*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[Raider Nation]

i think Pop is going to have another sleepless night.

Big fan of any and all misery which comes his way. Great coach, miserable person.

I guess I've missed it, but how is he a miserable person????

You must have missed my 9,000 posts on the topic.He's a bully and an a####le and he treats everyone in the media (other than Doris Burke) as if they are not human. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.

Yes, I did miss it. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked the question. Make sense????

Apologies. I get frustrated talking about him. He bullies everyone "beneath" him and it's astonishing to me that everyone doesn't see it.

Who does he bully besides the media?

You should see how he treats the locker room staff. He poops in towels and leaves them on the floor.

 

[Raider Nation]

Or that could be Mark Mangino.

 

[modogg]

Too bad TNT didn't have this game. Could you imagine Kenny Smith's incoherent babbling right now?

i miss Shaq's "Bird Man, Bird Man". In all honesty, i will take those guys over any other NBA analyst team out there. Charles always cracks me up

 

[got_nugs]

Now lets pretend anyone else has the 4Q and OT that Lebron had offensively and defensively. They would be going nuts about whoever that player was (Duncan or Parker, imagine?). Lebron does it and its "Meh, why didnt he do it all game long."

I like to poke the bear, but Lebron is totally taken for granted. He'll be appreciated more after he retires when you step back and look at how good he was over a long stretch of highway.

D'oh, don't you turn on me now!

 

[tdoss]

I saw Pop smack a kid in a wheelchair once...and he walked off with a smirk.

#PopIsEvil

 

[ffldrew]

I am loving Popovich's press conference.

It's made up of foreign press only at this point because every US sportswriter knows not to bother.

 

[timschochet]

It's like you feel like maybe there's some justice in the world after reading something like that.

It's almost as good as seeing the cars in the background driving away from Dodger Stadium and hitting the brake lights when Kirk Gibson's home run cleared the fence.

That night will live in my memory forever, as I was there. But I don't recall a lot of people leaving.

 

[Raider Nation]

If y'all like Pop, go nuts. I don't understand why he has to treat anyone poorly, even if it's just one member of the media. It reflects terribly on him and it's completely unnecessary. He's a great coach, he's got more money than he could ever spend and he works in the toy department of life. What is there to be so bitter about? Somehow, Coach K and Doc Rivers and Roy Williams and countless other coaches manage to be cordial with everyone, and it doesn't kill them.

 

[timschochet]

Anyhow, one of the most exciting basketball games I've ever seen. Just awesome!

 

[Grady Wilson]

This reminds me so much of the World Series a few years ago between the Rangers and Cardinals. Rangers had the game in the bag in Game 6 and then choked down the stretch. Game 7 was a blowout. I see the same thing happening on Thursday. Yes, I know two different sports and the Spurs are much more of a veteran and been there team, but it's going to be to hard to recover from a loss like this.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Too bad TNT didn't have this game. Could you imagine Kenny Smith's incoherent babbling right now?

i miss Shaq's "Bird Man, Bird Man". In all honesty, i will take those guys over any other NBA analyst team out there. Charles always cracks me up

Thank you for your candor.

 

[ffldrew]

It's like you feel like maybe there's some justice in the world after reading something like that.

It's almost as good as seeing the cars in the background driving away from Dodger Stadium and hitting the brake lights when Kirk Gibson's home run cleared the fence.

That night will live in my memory forever, as I was there. But I don't recall a lot of people leaving.

That's because they left in the 7th inning

 

[timschochet]

This reminds me so much of the World Series a few years ago between the Rangers and Cardinals. Rangers had the game in the bag in Game 6 and then choked down the stretch. Game 7 was a blowout. I see the same thing happening on Thursday. Yes, I know two different sports and the Spurs are much more of a veteran and been there team, but it's going to be to hard to recover from a loss like this.

Any other team would have trouble coming back from this. But the Spurs are one of the most mentally tough teams we've seen in a while. They'll be a tough out on Thursday.

 

[sporthenry]

I'd say the advantage goes to the Heat b/c they have seemingly made the adjustments and the Spurs were the ones who looked lost at the end. Nothing to suggest that the Heat can't replicated their game plan from the 4th/OT. LeBron neutralized TP. Duncan either tired himself out or the Heat adjusted. Obviously, Green won't be getting too many open looks. They'll make Manu beat them.

Now the bigger question is do they roll with Wade or the shooters? Wade played decent in OT on offense but the offense seems much more open with shooters on the floor (assuming Mike Miller can stand.

 

[Britney Spears]

Now lets pretend anyone else has the 4Q and OT that Lebron had offensively and defensively. They would be going nuts about whoever that player was (Duncan or Parker, imagine?). Lebron does it and its "Meh, why didnt he do it all game long."

I like to poke the bear, but Lebron is totally taken for granted. He'll be appreciated more after he retires when you step back and look at how good he was over a long stretch of highway.

Imagine if LeBron had the game that Duncan just had. He'd be crucified for choking. People (many in here) are completely irrational about the guy.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Now lets pretend anyone else has the 4Q and OT that Lebron had offensively and defensively. They would be going nuts about whoever that player was (Duncan or Parker, imagine?). Lebron does it and its "Meh, why didnt he do it all game long."

I like to poke the bear, but Lebron is totally taken for granted. He'll be appreciated more after he retires when you step back and look at how good he was over a long stretch of highway.

Imagine if LeBron had the game that Duncan just had. He'd be crucified for choking. People (many in here) are completely irrational about the guy.

He's going to be in Jordan's shadow for a long time, regardless of what happens Thurs night

Jordan screwed up the curve for half a century IMO

 

[Raider Nation]

Shame Timmy's 30 and 17 will be forgotten due to that ending.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This reminds me so much of the World Series a few years ago between the Rangers and Cardinals. Rangers had the game in the bag in Game 6 and then choked down the stretch. Game 7 was a blowout. I see the same thing happening on Thursday. Yes, I know two different sports and the Spurs are much more of a veteran and been there team, but it's going to be to hard to recover from a loss like this.

Yep. Same goes for the '85 Cardinals, '86 Red Sox and '03 Cubs. Am I forgetting another historic Game 6 collapse?

 

[tdoss]

So what's the line? Miami by 4-5 or more?

 

[Christo]

Apparently the fans that left early were banging on the doors to be let back in. DOS MINUTOS

@VictorOquendo: Cops finally here. Fans still pounding on the doors begging to be let in.

tnjc posted this in the wagering thread. Read from the bottom and go up. Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo18m

@sunsentinello once they leave, they are not allowed back in. And they are STILL begging to be let in

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo21m

@Ms_Mambo not being let in and it's glorious.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo21m

@Boothman23 you're asking for the people that left game 6 of the NBA finals to use logic?

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo22m

@BrodyLogan @ThisIsChucker same fans screaming about how much they paid for their tickets by the way.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo23m

@CarlosWPLG most pathetic display I've ever seen here.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo26m

Cops finally here. Fans still pounding on the doors begging to be let in.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo29m

@MiamiRadioBeast this is so much worse than middle finger lady.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo32m

@juanguibeme they're not. It's absurd. People screaming about how they paid good money. Really?!

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo33m

Might need to call the big dogs in soon. Just sayin'

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo33m

None of them deserve to be let in. They are pounding the glass doors. I'm all for gender equality but I'm only seeing female guards....

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo35m

Now I'm watching horrible, drunk, quitting fans desperately trying to get back in. This is madness.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo37m

Honestly embarrassing. I'm setting up for my live shot outside the arena, just watching fan after fan exit early.

Victor Oquendo‏@VictorOquendo39m

Fans streaming out...I'm gonna throw up

It sucks when you jump off the bandwagon while it's still moving.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This reminds me so much of the World Series a few years ago between the Rangers and Cardinals. Rangers had the game in the bag in Game 6 and then choked down the stretch. Game 7 was a blowout. I see the same thing happening on Thursday. Yes, I know two different sports and the Spurs are much more of a veteran and been there team, but it's going to be to hard to recover from a loss like this.

Yep. Same goes for the '85 Cardinals, '86 Red Sox and '03 Cubs. Am I forgetting another historic Game 6 collapse?

Not a collapse, but DET's Game 6 loss in the 1988 NBA Finals was a heartbreaker. Isiah scored 25 points in the third quarter on a sprained ankle, but DET lost the game by 1. Isiah had nothing left for Game 7, Worthy had a triple-double, and LAL won the title.

True, and let's not forget the phantom foul on Laimbeer that enabled the Lakers to steal Game 6. But the Pistons at least fought tooth and nail in Game 7 till the end.

 

[sporthenry]

So what's the line? Miami by 4-5 or more?

6.5 but I'd imagine that will grow.

 

[Christo]

i think Pop is going to have another sleepless night.

Big fan of any and all misery which comes his way. Great coach, miserable person.

I guess I've missed it, but how is he a miserable person????

You must have missed my 9,000 posts on the topic.He's a bully and an a####le and he treats everyone in the media (other than Doris Burke) as if they are not human. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know if you're wrong or not. But isn't that a good thing?

 

[biggamer3]

what a great game, as badly as I wanted the Spurs to win, I really wanted a game 7 so I am conflicted.

Not fouling Bosh as soon as he got rebound was costly. Also Manu and Leonard missing Free Throws were huge, they hit the FT's they win the game easily.

 

[Raider Nation]

I wonder if LeBron ditching the headband is going to become a thing, like when Jerry "The King" Lawler would drop the shoulder strap on his singlet when the #### got real.

U.L. Washington only took out the toothpick in the 9th inning.

 

[Zow]

Just finished watching this (DVR'ed it). One of the best games I've ever seen.

 

[biggamer3]

After all those all star seasons and being a star, Ray Allen's most iconic shot will probably be this one when he is an old fart. That shot will go down with the Jordan buzzer beaters.

 

[sporthenry]

After all those all star seasons and being a star, Ray Allen's most iconic shot will probably be this one when he is an old fart. That shot will go down with the Jordan buzzer beaters.

Funny how that works out.

 

[Insein]

I wonder if LeBron ditching the headband is going to become a thing, like when Jerry "The King" Lawler would drop the shoulder strap on his singlet when the #### got real.

Or Stalone in Over the Top when he turns the hat backwards. It's like a switch.

 

[sporthenry]

After watching the replay of the last shot of OT from the camera angle in the corner by the shot about 20 times... I don't think that was a foul. Bosh definitely did not foul with his arms - his left hand was all ball and smothered the shot, and he puled his right arm back to avoid contact. Bosh did make contact with his left hip on Green's waist, but I don't think that affected the shot. That sort of contact goes uncalled all the time on the block.

Green was out of control on the play, which makes the refs reluctant to call a foul regardless of the game situation. Green was running down a long lead pass and didn't square up his torso or get the ball in good shooting position - he kindasorta heaved it from his shoulder.

ETA: And Bosh's block of Parker's jumper with 0:31 left in OT was fantastic. Bad switch leaving Bosh on Parker, lots of open space, but Bosh was patient, waited until Parker launched for his shot, and blocked it clean.

He broke verticality and contacted a shooter in the air. Parker did less on a Ray Allen 3 that he was called for last game. In the post, that body contact might be let go, but on the perimeter, that is probably called any other 47 minutes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Agreed, Ferris. Bosh got all ball with his hand, and the contact body on body was incidental, and given how out of control Green was, like you said, it was good no-call.

 

[Raider Nation]

How the F was that not a FOUL?????

at people complain about the walk when he couldn't even raise his arm to take the shot.

Where's the foul? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNGajxqCEAEJNma.jpg:large

 

[Daywalker]

After all those all star seasons and being a star, Ray Allen's most iconic shot will probably be this one when he is an old fart. That shot will go down with the Jordan buzzer beaters.

Getting his feet behind the line. Rises with the defender coming underneath him. Then a flick of the wrists. Perfection.

Two 50/50 balls that Miami rebounds that go for three. Ugh. Killer.

The landscape of the NBA was shifting back and forth beneath that court. Ray F*&%#@ Allen.

 

[Daywalker]

Agreed, Ferris. Bosh got all ball with his hand, and the contact body on body was incidental, and given how out of control Green was, like you said, it was good no-call.

No one gets that call.

 

[sporthenry]

After watching the replay of the last shot of OT from the camera angle in the corner by the shot about 20 times... I don't think that was a foul. Bosh definitely did not foul with his arms - his left hand was all ball and smothered the shot, and he puled his right arm back to avoid contact. Bosh did make contact with his left hip on Green's waist, but I don't think that affected the shot. That sort of contact goes uncalled all the time on the block.

Green was out of control on the play, which makes the refs reluctant to call a foul regardless of the game situation. Green was running down a long lead pass and didn't square up his torso or get the ball in good shooting position - he kindasorta heaved it from his shoulder.

ETA: And Bosh's block of Parker's jumper with 0:31 left in OT was fantastic. Bad switch leaving Bosh on Parker, lots of open space, but Bosh was patient, waited until Parker launched for his shot, and blocked it clean.

He broke verticality and contacted a shooter in the air. Parker did less on a Ray Allen 3 that he was called for last game. In the post, that body contact might be let go, but on the perimeter, that is probably called any other 47 minutes.

Now I know for sure that the no-call was the correct decision.

Right. So he didn't break verticality and the shooter isn't a shooter until he comes back to the ground.

ETA: This is what a foul on the perimeter looks like during the other 47 minutes. My Link

 

[Daywalker]

If y'all like Pop, go nuts. I don't understand why he has to treat anyone poorly, even if it's just one member of the media. It reflects terribly on him and it's completely unnecessary. He's a great coach, he's got more money than he could ever spend and he works in the toy department of life. What is there to be so bitter about? Somehow, Coach K and Doc Rivers and Roy Williams and countless other coaches manage to be cordial with everyone, and it doesn't kill them.

He should watch the Valvano 30/30 and get a clue.

 

[Raider Nation]

If y'all like Pop, go nuts. I don't understand why he has to treat anyone poorly, even if it's just one member of the media. It reflects terribly on him and it's completely unnecessary. He's a great coach, he's got more money than he could ever spend and he works in the toy department of life. What is there to be so bitter about? Somehow, Coach K and Doc Rivers and Roy Williams and countless other coaches manage to be cordial with everyone, and it doesn't kill them.

He should watch the Valvano 30/30 and get a clue.

 

[timschochet]

After watching the replay of the last shot of OT from the camera angle in the corner by the shot about 20 times... I don't think that was a foul. Bosh definitely did not foul with his arms - his left hand was all ball and smothered the shot, and he puled his right arm back to avoid contact. Bosh did make contact with his left hip on Green's waist, but I don't think that affected the shot. That sort of contact goes uncalled all the time on the block.

Green was out of control on the play, which makes the refs reluctant to call a foul regardless of the game situation. Green was running down a long lead pass and didn't square up his torso or get the ball in good shooting position - he kindasorta heaved it from his shoulder.

ETA: And Bosh's block of Parker's jumper with 0:31 left in OT was fantastic. Bad switch leaving Bosh on Parker, lots of open space, but Bosh was patient, waited until Parker launched for his shot, and blocked it clean.

I didn't think it was a foul either, but I DID think the possession before, when the Spurs had the ball down by 1, they were fouled. What's your take on that?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

i think Pop is going to have another sleepless night.

Big fan of any and all misery which comes his way. Great coach, miserable person.

I guess I've missed it, but how is he a miserable person????

You must have missed my 9,000 posts on the topic.He's a bully and an a####le and he treats everyone in the media (other than Doris Burke) as if they are not human. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know if you're wrong or not. But isn't that a good thing?

 

[Daywalker]

i think Pop is going to have another sleepless night.

Big fan of any and all misery which comes his way. Great coach, miserable person.

I guess I've missed it, but how is he a miserable person????

You must have missed my 9,000 posts on the topic.He's a bully and an a####le and he treats everyone in the media (other than Doris Burke) as if they are not human. I dare you to tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know if you're wrong or not. But isn't that a good thing?

It's selfish. If every player and coach acted like that their sport would suffer greatly. Fans probably spend more time following sports via media then they do actually watching the games.

 

[Short Corner]

Is it the general consensus that LeBron will have to put the team on his back and go for 40+ the next two games?

I guess that's one way. More likely is Bosh and Wade hitting the jumpers that the Spurs are sagging off of. Probably need Chalmers and Kid n Play not to be an offensive drag too.

Chalmers shouldn't be shooting with less than 5 on the clock unless it's a lay up.

He's decent at the wide open 3.

the wide open 3s weren't the problem in Game 5. It was trying to take his man for 4-5 dribbles then settling for jumpers or forcing it.

 

[Short Corner]

Evidence. Kareem had a bit more on offense than just the sky hook - and he definitely was proficient going left. These are just some scoring highlights - they didn't include his passing here. I think the left handed finger roll around Cliff Ray might be my favorite there (4:04 mark).

First vid I looked at that was linked from yours. Notice anything? Funny how Malone is always just sitting on his left shoulder and it's fake right-fake right-fake right-spin left-sky hook-good.

Which video are you talking about, can you post the link?

HFS...my bad. It was late here. Passedout before the game started and didn't DVR....have to watch the replay later....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcniUfKRlU

 

[Short Corner]

Evidence. Kareem had a bit more on offense than just the sky hook - and he definitely was proficient going left. These are just some scoring highlights - they didn't include his passing here. I think the left handed finger roll around Cliff Ray might be my favorite there (4:04 mark).

First vid I looked at that was linked from yours. Notice anything? Funny how Malone is always just sitting on his left shoulder and it's fake right-fake right-fake right-spin left-sky hook-good.

Moses had to take the inside shoulder , he played it correctly he just couldn't stop Kareem. No shame there

He didn't need to take the inside shoulder, he took the left shoulder. Correctly. Just shows how good that shot was for Kareem. They knewit was coming. They knew which way he was going with it. And they still couldn't stop it. I am not by any means saying he was a lesser player. IMO he is the best center of all time. Just that he was so good with that shot, that he never was forced to diversify his game. You can thank the NCAA outlawing dunks for that as he developed the shot more than he might have otherwise.

 

[Short Corner]

In the least surprising development ever, Joey Crawford will be one of the officials for Game 6.

Things like this are why I stay away from the NBA.

Then stay away and whine about something else.

Will do. Me, and a lot of other people. Ratings are down across the board, even in San Antonio and Miami -- for a variety of reasons.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the inferiority complex of the American hockey fan.

Sorry Dickie, but taking a #### on the NBA for no reason isn't gonna change the fact that 99% of sports fans couldn't care less if your team wins the Stanley Cup.

Has nothing to do with hockey. I love college hoops and would like to follow the NBA like I did in the 1980s. The game today just has little to no appeal to me, and I am not alone.

I'll take the bait. So what is it about 80s basketball that was so great? The reign of Larry Bird? High scoring games?

The actual play on the basketball court the last few years has been great. Sure there are some crappy teams, but the game has been so fun to watch with the current rules placing an emphasis on 3 point shooting and ball movement to counter attack zone defenses.

so the game is better because of the zone?

WTF

Magic, Larry, Mike, the pistons, sir Charles? The late 80s was the best for the NBA and it wont ever be topped.

Geez

No the game was much better when you could isolate and have 8 guys watching.

 

[Short Corner]

6.5 but I'd imagine that will grow.

 

[Short Corner]

If Ginobli is a good Euro squad player, no wonder we are back to winning gold medals.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=ml

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sick game. Green comes back to earth and spurs go down. Duncan with an all time first half, only to be outdone by lebron's 4th/ot and ray Allen remembering who he is. If green isn't hitting 3s Thursday early, I think the heat put a pounding on the spurs. Blood in the water.

 

[ArbyMelt]

After watching the replay of the last shot of OT from the camera angle in the corner by the shot about 20 times... I don't think that was a foul. Bosh definitely did not foul with his arms - his left hand was all ball and smothered the shot, and he puled his right arm back to avoid contact. Bosh did make contact with his left hip on Green's waist, but I don't think that affected the shot. That sort of contact goes uncalled all the time on the block.

Green was out of control on the play, which makes the refs reluctant to call a foul regardless of the game situation. Green was running down a long lead pass and didn't square up his torso or get the ball in good shooting position - he kindasorta heaved it from his shoulder.

ETA: And Bosh's block of Parker's jumper with 0:31 left in OT was fantastic. Bad switch leaving Bosh on Parker, lots of open space, but Bosh was patient, waited until Parker launched for his shot, and blocked it clean.

He broke verticality and contacted a shooter in the air. Parker did less on a Ray Allen 3 that he was called for last game. In the post, that body contact might be let go, but on the perimeter, that is probably called any other 47 minutes.

Totally different, Parker was called for a foul last game because shooter is allowed to come down. Parker undercut him and didn't allow him to come down in his space. Absolutely the right call, and good no call on Bosh.

 

[greenroom]

Bosh did foul with the body, no one can dispute that. As most experts have said that gets called in the other 47 minutes no questions asked!!

That said after I have calmed down. What a great game. Spurs gave the game away, Heat played great, and yes the Refs screwed the Spurs. Bottom line if Spurs hit one more FT, Refs are not in position to screw the Spurs!

 

[matuski]

Pulling Duncan on two defensive possessions.. talk about over-thinking. Those two offensive rebounds were the game.