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Charlotte was paid a 1st rounder, essentially, this offseason to take Ben Gordon. The Pistons thought he had a negative value to their team, I don't think he'll be the player a Gasol trade is built around.ETA: It gives the Lakers almost no added flexibility, he has a player option for $13.2 million next year that he'll surely be exercising.
I figured he had to be expiring or something this year. Didn't realize he had that option. Obviously no way that happens in that case.
Interesting. I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention to him this year. I still remember his injury proneness, poor rebounding and poor defensive ways.Lopez is playing the best ball of his career right now, 19ppg, 7 rpg, 2 blocks all in less than 30 mpg and a 25 PER (5th in the NBA). Well worth the $13 million or whatever he is making this season. Hes been by far the best player on a team that is 25 and 16. I would even argue that he has been significantly more productive than Howard this year and hes three years younger.I think the Lakers would rather have the future cap space than an overpaid Lopez.Lopez and Humphries for Howard and Blake is more likely, I would think.I doubt the Lakers would take on 4 years of Gerald Wallace. Lopez is already under contract for 4 years. Humphries is only signed for 2. That would give them Lopez at C and a Hump/Earl Clark PF rotation. They could then move Gasol.Howard and Metta for Lopez and Wallace
Still a poor defender but he is something of a rim protector. The surprising part of his play this year is that hes grabbing 15% of all rebounds, which isn't especially good for a center (it puts him just about dead center in the league for bigs) but that is a huge improvement on his last few seasons. Rarely, if ever, do you see an under achieving player cash in on a big pay day and go out and have a career year. Its kind of interesting to see.Interesting. I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention to him this year. I still remember his injury proneness, poor rebounding and poor defensive ways.Lopez is playing the best ball of his career right now, 19ppg, 7 rpg, 2 blocks all in less than 30 mpg and a 25 PER (5th in the NBA). Well worth the $13 million or whatever he is making this season. Hes been by far the best player on a team that is 25 and 16. I would even argue that he has been significantly more productive than Howard this year and hes three years younger.I think the Lakers would rather have the future cap space than an overpaid Lopez.Lopez and Humphries for Howard and Blake is more likely, I would think.I doubt the Lakers would take on 4 years of Gerald Wallace. Lopez is already under contract for 4 years. Humphries is only signed for 2. That would give them Lopez at C and a Hump/Earl Clark PF rotation. They could then move Gasol.Howard and Metta for Lopez and Wallace
Great for the Lakers, but why would Min trade for Howard who is a pending FA and who has made it known he wants to be in a big market. Unless a 3rd team gets involved (BRK?) not sure it's possible.
Of course not. But I'm sure you know that.
I'd say no if I was Minny. I'd rather have Love's offense and rebounding than Howard's limited offense and defense. Love is cheaper, younger and didn't just have back surgery (although he does have his own injury history). Add in his attitude and it really would be a bad trade IMO.
I can't think of a conceivable trade I'd make with Love to the Lakers if I'm the GM of the Wolves. They screwed up by not giving him max. years, but it's far too early to give up on him with 2.5 years left. Plenty of time to turn that ship around, they're not completely moribund.
Great personnel and scheme. While Hibbert has been a disappointment on the offensive end he still has been solid enough in the paint and the post. Then you have 3 long and athletic perimeter players in Hill, Stephenson, and George. West is capable enough and although he lacks length, he's quick enough and smart enough to defend pick and rolls.
I miss Jmon outright.
Howard has made some interesting financial decisions in the past...
Jmon and mrpadreslakers are mia. What happened to them?
Butler's block = 
This was actually crossing my mind the other night. Seems like they could push for the playoffs with the way things are going. Portland seems unstable at this point.
I think Jmon got fed up with the ribbing. I hope he comes back. No idea on MPL. Maybe they are in the Laker thread? I don't really venture beyond this thread or the GM thread.
I have seen jmon in other threads, just not basketball ones. Weird. I always enjoyed his enthusiasm. Did ferris break him?
I hope he ends up working at a 7-11.
That was my view before I saw the story. But he's just seriously messed up in the head.
That'll be best case scenario -- that he can keep a job.Odds are slim. He's doing himself no favors sitting at home, #####ing on Twitter.
I honestly am not sure what direction they will or should go in at this point. They should have just swallowed their pride and hired Phil, at least it wouldn't be this bad.
Winning franchises are done in by the ownership, usually by arrogance. Seen it happen years ago with the 49ers, even with Eddie DeBartolo with his co-horts in Carmen Policy, who had Vinnie Ceratto as his personnel guy. They got hit by cap violations, really really bad drafts etc. They figured to just reload with FAs. Then the Yorks took over and made it worse after firing Mooch, who wasn't as bad as Dennis Erickson who was hored after. It was finally corrected by hiring Harbaugh. The Lakers are in that mess right now. They have the talent to at least compete, but D'Antoni is a total trainwreck. It is about pride and arrogance, from Jimbo and LA Jerrah. Jeannie Buss should be running this team. Not because she sleeps with Jackson. Some LA media guys I know say she should. Outside of Jackson, I would love to see what Jerry Sloan - who I always though of as a fantastic coach - would do with this team, but even then it still might be a poor fit, and he would have nothing to do with the Lakers anyway. Brian Shaw might be a great hire, but the Lakers are fast looking at the end of their run of being a post season team. But maybe had the owners not stepped on Jimbo's toes over Chris Paul, they would had least cut down on Byrant's minutes with a guy who can chase quick guards around. The Lakers are old. But they can at least try to slug it out on defense, which is the real problem with this team. They are soft as jello. Bryant is the only player on the Lakers, maybe outside of Nash who is 39 years old that has the drive to compete. Howard is just a complete disappointment. Gasol is Gasol, I don't think he'll ever get better playing in this franchise. If Chick Hearn was alive and calling games he would be slamming their play all game long. James Worthy can't even watch anymore. Robert Horry has been calling out Howard all season. Stu Lantz is aghast at the lack of fundamental basketball while analyzing games. D'Antoni is fast running out of excuses and players to blame. He sucks. The 49ers went through coach after coach after coach, as well as GM after GM after GM before they hit in 2011. They had to pay all of the fired coaches, GMs, or missing GMs after they left the team (well, probably not Scot McCloghhan). Terry Donahue got a contract extension and was fired a year after. Jimbo is gonna have to pay for his mistakes. So does LA Jerrah. But hey, the 49ers are back in the Super Bowl, the SF Giants just won the World Series again, so all that takes the stink out of this Laker season. But thankfully I had them getting rings when those said teams weren't. I'm kinda spoiled that way.
Oh sure, I've given credit to Jimbo and Kupchak for landing those players, but it more the attraction of playing in LA, at least for Howard. Paul wound up playing at the same venue lulz. But you have to have a solid plan when you go after those players. Jimbo doesn't. At least from what we see. Jimbo carries the arrogance of just being the guy who runs the Lakers. But his and LA Jerrah's recent decisions don't make any sense at all. First, if you had to purge all of the expensive players, including Bryant, just how and who would be able even as GM help rebuild a franchise? You can't build around Gasol. You can't at this point even try to build around Howard. Jerry West isn't going near the Lakers anymore. The Lakers had gotten older HOF talent in Karl Malone and Gary Payton, at the tail end of their careers, and then got Artest and Gasol later. Nash again is 39 years old. That's just all reloading around Bryant. As well as they should. But even all that is not taking minutes off of Bryant's legs. Bryant at the end of his career will probably be at the top of minutes played historically, or at least near it. Those legs are showing. Despite all of the recent talent, Bryant is still depended on more now than he should be. Most of that now is due to coaching, and even under Jackson, Bryant was still the guy who he had to depend on. If Bryant's old gimpy legs - which if you really looked at how many injuries and minutes he had to play through chasing younger faster players and being all over the court doing so - is still what you need to rely upon with Howard, Nash (who was pwned by Kirk Hinrich last night), Gasol (who can't even play patty cake with his soft hands), with having Artest have to shoot more than Jodie Meeks outside the arc all the while having zero clue on transition defense (which D'Antoni has zero concept of)....D'Antoni a misfire but Lakers front office has orchestrated trades for C. Paul and D. Howard in the past 18 months. If any ownership is beyond reproach it's the Buss family. Getting Howard was a masterstroke at the time. Bynum probably won't even play this year. Sometimes things don't work out.
Winning two titles so soon after Shaq was dealt was brilliant. Getting Pau at that point was not an attraction to LA move. Those two titles were due to the front office/ownership. Bynum pick and Pau trade.Lebron and Durant were not available. So they got Howard. Hard to ask more out of ownership.Oh sure, I've given credit to Jimbo and Kupchak for landing those players, but it more the attraction of playing in LA, at least for Howard. Paul wound up playing at the same venue lulz. But you have to have a solid plan when you go after those players. Jimbo doesn't. At least from what we see. Jimbo carries the arrogance of just being the guy who runs the Lakers. But his and LA Jerrah's recent decisions don't make any sense at all. First, if you had to purge all of the expensive players, including Bryant, just how and who would be able even as GM help rebuild a franchise? You can't build around Gasol. You can't at this point even try to build around Howard. Jerry West isn't going near the Lakers anymore. The Lakers had gotten older HOF talent in Karl Malone and Gary Payton, at the tail end of their careers, and then got Artest and Gasol later. Nash again is 39 years old. That's just all reloading around Bryant. As well as they should. But even all that is not taking minutes off of Bryant's legs. Bryant at the end of his career will probably be at the top of minutes played historically, or at least near it. Those legs are showing. Despite all of the recent talent, Bryant is still depended on more now than he should be. Most of that now is due to coaching, and even under Jackson, Bryant was still the guy who he had to depend on. If Bryant's old gimpy legs - which if you really looked at how many injuries and minutes he had to play through chasing younger faster players and being all over the court doing so - is still what you need to rely upon with Howard, Nash (who was pwned by Kirk Hinrich last night), Gasol (who can't even play patty cake with his soft hands), with having Artest have to shoot more than Jodie Meeks outside the arc all the while having zero clue on transition defense (which D'Antoni has zero concept of)....D'Antoni a misfire but Lakers front office has orchestrated trades for C. Paul and D. Howard in the past 18 months. If any ownership is beyond reproach it's the Buss family. Getting Howard was a masterstroke at the time. Bynum probably won't even play this year. Sometimes things don't work out.
It's a flat out mess in Los Angeles. Once Jack Nicholson put's the bag on his head courtside, then the Lakers have a shot at getting rid of Jimbo for Jeannie.
What you ask out of ownership is a NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, championship title. Not every owner will have one. But what separates owners who do is getting not only one, but the next, and maybe the next. Jerry Buss has done that. But he had Jerry West rebuild this team going after Shaq and landing Bryant. You tell me which Gasol is playing better at this moment: Marc or Pau. Marc was part of the Pau trade. Marc had an historic game in minutes played in a playoff last season. Pau is on the bench this season. Guess who helped rebuild Memphis?Winning two titles so soon after Shaq was dealt was brilliant. Getting Pau at that point was not an attraction to LA move. Those two titles were due to the front office/ownership. Bynum pick and Pau trade.Lebron and Durant were not available. So they got Howard. Hard to ask more out of ownership.Oh sure, I've given credit to Jimbo and Kupchak for landing those players, but it more the attraction of playing in LA, at least for Howard. Paul wound up playing at the same venue lulz. But you have to have a solid plan when you go after those players. Jimbo doesn't. At least from what we see. Jimbo carries the arrogance of just being the guy who runs the Lakers. But his and LA Jerrah's recent decisions don't make any sense at all. First, if you had to purge all of the expensive players, including Bryant, just how and who would be able even as GM help rebuild a franchise? You can't build around Gasol. You can't at this point even try to build around Howard. Jerry West isn't going near the Lakers anymore. The Lakers had gotten older HOF talent in Karl Malone and Gary Payton, at the tail end of their careers, and then got Artest and Gasol later. Nash again is 39 years old. That's just all reloading around Bryant. As well as they should. But even all that is not taking minutes off of Bryant's legs. Bryant at the end of his career will probably be at the top of minutes played historically, or at least near it. Those legs are showing. Despite all of the recent talent, Bryant is still depended on more now than he should be. Most of that now is due to coaching, and even under Jackson, Bryant was still the guy who he had to depend on. If Bryant's old gimpy legs - which if you really looked at how many injuries and minutes he had to play through chasing younger faster players and being all over the court doing so - is still what you need to rely upon with Howard, Nash (who was pwned by Kirk Hinrich last night), Gasol (who can't even play patty cake with his soft hands), with having Artest have to shoot more than Jodie Meeks outside the arc all the while having zero clue on transition defense (which D'Antoni has zero concept of)....D'Antoni a misfire but Lakers front office has orchestrated trades for C. Paul and D. Howard in the past 18 months. If any ownership is beyond reproach it's the Buss family. Getting Howard was a masterstroke at the time. Bynum probably won't even play this year. Sometimes things don't work out.
It's a flat out mess in Los Angeles. Once Jack Nicholson put's the bag on his head courtside, then the Lakers have a shot at getting rid of Jimbo for Jeannie.
No one in the Laker universe regrets the Pau trade. Marc Gasol? Who cares.Short of being the GM themselves what is the Buss family to do? They hired West who got Shaq/Kobe. They hired Kupchack who helped bring two titles to LA with such a lopsided trade Popovich was calling for a veto.What you ask out of ownership is a NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, championship title. Not every owner will have one. But what separates owners who do is getting not only one, but the next, and maybe the next. Jerry Buss has done that. But he had Jerry West rebuild this team going after Shaq and landing Bryant. You tell me which Gasol is playing better at this moment: Marc or Pau. Marc was part of the Pau trade. Marc had an historic game in minutes played in a playoff last season. Pau is on the bench this season. Guess who helped rebuild Memphis?Winning two titles so soon after Shaq was dealt was brilliant. Getting Pau at that point was not an attraction to LA move. Those two titles were due to the front office/ownership. Bynum pick and Pau trade.Lebron and Durant were not available. So they got Howard. Hard to ask more out of ownership.Oh sure, I've given credit to Jimbo and Kupchak for landing those players, but it more the attraction of playing in LA, at least for Howard. Paul wound up playing at the same venue lulz. But you have to have a solid plan when you go after those players. Jimbo doesn't. At least from what we see. Jimbo carries the arrogance of just being the guy who runs the Lakers. But his and LA Jerrah's recent decisions don't make any sense at all. First, if you had to purge all of the expensive players, including Bryant, just how and who would be able even as GM help rebuild a franchise? You can't build around Gasol. You can't at this point even try to build around Howard. Jerry West isn't going near the Lakers anymore. The Lakers had gotten older HOF talent in Karl Malone and Gary Payton, at the tail end of their careers, and then got Artest and Gasol later. Nash again is 39 years old. That's just all reloading around Bryant. As well as they should. But even all that is not taking minutes off of Bryant's legs. Bryant at the end of his career will probably be at the top of minutes played historically, or at least near it. Those legs are showing. Despite all of the recent talent, Bryant is still depended on more now than he should be. Most of that now is due to coaching, and even under Jackson, Bryant was still the guy who he had to depend on. If Bryant's old gimpy legs - which if you really looked at how many injuries and minutes he had to play through chasing younger faster players and being all over the court doing so - is still what you need to rely upon with Howard, Nash (who was pwned by Kirk Hinrich last night), Gasol (who can't even play patty cake with his soft hands), with having Artest have to shoot more than Jodie Meeks outside the arc all the while having zero clue on transition defense (which D'Antoni has zero concept of)....D'Antoni a misfire but Lakers front office has orchestrated trades for C. Paul and D. Howard in the past 18 months. If any ownership is beyond reproach it's the Buss family. Getting Howard was a masterstroke at the time. Bynum probably won't even play this year. Sometimes things don't work out.
It's a flat out mess in Los Angeles. Once Jack Nicholson put's the bag on his head courtside, then the Lakers have a shot at getting rid of Jimbo for Jeannie.
If the Pau trade was so great, why is Pau a total mess for the past few years? Pau on his own would have never led a Laker team to a title. It's like thinking Elden Campbell could do that. It's like thinking Radmonovich could do that. Gasol is soft. Always has been soft. His numbers are putrid now. He can't transcend his game because maybe, just maybe he has a boatload of limitations. Maybe, just maybe you need a HOF player like Bryant or Lebron James to carry him. He can't even lead a bench of scrubs like Odom had. Now that Odom is gone, what is Gasol doing? Nothing.No one in the Laker universe regrets the Pau trade. Marc Gasol? Who cares.Short of being the GM themselves what is the Buss family to do? They hired West who got Shaq/Kobe. They hired Kupchack who helped bring two titles to LA with such a lopsided trade Popovich was calling for a veto.What you ask out of ownership is a NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, championship title. Not every owner will have one. But what separates owners who do is getting not only one, but the next, and maybe the next. Jerry Buss has done that. But he had Jerry West rebuild this team going after Shaq and landing Bryant. You tell me which Gasol is playing better at this moment: Marc or Pau. Marc was part of the Pau trade. Marc had an historic game in minutes played in a playoff last season. Pau is on the bench this season. Guess who helped rebuild Memphis?Winning two titles so soon after Shaq was dealt was brilliant. Getting Pau at that point was not an attraction to LA move. Those two titles were due to the front office/ownership. Bynum pick and Pau trade.Lebron and Durant were not available. So they got Howard. Hard to ask more out of ownership.Oh sure, I've given credit to Jimbo and Kupchak for landing those players, but it more the attraction of playing in LA, at least for Howard. Paul wound up playing at the same venue lulz. But you have to have a solid plan when you go after those players. Jimbo doesn't. At least from what we see. Jimbo carries the arrogance of just being the guy who runs the Lakers. But his and LA Jerrah's recent decisions don't make any sense at all. First, if you had to purge all of the expensive players, including Bryant, just how and who would be able even as GM help rebuild a franchise? You can't build around Gasol. You can't at this point even try to build around Howard. Jerry West isn't going near the Lakers anymore. The Lakers had gotten older HOF talent in Karl Malone and Gary Payton, at the tail end of their careers, and then got Artest and Gasol later. Nash again is 39 years old. That's just all reloading around Bryant. As well as they should. But even all that is not taking minutes off of Bryant's legs. Bryant at the end of his career will probably be at the top of minutes played historically, or at least near it. Those legs are showing. Despite all of the recent talent, Bryant is still depended on more now than he should be. Most of that now is due to coaching, and even under Jackson, Bryant was still the guy who he had to depend on. If Bryant's old gimpy legs - which if you really looked at how many injuries and minutes he had to play through chasing younger faster players and being all over the court doing so - is still what you need to rely upon with Howard, Nash (who was pwned by Kirk Hinrich last night), Gasol (who can't even play patty cake with his soft hands), with having Artest have to shoot more than Jodie Meeks outside the arc all the while having zero clue on transition defense (which D'Antoni has zero concept of)....D'Antoni a misfire but Lakers front office has orchestrated trades for C. Paul and D. Howard in the past 18 months. If any ownership is beyond reproach it's the Buss family. Getting Howard was a masterstroke at the time. Bynum probably won't even play this year. Sometimes things don't work out.
It's a flat out mess in Los Angeles. Once Jack Nicholson put's the bag on his head courtside, then the Lakers have a shot at getting rid of Jimbo for Jeannie.
Way out on a limb talking that the Pau trade wasn't a coup.
Laker fans are so spoiled that Howard is not good enough. Myself included.
Jeebus, just give it up. I know a girl (who went to a big time college playing basketball) that can talk better basketball than you.
I have a 3 year old nephew with a nerf hoop that makes more sense than anything you've posted the last few weeks. You're currently the unanimous pick for worst poster in this thread. You're so bad, in fact, that people are clamorring for jmon. Jmon, an infantile Kobe worshipper capable of only irrational thought. The people prefer that to your nonsensical ramblings.
Thanks a lot. She still can shake you outta your laces, and is way stronger. She is just a inch short or two of Lisa Leslie (who I've met and talked to), and can pwn you anyday of the week and in the leap year. Lulz, you got mad because a girl can beat you.
You make no sense.
Amazing. Almost as amazing as when I met Wilt, Magic, Nash, Barry, etc. Seriously. It was during the time the US Women's team was prepping for the Olympics. Which they won!
Stole that from your 3 year old nephew it seems.
His thoughts and points are more easily discernible.
Of course. It's more your speed.
Doubt it
Im noticing a recurring theme here: you make no sense. I'm just going to stop now for the benefit of the thread and return to actual nba talk. I stand by my feelings on the lakers issues that you attempted to refute by saying some chick could talk better hoops.
Well, she is a Laker fan who knows more about the league and Laker basketball than you. The point is that your idea of Laker fans is totally idiotic, since you park in a Skrubs thread. It's not that Srkubs is a total moron. It's just that you;re more a moron for following the meme that Ferris did a better job of. I know Laker basketball like I know 49er football. It's being a hardcore fan. I just laugh at the idiocy of the Laker talk here. If you fall into the trap and have no balls to talk Laker basketball, than fine. Just don't do it. I can talk Clyde Drexler all day. I can talk Steve Nash all day. I can talk John Stockton all day. I love all those players. Take the stupid JMon meme off this thread in the subtitle. Maybe then this thread could be taken seriously. I just play with the shtick that's on the court. You're the one who has to show me something. I got over 30 years of Laker basketball in my veins Chango. Los Lakers. Do you believe in something like that?
