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MSU in the Crosshairs - Lawsuit Alleges MSU Encouraged Woman not to Report Rape by Basketball Players; Ohio State University Doctor Abused 177 Athlete (1 Viewer)

Peak

Footballguy
Have you read the article?  It's actually very well written and more in-depth/intriguing than what the headline indicates.  Many read the headline and completely ignore the content/intent.  

The author makes a great point that many (not just the school, but even the news) didn't take this story as seriously as they should have when incidents were first being reported.  A running theme of "We should be making a bigger deal of this" is found throughout this entire article.  I know many have panned it online because they think 11w is trying to make a joke of things, but once you read it you see how serious it should have been taken by the school and other officials a long time ago.  That's when the headline really gets you, if Nasser had been selling unlicensed MSU t-shirts, the school would've found out almost immediately and shut it down.  Yet there isn't a similar protocol for these types of abuse/molestation incidents.

 

Da Guru

Fair & Balanced
Not only did he ignore complaints about sexual abuse of prisoners, he stonewalled a Justice Department investigation into the allegations.  Michigan eventually paid over $100 million to settle the claims.

http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor

It appears the trustees also had decided on Engler the day before an open meeting in which they promised to involve the faculty and students in the process.
Shocked they picked a hard core Republican to lead MSU

 

Tom Servo

Nittany Beavers
Not only did he ignore complaints about sexual abuse of prisoners, he stonewalled a Justice Department investigation into the allegations.  Michigan eventually paid over $100 million to settle the claims.

http://www.bridgemi.com/public-sector/msu-interim-president-john-engler-was-dismissive-sexual-assault-claims-governor

It appears the trustees also had decided on Engler the day before an open meeting in which they promised to involve the faculty and students in the process.
:shark:

 

Moe.

Footballguy
Have you read the article?  It's actually very well written and more in-depth/intriguing than what the headline indicates.  Many read the headline and completely ignore the content/intent.  

The author makes a great point that many (not just the school, but even the news) didn't take this story as seriously as they should have when incidents were first being reported.  A running theme of "We should be making a bigger deal of this" is found throughout this entire article.  I know many have panned it online because they think 11w is trying to make a joke of things, but once you read it you see how serious it should have been taken by the school and other officials a long time ago.  That's when the headline really gets you, if Nasser had been selling unlicensed MSU t-shirts, the school would've found out almost immediately and shut it down.  Yet there isn't a similar protocol for these types of abuse/molestation incidents.
I don't want to speak for @roadkill1292 but given his posting history I think he's in agreement with you/the article. 

 
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SofaKings

Footballguy
MSU students called for President Sue to step down. Then, when a replacement is needed they protest the choice because he's a straight, white male.  Qualifications be damned, get them Wanda Sykes!

I also liked the student jumping on the table during the trustee meeting.

It's near impossible to make the trustees look good, but these students are trying their damndest.  
It's amazing that they are questioning the interim appt of Engler and Blanchard. They don't need an academic right now they need people that can wade thru and clean up the enormous pile of crap that has and will continue to be dropped on the university as the investigation goes forward. Do they really want Joel Ferguson and Mitch Lyons as the face of MSU right now?

 

Tom Servo

Nittany Beavers
It's amazing that they are questioning the interim appt of Engler and Blanchard. They don't need an academic right now they need people that can wade thru and clean up the enormous pile of crap that has and will continue to be dropped on the university as the investigation goes forward. Do they really want Joel Ferguson and Mitch Lyons as the face of MSU right now?
Given their recent past of screwing up, let's not take anything for granted, shall we?

 

Tom Skerritt

Footballguy
Hopefully there's not a jury in the world that will convict that Dad.
The judge told the courtroom something to the effect of... " We cannot act like this... or... This is not how the judicial system works". To which the dad responded... "You haven't lived through it lady!"

Love this guy.

 

baymen

Footballguy
The judge told the courtroom something to the effect of... " We cannot act like this... or... This is not how the judicial system works". To which the dad responded... "You haven't lived through it lady!"

Love this guy.
Actually teared up a little watching the video.  The pain and suffering this scumbag inflicted on his victims and families is horrifying.  

 

mr. furley

Footballguy
The judge told the courtroom something to the effect of... " We cannot act like this... or... This is not how the judicial system works". To which the dad responded... "You haven't lived through it lady!"

Love this guy.
http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Judge-Victims-father-tries-to-attack-Nassar-472340413.html

dad's going to get locked up. maybe if he's lucky long enough to get a real shot at Nassar.

eta: wait a second. why the #### are media outlets broadcasting the guy's name and that he had 3 daughters who testified about Nassar. jesus. that's worse than what the dad tried to do.

 
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mr. furley

Footballguy
there's more video of when Nassar returns to the courtroom

you can see in his eyes, he knows what just happened is a preview to his future. he's going to live in utter fear until he either kills himself or someone kills him in prison. 

 

Doug B

Footballguy
there's more video of when Nassar returns to the courtroom

you can see in his eyes, he knows what just happened is a preview to his future. he's going to live in utter fear until he either kills himself or someone kills him in prison. 
I wonder if he'll be put in general population? I had thought prisoners like Nasser, Jared Fogle, etc. were typically shielded somewhat in the prison system.

 

Doug B

Footballguy
eta: wait a second. why the #### are media outlets broadcasting the guy's name and that he had 3 daughters who testified about Nassar. jesus. that's worse than what the dad tried to do.
With the dad's face so prominent on camera, his identity was as good as released, anyhow, regardless of what the broadcast media did. His identity would've been revealed on Reddit within the hour.

And ... understandable or not, the guy did willfully make himself into a news story :shrug:  I would think he would be mostly supported by the public at large, while drawing a mixed reaction from the legal profession.

 

otb_lifer

Footballguy
I wonder if he'll be put in general population? 
no, he certainly will not be - but, there is only so much shielding that can be done from those in his "sector", so to speak - see Jeffrey Dahmer ( though he consented to be released into a less secure situation after a year in confinement).  

 

jabarony

Footballguy
What clueless bailiffs.  That's the time a 10 second coughing fit comes on.  Or you trip over a chair...something!

 

tri-man 47

Footballguy
I understand the dad's rage, but the look on the face of one of his daughters (as she says "dad" and covers her mouth) tells me it wasn't worth it.  Unfortunately, he made the day about him instead of fully about his daughters' opportunity to find some degree of healing.

Glad the charges were dropped.

 

Tom Skerritt

Footballguy
I understand the dad's rage, but the look on the face of one of his daughters (as she says "dad" and covers her mouth) tells me it wasn't worth it.  Unfortunately, he made the day about him instead of fully about his daughters' opportunity to find some degree of healing.

Glad the charges were dropped.
I disagree. I'd bet that they feared that their father would be hurt or worse. But I'd also bet that they think their father is the biggest hero around right about now. 

 

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
That dad's going to get something, but doubt it will be jail time.

I didn't realize Nasser was still being sentenced and that there were still victims and families speaking in the courtroom. Separate charges altogether, I may assume?
different county I believe

 

facook

Footballguy
there's more video of when Nassar returns to the courtroom

you can see in his eyes, he knows what just happened is a preview to his future. he's going to live in utter fear until he either kills himself or someone kills him in prison. 
Crazy, can't believe Sandusky is still alive.  Every day he that goes by and he isn't shivved surprises me.

 

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
That dad's going to get something, but doubt it will be jail time.

I didn't realize Nasser was still being sentenced and that there were still victims and families speaking in the courtroom. Separate charges altogether, I may assume?
yep separate charges, different county.  The charges in this case focus on his work with Twistars, an elite Michigan gymnastics club.

 
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BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
From Interim President Engler...

To the MSU campus community:

On this second day of my second week as interim president, I think it is important to address several matters many of you have raised with me.

Everyone knows the Nassar case is an international story. As he begins serving his sentence in a federal prison in Arizona, we are all still struggling to comprehend the extent of the damage he inflicted on so many girls and young women, and on their families.

Questions about how this could have happened and what must be done to prevent it from ever happening again are the subject of multiple inquiries. At the federal level, the U.S. Department of Education is conducting a Clery program review, the U.S. Senate has requested information, and the U.S. House of Representatives has two inquiries underway. The NCAA also is seeking information from us. In Michigan, the House of Representatives is requesting production of documents and the Attorney General’s Office, at MSU’s request, is conducting an investigation.

Add to these an accreditation agency inquiry and an ongoing blizzard of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, and the volume of compliance deadlines Michigan State University faces is daunting. Last week alone, we turned over data equivalent to some 45,000 pages of documents, emails, and other materials to William Forsyth, the independent special counsel who is heading the investigation for the Attorney General’s Office.

MSU is committed to cooperating with all official requests, and I’m grateful for the cooperation that faculty and staff have given the General Counsel’s office and the law firms that are assisting the university.

While the investigations are ongoing, activity in lawsuits representing well over 100 survivors continues to move forward. I’m following the progress closely as we work to return to mediation and, I fervently hope, a just resolution that helps the survivors bring some closure to this horrific chapter in their lives. Michigan State, too, needs to heal and to emerge a stronger institution, one where safety, respect, and civility are hallmarks.

That is not a new expectation. The University Policy on Relationship Violence & Sexual Misconduct states from the outset: “Michigan State University is committed to maintaining a learning and working environment for all students, faculty, and staff that is fair, humane, and responsible—an environment that supports career and educational advancement on the basis of job and academic performance…. Relationship violence, stalking, and sexual misconduct are not tolerated at Michigan State University.”

It is a privilege to call ourselves Spartans, one that carries a responsibility to adhere to standards of behavior, on campus and off, that should be well understood by all.

We know from Title IX reports that a large proportion of our sexual assaults happen on campus, that all too often those involved are familiar with each other, and that alcohol consumption is often involved. We can do better with our campus relationship climate, and I’ll continue reaching out to people and groups in the days ahead for advice and suggestions that can move us toward the kind of campus we all want to be associated with.

Finally, I viewed with great concern a recent ESPN report that gathered considerable national attention in no small part because it showed a promotional graphic of our head football and men’s basketball coaches with Larry Nassar. This was a sensationalized package of reporting that contained allegations and insinuations that we are now reviewing. The coaches were asked to refrain from comment while the reports were examined. That has been a burden that must be lifted. I hope that MSU can soon respond in full and affirm the integrity and probity that has been the hallmark of these two respected coaches.

It isn’t easy to live under a microscope. I’m proud of how so many members of the Spartan community have expressed concern for the survivors in so many ways. I’m pleased—but frankly not surprised—by the willingness of so many to commence the hard work of making real change in order to achieve an environment that truly is fair, humane, and responsible. To that I would add safe and civil.

I’m fully aware that there is a lot of work to do and not much time to do it. I appreciate your support as we together address the urgent tasks in front of us. Because this is how Spartans show their will.

Sincerely,

John Engler

President

 

whoknew

Footballguy
Nassar’s ex-boss accused of sexual misconduct at MSU

Larry Nassar’s former boss is facing accusations he used his own office to harass, discriminate, demean, proposition and sexually assault female students at Michigan State University.

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Michigan State Police Lt. Ryan Pennell outlined the case against Strampel in a court affidavit, which included accusations again Strampel by four women. Investigators said they also discovered pornographic videos on Strampel's work computer at MSU and a video of Nassar performing his "treatment" on a young female patient.

 

Tom Servo

Nittany Beavers
Nassar’s ex-boss accused of sexual misconduct at MSU

Larry Nassar’s former boss is facing accusations he used his own office to harass, discriminate, demean, proposition and sexually assault female students at Michigan State University.

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Michigan State Police Lt. Ryan Pennell outlined the case against Strampel in a court affidavit, which included accusations again Strampel by four women. Investigators said they also discovered pornographic videos on Strampel's work computer at MSU and a video of Nassar performing his "treatment" on a young female patient.
And on we go...

 

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
Hopefully Klages and that trainer that shamed the girls into keeping quiet are next in line.

 
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Tom Servo

Nittany Beavers
UGH!

Victim 1: Strampel had sexual conversation with her at a meeting where she was appealing a test score. Then Strampel allegedly brought up nude photos. The victim “interpreted those statements as a request to send him nude photographs in exchange for special consideration”

— Chris Haxel (@ChrisHaxel) March 27, 2018
Victim 2: Strampel allegedly degraded her appearance and told her to “dress like a woman.” Also threatened to “run her out of the college.” At a later event she alleges he grabbed her “left buttock and gripped it firmly”

— Chris Haxel (@ChrisHaxel) March 27, 2018
Victim 3: Allegedly met with Strampel regarding a bad test score. He “suggested that she become a centerfold model” then told her she could retake exam in exchange for a “favor.” Victim said she understood him to be asking for a sexual favor.

— Chris Haxel (@ChrisHaxel) March 27, 2018
Victim 4: At the college ball, she “Was standing near the dance floor when Strampel approached her from behind and grabbed her right buttock.” Afraid to be kicked out of medical school, she initially declined to report the incident.

— Chris Haxel (@ChrisHaxel) March 27, 2018

 

Sinn Fein

Footballguy
MSU spent $500,000 monitoring victims' social media accounts - in January

EAST LANSING - A public relations firm billed MSU for more than $500,000 for January as it tracked social media activity surrounding the Larry Nassar case, which often included the accounts of victims and their families, journalists, celebrities and politicians.

Probably could have saved a lot of time and trouble if they had just asked the victims to come in and give a statement for free.

I guess there are no more state funds to fix the water in Flint:

As of March 2, the university had been billed for $9.69 million by outside law firms and consulting firms in connection with work on lawsuits or communications strategy related to Nassar's criminal case and related fallout. Nassar, a former university doctor, sexually abused hundreds of women and girls over his 20-year career.

Nearly all of that sum — $9 million — has been billed by six different law firms, according to records obtained by the State Journal. 

However, that total doesn't include any work performed by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom this year. As of early March, the New York-based law firm has billed MSU for $5.4 million, more than any other law firm. It also doesn't include work by Los Angeles-based law firm Latham & Watkins LLC, which is handling insurance matters related to Nassar and has billed the university for $2 million. It has two attorneys billing at least $1,100 an hour.

 

whoknew

Footballguy
Lawsuit: 3 Michigan State Basketball Players Raped Woman in 2015; University Encouraged Her not to Report

Three Michigan State basketball players raped a student in 2015, one week after the Final Four, and the university coerced the woman not to report it to authorities, according to a federal lawsuit filed Monday.

The case, which was filed in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Michigan Southern Division, alleges three unnamed players — identified only as John Doe 1, 2 and 3 — took the 18-year-old, first-year female Jane Doe home from an East Lansing bar between the evening of April 11, 2015 and the morning of April 12.

The woman never reported the alleged sexual assault to police, said Karen Truszkowski, the woman’s attorney.

“I think the complaint kind of speaks for itself,” Truszkowski said, declining further comment.

Emily Guerrant, MSU’s vice president and university spokesperson, said the university does not comment on pending litigation.  It is the latest allegation of sexual assault within the university’s athletic department that has been under scrutiny since 2015 by the federal Office for Civil Rights, which determined MSU’s handling of some Title IX cases had created a “hostile environment” on campus for individuals who complained about relationship violence or sexual misconduct and found there was confusion among MSU’s athletic department staff about who should report sexual assault claims to the university’s investigation office.

A message for the MSU athletic department was not immediately returned.

The woman, who remains a student at MSU, alleges she was at Harper’s Bar when the Spartans’ basketball team arrived after midnight. One of the players offered to buy her a drink and asked if she would like to meet “other guys” from the team. The woman, who was a sports journalism major, alleges one of the players then invited her to a party at an apartment and one player “lied” and told the woman her roommate was on her way to the party.

The lawsuit says the woman was having a difficult time holding her glass, though she said she did not have a lot to drink. She then accepted a ride to the party from two players — the party was at one of their off-campus apartments — and there was no party and her roommate was not there.

The lawsuit alleges the woman “was feeling discombobulated” and tried to send a text but could not control her thumbs and believed she may have been drugged. Then the first player allegedly pulled her into a bedroom and told her, “You are mine for the night.”

After the woman asked for water and to see basketball memorabilia, the second player then took her to another room when the lights went out.

According to the lawsuit, the woman said she was forcefully thrown face-down onto the bed and held so she could not move while the second player raped her from behind. The woman was crying and could not speak, her lawsuit claims, and she did not consent to the activity.

The lawsuit alleges the first player and a third player took turns raping her after the second player finished. The woman claims she does not remember anything until waking up on a couch a few hours later, then called a taxi back to her dorm. There, her roommate told her she did not know about a party. The roommate, the lawsuit states, had been looking for the woman. 

The lawsuit says on April 20, 2015, the woman reported the rape to a counselor at the Michigan State University Counseling Center and completed an initial intake and assessment. When she disclosed to the counselor the three men who allegedly raped her were MSU basketball players, the female counselor’s demeanor reportedly changed and told the alleged victim she needed another person in the room with them. According to the woman, it was not clear who the additional person was or why they were brought into the room.

According to the lawsuit, the MSU Counseling Center staffers then “made it clear to Plaintiff that if she chose to notify the police, she faced an uphill battle that would create anxiety and unwanted media attention and publicity as had happened with many other female students who were sexually assaulted by well-known athletes.” The staff members, per the court filing, then reportedly advised the woman they had seen a lot of these cases with “guys with big names” and the best thing to do is to “just get yourself better” implying to the woman it would not be in her best interest to report the incident to law enforcement.

The woman’s suit claims she was not advised to have a physical exam, seek medical treatment or have STD or pregnancy tests. It also alleges she was not notified of her federal Title IX rights, protections, and accommodations.

“Plaintiff was expressly told by MSUCC staff that ‘if you pursue this, you are going to be swimming with some really big fish,’” the lawsuit alleges.

The lawsuit says the woman then became “frightened” and did not report the alleged rape to either police or MSU’s Office of Institutional Equity. She also did not file a no-contact order and claims she was not advised by the university’s counselors of that option.

According to the lawsuit, the woman in October 2015 “had become so traumatized, depressed, and withdrawn to the point that she was admitted to the Sparrow Hospital outpatient psychiatric dayprogram for intensive psychiatric treatment.” She withdrew from classes that semester and, according to the lawsuit, explained to university officials she had been raped and was suffering from the trauma.

The lawsuit adds the university did not offer the woman academic assistance and was not referred to the Title IX office.

The woman resumed classes in January 2016 and changed her major. She saught private psychiatric care in February 2016 and remains on prescribed medication, according to the lawsuit.

 

whoknew

Footballguy
I swear, everyone in the MSU administration is the dumbest ####### person in the world. They are all tied for #1.

Link

 Michigan State University’s Board of Trustees and temporary president faced angry victims of Larry Nassar, their parents and supporters during a tumultuous meeting Friday that exposed how raw emotions remain as the university struggles to cope with the sex abuse scandal’s aftermath.

Addressing the trustees, Nassar victim Kaylee Lorincz, 18, gave the most explosive statement when she accused Interim President John Engler of secretly trying to settle her civil suit against MSU for $250,000 without her attorney being present.

Lorincz said Engler made the offer during a meeting March 28 when she and her mother, Lisa, signed up to speak at the trustees meeting. She said she told him what had happened to her with Nassar and how she hoped to help MSU heal and “make real change.”

Engler, she said, replied that MSU and Nassar’s victims couldn’t work together until the civil suits, filed by more than 250 women, were settled. Lorincz added that the interim president made those statements while Carol Viventi, appointed by Engler as vice president and special counsel to the president in February, was in the meeting.

"Mr. Engler then looked directly at me and asked, 'Right now if I wrote you a check for $250,000 would you take it?' When I explained that it’s not about the money for me and that I just want to help, he said, 'well give me a number.'”

Lorincz said the "felt like I was being bullied."

 

Koya

Footballguy
For a counselor to betray someone like that, and for a system to purposefully use that channel to protect their athletic program over the well being and mental health of the very students the University has already failed, is abhorrent beyond words.

 

whoknew

Footballguy
From the first victim to have come forward - 

Rachael Denhollander
@R_Denhollander
MSU Pres Engler lied to a sister survivor and said I met with him and demanded money. Truth: He's refused to meet with me when political leaders asked him to, and I've never discussed money with anyone. He, and the Board who chose him, must go.

 

Da Guru

Fair & Balanced
Koya said:
For a counselor to betray someone like that, and for a system to purposefully use that channel to protect their athletic program over the well being and mental health of the very students the University has already failed, is abhorrent beyond words.
MSU needs to clean house right now.   Every trustee must be released of duty ASAP.  Engler needs to step down today.

MSU trustees have been a joke around Michigan for decades.

 
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