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I think the Nuggets have to make a 3 for 1 type deal to get a stud in there. Pretty sure with their cap situation they wont be able to take teh luxury tax hit if they resign Iggy this offseason.

 
wow that was because they dealt Monta for Bogut?

Steph wouldnt be half the player he is today if Monta was still hawking the ball all game.

 
How in the hell does no one call this OBVIOUS double dribble?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uctFKIhGpiw

I'm watching highlights and of course the commentators don't mention it, but how does ESPN ignore it? No mention of..."Well...looks like Robinson might've gotten away with one there"...no...we get, "SICK CROSSOVER BY ROBINSON!"

 
I am not sure he doubled. He may have but the replay isn't conclusive, and given what they get away with ie traveling, carrying you give him the benefit of the doubt.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.

 
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And why would Karl run an inbounds play for Miller where he gets the ball 35 feet from the hoop? Ick.
Yeah, that play was just terrible and was doomed from the start. You are down 4 and have less than 10 seconds and Miller is dribbling the ball at the top like he is looking to kill the clock.

Denver is going to have to make some moves in order for them to improve--otherwise, us fans are going to see a repeat of this next year. I won't be surprised to see Miller come back for another year on the cheap. Iggy needs to take a pay cut if he wants to stay, but I doubt he does that. McGee needs a summer of hard work, but I don't know if you can fix stupid. Couple other pieces will need to be moved or as suggested a combined group of players for a trade. The core is solid, but....

Congrats to GSW :thumbup:

 
well i am glad to see bogut moving on to the second round he was one of my favorites when he was here in milwaukee and i am o so glad that we traded him away for monta pardon me while i take 50 shots and miss 35 of them and some other guys that i do not like who will all leave after the season anyhow man i do not know what our gm hammond is going for but maybe he is trying to set some record for assemlbling the worst team to ever get obliterated in the first round of the playoffs with a record that is 15 games or more under 500 jeez louis this stinks but now i am rooting for bogut becuase that is australian for awesome

 
I am not sure he doubled. He may have but the replay isn't conclusive, and given what they get away with ie traveling, carrying you give him the benefit of the doubt.
He had two hands on the ball. The replay is hardly inconclusive.
Yeah, looks pretty clear to me.
You can't tell from the clips I've seen. He was trying to fake a shot attempt, brought his hand to the ball as such... I don't see an angle to say for sure he did or didn't actually touch it. :shrug:

Having said that, if he didn't double dribble he sure as hell cupped the ball with his left hand (the ball stops completely for a moment). Of course you rarely see a crossover without this these days.

 
yeah but carrying is basically legal now and believe me you would not want it to go back to the pure rule the game is so much better now than it was when guys were wearing belts and walking fast instead of running to make sure there was no carrying or traveling it would ruin the game to go back to honest to god enforcement of the rules talk about boring brohans

 
yeah but carrying is basically legal now and believe me you would not want it to go back to the pure rule the game is so much better now than it was when guys were wearing belts and walking fast instead of running to make sure there was no carrying or traveling it would ruin the game to go back to honest to god enforcement of the rules talk about boring brohans
And remember when they used to tie an onion to them? It was the style of the time. You couldn't get white ones, because of the war. All you could get was those big yellow ones.

 
And why would Karl run an inbounds play for Miller where he gets the ball 35 feet from the hoop? Ick.
Yeah, that play was just terrible and was doomed from the start. You are down 4 and have less than 10 seconds and Miller is dribbling the ball at the top like he is looking to kill the clock.

Denver is going to have to make some moves in order for them to improve--otherwise, us fans are going to see a repeat of this next year. I won't be surprised to see Miller come back for another year on the cheap. Iggy needs to take a pay cut if he wants to stay, but I doubt he does that. McGee needs a summer of hard work, but I don't know if you can fix stupid. Couple other pieces will need to be moved or as suggested a combined group of players for a trade. The core is solid, but....

Congrats to GSW :thumbup:
Miller is signed for the next two seasons at about $5M a year with the 2nd season partially guaranteed at something like $2M.

The thing that i find interesting about McGee, and I'm constantly trying to convince my dad of this, is that although he clearly has a hard time grasping basketball concepts and is certainly not a smart basketball player, I think he is a pretty smart guy. And while I don't want him on the roster next season, he has made HUGE strides with the dumb basketball plays since he got here. As Tobias or any other Wizards fan and they would tell you that those dumb blocks or plays were he completely gives up on the defensive end were common occurrences, happening multiple times a game, every game. In Denver those weren't happening more than once or twice in a game.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.

 
I think the Nuggets have to make a 3 for 1 type deal to get a stud in there. Pretty sure with their cap situation they wont be able to take teh luxury tax hit if they resign Iggy this offseason.
They have about $51M in committed salaries next season (that includes all rotation players other than Brewer and Iggy), the luxury tax this season was a smidgen over $70M. They have plenty of room to resign Iggy, if he even opts out, and makes some other moves.

And something else that people are missing about these Nuggets, they have the third youngest roster in the NBA, the entire roster other than Miller, Iggy and Gallo, because of his injury, is going to improve going into next season. Most of these guys have at least two years until their peak.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.
Are you content with them standing pat this summer?

 
Turned it off when GS was up by 20 :wall:
It wasn't really a great watch. :shrug:

It would be insulting to call the last 6:30 of the game professional basketball.. embarrassing play by GSW down the final leg of the game imo. This was all preceded by the last thing you did watch, almost equally embarrassing offense by Denver.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.
Are you content with them standing pat this summer?
I would rather them stand pat than blow it up and fire Karl, but I would like to see some moves.

I like Andre Miller as a backup PG, but Karl uses him in two guard sets with Miller for 10 minutes a game and I think its awful for a couple big reasons. First, Miller can guard anybody and putting him against big 2 guards gets them killed and second, Miller has to have the ball in his hands to be effective and that takes the ball out of the hands of Denver's best player in Lawson. Replacing him with a PG like Jack would be perfect, a guy that can kind of guard SGs and can nail 3s.

Also, I would like them to trade out McGee. I think a McGee-Ryan Anderson swap makes quite a bit of sense from both teams.

They desperately need some shooters, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler are all decent shooters and Iggy can knock them down from time to time, but they really need a guy that they can stretch the D with.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.
Are you content with them standing pat this summer?
I would rather them stand pat than blow it up and fire Karl, but I would like to see some moves.

I like Andre Miller as a backup PG, but Karl uses him in two guard sets with Miller for 10 minutes a game and I think its awful for a couple big reasons. First, Miller can guard anybody and putting him against big 2 guards gets them killed and second, Miller has to have the ball in his hands to be effective and that takes the ball out of the hands of Denver's best player in Lawson. Replacing him with a PG like Jack would be perfect, a guy that can kind of guard SGs and can nail 3s.

Also, I would like them to trade out McGee. I think a McGee-Ryan Anderson swap makes quite a bit of sense from both teams.

They desperately need some shooters, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler are all decent shooters and Iggy can knock them down from time to time, but they really need a guy that they can stretch the D with.
Would Reddick work in Denver?

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.
Are you content with them standing pat this summer?
I would rather them stand pat than blow it up and fire Karl, but I would like to see some moves.

I like Andre Miller as a backup PG, but Karl uses him in two guard sets with Miller for 10 minutes a game and I think its awful for a couple big reasons. First, Miller can guard anybody and putting him against big 2 guards gets them killed and second, Miller has to have the ball in his hands to be effective and that takes the ball out of the hands of Denver's best player in Lawson. Replacing him with a PG like Jack would be perfect, a guy that can kind of guard SGs and can nail 3s.

Also, I would like them to trade out McGee. I think a McGee-Ryan Anderson swap makes quite a bit of sense from both teams.

They desperately need some shooters, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler are all decent shooters and Iggy can knock them down from time to time, but they really need a guy that they can stretch the D with.
Would Reddick work in Denver?
A lot of the talking head experts wanted him at the trade deadline

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
Brewer, Koufos, Chandler and Miller played their worst basketball of their season in this series.The only two guys that played well were Iggy and Lawson.
Are you content with them standing pat this summer?
I would rather them stand pat than blow it up and fire Karl, but I would like to see some moves. I like Andre Miller as a backup PG, but Karl uses him in two guard sets with Miller for 10 minutes a game and I think its awful for a couple big reasons. First, Miller can guard anybody and putting him against big 2 guards gets them killed and second, Miller has to have the ball in his hands to be effective and that takes the ball out of the hands of Denver's best player in Lawson. Replacing him with a PG like Jack would be perfect, a guy that can kind of guard SGs and can nail 3s. Also, I would like them to trade out McGee. I think a McGee-Ryan Anderson swap makes quite a bit of sense from both teams. They desperately need some shooters, Lawson, Gallo and Chandler are all decent shooters and Iggy can knock them down from time to time, but they really need a guy that they can stretch the D with.
Yeah, the lack of shooters seemed pretty glaring to me in this series, even with Iggy playing over his head in that department.I was shocked to see Chandler was a 40% guy from 3 this season. That's one of the ugliest shots this side Shawn Marion.
 
Nobody is going to touch the McGee contract. That was just a colossal mistake from the beginning and one the nuggets will have to live with unless they are taking back another liability.

 
Nobody is going to touch the McGee contract. That was just a colossal mistake from the beginning and one the nuggets will have to live with unless they are taking back another liability.
Especially for Ryan Anderson. Anderson seems to be an asset and what would the Pelicans get out of McGee? I'd imagine Davis will start seeing more and more time at the 5 and McGee doesn't really add much when they have Robin Lopez.

 
Nobody is going to touch the McGee contract. That was just a colossal mistake from the beginning and one the nuggets will have to live with unless they are taking back another liability.
Did you see his face on those free throws? Couldn't hide the choking. I don't think he could breathe.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
When you only lose 3 regular season games at home anything less than the conference finals or nba finals is a disappointment in my book. I have never believed in the Nuggets as a serious contender and perhaps I am biased being a Knicks fan with the Melo trade and all. As others have mentioned they need a star player who can score in clutch, Gallo is good but he is too inconsistent and somewhat injury prone to fill this role.

 
Royce White will likely go down as the worst draft pick of all time for the Rockets. He is the gift that keeps giving. His recent tweets to Durant and Thunder

"And... that's why you play the games. That @okcthunder team just looked shook. They're looking shaky baby."White followed with another tweet to Durant."@KDTrey5... Y'all are looking SHAAAKYY BAAABYY."

No, seriously! all jokes aside @KDTrey5 is a beast, but with all due respect last 2 games they've been looking #SHAAAKYY... All due respect!

At least he added all due respect in his last tweet, what an embarrassment.

 
GSW vs SAS ought be a blast. I am going to love the coaching battle, too, between Pop and Jackson.
Sweep.
San Antonio played perhaps the worst playoff team in the past 10 years and that's saying something with how weak the 8th seed in the East has been. If Bucks vs Lakers faced each other this year its 4-1 or 4-2 for Bucks.
Is this an indictment on the Spurs? I'm not sure what you are going for here.

 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
When you only lose 3 regular season games at home anything less than the conference finals or nba finals is a disappointment in my book. I have never believed in the Nuggets as a serious contender and perhaps I am biased being a Knicks fan with the Melo trade and all. As others have mentioned they need a star player who can score in clutch, Gallo is good but he is too inconsistent and somewhat injury prone to fill this role.
:wall:

 
Royce White will likely go down as the worst draft pick of all time for the Rockets. He is the gift that keeps giving. His recent tweets to Durant and Thunder "And... that's why you play the games. That @okcthunder team just looked shook. They're looking shaky baby."White followed with another tweet to Durant."@KDTrey5... Y'all are looking SHAAAKYY BAAABYY."No, seriously! all jokes aside @KDTrey5 is a beast, but with all due respect last 2 games they've been looking #SHAAAKYY... All due respect! At least he added all due respect in his last tweet, what an embarrassment.
"You know what else is shaky? Turbulence."
 
Another year another nuggets failure.
I don't know. IMO, this was a second round playoff team. If everything broke right, maybe they were capable of making the conference finals, but it can't be terribly surprising that they lost a tough first round series. Their own GM didn't think they were a contender. It's not like they pulled a massive choke job or anything.
And most prognosticators had them as a 7/8 type seed going into the season. In someways I think Karl's failures are a product of his own success. He's been taking mediocre teams (outside of maybe 2 or 3 of the Melo years) and getting them into the playoffs. I don't think Karl is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NBA, he's a tier right below Thibs and Pop, but no other coach in the NBA could have got THIS team to the 3rd seed with 57 wins. Its unfortunate that Gallo got hurt because he would have thrived in this series with all the open J's the Warriors were conceding packing the paint.
Lossing Gallo did hurt in this series and Brewer falling apart didn't help.
When you only lose 3 regular season games at home anything less than the conference finals or nba finals is a disappointment in my book. I have never believed in the Nuggets as a serious contender and perhaps I am biased being a Knicks fan with the Melo trade and all. As others have mentioned they need a star player who can score in clutch, Gallo is good but he is too inconsistent and somewhat injury prone to fill this role.
What do you expect from a team that is under .500 on the road?
 
GSW vs SAS ought be a blast. I am going to love the coaching battle, too, between Pop and Jackson.
Sweep.
San Antonio played perhaps the worst playoff team in the past 10 years and that's saying something with how weak the 8th seed in the East has been. If Bucks vs Lakers faced each other this year its 4-1 or 4-2 for Bucks.
Is this an indictment on the Spurs? I'm not sure what you are going for here.
Yes everyone seems to have hopped back on Spurs bandwagon after beating the Lakers but I am not convinced and still remember the team that struggled through the end of the regular season.

 
GSW vs SAS ought be a blast. I am going to love the coaching battle, too, between Pop and Jackson.
Sweep.
San Antonio played perhaps the worst playoff team in the past 10 years and that's saying something with how weak the 8th seed in the East has been. If Bucks vs Lakers faced each other this year its 4-1 or 4-2 for Bucks.
no way the lakers would have beat milwaukee by 100 points total on the series i think you are underestimating what a bunch of jerkalopes brandon i deserve to be paid like a top 5 guard even though i stink up the joint jennings and monta hey look i found something round i better shoot it no matter what else happens on earth ellis are they both think they are better than milwaukee and deserve to be paid top 3 dollars in a major market and i am sick of them but still the fact remains that they play with no heart and give up on the team and try to go it there own as soon as they get down a couple of buckets pretty depressing to watch i miss bogut

 
:lmao:

Would be like Kobe telling his teammates to play better defense.....

Lamar Odom had strong words for his Clippers teammates in advance of a do-or-die Game 6 on Friday vs. the Grizzlies.
"I don't know if it's just about [lack of] intensity," he said. "It might be more about paying attention to detail and understanding what sacrifice is and how to sacrifice yourself for the team." It's pretty rich that Odom would be the one to speak on the issue given the effort he provided in Dallas last year and the fact that he showed up to Clippers training camp overweight and out of shape, but at least someone is talking. Odom added he's tried to take a leadership role all year, but some of his advance has "fallen on deaf ears." The Clippers are up against it and the Grizzlies smell blood in the water with Game 6 in Memphis.
 
Bogut went nuts last night.

The W's played much better D than I was expecting.

I'll be rooting for the Ws but I think the Spurs take it in 6 or 7. I wonder if Lee will be able to play much, if at all.

 

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