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Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (3 Viewers)

the moops said:
badmojo1006 said:
I think it is a shame that it is viewed as being "brave" for standing up for what is a basic right and one of the founding pillars of this country.
So is freedom of speech. But we are expected to choose our words as to not offend people. If you don't, a certain part of the population will lash out at you. Because of that, most people do. It's completely within your right to call people whatever you want, though. Just be willing to suffer the consequences.
You're implying that the Plaza 51 people are calling others something, which pretty much implies that they are slapping the US in the face because they're Muslims and therefore terrorists and therefore had somethign to do with 9/11. This is a pretty asinine little sidetrack you're going on in an effort to protect a network that recieves funding from an apparently known terrorist.
I'm implying that they are well aware that a certain portion of our population associated the religion with the acts that occurred on 9/11. Some of which probably had loved ones lose their lives in the attack. Building a mosque that close could be considered insensitive to these victims. They were well aware of this and decided to build it anyways. It's their right, go ahead, but we willing to suffer the consequences that you knew would inevitably result.
So they can't put a mosque where Muslims died alongside Americans because there's an ignorant section of the population who's stupid and associates them with terrorists (like many on this board). Pathetic, even for a board with jon and jim and a few others.
 
DrJ said:
rather than placing any blame on the people wanting to build the mosque stirring the pot.
Stirring the pot! :lmao: Next time a woman is raped, let's make sure to blame her for walking alone and wearing a short skirt, and stirring the pot!
And you be sure to endorse the rapist's family intentionally moving in next door to her. It is their American right afterall, and they didn't have anything to do with it.
:lmao: Good god. So now all muslims are family members?
What difference does it make? None of them had anything to do with the attacks in question, they are just associated with the perpetrators via some common traits.
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
 
DrJ said:
rather than placing any blame on the people wanting to build the mosque stirring the pot.
Stirring the pot! :lmao: Next time a woman is raped, let's make sure to blame her for walking alone and wearing a short skirt, and stirring the pot!
And you be sure to endorse the rapist's family intentionally moving in next door to her. It is their American right afterall, and they didn't have anything to do with it.
:lmao: Good god. So now all muslims are family members?
What difference does it make? None of them had anything to do with the attacks in question, they are just associated with the perpetrators via some common traits.
So they're the problem, not the people making the association? I repeat, pathetic.
 
Seriously...can we just give all the "stupid" in this country Hawai'i or Alaska and let them secede already?! Let 'em name it "Real America" and refer to themselves as "Real Americans," then watch as moonshine, in-breeding, gunfire, and mass-cult suicides in the name of Jesus wipes most of 'em out?

 
\So they can't put a mosque where Muslims died alongside Americans because there's an ignorant section of the population who's stupid and associates them with terrorists (like many on this board). Pathetic, even for a board with jon and jim and a few others.
I didn't say they couldn't. It's their legal right, of course they can. But be willing to suffer the wrath of these people that you consider ignorant, which seems to be about 70% of America.
 
Seriously...can we just give all the "stupid" in this country Hawai'i or Alaska and let them secede already?! Let 'em name it "Real America" and refer to themselves as "Real Americans," then watch as moonshine, in-breeding, gunfire, and mass-cult suicides in the name of Jesus wipes most of 'em out?
that sounds like a good idea for a reality show
 
DrJ said:
mad sweeney said:
DrJ said:
What I find amusing is that you blame this gunfire on Fox News and the media rather than placing any blame on the people wanting to build the mosque stirring the pot. As if they didn't realize that's the reaction it would cause in certain segments of the population. Just like it's my legal right to call people politically incorrect terms, it doesn't mean that you necessarily should. Some people are going to get angry, some might even lash out violently. And the people dead set on this mosque would label that person a bigot. It's funny that the people that are preaching tolerance and sensetivity aren't even sensetive to the feelings of people on the other side of this issue. This is a politically incorrect action, it simply is. But they keep wanting to go on about freedom of this and that.
This goes back to the question of why should they feel guilty for something they didn't do? are you saying that the people lashing out violently aren't bigots? That's a pretty ignorant statement if that's what you're saying.
I didn't personally enslave anyone either. Or kill any Indians. Take any land from Mexico. Or any of a list of things us white guys are all supposed to feel guilty over. They don't necessarily have to feel guilty for it, but they should feel sensetive to the feelings of others over the issue. That's pretty much the liberal creed.Not saying the people shooting aren't overreacting about the thing, and might be prejudiced against Muslims. But anyone with half a brain could have imagined that would be the outcome when they decided to put this thing up. And they decided to go ahead with it anyways. If you feel that's their right, fine. But don't get all holy on the media over these people commiting these crimes. The people deciding to take the politically incorrect course of action sparked that by being insensetive. 70% of the people don't want this, some feel strongly about it, and not all of them are firing weapons near mosques.
feelings, nothing more than feelings... if they want someone to care about their feelings they should talk to their mother - she is the most likely to pretend to care. anyone with half a brain should be able to understand the concept of religious freedom applies to all religions - not just theirs. anyone who is concerned sharia law will over take us hasn't been paying attention to the wet/dry issue in the south going wet - christ and the boot-leggers are losing. think some extreme islamic/insert your religion here BS is going to fare any better?i hope to see the day a gay islamic couple can adopt a baby of their very own...just obey the damn law... now if we could just get the local po-po stopping traffic so all the sunday christers can get to lunch quicker (and impacting MY tee time), we'd be making some real progress... and allow buying beer on sunday. i can already buy guns/ammo on sunday, so that is all good...ymmv
 
DrJ said:
mad sweeney said:
DrJ said:
What I find amusing is that you blame this gunfire on Fox News and the media rather than placing any blame on the people wanting to build the mosque stirring the pot. As if they didn't realize that's the reaction it would cause in certain segments of the population. Just like it's my legal right to call people politically incorrect terms, it doesn't mean that you necessarily should. Some people are going to get angry, some might even lash out violently. And the people dead set on this mosque would label that person a bigot. It's funny that the people that are preaching tolerance and sensetivity aren't even sensetive to the feelings of people on the other side of this issue. This is a politically incorrect action, it simply is. But they keep wanting to go on about freedom of this and that.
This goes back to the question of why should they feel guilty for something they didn't do? are you saying that the people lashing out violently aren't bigots? That's a pretty ignorant statement if that's what you're saying.
I didn't personally enslave anyone either. Or kill any Indians. Take any land from Mexico. Or any of a list of things us white guys are all supposed to feel guilty over. They don't necessarily have to feel guilty for it, but they should feel sensetive to the feelings of others over the issue. That's pretty much the liberal creed.Not saying the people shooting aren't overreacting about the thing, and might be prejudiced against Muslims. But anyone with half a brain could have imagined that would be the outcome when they decided to put this thing up. And they decided to go ahead with it anyways. If you feel that's their right, fine. But don't get all holy on the media over these people commiting these crimes. The people deciding to take the politically incorrect course of action sparked that by being insensetive. 70% of the people don't want this, some feel strongly about it, and not all of them are firing weapons near mosques.
feelings, nothing more than feelings... if they want someone to care about their feelings they should talk to their mother - she is the most likely to pretend to care. anyone with half a brain should be able to understand the concept of religious freedom applies to all religions - not just theirs. anyone who is concerned sharia law will over take us hasn't been paying attention to the wet/dry issue in the south going wet - christ and the boot-leggers are losing. think some extreme islamic/insert your religion here BS is going to fare any better?i hope to see the day a gay islamic couple can adopt a baby of their very own...just obey the damn law... now if we could just get the local po-po stopping traffic so all the sunday christers can get to lunch quicker (and impacting MY tee time), we'd be making some real progress... and allow buying beer on sunday. i can already buy guns/ammo on sunday, so that is all good...ymmv
I can't even type politically incorrect terms into a fantasy football message board. And in a decade, there will probably be quite a few more that won't show up either because the politically incorrect word list grows by the day. So cry me a river.
 
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So they can't put a mosque where Muslims died alongside Americans
you mean the 19 martyrs? Don't let your guard down
Of course that's not what I am talking about. Besides, some of those 19 died in DC and Pennsylvania. Lotsa fail from some of you guys tonight.
oh, you're talkin abotu the other 25 guys out of 3000. I see.
There may have only been a handful of buddhists too. Screw them too I guess.
 
So they can't put a mosque where Muslims died alongside Americans
you mean the 19 martyrs? Don't let your guard down
Of course that's not what I am talking about. Besides, some of those 19 died in DC and Pennsylvania. Lotsa fail from some of you guys tonight.
oh, you're talkin abotu the other 25 guys out of 3000. I see.
There may have only been a handful of buddhists too. Screw them too I guess.
yeah, screw them
 
DrJ said:
I didn't personally enslave anyone either. Or kill any Indians. Take any land from Mexico. Or any of a list of things us white guys are all supposed to feel guilty over. They don't necessarily have to feel guilty for it, but they should feel sensetive to the feelings of others over the issue. That's pretty much the liberal creed.

Not saying the people shooting aren't overreacting about the thing, and might be prejudiced against Muslims. But anyone with half a brain could have imagined that would be the outcome when they decided to put this thing up. And they decided to go ahead with it anyways. If you feel that's their right, fine. But don't get all holy on the media over these people commiting these crimes. The people deciding to take the politically incorrect course of action sparked that by being insensetive. 70% of the people don't want this, some feel strongly about it, and not all of them are firing weapons near mosques.
On that bolded sentence, I think probably 80-90% of Americans (myself included) would agree with the idea that we don't have to personally feel guilt. Where I think the issue lies, however, is the fact that we (as Americans) are supposed to learn from it and grow. It's the Native Americans...wipe them out and maybe let a few live on in prisons without fences (reservations). Oops! My bad...it must be the Irish. Yeah, the Irish are what's wrong with this country! Send those potato-eaters back to where they came from. Whoa, wait! It's actually not the Irish...it's the Germans, not to mention all the "China-men" spreading like a virus in the Western United States. Yeah, the Germans and Chinese are what's wrong with this country...tainting what is supposed to be "Real America!" Hey there, my bad! It's not the Germans and Chinese after all...it's the Japanese! Everyone of Japanese descent must be spies for the Empire of Japan...so let's lock them up in internment camps so we can keep "Real Americans" safe!

Wow...sorry, this is really embarrassing, but it's not the Japanese, it's REALLY the Mexicans and all the others streaming in from the Caribbean. Yeah, all those "dirty" Mexicans and other islanders coming across the border and stealing all our jobs! Sigh, I can't believe it, but I guess it's not the Mexicans and Caribbean islanders who are the true threat to "Real America" after all...its all those Indians/Persians/Muslims who are coming here to blow themselves up with as many "Real Americans" as they can, in the name of Allah. Yeah...THAT'S what is ruining Real America! I mean, in addition to all those "blacks," of course, who've been a major pain in Real America's ### since the 1600s-1700s.

:goodposting:

The only thing I can even say in response to this type of idiocy out there is :wall:

[/rant]

 
It's the Native Americans...wipe them out and maybe let a few live on in prisons without fences (reservations). Oops! My bad...it must be the Irish. Yeah, the Irish are what's wrong with this country! Send those potato-eaters back to where they came from. Whoa, wait! It's actually not the Irish...it's the Germans, not to mention all the "China-men" spreading like a virus in the Western United States. Yeah, the Germans and Chinese are what's wrong with this country...tainting what is supposed to be "Real America!" Hey there, my bad! It's not the Germans and Chinese after all...it's the Japanese! Everyone of Japanese descent must be spies for the Empire of Japan...so let's lock them up in internment camps so we can keep "Real Americans" safe!

Wow...sorry, this is really embarrassing, but it's not the Japanese, it's REALLY the Mexicans and all the others streaming in from the Caribbean. Yeah, all those "dirty" Mexicans and other islanders coming across the border and stealing all our jobs! Sigh, I can't believe it, but I guess it's not the Mexicans and Caribbean islanders who are the true threat to "Real America" after all...its all those Indians/Persians/Muslims who are coming here to blow themselves up with as many "Real Americans" as they can, in the name of Allah. Yeah...THAT'S what is ruining Real America! I mean, in addition to all those "blacks," of course, who've been a major pain in Real America's ### since the 1600s-1700s.

:rolleyes:

The only thing I can even say in response to this type of idiocy out there is :wall:

[/rant]
i'm not going to dissect your rant because eveyrone appreciates a good soapbox holler, however i will point out one thing in your examples several of the groups listed were hostile and several were not.
 
i'm not going to dissect your rant because eveyrone appreciates a good soapbox holler, however i will point out one thing in your examples several of the groups listed were hostile and several were not.
I would be willing to bet a whole lot of money that from each of those groups I referred to in my sarcastically channeling an "ist," at LEAST 19 of them were seriously hostile. Killing a lot of people. Not 3,000+ people at one time (no weapons of mass destruction would have made it possible until 60-70 years ago), but a whole lot of violence and dead bodies left in their wake.So...because at least 19 members of each racial/ethnic group I mentioned were violent, folks think we should "ship 'em all back to ________" and get the #### out of Real America, right?! :rolleyes:
 
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i'm not going to dissect your rant because eveyrone appreciates a good soapbox holler, however i will point out one thing in your examples several of the groups listed were hostile and several were not.
I would be willing to bet a whole lot of money that from each of those groups I referred to in my sarcastically channeling an "ist," at LEAST 19 of them were seriously hostile. Killing a lot of people. Not 3,000+ people at one time (no weapons of mass destruction would have made it possible), but a whole lot of violence and dead bodies left in their wake.So...because at least 19 members of each racial/ethnic group I mentioned were violent, folks think we should "ship 'em all back to ________" and get the #### out of Real America, right?! :rolleyes:
nice strawman.
 
i'm not going to dissect your rant because eveyrone appreciates a good soapbox holler, however i will point out one thing in your examples several of the groups listed were hostile and several were not.
I would be willing to bet a whole lot of money that from each of those groups I referred to in my sarcastically channeling an "ist," at LEAST 19 of them were seriously hostile. Killing a lot of people. Not 3,000+ people at one time (no weapons of mass destruction would have made it possible), but a whole lot of violence and dead bodies left in their wake.So...because at least 19 members of each racial/ethnic group I mentioned were violent, folks think we should "ship 'em all back to ________" and get the #### out of Real America, right?! ;)
nice strawman.
You held true not trying to dissect it.
 
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
It's your assinine scenario. You're the one that wanted to bring up a girl wearing a skirt to compare to people's feelings over a catastrophic attack commited by fundamentalists from a certain religion.
 
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
It's your assinine scenario. You're the one that wanted to bring up a girl wearing a skirt to compare to people's feelings over a catastrophic attack commited by fundamentalists from a certain religion.
Huh?My girl in the skirt was about blaming victims. It had nothing to do with people moving in next door and such.You are off your rocker dude.
 
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
It's your assinine scenario. You're the one that wanted to bring up a girl wearing a skirt to compare to people's feelings over a catastrophic attack commited by fundamentalists from a certain religion.
Huh?My girl in the skirt was about blaming victims. It had nothing to do with people moving in next door and such.You are off your rocker dude.
I don't think the people building the mosque were victims of 9/11. You're worried about the wrong victims here.
 
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
It's your assinine scenario. You're the one that wanted to bring up a girl wearing a skirt to compare to people's feelings over a catastrophic attack commited by fundamentalists from a certain religion.
Huh?My girl in the skirt was about blaming victims. It had nothing to do with people moving in next door and such.You are off your rocker dude.
I don't think the people building the mosque were victims of 9/11. You're worried about the wrong victims here.
I give up.Cheers man. :banned:
 
So in your asinine scenario, if the rapist was a christian, or a buddhist, or a black man, or a Harvard educated lawyer...anyone moving in next door, who shared some common traits, would be stirring the pot?You should let this line of reasoning go man. You are sounding like peens. Actually, I take that back. You are sounding worse than peens.
It's your assinine scenario. You're the one that wanted to bring up a girl wearing a skirt to compare to people's feelings over a catastrophic attack commited by fundamentalists from a certain religion.
Huh?My girl in the skirt was about blaming victims. It had nothing to do with people moving in next door and such.You are off your rocker dude.
I don't think the people building the mosque were victims of 9/11. You're worried about the wrong victims here.
I give up.Cheers man. :banned:
:DSeriously though, if the chick was aware that there was a rapist on the loose that had commited dozens of rapes recently along the path that she was walking, and she proceeded to go out alone dressing sexy, unarmed, at 2 AM, yeah she kind of did ask for it. It's not right that she got raped, but her actions did play some part in the rape occuring. It was very predictable what the outcome of this whole thing was going to be. Is it right that people are terrorizing them? No. But it was very predictable, and something that could have been avoided had the people building this used a little common sense. It's their right, just like it's the girl's right to be stupid and put herself in the worst possible situation when she was well aware there was danger in doing so. But at the end of the day, they both are made poor choices and they're both suffering the consequences.
 
cubd8 said:
Is this guy a radical?1) he said we are an accesssory to what happened on 9/11 (10 days after the attacks).2) says Bin Laden was made in the USA.3) says America is Sharia compliant state.4) the financer of the Mosque was waiting tables 2 years ago and is now a millionaire and refuses to answer questions about how it happened or about how the mosque is being funded? they refuse to say where the money (what countries - Saudi Arabia or Iran, for example) is coming from?Does any of this raise eye brows from those on the left?
4. You do you that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the supposed main backing behind the mosque, is the second largest shareholder of NewsCorp (Parent company of FOX news)? And you wonder why they demonize him as a terrorist, but never mention his name?
Where have you read this guy is the main backer behind the mosque?I understand that the Saudi who owns 7-9% of Newscorp has funded some of Rauf's other projects, but I haven't found where he has backed the mosque
so is it Fox News's job for their anchors to come out and talk about every investor they have in their company?is this guy calling the shots at Fox News?do they regulate who buys stock in their company?does any company?to my knowledge, he has backed projects in the past the Imam has done but not building this particular mosque
Morning Bump
 
Is this guy a radical?1) he said we are an accesssory to what happened on 9/11 (10 days after the attacks).2) says Bin Laden was made in the USA.3) says America is Sharia compliant state.4) the financer of the Mosque was waiting tables 2 years ago and is now a millionaire and refuses to answer questions about how it happened or about how the mosque is being funded? they refuse to say where the money (what countries - Saudi Arabia or Iran, for example) is coming from?Does any of this raise eye brows from those on the left?
4. You do you that Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, the supposed main backing behind the mosque, is the second largest shareholder of NewsCorp (Parent company of FOX news)? And you wonder why they demonize him as a terrorist, but never mention his name?
Where have you read this guy is the main backer behind the mosque?I understand that the Saudi who owns 7-9% of Newscorp has funded some of Rauf's other projects, but I haven't found where he has backed the mosque
so is it Fox News's job for their anchors to come out and talk about every investor they have in their company?is this guy calling the shots at Fox News?do they regulate who buys stock in their company?does any company?to my knowledge, he has backed projects in the past the Imam has done but not building this particular mosque
Morning Bump
you dont regulate who buys shares of your company when its a publicly owned company, right? Is it Fox news fault that this Saudi bought shares in the company or is this just MSNBC type spin?
 
so is it Fox News's job for their anchors to come out and talk about every investor they have in their company?

is this guy calling the shots at Fox News?

do they regulate who buys stock in their company?

does any company?

to my knowledge, he has backed projects in the past the Imam has done but not building this particular mosque
Morning Bump
you dont regulate who buys shares of your company when its a publicly owned company, right? Is it Fox news fault that this Saudi bought shares in the company or is this just MSNBC type spin?
Here you go...
 
Radio Free Homer said:
cubd8 said:
so is it Fox News's job for their anchors to come out and talk about every investor they have in their company?

is this guy calling the shots at Fox News?

do they regulate who buys stock in their company?

does any company?

to my knowledge, he has backed projects in the past the Imam has done but not building this particular mosque
Morning Bump
you dont regulate who buys shares of your company when its a publicly owned company, right? Is it Fox news fault that this Saudi bought shares in the company or is this just MSNBC type spin?
Here you go...
And?

 
So, are we going to get a response from those who thought this was all just "MSNBC spin" on the connection between Murdoch and Saudi princes, or just schtick it up and try to pretend like nothing happened?

Also, :unsure: whoever said "well News corp is a publicly tradecd company, they can't control who buys stock." I think when an investor owns a 7% share in a company like News Corp, it kind of gets the attention of the CEO and Board.

:unsure:

 
So, are we going to get a response from those who thought this was all just "MSNBC spin" on the connection between Murdoch and Saudi princes, or just schtick it up and try to pretend like nothing happened?Also, :lmao: whoever said "well News corp is a publicly tradecd company, they can't control who buys stock." I think when an investor owns a 7% share in a company like News Corp, it kind of gets the attention of the CEO and Board. :lmao:
Is it a bad thing that a Saudi prince is a News Corp investor?
 
Also, :lol: whoever said "well News corp is a publicly tradecd company, they can't control who buys stock." I think when an investor owns a 7% share in a company like News Corp, it kind of gets the attention of the CEO and Board. :lmao:
:lmao: Knowledge isn't control.
 
So, are we going to get a response from those who thought this was all just "MSNBC spin" on the connection between Murdoch and Saudi princes, or just schtick it up and try to pretend like nothing happened?Also, :rant: whoever said "well News corp is a publicly tradecd company, they can't control who buys stock." I think when an investor owns a 7% share in a company like News Corp, it kind of gets the attention of the CEO and Board. :lmao:
Is it a bad thing that a Saudi prince is a News Corp investor?
It is yet another blow against Fox's credibility when it is drumming up fear against an "unnamed" terrorist supporter who has such a large stake in News Corp and they know it.
 

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