Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

Wake up people. The destruction of America as we know it is your presidents explicit goal, in both words and actions. He feels that we need to destroy it in order to rebuild it in his image of what America should be. We've had some setbacks since the Democratic lawmakers took control of the country in 2006, but there's some hope that we can take the country back in 2012.

I remember that speech. You would think that when a guy says "My explicit goal is to destroy the United States" people wouldn't vote for him. Shows what I know.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Democratic lawmakers had control in 2006, and berated regulators as racist when they said we had a growing problem in the housing market.

That's a fact.

In a weird way it oddly mirrors this situation. Democrats have all the power in all branches of federal government. When people comment on the tastelessness of putting a mosque this close to ground zero they're labeled as racists. Same old card played by the Democrats that they always play. Back in 2006-2008 they were proping up the shaky Freddie/Fannie groups and heralding their ability to give poor people the dream of owning a house. Now they're proping up a shaky cult that expressly justifies murder in their own "holy book", simply to score some points by looking tolerant.

Qu'ran9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH So if I join your cult I can live? Got it. I did a lot of research on the Qu'ran as I readied for this battle, and there are plenty of websites out there that seek to justify this passage or "put it in context". Murder is still murder in the end. Those that know the Qu'ran, that study it with an unbiased eye are horrified by what they read.

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Much different than....oh say

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I don't think it's the the fact that people are commenting on the tastelessness of putting a building this close that are causing them to get labeled a bigot - probably more has to do with the comments in bold.

We could go back and forth putting up scriptures from the Koran and the Bible and show how violent it is. At the very least people seem to be saying that we civilized intelligent white folks are able to weed through those parts and pick up on the good parts of the religion and overall it's a good religion. However these backward people over there can't do the same and every one of them follows the book literally and is interested in killing all of us.

I highly doubt you went in with an 'unbiased' and open mind when looking at the Qu'ran.

Isaiah 13:16 "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

Exodus 32:27 ". . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."

Exodus 31:15 " . . . whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . "

 

[Mario Kart]

Xenu is God. Bow down to him and only him.

 

[Desert_Power]

i am pretty sure there is no need for a public investigation. if anyone debating this back and forth does not think the government is looking into ANYTHING and EVERYTHING these people are doing are kidding themselves.

That's a nice thought and all, but you're talking about two groups in ICE and Homeland Security that not only ignore an open sieve of illegal immigrants gushing into this country, but judging by the actions of the DOJ against the people of Arizona are probably under explicit instructions to do so.It is more important to this administration to appear diverse and tolerant than to address the security of this nation. How can that even be questioned? Have you listened to Obama's speeches, where he takes every opportunity to express his shame at American greatness? How sorry he is for what America has done? How one nation should not rise above the rest?

Wake up people. The destruction of America as we know it is your presidents explicit goal, in both words and actions. He feels that we need to destroy it in order to rebuild it in his image of what America should be. We've had some setbacks since the Democratic lawmakers took control of the country in 2006, but there's some hope that we can take the country back in 2012.

This crap is awful, you really need a better hobby.

But it's just shtick.

Which is worse: to spend a couple of hours a day hating on Muslims or to spend a couple of hours a day pretending to hate Muslims? I'm not sure, and frankly I don't care. What I am sure of is his insane posts are going to be on ignore going forward.

 

[CBusAlex]

We discuss Muslims all the time in this forum, why not discuss the very ugly and real side of it?

How exactly do you envision that discussion going?Poster A: They're executing homosexuals in Saudi Arabia!

Poster B: That's barbaric. Completely immoral.

Poster C: Yeah, that's ####ed up alright. Glad I don't live there.

...

...

Poster B: So... you guys wanna cyber?

I don't know, man. Maybe you have this need to constantly hear how right you are from like-minded people, but for most of us that's pretty boring.

 

[hammerva]

Democratic lawmakers had control in 2006, and berated regulators as racist when they said we had a growing problem in the housing market.That's a fact.In a weird way it oddly mirrors this situation. Democrats have all the power in all branches of federal government. When people comment on the tastelessness of putting a mosque this close to ground zero they're labeled as racists. Same old card played by the Democrats that they always play. Back in 2006-2008 they were proping up the shaky Freddie/Fannie groups and heralding their ability to give poor people the dream of owning a house. Now they're proping up a shaky cult that expressly justifies murder in their own "holy book", simply to score some points by looking tolerant.Qu'ran9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH So if I join your cult I can live? Got it. I did a lot of research on the Qu'ran as I readied for this battle, and there are plenty of websites out there that seek to justify this passage or "put it in context". Murder is still murder in the end. Those that know the Qu'ran, that study it with an unbiased eye are horrified by what they read.Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”Much different than....oh sayBut I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I am going out on a limb here but I am going to assume you are SERIOUSLY sexually repressed

 

[CBusAlex]

I can't read people's minds so I don't know whether Rauf is the moderate we hope he is or the radical that some fear. Choosing the closest available spot to Ground Zero, not offering a compromise in the face of public outcry, and choosing 9-11 of all dates to open the facility don't weigh in his favor.

See, I trust Rauf a lot more that the anti-mosque activists like yourself, whose stated goal is to destory all mosques, run Islam out of the country, and establish a Christian theocracy. Those are the sort of people that scare me.

 

[jamny]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

 

[timschochet]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

 

[timschochet]

Democratic lawmakers had control in 2006, and berated regulators as racist when they said we had a growing problem in the housing market.

That's a fact.

In a weird way it oddly mirrors this situation. Democrats have all the power in all branches of federal government. When people comment on the tastelessness of putting a mosque this close to ground zero they're labeled as racists. Same old card played by the Democrats that they always play. Back in 2006-2008 they were proping up the shaky Freddie/Fannie groups and heralding their ability to give poor people the dream of owning a house. Now they're proping up a shaky cult that expressly justifies murder in their own "holy book", simply to score some points by looking tolerant.

Qu'ran9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH So if I join your cult I can live? Got it. I did a lot of research on the Qu'ran as I readied for this battle, and there are plenty of websites out there that seek to justify this passage or "put it in context". Murder is still murder in the end. Those that know the Qu'ran, that study it with an unbiased eye are horrified by what they read.

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Much different than....oh say

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

The current use of quotes from the Qu'ran, taken out of context, is highly reminiscent of anti-Semitic propaganda of the 19th century, specifically the Protocol of the Elders of Zion, which took quotes from the Talmud out of context in exactly the same way. Do we really want to go down this path?

 

[Fennis]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

The trilateral commission is controlling this debate to distract us from the government's putting of fluoride in water. Guess which one you are http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/k...ime_1980491.jpg

 

[Woogie Lee]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Agree with Tim's chooch.

 

[jamny]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Although many people don't believe it, the reason that I and many other people opposed this originally wasn't anti-Muslim. For me it was to avoid a conflict. The people involved with the mosque knew there might be an issue early on (I'm looking for a link I saw from a long time ago to confirm, can't find it yet) but still went ahead with it. I can't help but ask why. If you know this has a chance to stir up a controversy, why go ahead with it?Imam Rauf obviously knew he had the legal right to build and would have a vocal support in favor. He needs to raise a lot of money that he doesn't have. Hmmm, what better way then to make it a global story and build interest. He's using the story and is now overseas collecting financing while the debate rages. And why did Obama get involved only days after Robert Gibbs said the Administration feels this is a local issue that should be resolved in NY?As for the opposition, I think what was once just a feeling that if they moved, a lot of conflict could be avoided has now been infected with a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment. Plus, of course, politicians have jumped on the bandwagon. Carl Paladino's entire ad for NY Governor was this issue. With all the problems in this state, it's a joke that this should even come up.I honestly don't know what my opinion is anymore. My initial opposition has been bastardized into an anti-Muslim attack. As I said earlier, lines have been drawn. Who know how this will end. Much like with the planned Koran burning, it would have been better if people just came to their senses early on. Would it really have been that big a deal to find a different location before this all went public?

 

[KarmaPolice]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Although many people don't believe it, the reason that I and many other people opposed this originally wasn't anti-Muslim. For me it was to avoid a conflict. The people involved with the mosque knew there might be an issue early on (I'm looking for a link I saw from a long time ago to confirm, can't find it yet) but still went ahead with it. I can't help but ask why. If you know this has a chance to stir up a controversy, why go ahead with it?

Imam Rauf obviously knew he had the legal right to build and would have a vocal support in favor. He needs to raise a lot of money that he doesn't have. Hmmm, what better way then to make it a global story and build interest. He's using the story and is now overseas collecting financing while the debate rages. And why did Obama get involved only days after Robert Gibbs said the Administration feels this is a local issue that should be resolved in NY?

As for the opposition, I think what was once just a feeling that if they moved, a lot of conflict could be avoided has now been infected with a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment. Plus, of course, politicians have jumped on the bandwagon. Carl Paladino's entire ad for NY Governor was this issue. With all the problems in this state, it's a joke that this should even come up.

I honestly don't know what my opinion is anymore. My initial opposition has been bastardized into an anti-Muslim attack. As I said earlier, lines have been drawn. Who know how this will end. Much like with the planned Koran burning, it would have been better if people just came to their senses early on. Would it really have been that big a deal to find a different location before this all went public?

I get that, but for me the question becomes, why would it create conflict unless people are lumping all Muslims with the ones who flew planes into our buildings? If you separate the two, it becomes a non-issue for me. I would suspect the people behind that feel the same way. Maybe they thought that it would ruffle a couple feathers, but overall if they thought what they were doing was better in terms of educating people on their religion, a decent way to bridge the gap, etc.. should they still back down and move their center?

 

[CBusAlex]

I can't help but ask why. If you know this has a chance to stir up a controversy, why go ahead with it?

For the same reason newspapers shouldn't have been afraid to publish the Muhammed cartoons. Because when you appease the peddlers of hatred and intolerance, you get nothing but more hatred and intolerance.

 

[jamny]

I can't help but ask why. If you know this has a chance to stir up a controversy, why go ahead with it?

For the same reason newspapers shouldn't have been afraid to publish the Muhammed cartoons. Because when you appease the peddlers of hatred and intolerance, you get nothing but more hatred and intolerance.

Or you purposely go ahead with it knowing that the inevitable controversy will time out well with your overseas tour to gain financing.

 

[the moops]

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Democratic lawmakers had control in 2006, and berated regulators as racist when they said we had a growing problem in the housing market.That's a fact.In a weird way it oddly mirrors this situation. Democrats have all the power in all branches of federal government. When people comment on the tastelessness of putting a mosque this close to ground zero they're labeled as racists. Same old card played by the Democrats that they always play. Back in 2006-2008 they were proping up the shaky Freddie/Fannie groups and heralding their ability to give poor people the dream of owning a house. Now they're proping up a shaky cult that expressly justifies murder in their own "holy book", simply to score some points by looking tolerant.Qu'ran9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH So if I join your cult I can live? Got it. I did a lot of research on the Qu'ran as I readied for this battle, and there are plenty of websites out there that seek to justify this passage or "put it in context". Murder is still murder in the end. Those that know the Qu'ran, that study it with an unbiased eye are horrified by what they read.Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”Much different than....oh sayBut I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I am going out on a limb here but I am going to assume you are SERIOUSLY sexually repressed

Ever since Sarah touched his knee......

 

[Statorama]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

 

[Stephen Hawking]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

you.just.blew.my.mind.thumbs.up.emoticon.

 

[timschochet]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Although many people don't believe it, the reason that I and many other people opposed this originally wasn't anti-Muslim. For me it was to avoid a conflict. The people involved with the mosque knew there might be an issue early on (I'm looking for a link I saw from a long time ago to confirm, can't find it yet) but still went ahead with it. I can't help but ask why. If you know this has a chance to stir up a controversy, why go ahead with it?Imam Rauf obviously knew he had the legal right to build and would have a vocal support in favor. He needs to raise a lot of money that he doesn't have. Hmmm, what better way then to make it a global story and build interest. He's using the story and is now overseas collecting financing while the debate rages. And why did Obama get involved only days after Robert Gibbs said the Administration feels this is a local issue that should be resolved in NY?As for the opposition, I think what was once just a feeling that if they moved, a lot of conflict could be avoided has now been infected with a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment. Plus, of course, politicians have jumped on the bandwagon. Carl Paladino's entire ad for NY Governor was this issue. With all the problems in this state, it's a joke that this should even come up.I honestly don't know what my opinion is anymore. My initial opposition has been bastardized into an anti-Muslim attack. As I said earlier, lines have been drawn. Who know how this will end. Much like with the planned Koran burning, it would have been better if people just came to their senses early on. Would it really have been that big a deal to find a different location before this all went public?

Still not sure how I'm being played here. As far as the rest of what you wrote, there is nothing new in your response; nearly every controversial issue in this country generates a certain amount of people whose opinions are based on the response, "Can't we just avoid controversy?" Obviously, it's too late for that here. But even it wasn't, sometimes conflict is a good thing.

 

[Johnny Mathis]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

I see what you did there 10/10

 

[Johnny Mathis]

you.just.blew.my.mind.

 

[badmojo1006]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

So you are like Glenn Beck, self professed Rodeo Clown?

 

[badmojo1006]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

 

[CBusAlex]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

That rug really tied the prayer room together.

 

[heckmanm]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

That rug really tied the prayer room together.

:golfclap:

 

[timschochet]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

Scroll down ands read the comments that cheer the guy on. What a horrible time we're entering into.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

Wrigley'esque

 

[Kellie Pickler]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

Whoa.I see you as the Howard Stern of the board. People that like you read your posts to see what you'll say next, people that dislike you read your posts to see what you'll say next. People tired of your act just never turn your station on (ignore).

If we're going to get all Seymour Freud here, I think it's like a caricature artist. They identify and magnify things, and if you sit in the chair you're a willing participant and shouldn't really get mad at the finished product. I just like to watch and cringe as the picture is being created.

 

[Christo]

As you can see the militant minority always* wins over the moderate majority.

Simply untrue. You ignore all of the democracies that have ever existed, including this one. In every free nation's history, including this one, there have been attempts by militants at one time or another to seize power, and those attempts have failed. I prefer to look with hope at the Muslim world, that more and more people have exposure to the west, including the young people in Iran, and they are not going to put up with the Islamist fundamentalist rule that a few wish to impose on the rest. We need to help encourage this resistance.

You say that like democracies have been around and been successfully defending themselves for a long time. But they haven't. As a matter of fact, we know very little about democracies like ours and how they fare over the long term.

 

[Christo]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Although many people don't believe it, the reason that I and many other people opposed this originally wasn't anti-Muslim. For me it was to avoid a conflict.

Sorry, but that's a horrible reason. Not as bad a bigotry. But horrible nonetheless.

 

[ericttspikes]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

Scroll down ands read the comments that cheer the guy on. What a horrible time we're entering into.

The media and politicians have been really effective in conflating Islam and all Muslims with terrorists. Not surprising since the same media and politicians where able to conflate Iraq and 9/11. The fear of "others" is disturbing, especially when most of the fear is coming from people who like to pretend they are "real" Americans and wrap themselves in the flag seemingly without understanding the core principles of what made America great. Forget about Islam being hijacked by extremists, America is being hijacked extremists right before our eyes.

 

[the moops]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

That rug really tied the prayer room together.

From the comments section on the site.

Walkin' Dude

08/26/2010 9:41 AM

Damn! That rug really tied the room together too!

 

[timschochet]

As you can see the militant minority always* wins over the moderate majority.

Simply untrue. You ignore all of the democracies that have ever existed, including this one. In every free nation's history, including this one, there have been attempts by militants at one time or another to seize power, and those attempts have failed. I prefer to look with hope at the Muslim world, that more and more people have exposure to the west, including the young people in Iran, and they are not going to put up with the Islamist fundamentalist rule that a few wish to impose on the rest. We need to help encourage this resistance.

You say that like democracies have been around and been successfully defending themselves for a long time. But they haven't. As a matter of fact, we know very little about democracies like ours and how they fare over the long term.

I was responding to his absolutist statement. It's generally unwise, when discussing history, to use words like "always."I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

 

[Christo]

As you can see the militant minority always* wins over the moderate majority.

Simply untrue. You ignore all of the democracies that have ever existed, including this one. In every free nation's history, including this one, there have been attempts by militants at one time or another to seize power, and those attempts have failed. I prefer to look with hope at the Muslim world, that more and more people have exposure to the west, including the young people in Iran, and they are not going to put up with the Islamist fundamentalist rule that a few wish to impose on the rest. We need to help encourage this resistance.

You say that like democracies have been around and been successfully defending themselves for a long time. But they haven't. As a matter of fact, we know very little about democracies like ours and how they fare over the long term.

I was responding to his absolutist statement. It's generally unwise, when discussing history, to use words like "always."I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

If it doesn't survive, it's not a success.

 

[Yogi Berra]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

Whoa.I see you as the Howard Stern of the board. People that like you read your posts to see what you'll say next, people that dislike you read your posts to see what you'll say next. People tired of your act just never turn your station on (ignore).

If we're going to get all Seymour Freud here, I think it's like a caricature artist. They identify and magnify things, and if you sit in the chair you're a willing participant and shouldn't really get mad at the finished product. I just like to watch and cringe as the picture is being created.

I vote for attention whore.

 

[timschochet]

As you can see the militant minority always* wins over the moderate majority.

Simply untrue. You ignore all of the democracies that have ever existed, including this one. In every free nation's history, including this one, there have been attempts by militants at one time or another to seize power, and those attempts have failed. I prefer to look with hope at the Muslim world, that more and more people have exposure to the west, including the young people in Iran, and they are not going to put up with the Islamist fundamentalist rule that a few wish to impose on the rest. We need to help encourage this resistance.

You say that like democracies have been around and been successfully defending themselves for a long time. But they haven't. As a matter of fact, we know very little about democracies like ours and how they fare over the long term.

I was responding to his absolutist statement. It's generally unwise, when discussing history, to use words like "always."I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

If it doesn't survive, it's not a success.

What's your cutoff point? Would you call Rome a "success"? Byzantium? Suppose McDonald's went bankrupt tommorow- would that make the history of that company a failure in your eyes? Ultimately nothing survives forever. We've already been around nearly 230 years. In modern times that's already a success story.

 

[Christo]

I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

If it doesn't survive, it's not a success.

What's your cutoff point? Would you call Rome a "success"? Byzantium? Suppose McDonald's went bankrupt tommorow- would that make the history of that company a failure in your eyes? Ultimately nothing survives forever. We've already been around nearly 230 years. In modern times that's already a success story.

That's a nice argument and all. But it doesn't recognize the context of the discussion. If the crazy Right's fears do come true and Islam does bring us down that 230 years means nothing. Just stories in a book.

 

[timschochet]

I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

If it doesn't survive, it's not a success.

What's your cutoff point? Would you call Rome a "success"? Byzantium? Suppose McDonald's went bankrupt tommorow- would that make the history of that company a failure in your eyes? Ultimately nothing survives forever. We've already been around nearly 230 years. In modern times that's already a success story.

That's a nice argument and all. But it doesn't recognize the context of the discussion. If the crazy Right's fears do come true and Islam does bring us down that 230 years means nothing. Just stories in a book.

That's all the Bible is. By the time it was written, Judea no longer existed.

 

[oneohh]

i am pretty sure there is no need for a public investigation. if anyone debating this back and forth does not think the government is looking into ANYTHING and EVERYTHING these people are doing are kidding themselves.

That's a nice thought and all, but you're talking about two groups in ICE and Homeland Security that not only ignore an open sieve of illegal immigrants gushing into this country, but judging by the actions of the DOJ against the people of Arizona are probably under explicit instructions to do so.It is more important to this administration to appear diverse and tolerant than to address the security of this nation. How can that even be questioned? Have you listened to Obama's speeches, where he takes every opportunity to express his shame at American greatness? How sorry he is for what America has done? How one nation should not rise above the rest?

Wake up people. The destruction of America as we know it is your presidents explicit goal, in both words and actions. He feels that we need to destroy it in order to rebuild it in his image of what America should be. We've had some setbacks since the Democratic Republican lawmakers took control of the country in 2006 2000, but there's some hope that we can take the country back in 2012.

Hopefully we can start plotting which other country to invade and be dead, plat out wrong about every reason to do so in 2013 and give those poor, rich 2% their massive tax breaks back so they can keep the jobs in America (even though they sent them overseas anyways when they were getting the cuts). And this onslaught of illegal immigration and terrorism, which clearly started after '08 (or since before Reagan's amnesty if you want to get technical) (weird how it's so bad during Republican admins), will once again come to a complete halt!

You don't know any more about intent from either side than anyone else. But, if the Ds were the reason I had extra spending money for doing absolutely nothing - quite literally for doing nothing - I suppose I'd cheerlead for them too.

 

[Radio Free Homer]

Drunken Man crashes NY Mosque, calls them terrorists, urinates on their prayer rugs

That rug really tied the prayer room together.

 

[John555]

We got to the point where jon_mx couldn't pull crap out of thin air and had to jump to an alias to keep up the fight, looks like Stat has run out of gas, too.

jon_mx got a week off for calling Dr. Laura a conservative.....

 

[Christo]

I contend that our form of government is already a great success. This is true whether or not we survive over the long term, though I think we will.

If it doesn't survive, it's not a success.

What's your cutoff point? Would you call Rome a "success"? Byzantium? Suppose McDonald's went bankrupt tommorow- would that make the history of that company a failure in your eyes? Ultimately nothing survives forever. We've already been around nearly 230 years. In modern times that's already a success story.

That's a nice argument and all. But it doesn't recognize the context of the discussion. If the crazy Right's fears do come true and Islam does bring us down that 230 years means nothing. Just stories in a book.

That's all the Bible is. By the time it was written, Judea no longer existed.

Thanks, Mr. History.

 

[John555]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

 

[Christo]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

 

[mad sweeney]

But it's just shtick.

Wookie, let me attempt to clarify something for you.On one hand, I purport to be a picture posting, beer drinking, reality tv watching, gambling degenerate, Saints fan. I have several postings that back that up, and I believe this is how fair-minded people view me.

On the other hand, some people establish their opinion of me based my “radical” postings. Time and time again I have denounced these postings as shtick (schtick). Yet some otherwise intelligent people continue to go under the false notion that the true nature of my postings are the “radical” ones.

I’ve told you the true nature of my postings. You can be open minded and choose to believe that my “mainstream” postings represent me or you can be intolerant and choose to believe that my “radical” postings define me.

How exactly is that "intolerant"? That word's been thrown around a lot, especially from the Right in claims that Lefties are hypocritically being intolerant. I don't believe most of them really know what it means. Disagreeing with you is not being intolerant. Calling someone a racist is not being intolerant. It's being used the same way Palin and Dr Laura are using the "taking away Dr L's First Amendment rights, ie incorrectly. There are other words that mean what you (people in general), but intolerant is not it.

 

[John555]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

 

[Christo]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

Do you have any evidence of this?

 

[drummer]

It's a shame it's gotten to this point. Both sides have been/are being played.

Please explain this. I believe the community center should be built as planned in order to show the world (and ourselves) that we as Americans do not give in to religious bigotry. How am I being "played"?

Because you are being extremely naive about who is really behind this. They are kicking America in the balls and you want to let them do it for a principle that Muslims really don't agree with. 90% of Muslims want a Muslim Theocracy, religious freedom does not even make their top 100 principles they believe in. The guy behind this project accuses America of killing 500,000 innocent Iraqi children. Exactly how is letting him build this building going to change that?

How is not letting him build it going to change that?

It is not. If this site is ever built, it will forever be a sour spot between Americans and Muslims. This is radical Muslims marking a terroritory.

That's your opinion, right?