind of DURABILITY does he have? We dont know. How he's going to be looking touching the ball 400 times a year?...like your boy Rudi often does. Tougness is part of the skillset too, and until a guy has a chance to actually prove that, his skillset is incomplete imo. Dont get me wrong, I recognize the skills....seems like there's some potential. But I saw Chris Perry run alot at Michigan, and he always looked nice, but I never looked at him and thought 'elite back'. And "system backs"....thats a slap in the face to a RB whos getting it done in a big way. It aint easy to put up 17-1800 and 15 scores. I say youre puttin' up those #s, youve got a solid skillset no matter the system.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

No matter the system right.....Ugh....See Derrick Blaylock last year in KC.... Or anyone in Denver..... get my drift. Not taking anything away from LJ and SA but there system helps them alot IMO. As it did for Emmitt Smith as well.....he was a good rb. (not great....ala Barry Sanders). But thats debateable as well.

I see what you mean as far as durability goes and Perry hasnt shown that at all....Neither has DeShaun Foster and if this was about a few years back Mr. Fred Taylor would be one of my top talented rb's.....that guys was awesome and had plenty of just pure talent but injuries have taken a toll on him, as well as Mr. Faulk....But i agree with you on most what youre saying though.

 

[radballs.]

Hey guys. This thread actually has some potential. I guess in terms of RB value we need to clarify if we're just talking about next year (redrafts) or dynasty (keeper) values.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Neither actually but it could be used as a reference when we drafting on potential over situation, but i wouldnt go off of that with Vet players...maybe rookies but not the vets.

Alot of guys said Ronnie Brown was the complete package and some coaches said he was the best rb coming out since LT...so i wanna see how everyone feels about these certian rb's as far as talent....People also speak of MR.BUSH as the best rb prospect to come out since Faulk....thats saying alot....thus the reason for this thread....just so see what everyone is thinking, Maybe i should have left LT's name off as he's gonna run away with this.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Derrick Blaylock had FOUR TDs in one abberation of a game vs Atlanta that year in an ugly blowout, and besides that did very little, then got HURT. He was #2 ahead of LJ at the time, because Vermeil was a cryin, zany, knucklehead veteran loyalist that didnt want to give an obvious stud his shot yet. Reuben Droughns left Denver and put up some solid #s with one of the worst teams in the year in Cleveland. And Clinton Portis has continued to roll #s with a club that's system is at the opposite of end of the spectrum from Denver's. Im not confusing talent with opportunity, but until a guy gets something done, like LJ did when he stepped up the 2nd half of '04, he's just not worthy of being put in a conversation with obvious studs who are filming commercials and doing Hula dances and eating poi with a bunch of other studs in Hawaii.

 

[radballs.]

Neither actually but it could be used as a reference when we drafting on potential over situation, but i wouldnt go off of that with Vet players...maybe rookies but not the vets.

Alot of guys said Ronnie Brown was the complete package and some coaches said he was the best rb coming out since LT...so i wanna see how everyone feels about these certian rb's as far as talent....People also speak of MR.BUSH as the best rb prospect to come out since Faulk....thats saying alot....thus the reason for this thread....just so see what everyone is thinking, Maybe i should have left LT's name off as he's gonna run away with this.

I really think it's a good discussion. My only point was that player rankings depends on the time horizon that you may be looking at.

 

[radballs.]

You have to go LT2 here really. However, my second guy after him would probably be Clinton Portis. I really think he has the potential to really blow up this year.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Im thinking most along the lines of dynasty with Chris Perry and other similar players who have clear talent but are just shelved behind other solid players. Talent is not hard to spot...but opportunity/injury is hard to predict.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Derrick Blaylock had FOUR TDs in one abberation of a game vs Atlanta that year in an ugly blowout, and besides that did very little, then got HURT. He was #2 ahead of LJ at the time, because Vermeil was a cryin, zany, knucklehead veteran loyalist that didnt want to give an obvious stud his shot yet. Reuben Droughns left Denver and put up some solid #s with one of the worst teams in the year in Cleveland. And Clinton Portis has continued to roll #s with a club that's system is at the opposite of end of the spectrum from Denver's. Im not confusing talent with opportunity, but until a guy gets something done, like LJ did when he stepped up the 2nd half of '04, he's just not worthy of being put in a conversation with obvious studs who are filming commercials and doing Hula dances and eating poi with a bunch of other studs in Hawaii.

Portis was the highest RB drafted by Shannhan.....was suppose to be a 1st rounder but slipped into the 2nd when he gobbled him up....so take him out of that but as for as Droughans...I agree with you, he was a fullback in detroit, but was a rb in college, and he did do quiet well behind a shabby line....reminds me alot of Dom Davis....Plays with Passion and heart...plus he's pretty tough. But skill wise....hmmmm i dunno. Portis yeah, he's up there. I know yall saw him at Miami....we all could see he had what it takes to excel just he was little...compared to most rb's.Nice points though.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Any one remeber what LT said of the talent known as MR.REGGIE BUSH?......thats saying alot from the best rb in the nfl right now.......

 

[SoloMatisse]

Any one remeber what LT said of the talent knows as MR.REGGIE BUSH......thats saying alot of the best rb in the nfl right now.......

No...what did he have to say? Didnt get to hear it.. .high praise?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

As far as Portis (my dynasty rb) Some could argue he will be top 3 next year when you factor in he already had a nice O-line and now adding Al Saunders and another year in there system, he could be even better.....The way he came on at the end of the season leads me to believe that he will have a strong year in 06 (injuries withstanding.)

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Any one remeber what LT said of the talent knows as MR.REGGIE BUSH......thats saying alot of the best rb in the nfl right now.......

No...what did he have to say? Didnt get to hear it.. .high praise?

Let me see if i can find that quote, but it was high praise a they worked out together....who all owns the 1.01 rookie pick.....

But let me see if i can find that quote, it was on sportscenter.

 

[SoloMatisse]

As far as Portis (my dynasty rb) Some could argue he will be top 3 next year when you factor in he already had a nice O-line and now adding Al Saunders and another year in there system, he could be even better.....The way he came on at the end of the season leads me to believe that he will have a strong year in 06 (injuries withstanding.)

I dont want to scare you, but Washington is nearly $30mil over the cap, and theyre about to make some major changes. Dont expect them to win 10 again next season. I like Portis, but Im betting his #s arent what they were this year.

 

[Kirby]

I can see the Perry argument. He probably has the best hands in the league at RB, he's got good speed and can run through you.

 

[ExaltedOne]

As far as Portis (my dynasty rb) Some could argue he will be top 3 next year when you factor in he already had a nice O-line and now adding Al Saunders and another year in there system, he could be even better.....The way he came on at the end of the season leads me to believe that he will have a strong year in 06 (injuries withstanding.)

I dont want to scare you, but Washington is nearly $30mil over the cap, and theyre about to make some major changes. Dont expect them to win 10 again next season. I like Portis, but Im betting his #s arent what they were this year.

They are $30mill over the cap every offseason and they always manage to add some big time players. Trust me, Dan Snyder and his team know how to negotiate and work the numbers.

 

[MLBrandow]

Certainly "best" and "most talented" have two different connotations..... as far as most talented I'm sure it's LT....

as far as who's the best, I'd say that Larry Johnson is probably the best RB in the league. The guy is the second coming of Jim Brown.... except he's an inch shorter.

And he doesn't wear those funny hats.

 

[houndirish]

Fantasy football isn't supposed to factor into the equation right? I'm making this interpretation based simply on the RB's skill set. The team around him is irrelevant?

I still went with Tomlinson. I think the only knock on him is he tends to wear down with minor injuries. But besides that he's got the speed, moves, hands, and versatility you want in a back. He isn't asked to block as much as some of the other guys but I've never thought of him as a liability in this area.

I think Tiki Barber is next on my list. Either him or Ed James. My biggest knock on Barber is the lack of breakaway speed. He can get to the open field a lot but he can't always finish those long runs. However Tiki is excellent in the other phases of the game (Blitz pickup, receiving, etc.). James doesn't really have a weakness either, unless you count the knee injury, which I'm not sure if that's supposed to apply in this case.

 

[houndirish]

As far as Portis (my dynasty rb) Some could argue he will be top 3 next year when you factor in he already had a nice O-line and now adding Al Saunders and another year in there system, he could be even better.....The way he came on at the end of the season leads me to believe that he will have a strong year in 06 (injuries withstanding.)

I dont want to scare you, but Washington is nearly $30mil over the cap, and theyre about to make some major changes. Dont expect them to win 10 again next season. I like Portis, but Im betting his #s arent what they were this year.

They are $30mill over the cap every offseason and they always manage to add some big time players. Trust me, Dan Snyder and his team know how to negotiate and work the numbers.

Not to threadjack but in one of Lenny P's recent articles he cited an unnamed AFC GM who manages the cap for his team, who stated that the Redskins will be unable to comply with the cap if the CBA isn't extended. The major points of the story were that the big ticket players who'd need to be released would still carry a heavy cap hit to the point it wouldn't necessarily provide them with any relief. The only way they'd be able to get under the number is rework contracts to minimal amounts and pay out the players with guaranteed bonuses. It was an interesting read in that the common perception is that the Redskins would be one of the teams who'd love to move forward without the restraint of a cap, when in fact they'd be handcuffed this coming season and would have major problems. I'll see if I can find the link.

 

[Garts]

Derrick Blaylock had FOUR TDs in one abberation of a game vs Atlanta that year in an ugly blowout, and besides that did very little, then got HURT. He was #2 ahead of LJ at the time, because Vermeil was a cryin, zany, knucklehead veteran loyalist that didnt want to give an obvious stud his shot yet. Reuben Droughns left Denver and put up some solid #s with one of the worst teams in the year in Cleveland. And Clinton Portis has continued to roll #s with a club that's system is at the opposite of end of the spectrum from Denver's. Im not confusing talent with opportunity, but until a guy gets something done, like LJ did when he stepped up the 2nd half of '04, he's just not worthy of being put in a conversation with obvious studs who are filming commercials and doing Hula dances and eating poi with a bunch of other studs in Hawaii.

Portis was the highest RB drafted by Shannhan.....was suppose to be a 1st rounder but slipped into the 2nd when he gobbled him up....so take him out of that but as for as Droughans...I agree with you, he was a fullback in detroit, but was a rb in college, and he did do quiet well behind a shabby line....reminds me alot of Dom Davis....Plays with Passion and heart...plus he's pretty tough. But skill wise....hmmmm i dunno. Portis yeah, he's up there. I know yall saw him at Miami....we all could see he had what it takes to excel just he was little...compared to most rb's.Nice points though.

Actually, Tatum Bell was the highest RB ever drafted by Shanhan, NOT Portis. Bell went 41st in 2004 and Portis went 51st in 2002.

 

[Koya]

LT, without question... as the results seem to demonstrate.

Speed, acceleration, stopping, agility, blocking, receiving, vision, power. Truly the whole package.

He is emmitt with more running ability. Thats good.

 

[Biabreakable]

You have to go LT2 here really. However, my second guy after him would probably be Clinton Portis. I really think he has the potential to really blow up this year.

I agree with this.I think definition of what "skill set" is needs clairification.

1. Speed. Can the rb break long gains and turn the corner making defenses cover the whole field?

2. Acceleration. Can the rb get to the hole quickly enough for consistent positive yards and change gears to make defenders miss?

2. Toughness. Can the rb handle multiple carries in a row without getting tired or wearing down? Also a factor later in the game.

3. Agility. Can the rb make defenders miss and change direction to the right hole in the defense?

4. Vision. Does the rb consistently choose the best path to positive yardage?

5. Breaking tackles. Does the rb run through tackles and with power? Agility is also a way a rb can break tackles. This would also include getting yards after contact which some rbs are better at than others.

5. Age. Rbs wear down as they get older. A younger player is still growing/improving.

6. Versitality. Can the rb be successful on multiple types of plays and systems? LT has a great passer rating on top of everything else he does well.

7. Recieving. Can the rb catch the ball well making him a dual threat and on more down/distance situations.

8. Blocking. Can the player pick up the blitz and help out on plays that he does not touch the ball?

Feel free to add more to this if I left anything out.

Based on this criteria I see LT being the best of the best. I like Portis next because my answer is yes to all of these factors with him. The rest of the Rbs may have one or more flaws in thier game. Or may just not be as good at one of these things as other rbs are.

 

[trader jake]

L2 and R2 moves

darren sproles? LT2 in a boatrace. i'd like to see what SA could do behind a different line...i think he'd be just fine but he'd at least get more recognition from some FBG's (who still don't give him credit) for his incredibable run the past few seasonspre-injury willis mcgahee was better than reggie bush is now imo

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Okay im gonna ignore the 70+ votes for LT as i should have said aside from LT who is the next best talented rb......

So far it seems its LJ, Portis and Ronnie Brown.....

No votes for McGahee??? Thats interesting....

No votes for Bush....? Also interesting...