Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second Mosque Near Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

now 70% of us are 'radicals'. If the arguments get any worse than that it'll be criminal

You prefer 'un-American'?

 

[cstu]

yes imam Rauf is implying a violent backlash if he doesnt' get his mosque built. Funny how a "moderate" such as him would decide on day one that it was a good idea to build a mosque in the ashes of ground zero, refuses to give up the obviously boorish and insensitive idea and now has in his own words endangered our country by his actions.idiot

You can him an idiot but he sounds quite American to me.

 

[tommyboy]

must be a lot of bigots in the world

Hussein Rashid makes that point in a column published Friday. Rashid, an instructor at Hofstra University's Center for Spiritual Inquiry, faulted organizers for failing to anticipate the controversy and getting caught flat-footed when it erupted. That, he argues, places Muslims in an awkward position of being "forced to defend a project about which [they are] otherwise ambivalent." To fight for the project, "we need to believe in it," and organizers' actions have built little confidence:

"This project needs a strong hand at the helm, a true visionary, but should never be dependent on that person. Rauf's noticeable absence for the last several months speaks to the problems of relying on one individual, and the overall style of leadership."

Muslims outside the country have their own concerns. Al-Arabiya television general manager Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid called the mosque "the wrong battle," saying Muslims don't want "a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery." He echoes the concern of many American opponents of the mosque, that it will be seen as a memorial to the 9/11 terrorists who acted in the name of Islam:

"The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!"

On that point, Abdur-Rahman Mohamed, a Muslim who renounced his previous radical preaching, blames organizers for triggering the backlash:

"Let us remember that the project organizers themselves created this controversy by announcing that the groundbreaking would take place on the ten-year anniversary of the attack, and that the exact site was selected because of its proximity to Ground Zero. Given that fact, the current media meme that this is not a 'Ground Zero mosque' is dishonest spin."

The Muslim Canadian Congress wrote to Rauf directly urging him to reconsider the mosque's location:

"Even if the intention of the mosque organizers was noble," the letter said, "the negative reaction by the American people has ensured that if built, the mosque will remain a permanent sore point and a lightning rod for anti-Muslim feelings. For this reason alone, the project must be abandoned."

"Many Muslims suspect that the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation, to thumb our noses at the 'infidel,' said board member Raheel Raza. "We believe the proposal has been made in bad faith and, in Islamic parlance, is creating 'fitna,' meaning 'mischief-making,' an act clearly forbidden in the Qur'an."

Even the first Muslim Miss America found the location misguided. "We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion," Rima Fakih said.

Neda Bolourchi lost her mother on the flight that crashed into the Trade Center's North Tower. A secular Muslim from Iran, Bolourchi is among those who see the mosque proposal as just too close to the place that put a hole in her heart. "I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world," she wrote in a Washington Post column.

M. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, also found fault with the proposal's lavish scale. Mosques, he wrote, are normally humble places for worship, and they shouldn't be about making statements:

"Religious freedom is central to our nation - and that is why the location of this project is so misguided. Ground Zero is purely about being American. It can never be about being Muslim."

In an article in Al-Ayyam, a Palestinian newspaper, Cambridge University researcher Khaled Al-Haroub argued the Ground Zero mosque was a needless provocation. Even it is built, it will have been "a losing battle, politically and culturally." The issue is not whether the proponents have a right to build, but whether the mosque creates more harm than good:

"[T]he principle that should guide those who wish to build the mosque transcends the [dry letter of the] law and the [goal] of scoring legal points. After all, a legal verdict permitting them to build a mosque against the will of over half the [city's] population cannot be regarded as a victory. Building a mosque near that place [i.e., Ground Zero], legally or illegally, is a provocation that hurts people's feelings, so it is inappropriate to insist on building it on that spot, of all places."

Read more at: http://www.investigativeproject.org/2131/t...uslim-opponents

 

[Jewell]

 

[Jewell]

I worry that this may cause Jon's head to explode, but I'm going to put it anyway. It's probably already been covered (as it's old news from 2007), but I'm just stumbling upon it now.

Apparently, the "Ground Zero Mosque" is not the only 9-11 Memorial that some see as an Islamist trophy...

PICTURE

Many features of the chosen Flight 93 Memorial design are intolerable:

1. THE GIANT CRESCENT.  The centerpiece of the original “Crescent of Embrace” design was a giant red Islamic shaped crescent. Every particle of this original crescent design remains completely intact in the so-called redesign, which only added a few irrelevant trees. The giant crescent is still there.

2. IT POINTS TO MECCA.  The giant crescent points to Mecca. A crescent that Muslims face into to face Mecca is called a "mihrab," and is the central feature around which every mosque is built. The Flight 93 Memorial is on track to become the world's largest mosque.

3. THE ISLAMIC SUNDIAL. The minaret-like Tower of Voices is a year-round accurate Islamic prayer-time sundial (one of many typical mosque features that are realized in the crescent design, all on the same epic scale as the half mile wide central crescent).

4. THE 44 BLOCKS.  There are 44 glass blocks on the flight path, equaling the number of passengers, crew, AND terrorists. [uPDATE 9-2-10: In an implicit acknowledgment of the 44 blocks, the Park Service has changed the three blocks inscribed with the 9/11 date to a single large block, reducing the block total to 42, which simply disguises what architect Paul Murdoch has done.] Petition for Investigation

This design "drew criticism from some religious groups and online blogs." A photojournalist wrote at zombietime that:

The winning design chosen to memorialize the heroes and victims of 9/11’s Flight 93 is in the shape of a red crescent that looks–either accidentally or intentionally–remarkably like an Islamic crescent.

...[A]n azimuthal equidistant world map ... seems to indicate that the crescent is oriented toward Mecca.

Jury member Tom Burnett Sr., whose son was killed in the crash, said he made an impassioned speech to his fellow jurors about what he felt the crescent represented, "I explained this goes back centuries as an old-time Islamic symbol," Burnett said. "I told them we'd be a laughing stock if we did this."

Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado has opposed the design's shape "because of the crescent's prominent use as a symbol in Islam." Mike Rosen of the Rocky Mountain News wrote: "On the anniversaries of 9/11, it's not hard to visualize al-Qaeda celebrating the crescent of maple trees, turning red in the fall, "embracing" the Flight 93 crash site. To them, it would be a memorial to their fallen martyrs. Why invite that? Just come up with a different design that eliminates the double meaning and the dispute."

The architect asserted that this is coincidental and that there was no intent to refer to Muslim symbols. WIKI

 

[gary mexico]

Build it and let the fun begin...

 

[Statorama]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

 

[gary mexico]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

Figures....

 

[urbanhack]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

What does this have to do with the Mosque/Community Center in New York?

 

[jon_mx]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

What does this have to do with the Mosque/Community Center in New York?

Just pointing out that this isn't part of some larger plot. Just an isolated incident. Nothing to see here, the war on terror is over. Time to concentrate on those evil rightwing terrorists.

 

[notme]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

What does this have to do with the Mosque/Community Center in New York?

All Muslims are terrorists. Duh.

 

[urbanhack]

religion of peace at it again

Pope visit: Five suspected Islamist terrorists arrested over assassination plot

Police have arrested five suspected Islamist terrorists, working as street cleaners in London, over an alleged plan assassinate the Pope.

What does this have to do with the Mosque/Community Center in New York?

Just pointing out that this isn't part of some larger plot. Just an isolated incident. Nothing to see here, the war on terror is over. Time to concentrate on those evil rightwing terrorists.

 

[Statorama]

Massachusetts public school students forced to learn how to pray to allah

Seperation of Church and State? Not for the de facto religion of THIS government.

If you read or watch nothing else today, take the ten minutes needed to watch

 

[tommyboy]

that's horrible

 

[Ministry of Pain]

54 pages...cliff notes? Are more for or against it?

 

[the moops]

I love the narrator's voice.

 

[Sinn Fein]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

 

[McJose]

Massachusetts public school students forced to learn how to pray to allah

Totally misleading. I wasn't comfortable with the 'preaching' of the woman in the moosque but nobody was forced to "learn" anything. There are a lot of fishy things going on with this visit and what the Muslims told the kids but there is no evidence that anybody was forced or even asked to do anything they didn't want to.

 

[mon]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

 

[Desert_Power]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

Nope, looks like you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Phase of the Game]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

2 and a half blocks isn't much at all when you look at the total area of where the destruction took place.

 

[Mario Kart]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

You just now learned that the Mosque will be 2.5 blocks away? That has been reported from day 1.

 

[perry147]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

You just now learned that the Mosque will be 2.5 blocks away? That has been reported from day 1.

That is exactly why Fox News calls it the Ground Zero Mosque - I know they would not do it to be misleading.

 

[Desert_Power]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

You just now learned that the Mosque will be 2.5 blocks away? That has been reported from day 1.

That is exactly why Fox News calls it the Ground Zero Victory Mosque - I know they would not do it to be misleading.

fixed

 

[TobiasFunke]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

2 and a half blocks isn't much at all when you look at the total area of where the destruction took place.

I agree with this guy. All of Manhattan below Houston should be closed off so that we may properly honor the memory of George W. Bush Rudy Giuliani the horrible events of September 11. I'm willing to maybe let people live and work as normal as far south as Canal, but that's really pushing it. Show a little sensitivity, for Chrissakes.

 

[oneohh]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

2 and a half blocks isn't much at all when you look at the total area of where the destruction took place.

I agree with this guy. All of Manhattan below Houston should be closed off so that we may properly honor the memory of George W. Bush Rudy Giuliani the horrible events of September 11. I'm willing to maybe let people live and work as normal as far south as Canal, but that's really pushing it. Show a little sensitivity, for Chrissakes.

you're a ####### idiot

 

[TobiasFunke]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

2 and a half blocks isn't much at all when you look at the total area of where the destruction took place.

I agree with this guy. All of Manhattan below Houston should be closed off so that we may properly honor the memory of George W. Bush Rudy Giuliani the horrible events of September 11. I'm willing to maybe let people live and work as normal as far south as Canal, but that's really pushing it. Show a little sensitivity, for Chrissakes.

you're a ####### idiot

And good morning to you, sir! Did your favorite team lose yesterday? Rough morning at work? Tough commute?

Or did you just completely miss the point if my post, which is to point out the ridiculousness of thinking that a place several blocks away from Ground Zero has any special significance or meaning related to September 11, and that only reason this is being made an issue is for political gain?

 

[mon]

good story on 60 minutes imo.

Yes it was. I haven't paid much attention to this story until now. Sure, I thought it was insensitive to build a mosque at ground zero, but now I find out it's 2.5 blocks away? Good grief, that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, especially in NYC which is chock full of Muslims, unless you just hate Muslims. Since I haven't gone through the 54 pages of this thread, maybe I'm missing something?

You just now learned that the Mosque will be 2.5 blocks away? That has been reported from day 1.

The story didn't really interest me, so all I ever heard was the headline. The only reason I know about it now is because I watch 60 Minutes and they did a story on it.Here's the 60 Minutes piece, if anyone's interested.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Or did you just completely miss the point if my post, which is to point out the ridiculousness of thinking that a place several blocks away from Ground Zero has any special significance or meaning related to September 11, and that only reason this is being made an issue is for political gain?

Wow

 

[ScottyFargo]

Or did you just completely miss the point if my post, which is to point out the ridiculousness of thinking that a place several blocks away from Ground Zero has any special significance or meaning related to September 11, and that only reason this is being made an issue is for political gain?

Wow

The issue had been ignored for quite some time, (and even endorsed by Fox News reporter Greta Van S. in her initial report on the subject...which aired on Fox News) but since that time it has been manufactured into a wedge issue in time for the November elections. It's more of the same "Paint the others as anti-American pro-terrorist" fear mongering.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Or did you just completely miss the point if my post, which is to point out the ridiculousness of thinking that a place several blocks away from Ground Zero has any special significance or meaning related to September 11, and that only reason this is being made an issue is for political gain?

Wow

You don't think that's true?Ask yourself how it first became an issue. You think it was locals or families of victims who first raised a stink? You're wrong. This has been a political tool of conservative bloggers and Fox News, who named it the "Ground Zero" mosque. Nobody made a peep when the plans first came out. It took Pamela Geller, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of the right wing buffoons to make this an issue six months later when they saw opportunity for political gain.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

 

[tommyboy]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

 

[Desert_Power]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

link?

 

[the moops]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

link?

Sounds like a victory mosque to me.

At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths. The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

 

[Desert_Power]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

link?

Sounds like a victory mosque to me.

At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths. The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Total victory mosque. I love the irony of him implying that people need to distinguish between a prayer room and 13 story mosque, when he is the only one making that mistake.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

I think you have "mosque" confused with "building housing a mosque."Here's the facilities plan for the entire space. I can see how this would be very offensive and upsetting. Child care services, recreational/athletic facilities, a library, a prayer space open to the public, all just three blocks away from the World Trade Center site. How terrible. I mean, why not just crash another plane into lower Manhattan, right?

 

[tommyboy]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

I think you have "mosque" confused with "building housing a mosque."Here's the facilities plan for the entire space. I can see how this would be very offensive and upsetting. Child care services, recreational/athletic facilities, a library, a prayer space open to the public, all just three blocks away from the World Trade Center site. How terrible. I mean, why not just crash another plane into lower Manhattan, right?

they don't even have an architect or blueprints yet so its hard to say exactly what they plan other than whatevery they claim today or tomorrow. initial plans were for a 13 story mosque that included some space for other faiths and a swimming pool. Regardless, I'm not supporting a man who's written books in favor bringing Sharia law to the United States, who just so happens to want to build a giant monument to allah 2 blocks from ground zero. There's already 100 mosques in new york, this mosque would serve no one as its in the business district and really fails at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

I think you have "mosque" confused with "building housing a mosque."Here's the facilities plan for the entire space. I can see how this would be very offensive and upsetting. Child care services, recreational/athletic facilities, a library, a prayer space open to the public, all just three blocks away from the World Trade Center site. How terrible. I mean, why not just crash another plane into lower Manhattan, right?

they don't even have an architect or blueprints yet so its hard to say exactly what they plan other than whatevery they claim today or tomorrow. initial plans were for a 13 story mosque that included some space for other faiths and a swimming pool. Regardless, I'm not supporting a man who's written books in favor bringing Sharia law to the United States, who just so happens to want to build a giant monument to allah 2 blocks from ground zero. There's already 100 mosques in new york, this mosque would serve no one as its in the business district and really fails at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing.

A giant monument to Allah? You're a reasonable man on most things, but you are absolutely out of your mind and 100% wrong on this one. Have you ever been to lower Manhattan? Your post makes me wonder. Two things you apparently don't know about it:

1. In no way, shape or form does a 13 story building amidst a sea of skyscrapers with footprints covering half a city block or a full block constitute a "giant monument to Allah." Relatively speaking, it's tiny.

2. Lots of people live in lower Manhattan, including, I'm sure, many Muslims. And many, many more work there. Sometimes people like to have gyms or recreational centers near their offices. Some probably also would like a religious center there.

The people "failing at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing" are people like you who don't take the project planners are their word, assume the worst of Muslims, characterize plans in the most negative terms possible, like "a giant monument to Allah," and drum up false outrage and opposition to a project that's none of your freaking business. Muslims don't get to build houses of worship or community centers if you've decided there's enough in NYC already? Please. And it's not like they're building on sacred ground. There's bars, a gym, retail stores all over the place, and so on. It's 2+ blocks from the World Trade Center.

 

[Desert_Power]

Dude that owns the site is a New York native, Father is/was Ethiopian, mother a catholic, he married a christian woman, belongs to the local Jewish Community Center, and wants to build a similar Center in the space occupied by an abandoned building.

Oh, and the "mosque" itself, in the form of a prayer room, already exists.

Nobody seems to have a problem with Muslims praying in the Pentagon, at the site of the crash, in a multi-denominational room built for that purpose.

Really, this is just a political stunt, based on irrational fears and racism.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, its just a shame so many are based on ignorance.

there's a slight difference between a prayer room and a 13 story mosque

I think you have "mosque" confused with "building housing a mosque."Here's the facilities plan for the entire space. I can see how this would be very offensive and upsetting. Child care services, recreational/athletic facilities, a library, a prayer space open to the public, all just three blocks away from the World Trade Center site. How terrible. I mean, why not just crash another plane into lower Manhattan, right?

they don't even have an architect or blueprints yet so its hard to say exactly what they plan other than whatevery they claim today or tomorrow. initial plans were for a 13 story mosque that included some space for other faiths and a swimming pool. Regardless, I'm not supporting a man who's written books in favor bringing Sharia law to the United States, who just so happens to want to build a giant monument to allah 2 blocks from ground zero. There's already 100 mosques in new york, this mosque would serve no one as its in the business district and really fails at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing.

It takes work to be this ignorant. Congrats.

 

[wazoo11]

Why does this need 55 pages?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why does this need 55 pages?

Wel, we still have ignorant garbage like "giant monument to Allah" being posted. So the 55 pages are either a testament to quality fishing or a testament to the endurance of ignorant attitudes. I tend to think it's the latter.

 

[tommyboy]

A giant monument to Allah? You're a reasonable man on most things, but you are absolutely out of your mind and 100% wrong on this one.

Have you ever been to lower Manhattan? Your post makes me wonder. Two things you apparently don't know about it:

1. In no way, shape or form does a 13 story building amidst a sea of skyscrapers with footprints covering half a city block or a full block constitute a "giant monument to Allah." Relatively speaking, it's tiny.

2. Lots of people live in lower Manhattan, including, I'm sure, many Muslims. And many, many more work there. Sometimes people like to have gyms or recreational centers near their offices. Some probably also would like a religious center there.

The people "failing at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing" are people like you who don't take the project planners are their word, assume the worst of Muslims, characterize plans in the most negative terms possible, like "a giant monument to Allah," and drum up false outrage and opposition to a project that's none of your freaking business. Muslims don't get to build houses of worship or community centers if you've decided there's enough in NYC already? Please. And it's not like they're building on sacred ground. There's bars, a gym, retail stores all over the place, and so on. It's 2+ blocks from the World Trade Center.

you're right, i don't take the planners at their word.

 

[TobiasFunke]

A giant monument to Allah? You're a reasonable man on most things, but you are absolutely out of your mind and 100% wrong on this one.

Have you ever been to lower Manhattan? Your post makes me wonder. Two things you apparently don't know about it:

1. In no way, shape or form does a 13 story building amidst a sea of skyscrapers with footprints covering half a city block or a full block constitute a "giant monument to Allah." Relatively speaking, it's tiny.

2. Lots of people live in lower Manhattan, including, I'm sure, many Muslims. And many, many more work there. Sometimes people like to have gyms or recreational centers near their offices. Some probably also would like a religious center there.

The people "failing at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing" are people like you who don't take the project planners are their word, assume the worst of Muslims, characterize plans in the most negative terms possible, like "a giant monument to Allah," and drum up false outrage and opposition to a project that's none of your freaking business. Muslims don't get to build houses of worship or community centers if you've decided there's enough in NYC already? Please. And it's not like they're building on sacred ground. There's bars, a gym, retail stores all over the place, and so on. It's 2+ blocks from the World Trade Center.

you're right, i don't take the planners at their word.

You're probably right. I tremble in fear at the "Giant" 13 story Monument to Allah that they will erect after hoodwinking us all into believing that they were actually gonna do what they said they'd do. They'll probably cackle maniacally as they plan the destruction of Christianity from behind closed doors of the 13 Story Monument to Allah, while you wander the streets calling us fools and reminding us that you tried to warn us of this impending doom.

 

[perry147]

A giant monument to Allah? You're a reasonable man on most things, but you are absolutely out of your mind and 100% wrong on this one.

Have you ever been to lower Manhattan? Your post makes me wonder. Two things you apparently don't know about it:

1. In no way, shape or form does a 13 story building amidst a sea of skyscrapers with footprints covering half a city block or a full block constitute a "giant monument to Allah." Relatively speaking, it's tiny.

2. Lots of people live in lower Manhattan, including, I'm sure, many Muslims. And many, many more work there. Sometimes people like to have gyms or recreational centers near their offices. Some probably also would like a religious center there.

The people "failing at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing" are people like you who don't take the project planners are their word, assume the worst of Muslims, characterize plans in the most negative terms possible, like "a giant monument to Allah," and drum up false outrage and opposition to a project that's none of your freaking business. Muslims don't get to build houses of worship or community centers if you've decided there's enough in NYC already? Please. And it's not like they're building on sacred ground. There's bars, a gym, retail stores all over the place, and so on. It's 2+ blocks from the World Trade Center.

you're right, i don't take the planners at their word.

You're probably right. I tremble in fear at the "Giant" 13 story Monument to Allah that they will erect after hoodwinking us all into believing that they were actually gonna do what they said they'd do. They'll probably cackle maniacally as they plan the destruction of Christianity from behind closed doors of the 13 Story Monument to Allah, while you wander the streets calling us fools and reminding us that you tried to warn us of this impending doom.

I think that should just about kill the thread - well done.

 

[Statorama]

The piece on 60 Minutes last night said they're already in there doing their "prayers".

Gym open? nope. Restaurant? nada. Pool? Shopping? Any of the other things they say this is? zilch.

Prayer room? WIDE THE F OPEN

This is no community center.

 

[the moops]

There's already 100 mosques in new york, this mosque would serve no one as its in the business district and really fails at the ideal of promoting interfaith healing.

So now the reason you are opposed to it is because there are already enough mosques in NYC?It's hard to argue with you folks when you keep changing the argument. Funded by terrorists! Too close to ground zero! Victory mosque! Too many mosques already in the city!

 

[TobiasFunke]

The piece on 60 Minutes last night said they're already in there doing their "prayers".Gym open? nope. Restaurant? nada. Pool? Shopping? Any of the other things they say this is? zilch.Prayer room? WIDE THE F OPENThis is no community center.

Wait ... so you're saying their are already real live Muslims doing real live Muslim things only two blocks from the former World Trade Center site, and yet nobody has died, or been converted from Christianity, or had their memories of the tragedy of September 11 sullied permanently by these disrespectful men who are probably terrorists?Maybe they're just waiting for the gym to open up so they can get in shape for their eventual takeover of Manhattan.

 

[perry147]

The piece on 60 Minutes last night said they're already in there doing their "prayers".Gym open? nope. Restaurant? nada. Pool? Shopping? Any of the other things they say this is? zilch.Prayer room? WIDE THE F OPENThis is no community center.

So people are praying to a different god than Jebus - now I understand your outrage.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The piece on 60 Minutes last night said they're already in there doing their "prayers".Gym open? nope. Restaurant? nada. Pool? Shopping? Any of the other things they say this is? zilch.Prayer room? WIDE THE F OPENThis is no community center.

So people are praying to a different god than Jebus - now I understand your outrage.

You can tell he's an open-minded guy by the way he puts "prayers" in quotes. The only real prayers are Jebus prayers.