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My Edge Ranking (1 Viewer)

First off I like HUCKS ranks! I don't think anyone can do any better at this point of time. We all have opinions and we all probably have variances but I pretty much am in line with Hucks first post myself.

With that said after the big 3 you could probably flip a coin at this point of time!

 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO. That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often.

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.

 
I will be happy to land Edge anywhere after the 5 pick.  This is what makes me a shrk and the rest of you nay sayers guppies.

If I went bu the census each year I wouldnt be 2 time champ. Edge will finish top 5 PERIOD.
Your track record aside, the only place I can see Edge going is down. It would be almost impossible for him to get the ball more than he did in IND, and his likelihood of him producing at the same level of productivity is also doubtful.So IMO, we have to start with what he did last year and REDUCE his total numbers. Let's not forget that he is still a pretty high injury risk based on his EXTENSIVE workload over the years. He's been the #1 back in terms of total touches per game in recent years by a fair margin.

I still think his workload will again be high and that in and of itself should keep him in the Top 10 (provided he doesn't miss much time).

But the difference between the #10 RB and the #5 RB is in the 60-70 fantasy point range and the difference between the #10 RB and where Edge once was early in his career is 120-130 fantasy points. He's still a top back, but he is not what he was his first couple of years prior to getting hurt.
The argument of workload could also be applied to other RB'S being listed ahead of him, so I cannot buy in that argument.What needs to be analized is weahter a person feels he will be able to preform as good as when he was in the INDY offense. I say yes.

Indy line is not stellar although it is/was better than the cards. I think AZ will have more comitment to Edge than Indy did. They will look to profile him.

With a Boldin/Fitz I cannot see how any team can put 8 in the box. I also think Az WR are better blockers than Harrison/Wayne.

I suspect, with the fact the team is playing in a new stadium has a star to block for(for the first time ever) the O-line will have a diffrent outlook on thier comitment. I do not think the mental aspect of those two things should be overlooked, and will contribute to Edges #'s.

He will also be playing in a weaker NFC division, wich could also help his numbers.

In the end I can see his yardage being a bit lower and his TD's going up. Manning threw allot of td's from the 1yrd line. I would feel just as good about Edge as guys like Portis, Caddy, Jordan ect...
Edge has averaged 27, 24, and 28 touches per game the past 3 seasons. Before that, he averaged 24, 29, 28, and 27 touches. That averages out to 26.5 touches over his career.While other RB may have totaled more touches through 7 seasons, Edge averaged more per game than they did. For example, he's averaged almost 3 touches a game more than Emmitt--so basically his workload has bee 10% greater than any other RB. LT is pretty close, but even he is almost a full touch behind.

The point was that there is a very minute chance that Edge would get MORE of a workload.

IND has averaged 1750 rushing yards and 15 rushing TD over the past 3 seasons with a 3.9 ypc. In that time, ARI has averaged 1445 rushing yards and 7 rushing TD with a 3.5 ypc.

Maybe Edge makes up for some of the difference, but IMO I think Edge has a lot of ground to make up to get back to the numbers he posted in IND.

To be clear, I am not one of the people suggesting that Edge should fall like a rock and rank outside the Top 10. I think he does well enough to stay in the bottom of the Top 10 but not as high as he has been.

 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO. That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often.

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.
 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO.  That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often. 

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.
I agree with your premise but...'04 Raiders OL > '05 Cards OL (like not even close)

 
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If your concerned so much about Edge don't draft him. I will be happy to take him as a RB 2! Last year he slipped to me at 9. I could not beleive it! Hope he slips to me again in second round. Or maybe even late first again. Arizonia will be better at blocking and Edge will find a way to get his yards. I expect more screens then he had in Indy to make up for the lack of room and with BOldin and Fitz he will find room enough to be a top ten back!

I might place Brown in my top ten if Rikki is out of the picture.

Rikki to Denver places Rikki in top ten instantly too!

 
but you'll also notice Gruden used a RBBC approach with Garner. He had a goalline back and also someone else to share carries to reduce his overall load. Caddy's not the gifted receiver Garner was so maybe keeping a goalline back and third down back is the way he'll keep Caddy fresh. He's not the biggest guy.
RBBC or not, Garner's total yards speak for themselves.Even with Pittman in on 3rd downs and Alstott at the goalline Caddy is a top 7 back in non-ppr leagues IMHO.
IMO, Caddy's ceiling is Rudi Johnson with fewer TDs. Rudi has ranked as high as 7th, but Williams will have to score a lot more than he did last year AND stay healthy with an intensive workload. I don't see him in the Top 7, but maybe that's just me.
I couldn't agree more.
 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO.  That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often. 

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.
I agree with your premise but...'04 Raiders OL > '05 Cards OL (like not even close)
But you forgot to mention,Edge > Jordan

 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO. That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often.

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.
Lamont Jordan only had around 1000 yards rushing, so the rushing aspect was still lacking. Lamont's success was due to the receiving game. Although Edge could get 70 receptions, I think its unlikely with Boldin and Fitz.
 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO.  That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often. 

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.
Lamont Jordan only had around 1000 yards rushing, so the rushing aspect was still lacking. Lamont's success was due to the receiving game. Although Edge could get 70 receptions, I think its unlikely with Boldin and Fitz.
Beat me to the :boxing: . A lot of what made Jordan a good value this year was from the passing game. I'll let someone else take the risk with Edge unless it gets to be a real value play. I know it's a new year, but I'm not sure some of you had that good a look at the Cardinals O-line play last year.
 
I think the 9 - 10 hole will be about right for the Edge this season

Remember Portis moving to a 'skins team in 04, without Jenson

NAME POS YR RSH RSHYD YD/RSH FD RSHTD FANT PT

Clinton Portis rb 2003 290 1593 5.49 76 14 274.70

Clinton Portis rb 2004 344 1318 3.83 66 5 202.05

Clinton Portis rb 2005 351 1512 4.31 75 11 243.65

In 05 the O-Line was a better mix and Portis #'s showed .... but he still fell short of '03's production ... I think we'll see the same thing with Edge ... his numbers will take a BIG hit ... but he is still a top tier back, only he'll be playing behind a very questionable line

just my

:2cents:

:bag:

 
alright, first off, I love this post... only cause I'm a James owner and all the imput I read is great (good or bad). My thinking is that some people are not going to be happy with either SJax, Caddy or Brown, I jsut dont know which one yet. Year 2 or 3 backs don't always pan out perfect.. Just look at Kevin Jones and Julius this year, sure JJ was hurt, but two years in a row, maybe he is fragile, and kevin was basically bust material, not to mention Willis.. so my arguement for Edge moving up form nine to around 5, 6, 7 is just that I assume a couple of those young guys won't pan out the way we think but you know Edge, you he's a "baller" -edge

but we'll see... I may not even keep the guy

i say

1. LJ

2. LT

3. SA

4. Portis

5. Brown

6. Edge

7. Jordan

8. Rudi

9.Barber

10. Julius

11. Caddy

 
There have been other times when a team acquired a new RB after ranking dead last in some key rushing categories. Look no farther back then last year with Lamont Jordan.

Lamont Jordan only had around 1000 yards rushing, so the rushing aspect was still lacking. Lamont's success was due to the receiving game. Although Edge could get 70 receptions, I think its unlikely with Boldin and Fitz.

Lamar Jordon is my 4th back this year. You guys are forgetting he did what he did last year against the tuffest run defense schedule by far of any back!

Throw in Art Shell and you have the recipie for a huge year from Lamont.

If anyone can break that top 3 tier 1 lock Lamont is the man that will do it IMO!

So with that said a weighted top 13 based on these discussions half WEIGHTED 1 PPR!

1. LT

2. LJ

3. SA

4. LAMONT

5. TIKI

6. PORTIS

7. EDGE

8. SJAX

9. Westbrook

10. Rudi

11. Cadallac

12. Brown (if Rikki out of picture)

13. Julias

I dropped Cadallac based on 3RD DOWN Pittman, and goal line Alstott comments.

This is not my general opinion. It's more the concess weighted opinion. It still does not have Dynasty (age) weighted in.

 
Lamar Jordon is my 4th back this year. You guys are forgetting he did what he did last year against the tuffest run defense schedule by far of any back!

Throw in Art Shell and you have the recipie for a huge year from Lamont.

If anyone can break that top 3 tier 1 lock Lamont is the man that will do it IMO!

So with that said a weighted top 13 based on these discussions half WEIGHTED 1 PPR!

1. LT

2. LJ

3. SA

4. LAMONT

5. TIKI

6. PORTIS

7. EDGE

8. SJAX

9. Westbrook

10. Rudi

11. Cadallac

12. Brown (if Rikki out of picture)

13. Julias

I dropped Cadallac based on 3RD DOWN Pittman, and goal line Alstott comments.

This is not my general opinion. It's more the concess weighted opinion. It still does not have Dynasty (age) weighted in.
Tough schedule or not, he still barely got 1000 yards rushing.I realize that he missed the last part, so he appears worst than he would have had he played the entire season.

Lamont Jordan ranked 8th, so in what areas do you see him improving in to warrant the #4 spot?

-Lamont had a great year for receiving with 70 receptions and almost 600 yards. Kinda hard to improve on that IMO.

-Jordan also had 11 TDs, which was 33% of all Oakland Raider TDs. To put it in perspective, LT had 39% of San Diego's TDs, Portis had 25%, Edge had 26%, Tiki had 24%. Unless the Raiders become alot better on offense, I do not see any sort of large jump for TDs.

This year, the gap between the 4th RB and the 8th RB was 81 points. I think Jordan will do fine this year and looks good to be in the top 10 again, but it seems he doesn't have much room to improve to get up around the #4 RB.

This year, I see Jordan declining, moreso than improving because 1600 total yards and 11 TDs is not something that is easily improved upon.

 
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I dug this out of the archieves from last year in discussions on Lamont Jordan . . .

Here are examples of times when a team ranked dead last in rushing in one year but produced a Top 12 RB the next . . .

* = New RB added to team

2004: Raiders (1,295): Lamont Jordan (8)*

2000: Chargers (1,062): LaDainian Tomlinson (7)*

1995: Jets (1,279): Adrian Murrell (12)

1993: Colts (1,288): Marshall Faulk (4)*

1990: Browns (1,220): Kevin Mack (10) AND Leroy Hoard (14)

1987: Falcons (1,297): John Settle (7)

1980: Saints (1,362): George Rogers (4)*

1979: Bills (1,621): Joe Cribbs (3)*

1976: Seahawks (1,416): Sherman Smith (11)

So in the past 30 years, there were 9 times that there was a Top 12 RB the year after.

Of course, this could have nothing at all to do with the situation in Arizona, but it was interesting to see what happened to other teams in similar situations.

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).

 
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RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).
No you are not.But the top 3 are so close ya really cant go wrong.

my surrent:

LJ

SA

LT2

 
LJ has never played an entire season...I flip flop between him and SA depending on the type of league.

 
Many others, inlcuding SA, TD, Clinton Portis, Marshall Faulk, and Edgerrin James, had simliar numbers or even had significant declines.
Ummm...Clinton Portis had similar numbers because his rookie year was already off the charts. It's not exactly easy to improve on 1500 & 15.

Same thing for Edge. How much of an improvement over 2000 total yards and 17 TDs do you want?

I'm drawing a blank at the TD initials. Certainly you don't mean Terrell Davis who improved significantly from rookie to sophomore year?

Caddy Williams had an above average rookie year stat wise, and that bodes well for him in the future.

 
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FWIW, here is my ridiculously-early top 10 RB (PPR) list

1 LT

2 LJ

3 Alexander

4 Tiki

5 Portis

6 Jordan

7 Edge

8 Westbrook

9 Caddy

10 Rudi \ SJax (tie)

 
If anyone has seen the Cards OL last year, then Edge's ranking is fine, and could even be lower IMO. That OL was absolutely atrocious and AVERAGED 3.2 YPC.

The RB spot was not a MAJOR concern for them IMO, it was the fact that Arrington or Shipp had no where to go and were being hit in the backfield so often.

Arizona ranked DEAD LAST in the NFL in the following areas;

-carries

-rushing yards

-YPC average

-rushing TDs

-rushing first downs

-# carries over 20 yards

That is last EVERY single rushing category!!

Edge is still gonna get trampled in the backfield many many times.

Very :goodposting:

When the Cards sign/draft someone to improve their O-Line, and sign a decent back up QB to Warner, I start moving Edge up, until then he is in a free fall

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved.  As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football.  I am not exaggerating.
Jackson WAY too high, not in top 15, IMO..HC Linehan has only coached 1 rb to go over double digit tds, Moe Williams..and only once has a RB under Linehan gone over 1000 yards, Bennett ( but he only scored 5 rush td that year) ..yawn..expect more of the same,especially when you have a jack-of-all-trades HOF-er in the house, Faulk, who can run,catch, etc.. bullish on jackson bigtime..the loss of Hutch will hurt SA immensely, IMO..but he'll still be a top 5-10 RB.

Jordan WAY to high..

Ron Brown belongs on this list if Ricky is traded..

Dom Davis belongs on the list if houston DOESN't draft Bush and gets Brick instead..Kubiak's offenses always produce top 10 RB's..

<insert Denver's starting RB here> always in the top ten with/without kubiak..

good list though

and i think Edge will be a top 5 RB without question..Denny green will force feed him the ball..he's too talented to drop below some of the other guys on your list,like jordan..

:thumbup:

 
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Many others, inlcuding SA, TD, Clinton Portis, Marshall Faulk, and Edgerrin James, had simliar numbers or even had significant declines.
Ummm...Clinton Portis had similar numbers because his rookie year was already off the charts. It's not exactly easy to improve on 1500 & 15.

Same thing for Edge. How much of an improvement over 2000 total yards and 17 TDs do you want?

I'm drawing a blank at the TD initials. Certainly you don't mean Terrell Davis who improved significantly from rookie to sophomore year?

Caddy Williams had an above average rookie year stat wise, and that bodes well for him in the future.
I'm not interested in going through each individual running back to show that there is no rule that good RBs tend to or don't tend to improve significantly in their second season. Some do, and some don't. I need a good REASON why Caddy will improve, not a statistical correlation. Even you don't have anything to say about some of the names i brought up, like Faulk or SA.Btw, what I meant by Terrell Davis was that even though he had improved stats, it was a result of increased workload, since his YPC declined.

I think that when you have young, rebuilding teams that identify an Emmit or LT2, they build the offense around them, and those players get more carries and also benefit from an offense that is tuned to them. Some players decline b/c of injuries. Others decline b/c some other player on the roster takes on a significant role in the running game or the short passing game. Past performance does not cause future success, nor is it a particularly reliable indicator of future success. To me, Caddy Williams is a talented RB who compiled good overall numbers, but who did less with his opportunities than I like to see from a guy I would be drafting as RB1. He has another versatile and talented RB on the roster, he is not a gifted receiver out of the backfield, and he plays for a coach who is notable for his reliance on RBBC. He also plays with a FB who will vulture some goaline carries. Those are reasons why he won't be an RB1, or at least not a very good one.

 
Sorry to hijack, but Gopher, do you have some pathological aversion to the "reply" box below each message? There's no need to copy some one else's message into your yours -- just click on the box and it happens automatically.
 
RB Rankings

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Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).
The play-by-play guy for San Diego said that before LT came to the Chargers, San Diego had one of the worst offensive lines he'd ever seen.
 
Everyone seems to be knocking Arizonia line in here as to why they were so bad last year. Gotta consider the rushers behind the line too! Shipp and Arlington are no Edgerton James!

James could probably get his yards without a line! lol

 
Sorry to hijack, but Gopher, do you have some pathological aversion to the "reply" box below each message? There's no need to copy some one else's message into your yours -- just click on the box and it happens automatically.
:goodposting: Perhaps it's some kind of schtick?

 
Everyone seems to be knocking Arizonia line in here as to why they were so bad last year. Gotta consider the rushers behind the line too! Shipp and Arlington are no Edgerton James!

James could probably get his yards without a line! lol
Since someone mentioned pathological aversion's I'm wondering if it is your mission in life to misspell every NFL players name.Rikki Williams

JJ Arlington

Edgerton James

:no:

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved. As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football. I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved.  As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football.  I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
MOP -I already spelled out that in his time in IND, Edge's workload has been bigger (per game) than any other RB over his 7 years in the league. In IND the last few years, Edge was not a Top 3 back.

Even if he somehow were to keep the massive workload he had in IND, he'd have to do BETTER in ARI.

I personally do not see him getting either A) more intense a workload, B) more production, or C) a combination of the two.

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).
The play-by-play guy for San Diego said that before LT came to the Chargers, San Diego had one of the worst offensive lines he'd ever seen.
And many on this board cited the horrible offensive line as a reason Tomlinson would struggle in San Diego.
 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved. As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football. I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
When you say plenty of carries, do you mean 500?
 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).
The play-by-play guy for San Diego said that before LT came to the Chargers, San Diego had one of the worst offensive lines he'd ever seen.
And many on this board cited the horrible offensive line as a reason Tomlinson would struggle in San Diego.
Clearly, Edge in 2006 does not equal LT as second year player. But Edge is no slouch. I read a lot of talk that Edge isn't the same Edge he used to be. In his defense, Edge is still a strong runner with great hands. AZ didn't pay Edge all that money to get just 12 touches per game. I'm not saying Edge will finish #2 or even #5. However, let's not dismiss Edge's talent.

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved.  As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football.  I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
MOP -I already spelled out that in his time in IND, Edge's workload has been bigger (per game) than any other RB over his 7 years in the league. In IND the last few years, Edge was not a Top 3 back.

Even if he somehow were to keep the massive workload he had in IND, he'd have to do BETTER in ARI.

I personally do not see him getting either A) more intense a workload, B) more production, or C) a combination of the two.
I see Edge getting somewhere between 320-345 carries for the season. I also see him getting the ball out of the backfield some. Maybe 40+ catches and that means he will touch the ball between 350-400 times. I also think he will be able to move the sticks, something the other RB there were not able to do. Longer drives=more scoring opps=less time the defense is on the field=maybe even playing with the lead...I think Edge will flourish in AZ. WHen he played on natural grass in Miami he was a beast, I'm anxious to see him back on that playing field more often.I think Edge will be one of the much better picks...he should not be there past the 1st 5 picks...if he is and its my turn to pick I would lock him up fast. He is surely going to get 1,500 yds and 10 TD...he's always good for that...he is more likely to produce 1,700-1,800 yds and 12+ TD...and he has a chance to exceed that. Look LT had amazing numbers and not that great of an OL...who has really been running in AZ...even Emmitt Smith showed that at the end of his career that you could find room to run there...he posted pretty good numbers for an old man there. 937/9 his final season...Edge can surely do better than that. Let's assume Edge only gets 3.8 a carry there. 1,200 rushing yds/320 carries. AZ RB caught over 90 balls last season. Edge can surely get 40-50 of those. At 8 yds a pice that's maybe another 350.

We are at 1,500+ yds before we even get to the TD...I think AZ has a lot of weapons and will produce some points. 1,500-1,800 yds for Edge...9-15 TD perhaps...where does that put him? Certainly top10...top5...maybe top3? Edge seems like a safer choice than the Herm Edwards led Chiefs to me...

Can't go with the flow that you all are on yet...and I highly respect you DY...highly.

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved.  As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football.  I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
MOP -I already spelled out that in his time in IND, Edge's workload has been bigger (per game) than any other RB over his 7 years in the league. In IND the last few years, Edge was not a Top 3 back.

Even if he somehow were to keep the massive workload he had in IND, he'd have to do BETTER in ARI.

I personally do not see him getting either A) more intense a workload, B) more production, or C) a combination of the two.
I see Edge getting somewhere between 320-345 carries for the season. I also see him getting the ball out of the backfield some. Maybe 40+ catches and that means he will touch the ball between 350-400 times. I also think he will be able to move the sticks, something the other RB there were not able to do. Longer drives=more scoring opps=less time the defense is on the field=maybe even playing with the lead...I think Edge will flourish in AZ. WHen he played on natural grass in Miami he was a beast, I'm anxious to see him back on that playing field more often.I think Edge will be one of the much better picks...he should not be there past the 1st 5 picks...if he is and its my turn to pick I would lock him up fast. He is surely going to get 1,500 yds and 10 TD...he's always good for that...he is more likely to produce 1,700-1,800 yds and 12+ TD...and he has a chance to exceed that. Look LT had amazing numbers and not that great of an OL...who has really been running in AZ...even Emmitt Smith showed that at the end of his career that you could find room to run there...he posted pretty good numbers for an old man there. 937/9 his final season...Edge can surely do better than that. Let's assume Edge only gets 3.8 a carry there. 1,200 rushing yds/320 carries. AZ RB caught over 90 balls last season. Edge can surely get 40-50 of those. At 8 yds a pice that's maybe another 350.

We are at 1,500+ yds before we even get to the TD...I think AZ has a lot of weapons and will produce some points. 1,500-1,800 yds for Edge...9-15 TD perhaps...where does that put him? Certainly top10...top5...maybe top3? Edge seems like a safer choice than the Herm Edwards led Chiefs to me...

Can't go with the flow that you all are on yet...and I highly respect you DY...highly.
We're all friends here and I am not looking to preach about Edge, the Cards, or predictability of stats.If we hit the target smack dab in the middle of what your numbers are and come up with 1650 total yards and 12 TD, that equates to 237 fantasy points. Over the past 5 years, that total would have ranked 7, 8, 8, 10, and 6 (2005-->2001).

I'm not saying Edge is not still a mid first round pick, but he will have to do leaps and bounds better than any Cardinals RB since Ottis Anderson's rookie year to get close to the Top 3 while maintaining a huge workload.

Even at 340 carries and 45 receptions, that's a DECREASE in his workload compared to last year and other seasons. Unfortunately, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Edge does BETTER in 2006.

He's still, IMO, a solid pick and a likely Top 10 RB (if healthy), but I personally see him out of the Top 5. Any time you can get a decent bet for a Top 10 RB in the first round you should take it, but to expect to get a lot more out of him is pretty much wishful thinking in my book.

 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved. As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football. I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
MOP -I already spelled out that in his time in IND, Edge's workload has been bigger (per game) than any other RB over his 7 years in the league. In IND the last few years, Edge was not a Top 3 back.

Even if he somehow were to keep the massive workload he had in IND, he'd have to do BETTER in ARI.

I personally do not see him getting either A) more intense a workload, B) more production, or C) a combination of the two.
I see Edge getting somewhere between 320-345 carries for the season. I also see him getting the ball out of the backfield some. Maybe 40+ catches and that means he will touch the ball between 350-400 times. I also think he will be able to move the sticks, something the other RB there were not able to do. Longer drives=more scoring opps=less time the defense is on the field=maybe even playing with the lead...I think Edge will flourish in AZ. WHen he played on natural grass in Miami he was a beast, I'm anxious to see him back on that playing field more often.I think Edge will be one of the much better picks...he should not be there past the 1st 5 picks...if he is and its my turn to pick I would lock him up fast. He is surely going to get 1,500 yds and 10 TD...he's always good for that...he is more likely to produce 1,700-1,800 yds and 12+ TD...and he has a chance to exceed that. Look LT had amazing numbers and not that great of an OL...who has really been running in AZ...even Emmitt Smith showed that at the end of his career that you could find room to run there...he posted pretty good numbers for an old man there. 937/9 his final season...Edge can surely do better than that. Let's assume Edge only gets 3.8 a carry there. 1,200 rushing yds/320 carries. AZ RB caught over 90 balls last season. Edge can surely get 40-50 of those. At 8 yds a pice that's maybe another 350.

We are at 1,500+ yds before we even get to the TD...I think AZ has a lot of weapons and will produce some points. 1,500-1,800 yds for Edge...9-15 TD perhaps...where does that put him? Certainly top10...top5...maybe top3? Edge seems like a safer choice than the Herm Edwards led Chiefs to me...

Can't go with the flow that you all are on yet...and I highly respect you DY...highly.
We're all friends here and I am not looking to preach about Edge, the Cards, or predictability of stats.If we hit the target smack dab in the middle of what your numbers are and come up with 1650 total yards and 12 TD, that equates to 237 fantasy points. Over the past 5 years, that total would have ranked 7, 8, 8, 10, and 6 (2005-->2001).

I'm not saying Edge is not still a mid first round pick, but he will have to do leaps and bounds better than any Cardinals RB since Ottis Anderson's rookie year to get close to the Top 3 while maintaining a huge workload.

Even at 340 carries and 45 receptions, that's a DECREASE in his workload compared to last year and other seasons. Unfortunately, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Edge does BETTER in 2006.

He's still, IMO, a solid pick and a likely Top 10 RB (if healthy), but I personally see him out of the Top 5. Any time you can get a decent bet for a Top 10 RB in the first round you should take it, but to expect to get a lot more out of him is pretty much wishful thinking in my book.
Here sayeth the voice of reason :goodposting:
 
RB Rankings

----Tier 1-----------

Alexander

LJ

LT

-----Tier 2----------

Tiki

Portis

Jordan

Cadillac

Jackson

#9 Edge

I cannot endorse a higher ranking until I see substantive proof that the O Line has improved.  As an Arizona resident I can tell you last year's group was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen in my 20 years of watching NFL football.  I am not exaggerating.
Edge has a legitimate shot at top3 this year. He will get plenty of carries.
MOP -I already spelled out that in his time in IND, Edge's workload has been bigger (per game) than any other RB over his 7 years in the league. In IND the last few years, Edge was not a Top 3 back.

Even if he somehow were to keep the massive workload he had in IND, he'd have to do BETTER in ARI.

I personally do not see him getting either A) more intense a workload, B) more production, or C) a combination of the two.
I see Edge getting somewhere between 320-345 carries for the season. I also see him getting the ball out of the backfield some. Maybe 40+ catches and that means he will touch the ball between 350-400 times. I also think he will be able to move the sticks, something the other RB there were not able to do. Longer drives=more scoring opps=less time the defense is on the field=maybe even playing with the lead...I think Edge will flourish in AZ. WHen he played on natural grass in Miami he was a beast, I'm anxious to see him back on that playing field more often.I think Edge will be one of the much better picks...he should not be there past the 1st 5 picks...if he is and its my turn to pick I would lock him up fast. He is surely going to get 1,500 yds and 10 TD...he's always good for that...he is more likely to produce 1,700-1,800 yds and 12+ TD...and he has a chance to exceed that. Look LT had amazing numbers and not that great of an OL...who has really been running in AZ...even Emmitt Smith showed that at the end of his career that you could find room to run there...he posted pretty good numbers for an old man there. 937/9 his final season...Edge can surely do better than that. Let's assume Edge only gets 3.8 a carry there. 1,200 rushing yds/320 carries. AZ RB caught over 90 balls last season. Edge can surely get 40-50 of those. At 8 yds a pice that's maybe another 350.

We are at 1,500+ yds before we even get to the TD...I think AZ has a lot of weapons and will produce some points. 1,500-1,800 yds for Edge...9-15 TD perhaps...where does that put him? Certainly top10...top5...maybe top3? Edge seems like a safer choice than the Herm Edwards led Chiefs to me...

Can't go with the flow that you all are on yet...and I highly respect you DY...highly.
We're all friends here and I am not looking to preach about Edge, the Cards, or predictability of stats.If we hit the target smack dab in the middle of what your numbers are and come up with 1650 total yards and 12 TD, that equates to 237 fantasy points. Over the past 5 years, that total would have ranked 7, 8, 8, 10, and 6 (2005-->2001).

I'm not saying Edge is not still a mid first round pick, but he will have to do leaps and bounds better than any Cardinals RB since Ottis Anderson's rookie year to get close to the Top 3 while maintaining a huge workload.

Even at 340 carries and 45 receptions, that's a DECREASE in his workload compared to last year and other seasons. Unfortunately, I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Edge does BETTER in 2006.

He's still, IMO, a solid pick and a likely Top 10 RB (if healthy), but I personally see him out of the Top 5. Any time you can get a decent bet for a Top 10 RB in the first round you should take it, but to expect to get a lot more out of him is pretty much wishful thinking in my book.
How many other RB currently on an NFL roster have avg 1,800 yds and 11 TD for the past 3 seasons?LT, Shaun, and ...I can't think of another...I would love to hear who has actually averaged that total for each of the past 3 seasons. I admit the KC RB slot exceeds these numbers so I will give it a big pass however I am not syre Herm will keep up the pace...Vermeil was running the ship and he isn't now.

 
I picked Edge at 9 last year and was extremely pleased other then he cost me playoff advancement because Indy clinched so early. I think 9 is a fair place to rank him with team switch. At least you don't have to worry about him sitting your most inportant fantasy weeks playing in the dessert! :thumbup:

 
I picked Edge at 9 last year and was extremely pleased other then he cost me playoff advancement because Indy clinched so early. I think 9 is a fair place to rank him with team switch. At least you don't have to worry about him sitting your most inportant fantasy weeks playing in the dessert! :thumbup:
:goodposting: Some would say he's more valuable in FF now. ;)

I didn't think this was even debateable really, somewhere between 5-10, but a safer bet than anyone after Portis.

 
How many other RB currently on an NFL roster have avg 1,800 yds and 11 TD for the past 3 seasons?LT, Shaun, and ...I can't think of another...I would love to hear who has actually averaged that total for each of the past 3 seasons. I admit the KC RB slot exceeds these numbers so I will give it a big pass however I am not sure Herm will keep up the pace...Vermeil was running the ship and he isn't now.
There's no doubt that Edge IN INDIANAPOLIS is in rare company. Holmes/LJ, LT, SA, and Barber with Portis slightly behind on a ppg basis.There's not a lot of precident for a RB coming off an 1,800 yard season switching teams. That being said . . .Dickerson went from the Rams to the Colts and ranked #1 in both placesFaulk left IND for STL and his ranked inched up from 3 to 2.Walker left DAL for MIN and dropped from 3 to 11.Portis went from 4 in DEN to 11 in WAS.Watters went from 6 in SF to 5 in PHI. He also went from 9 in PHI to 9 in SEA.Another somewhat similar case was Simpson, who got hurt his last year in Buffalo and went to SF. His ranking went 3 with the Bills to 53 with the 49ers.All those other guys still did fairly well (save Simpson), but none of them had to play in Arizona. I still think playing for the Cards will cost him some in terms of opportunities and total productivity (but not as dire as some others may think).
 
How many other RB currently on an NFL roster have avg 1,800 yds and 11 TD for the past 3 seasons?

LT, Shaun, and ...I can't think of another...I would love to hear who has actually averaged that total for each of the past 3 seasons. I admit the KC RB slot exceeds these numbers so I will give it a big pass however I am not sure Herm will keep up the pace...Vermeil was running the ship and he isn't now.
There's no doubt that Edge IN INDIANAPOLIS is in rare company. Holmes/LJ, LT, SA, and Barber with Portis slightly behind on a ppg basis.There's not a lot of precident for a RB coming off an 1,800 yard season switching teams. That being said . . .

Dickerson went from the Rams to the Colts and ranked #1 in both places

Faulk left IND for STL and his ranked inched up from 3 to 2.

Walker left DAL for MIN and dropped from 3 to 11.

Portis went from 4 in DEN to 11 in WAS.

Watters went from 6 in SF to 5 in PHI. He also went from 9 in PHI to 9 in SEA.

Another somewhat similar case was Simpson, who got hurt his last year in Buffalo and went to SF. His ranking went 3 with the Bills to 53 with the 49ers.

All those other guys still did fairly well (save Simpson), but none of them had to play in Arizona. I still think playing for the Cards will cost him some in terms of opportunities and total productivity (but not as dire as some others may think).
When will you be able to except Arizona is not a weak team. When they show you in 06/07 playoffs? They have the best WR COMBO IN THE LEAGUE ,PEROID!THEY HAVE A BETTER PASSING GAME THAN THEY HAD IN INDY,PERIOD.(MANNING SMANNING) KURT WARNER IS A SUPERBOWL MVP. MANNING WILL NEVER SNIFF THE BIG GAME. BOLDIN/FITZ EITHER ONE IS BETTER THAN THE BEST INDY WR (EVEN HARRISON IS HIS PRIME) YOU ALL CAN COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT ABOUT THE LINE BUT I AM GOING TO SAVE THIS THREAD AND BRING IT UP HALF WAY THREW NEXT SEASON WHEN EVERYONE IS PIMPING THE CARDS. AND I WILL ASK WHERE IS YOUR FORSIGHT. EVRYONE HERE IS LIKE A BUNCH OF ZOMBIES, THEY JUST GO WITH POPULAR OPINION AND WHAT THEY HERE ON ESPN.

 
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The Cards had Warner, Boldin, and Fitz last year and what did that do for the running game?
:shrug: last in the NFL, but would Arrington and Shipp do better elsewhere? Maybe that's why they signed Edge. ;)

 
The Cards had Warner, Boldin, and Fitz last year and what did that do for the running game?
nothing.You could have jj or shipp running behing the kc oline and be lucky to have 1000 yard back.

This is not the RB from last year. This is a team that will be healthy on the oline

The dline will be healthy keep the games closer.

Bottom line the Cards will do a 180 from last season. Respect cards!

 
Let's keep up the Edge bashing all offseason please. I want to be able to land him at the end of the 2nd in my redrafts :thumbup:

 
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Let's keep up the Edge bashing all offseason please. I want to be able to land him at the end of the 2nd in my redrafts :thumbup:
Most of us aren't "Edge Bashing", we're bashing the Cards O-line.
 
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Alexander

LJ

LT
Am I the only one wondering why Larry Johnson isn't #1?Anyway, the addition of a great RB can do wonders for an offensive line.

In 2000, the Chargers ranked 28th in rushing attempts (with 351), 31st in rushing yards (1062), 31st in rushing ypa (3.03) and 28th in rushing TDs (seven). Remember that there were only 31 teams that season.

In 2001, the Chargers rankings 18th in attempts (435), 20th in yards (1695), 20th in ypa (3.90), and 11th in TDs (13).
All the Top 3 have knocks against them.LJ - Hasn't played 16 games. Lost FB Tony Richardson (getting overlooked, but HUGE).

SA - Disruption on the offensive line (Hutchinson). Hard to top last year, leading to an expectation of decline for 2006.

LT2 - Loss of Brees, which refocuses the defenses on him. Also, has had rather unproductive Decembers two of the last three seasons. Risk of breaking down. Turner nipping at his heels to boot (but not much of an effect - hardly the "give him every third series" that KC tried last year).

I put them LJ, LT2, SA in that order. LJ has LOW mileage, so I like him a bit more in Dynasty than LT2.

 
Let's keep up the Edge bashing all offseason please. I want to be able to land him at the end of the 2nd in my redrafts :thumbup:
Good luck with that. If he was still available there, I'd check the blogger to make sure he wasn't out with an ACL.
 
How many other RB currently on an NFL roster have avg 1,800 yds and 11 TD for the past 3 seasons?

LT, Shaun, and ...I can't think of another...I would love to hear who has actually averaged that total for each of the past 3 seasons. I admit the KC RB slot exceeds these numbers so I will give it a big pass however I am not sure Herm will keep up the pace...Vermeil was running the ship and he isn't now.
There's no doubt that Edge IN INDIANAPOLIS is in rare company. Holmes/LJ, LT, SA, and Barber with Portis slightly behind on a ppg basis.There's not a lot of precident for a RB coming off an 1,800 yard season switching teams. That being said . . .

Dickerson went from the Rams to the Colts and ranked #1 in both places

Faulk left IND for STL and his ranked inched up from 3 to 2.

Walker left DAL for MIN and dropped from 3 to 11.

Portis went from 4 in DEN to 11 in WAS.

Watters went from 6 in SF to 5 in PHI. He also went from 9 in PHI to 9 in SEA.

Another somewhat similar case was Simpson, who got hurt his last year in Buffalo and went to SF. His ranking went 3 with the Bills to 53 with the 49ers.

All those other guys still did fairly well (save Simpson), but none of them had to play in Arizona. I still think playing for the Cards will cost him some in terms of opportunities and total productivity (but not as dire as some others may think).
When will you be able to except Arizona is not a weak team. When they show you in 06/07 playoffs? They have the best WR COMBO IN THE LEAGUE ,PEROID!THEY HAVE A BETTER PASSING GAME THAN THEY HAD IN INDY,PERIOD.(MANNING SMANNING) KURT WARNER IS A SUPERBOWL MVP. MANNING WILL NEVER SNIFF THE BIG GAME. BOLDIN/FITZ EITHER ONE IS BETTER THAN THE BEST INDY WR (EVEN HARRISON IS HIS PRIME) YOU ALL CAN COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT ABOUT THE LINE BUT I AM GOING TO SAVE THIS THREAD AND BRING IT UP HALF WAY THREW NEXT SEASON WHEN EVERYONE IS PIMPING THE CARDS. AND I WILL ASK WHERE IS YOUR FORSIGHT. EVRYONE HERE IS LIKE A BUNCH OF ZOMBIES, THEY JUST GO WITH POPULAR OPINION AND WHAT THEY HERE ON ESPN.
Let's keep up the Edge bashing all offseason please. I want to be able to land him at the end of the 2nd in my redrafts :thumbup:
I think you are both wildly missing the point. I hardly think saying that a running back who has finished as the 5th and 6th running back the past two years should be ranked ninth constitutes bashing. Edge is an extremely successful NFL running back who is moving from one of the best teams in the league to one of the worst. I see no reason why droping him a few spots in our rankings based on the fact that he is in a new situation is unreasonable. No one has said that Edge is a horrible player. Just that it is unlikely that he will match his production from last year.

 

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