Navy Seals save captain and wack some pirates.... (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

Even if this is covered in standard response and the Prez isn't required to authorize anything, I really don't see the issue in him taking the positive PR from saying he authorized the situation (I'm going to assume it's true even if it wasn't necessary.) Like Bush, Clinton, or any other President in history wouldn't have done the same thing?I hate the two party system and the fact that it seems to turn people into a bunch of lemmings following a letter.

Well again to be clear I am not trying to say that the White House isn't telling the truth. I am just surprised they needed approval at that level.

My best guess is that he authorized a military plan that simply got accelerated--and likely changed--by them pointing barrels at the captain's head.

 

[NCCommish]

Even if this is covered in standard response and the Prez isn't required to authorize anything, I really don't see the issue in him taking the positive PR from saying he authorized the situation (I'm going to assume it's true even if it wasn't necessary.) Like Bush, Clinton, or any other President in history wouldn't have done the same thing?I hate the two party system and the fact that it seems to turn people into a bunch of lemmings following a letter.

Well again to be clear I am not trying to say that the White House isn't telling the truth. I am just surprised they needed approval at that level.

My best guess is that he authorized a military plan that simply got accelerated--and likely changed--by them pointing barrels at the captain's head.

Seems like a reasonable guess.

 

[QUEZILLA]

This is what I read that I was referring to a few post back.

In 1991, the government of Somalia [...] collapsed. Its 9 million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country’s food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the U.N. envoy to Somalia, tells me: “Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it.” Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to “dispose” of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: “Nothing. There has been no cleanup, no compensation and no prevention.”

between this and the dirty deals Europe did with Saddam as he was slaughtering people by the barrel, I question the push to emulate or even respect our European "friends."

I'm sure US companies are clean as a whistle.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Obviously this sounds like SEAL's so given that these guys are about as close to superhuman as you can get, what are the chances they have been in the water for a while, day or so, just waiting for their opportunity? How insane would that be? How possible would that be?

I'm thinking this is probably true.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It says there was "minutes" of gunfire. I can't believe the battle took that long. Two questions:

How/why did the pirates not take out the captain once hell broke loose? It would take a second. They had to know they were toast; can't believe they didn't take him down on the way out.

And why did it take the Seals so long to kill 3 men on a small boat? I realize how great they are, I'm not taking that away from them, by any means. I'm just curious about the battle. Rocking boats in choppy seas would make it difficult, I know, and keeping the captain out of the line of fire is another thing, but that still seems like an awfully long time.

 

[Chadstroma]

 

[SofaKings]

I believe I read that it was snipers on the fantail of the Bainbridge.

 

[Zasada]

I believe I read that it was snipers on the fantail of the Bainbridge.

I read that too. There are times when we ask ourselves "can't we just send in the SEALS, isn't this their raison d'etre?"This is when we get payback on our investment. I have no training in guns but I imagine shooting from one pitching boat to another pitching boat and hitting the target isn't exactly easy. Actually, my guess is that it's pretty frakking hard. Big :thumbsup: for the SEALS. Oh and how long before this is a book/movie? I imagine the captain will be on 60 Minutes in two weeks. Book/movie shortly thereafter.

 

[3C's]

It says there was "minutes" of gunfire. I can't believe the battle took that long. Two questions:How/why did the pirates not take out the captain once hell broke loose? It would take a second. They had to know they were toast; can't believe they didn't take him down on the way out.And why did it take the Seals so long to kill 3 men on a small boat? I realize how great they are, I'm not taking that away from them, by any means. I'm just curious about the battle. Rocking boats in choppy seas would make it difficult, I know, and keeping the captain out of the line of fire is another thing, but that still seems like an awfully long time.

I don't think the pirates had a chance to return fire. Snipers took aim, and when all 3 pirates were exposed (they were in a covered boat) they each got a bullet in the head.

 

[Mjolnirs]

And why did it take the Seals so long to kill 3 men on a small boat?

From what I've seen, including this CNN video they were in a covered lifeboat, not just sitting in an open boat in the water.

 

[Homer @ RJ]

Peens/Brutis/Jim11/Crosseyes

GB America

 

[Homer @ RJ]

I wonder if Peens/Brutis is upset at how this went off so perfectly? He's said many times he's rooting for Obama and America to fail while he's in office.

 

[Follows Closely]

Peens/Brutis/Jim11/Crosseyes

GB America

Did I miss something?

 

[P Boy]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

 

[NCCommish]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

 

[Dragons]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

I think it's time to send a team in to rescue the rest of the hostages. If every last pirate dies along the way, even better.

 

[P Boy]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

Agreed. I don't understand what they hope to accomplish by escalating the situation. And I'm extremely surprised that the pirates aren't inviting the news media around the world to put forth their case of why they feel they have had to resort to piracy in the first place. Don't get me wrong, the pirates deserved what they got in this scenario, but if they are rationalizing and justifying their actions by the way their country has been run into the ground by the apparent wholesale dumping of European nuclear waste, getting into an armed pissing contest with the Western nations is downright suicidal.

 

[apalmer]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

On the other hand, what else can the pirates say? "Oh, we've learned a valuable lesson and the next time somebody is upset that we took hostages, we'll quickly release them. We didn't know anyone really cared."

 

[NCCommish]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

On the other hand, what else can the pirates say? "Oh, we've learned a valuable lesson and the next time somebody is upset that we took hostages, we'll quickly release them. We didn't know anyone really cared."

Declaring your rag tag coastal fishing fleet is at war with the only remaining superpower is never a good idea. We can remove their entire pirate infrastructure in one fell swoop. Further declaring you will kill hostages just means crews will now fight. It is just like the hijacking scenario as it exists in the US now. No one believes they are safer following the hijackers instructions than they are fighting. Lastly it means NATO and the unaligned countries now have to look at a serious military response to the current situation. As mentioned what they shoudl have done was used the media attention to their advantage to win sympathy with world opinion making military response harder to contemplate. No good can come from this for these guys.

 

[NCCommish]

U.S. Military Considers Attacks on Somali Pirates’ Land Bases

The U.S. military is considering attacks on pirate bases on land and aid for the Somali people to help stem ship hijackings off Africa’s east coast, defense officials said.

The military also is drawing up proposals to aid the fledgling Somalia government to train security forces and develop its own coast guard, said the officials, who requested anonymity.

BloombergAnd the attack on the US Congressman today will make military response that much easier.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

We should dump toxic waste off their coast, and poison them all. That will show them.

 

[Osaurus]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

We should dump toxic waste off their coast, and poison them all. That will show them.

Hell hath no fury like a pirate scorned.

 

[P Boy]

U.S. Military Considers Attacks on Somali Pirates’ Land Bases

The U.S. military is considering attacks on pirate bases on land and aid for the Somali people to help stem ship hijackings off Africa’s east coast, defense officials said.

The military also is drawing up proposals to aid the fledgling Somalia government to train security forces and develop its own coast guard, said the officials, who requested anonymity.

BloombergAnd the attack on the US Congressman today will make military response that much easier.

Just as a curious sidenote, why aren't we holding up European nations to stand forth and provide aid (as well as clean up), since it seems that it is their nuclear waste that stimulated the crisis in the first place? The Europeans are more than happy to shove our nose in a pile when we screw up - how about that they take some responsibility for their policies, and furthermore, how about the US (read: Obama or any other person in the Administration or Congress) calling them to task for it, especially since our politicians have no problems hammering and hamstringing the US when it comes to what they perceive as the mess we're making of the planet? It would sure be nice to see a little blowback here....

 

[NCCommish]

U.S. Military Considers Attacks on Somali Pirates’ Land Bases

The U.S. military is considering attacks on pirate bases on land and aid for the Somali people to help stem ship hijackings off Africa’s east coast, defense officials said.

The military also is drawing up proposals to aid the fledgling Somalia government to train security forces and develop its own coast guard, said the officials, who requested anonymity.

BloombergAnd the attack on the US Congressman today will make military response that much easier.

Just as a curious sidenote, why aren't we holding up European nations to stand forth and provide aid (as well as clean up), since it seems that it is their nuclear waste that stimulated the crisis in the first place? The Europeans are more than happy to shove our nose in a pile when we screw up - how about that they take some responsibility for their policies, and furthermore, how about the US (read: Obama or any other person in the Administration or Congress) calling them to task for it, especially since our politicians have no problems hammering and hamstringing the US when it comes to what they perceive as the mess we're making of the planet? It would sure be nice to see a little blowback here....

I would agree that it would be nice. I think the pirates had a real opportunity to get that ball rolling. I think they blew it. At this point they made it all about a battle. Details get lost once violence takes over. And it's to bad because I think the people of Somalia have legitimate complaints.

 

[Zasada]

It only took three shots to kill three pirates.

Nice work by the SEALs.

So much for "minutes of fire".

 

[bueno]

We would probably all be , or committing similar atrocities if we were men in Somalia. I have been listening to the new K'naan album recently, and it pretty much sounds like they give you an AK as soon as you are big enough to carry it. For most people on the planet life > liberty.

Or we'd be driving taxis in Toronto.

 

[Phurfur]

Angry pirates vowed retaliation for the deaths, raising fears for the safety of some 230 foreign sailors still held hostage in more than a dozen ships anchored off the coast of lawless Somalia.

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

link

Looks like the pirates have upped the ante...

This was a really bad idea. Do these people not know who they are dealing with? I mean I know they don't have much to lose but what they do have we can take without getting our hands all that dirty and walk away leaving them to wallow in it.

Agreed. I don't understand what they hope to accomplish by escalating the situation. And I'm extremely surprised that the pirates aren't inviting the news media around the world to put forth their case of why they feel they have had to resort to piracy in the first place. Don't get me wrong, the pirates deserved what they got in this scenario, but if they are rationalizing and justifying their actions by the way their country has been run into the ground by the apparent wholesale dumping of European nuclear waste, getting into an armed pissing contest with the Western nations is downright suicidal.

WOW! Well at least you aren't blaming me for this.

 

[QUEZILLA]

It only took three shots to kill three pirates.

Nice work by the SEALs.

So much for "minutes of fire".

That is pretty freaking badazz. What is the "fan tail" of the ship? I guess the back above the propeller?

 

[Harry Manback]

It only took three shots to kill three pirates.

Nice work by the SEALs.

So much for "minutes of fire".

That is pretty freaking badazz. What is the "fan tail" of the ship? I guess the back above the propeller?

Looks like one was shot through a window!!!Rainbox Six???

Gotta love the idiot pirate tough guys "Oh I guess we'll just kill any French and American Hostages".

Have fun watching your country burn, we will kill every one of you if you start executing our people.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

It only took three shots to kill three pirates.

Nice work by the SEALs.

So much for "minutes of fire".

That is pretty freaking badazz. What is the "fan tail" of the ship? I guess the back above the propeller?

Looks like one was shot through a window!!!Rainbox Six???

Gotta love the idiot pirate tough guys "Oh I guess we'll just kill any French and American Hostages".

Have fun watching your country burn, we will kill every one of you if you start executing our people.

fantailSerious for the SEAL team involved here. The degree of difficulty in the middle of the night, on the back of a floating ship, coordinating shots with the others involved and the targets just popped up into a line of sight.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

It only took three shots to kill three pirates.

Nice work by the SEALs.

So much for "minutes of fire".

Okay, now we're talkin. I knew something was wrong with that earlier story that was linked. I wonder if the writer just made it up for filler; it made no sense.

 

[VA703]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/13/crew-members-deny-captain-phillips-heroism/