*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[thecatch]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Why is it a horrible idea? They either give you an interesting analytical angle or they don't, but it doesn't cost you anything either way. All upside.

I was kidding about the horrible idea part. I like it.It might make it easier to mock SAC if things go bad, but I like the idea.

Even though I'd like to think the new leadership knows what they are doing, as a long suffering fan I'm expecting another Jimmer-esque trade.

 

[Abraham]

I agree with Simmons - If embid slips past boston then there is something else at play and he may go in the 20's.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I agree with Simmons - If embid slips past boston then there is something else at play and he may go in the 20's.

Keep us posted

 

[Abraham]

I agree with Simmons - If embid slips past boston then there is something else at play and he may go in the 20's.

Keep us posted

Will do. I have Anthony Bennett going undrafted this year as well.

 

[Abraham]

Billboard in San Antonio.

http://tinypic.com/r/2chvyat/8

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Smart?

BTW, if today is normal behavior for Marcus Smart, he is going to be a hated player in the NBA. What a drama queen. He had the "fall like you've been shot after shooting an uncontested three" down pat. While tumbling to the ground after getting fouled in a dunk attempt, he pulled Embiid on top of him then pulled his arms way back to sell Embiid as the aggressor. He curled off a screen and threw himself to the ground to draw Wiggins's second foul in the first half. While guarding Selden on one late play, he slapped Selden in the stomach, then slapped him in the nuts, then fell like he was Michael Spinks after a Mike Tyson uppercut when Selden cleared out the space with his elbows. And he was #####ing to the refs constantly.

I don't remember that kind of attitude from him last season, but it's not isolated; at K-State a couple weeks ago, he slapped the backboard after a dunk, drawing a technical for his 4th foul early in the second half, triggering a K-State rally in a game OSU should have won easily but lost.

This post was made a few weeks before he got into that shouting match with a Texas Tech fan seated courtside that escalated into Smart throwing a punch at the fan. ETA: or this sequence against Iowa State where he flopped twice against DeAndre Kane on the same drive.

There's a great player trapped inside Marcus Smart, but IMO it comes with too much baggage. He's got locker room lawyer and coach killer written all over him. And I am just at draftniks talking about what a "winner" Smart is. His theatrics cost his team several winnable games this season and dragged a team talented enough to challenge for the Big XII title and a 2-3 seed down to middle tier of the conference and the NCAA bubble.

If you want to see some top-shelf hating on Marcus Smart, The Official Marcus Smart Photoshop/MS Paint Thread at the KU Scout board is phenomenal.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Thanks for sharing that…really enjoyed it.

That's ####### awesome. Kudos for that.

 

[Wooderson]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Thanks for sharing thatreally enjoyed it.

That's ####### awesome. Kudos for that.

Very cool

 

[Jayrod]

If you want to see some top-shelf hating on Marcus Smart, The Official Marcus Smart Photoshop/MS Paint Thread at the KU Scout board is phenomenal.

just woke up my wife laughing at these. Hilarious stuff.

 

[Daywalker]

If you think Embiid will be ready to go by 2015 season then the Lakers should take him at #7. No one expects them to compete next year. They will likely lose their first-rounder to Phoenix next year too. At least you can go into 2015 with a healthy Embiid and lots of cap-space if they hold onto it. They are a team that can wait on him. Jimbo also the driving force behind the Bynum pick way back when which did pay dividends for LA eventually.

If somehow Lebron shows interest in the Lakers, unlikely, then Embiid is a tantalizing trade piece in order to shed the Nash deal and pick up some nice role players while freeing up cap-space for this offseason.

I'd rather be in that position then draft say M. Smart. That said If enough teams think Embiid will be ready for 2015 then him falling to #7 a dream.

 

[Kev4029]

If you think Embiid will be ready to go by 2015 season then the Lakers should take him at #7. No one expects them to compete next year. They will likely lose their first-rounder to Phoenix next year too. At least you can go into 2015 with a healthy Embiid and lots of cap-space if they hold onto it. They are a team that can wait on him. Jimbo also the driving force behind the Bynum pick way back when which did pay dividends for LA eventually.

If somehow Lebron shows interest in the Lakers, unlikely, then Embiid is a tantalizing trade piece in order to shed the Nash deal and pick up some nice role players while freeing up cap-space for this offseason.

I'd rather be in that position then draft say M. Smart. That said If enough teams think Embiid will be ready for 2015 then him falling to #7 a dream.

If teams thought he would be good to go a year from now he wouldn't be falling to 7.

 

[Daywalker]

If you think Embiid will be ready to go by 2015 season then the Lakers should take him at #7. No one expects them to compete next year. They will likely lose their first-rounder to Phoenix next year too. At least you can go into 2015 with a healthy Embiid and lots of cap-space if they hold onto it. They are a team that can wait on him. Jimbo also the driving force behind the Bynum pick way back when which did pay dividends for LA eventually.

If somehow Lebron shows interest in the Lakers, unlikely, then Embiid is a tantalizing trade piece in order to shed the Nash deal and pick up some nice role players while freeing up cap-space for this offseason.

I'd rather be in that position then draft say M. Smart. That said If enough teams think Embiid will be ready for 2015 then him falling to #7 a dream.

If teams thought he would be good to go a year from now he wouldn't be falling to 7.

Yes, I mentioned that. But it looks like his injury status is going to be murky going into the draft. Think their will be a lot of question marks. This is an opportunity. Boston and LA are two teams with GM's with enough security to roll the dice without hesitation. A lot of the crumby low lottery teams have GM's who will be hesitant to draft a player who is sitting out this coming season and who will likely be a project for another. Meaning he's not going higher then #4. Falling to #7 is not out of the question in this draft.

Also think Arn Tellem wouldn't be that unhappy if Embiid fell to Boston or LA.

 

[wazoo11]

I really hope the Celtics draft TJ Warren at 17.

 

[pollardsvision]

If you think Embiid will be ready to go by 2015 season then the Lakers should take him at #7. No one expects them to compete next year. They will likely lose their first-rounder to Phoenix next year too. At least you can go into 2015 with a healthy Embiid and lots of cap-space if they hold onto it. They are a team that can wait on him. Jimbo also the driving force behind the Bynum pick way back when which did pay dividends for LA eventually.

If somehow Lebron shows interest in the Lakers, unlikely, then Embiid is a tantalizing trade piece in order to shed the Nash deal and pick up some nice role players while freeing up cap-space for this offseason.

I'd rather be in that position then draft say M. Smart. That said If enough teams think Embiid will be ready for 2015 then him falling to #7 a dream.

If teams thought he would be good to go a year from now he wouldn't be falling to 7.

Yes, I mentioned that. But it looks like his injury status is going to be murky going into the draft. Think their will be a lot of question marks. This is an opportunity. Boston and LA are two teams with GM's with enough security to roll the dice without hesitation. A lot of the crumby low lottery teams have GM's who will be hesitant to draft a player who is sitting out this coming season and who will likely be a project for another. Meaning he's not going higher then #4. Falling to #7 is not out of the question in this draft.Also think Arn Tellem wouldn't be that unhappy if Embiid fell to Boston or LA.

I do agree that part of Embiid's fall (which I think will be quite severe) has to do with the teams themselves.

This is the best draft in a decade. A lot of these teams feel like they can't come out of this with the next Oden. Not when the cost is likely a good player. It's not an impatience thing though. It's just a long-term injury risk.

I'm not sure it's a job security thing either, because for most of these teams, I'd bet the owner ends up getting the final say on Embiid anyway.

I don't even want CHA to fool with him at 9. I really, really hope he's gone. Right or wrong, I'll have a hard time believing that the Hornets just got the steal of the century, and won't have much doubt that they just drafted a man not meant to play basketball.

I'd guess some of that is true for the entire Top 10, except for BOS/LA. Those fans would all think something brilliant just happened.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

If you want to see some top-shelf hating on Marcus Smart, The Official Marcus Smart Photoshop/MS Paint Thread at the KU Scout board is phenomenal.

just woke up my wife laughing at these. Hilarious stuff.

Genius

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Speaking of SAC, I'm very curious to see what they do now that they've apparently crowdsourced some geeks from the innerwebs to help with their scouting and research dept.

http://grantland.com/features/sacramento-kings-2014-nba-draft-crowdsourcing/

It sounds like a horrible idea, but hell, it can't get any worse. This is a league where 70 YO's that have never GM'd get tapped to save a franchise from the other coast, and being a former PG makes you worth $5 mill/year as a coach.

Anyway, that's what made the J-Smoove rumors even more odd. There's no player stat geeks hate more than him. Well, it's between him and Rudy Gay

Guaranteed improvement over whomever has been making the decisions previously. This is the team that wanted to pay Rudy Gay $19M this season.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I really hope the Celtics draft TJ Warren at 17.

Warren's shot bothers me for some reason. From what I saw in the ACC I'd rather have Hood or maybe even Hairston. Big fan of Hood.

 

[Juxtatarot]

With all the glowing talk on Exum we've heard recently, I thought I'd balance that with a link of this Grantland article with scouts discussing his game: link

 

[pollardsvision]

Ford reporting that the Hornets have "promised" to take Mitch McGary at 24.

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/481514927832969217

Why a team would ever do this, I have no idea, especially this year where predicting who will be available at 24 is nearly impossible (a projected lottery pick will almost certainly fall that far).

If true, I guess a pair of white dudes from Michigan it is.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I really hope the Celtics draft TJ Warren at 17.

Warren's shot bothers me for some reason. From what I saw in the ACC I'd rather have Hood or maybe even Hairston. Big fan of Hood.

Warren is like one of those forwards from tech 1970s-early 1980s who reinvents his shooting form every time he puts the ball up. He was awesome around the basket and drew a lot of fouls because he can fire from several different release points and hit from circus-shot angles. However, an NBA shooting coach will be starting from scratch teaching him to hit anything deeper than a free throw.IMO, Warren is a potential 6MOY candidate because he's such a clever scorer, but with broken shooting form and coming from a college system that didn't play defense, he's a ways from being a starter.

 

[Tom Hagen]

With all the glowing talk on Exum we've heard recently, I thought I'd balance that with a link of this Grantland article with scouts discussing his game: link

I don't know how good Exum will be but this sounds accurate:

Everyone else, we have seen the film, we know the positives and the negatives. Embiid, injuries; Parker, body; Wiggins, shot. [The process] exposes the flaws. It’s all positives for Exum. We haven’t seen much, so we all think he’s great. With the other guys, we built them up pre-draft, then spent months picking them apart. Exum avoided all of this.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm trying to come up with a way to get the entire 2012-13 Michigan Wolverines team to Charlotte. That's where Jordan seems headed anyway. May as well help him out.

I'm thinking....

Send the #9 to PHX for the 14, 27, and the Laker's future pick.

Send Kemba to Utah for Trey Burke and the 23.

Send the 24, the future Lakers pick, and Hendo to NYK for Hardaway Jr.

That leaves us the 14, 23, and 27 to take Stauskas, Pup Robinson and McCary.

I really don't want to trade Al though. This young team will need his leadership.

I want to roll out...

PG: Burke

SG: Hardaway Jr, with Stauskas off the bench

SF: Robinson

PF: McCary

C: Al

When Al needs a breather, go small ball with a pair of 6'6" SG's.

Stauskas probably won't be there at 14 though. So I might just have to keep the 9. In that case, I'd have to probably land that HOU #25 pick by taking that dirtbag Lin.

Considering it's a 3-way trade involving Lin, I probably need Abe's expertise to pull that off.

Would NYK take the 25 and MKG for Hardaway? Hmmmmm......Maybe they'd want Lin too.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

 

[wazoo11]

I really hope the Celtics draft TJ Warren at 17.

Warren's shot bothers me for some reason. From what I saw in the ACC I'd rather have Hood or maybe even Hairston. Big fan of Hood.

Warren is like one of those forwards from tech 1970s-early 1980s who reinvents his shooting form every time he puts the ball up. He was awesome around the basket and drew a lot of fouls because he can fire from several different release points and hit from circus-shot angles. However, an NBA shooting coach will be starting from scratch teaching him to hit anything deeper than a free throw.IMO, Warren is a potential 6MOY candidate because he's such a clever scorer, but with broken shooting form and coming from a college system that didn't play defense, he's a ways from being a starter.

He can't be worse than Jeff Green is.

 

[Max Power]

The Memphis Grizzlies and forward Zach Randolph have reached an impasse in contract extension talks and the two-time All-Star forward is thinking seriously about triggering his early termination option and becoming a free agent, league sources told Yahoo Sports….

Memphis has held firm on a three-year extension, but Randolph has preferred the security of four years, league sources said.

Randolph, 32, has until June 30 to trigger a $16.5 million player option on the final season of his contract. If he opts out, he can become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

I think he'll opt out. Or Memphis comes around. That team doesn't make the playoffs without him.

 

[matuski]

The Memphis Grizzlies and forward Zach Randolph have reached an impasse in contract extension talks and the two-time All-Star forward is thinking seriously about triggering his early termination option and becoming a free agent, league sources told Yahoo Sports….

Memphis has held firm on a three-year extension, but Randolph has preferred the security of four years, league sources said.

Randolph, 32, has until June 30 to trigger a $16.5 million player option on the final season of his contract. If he opts out, he can become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

I think he'll opt out. Or Memphis comes around. That team doesn't make the playoffs without him.

Love Randolph. Guy does work.

 

[RUSF18]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 18m

Sources: Heat aggressively trying to move up in draft. Target is Shabazz Napier. LeBron thinks he’s best PG in the draft & Heat need a PG

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 12m

Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

 

[Bobcat10]

Looking over some names...where were these guys rated before the college season?

McAdoo

Fair

Dinwiddie

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 6m
Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

Dan Gilbert @cavsdan · 2h
Nonsense. We are united. RT @chadfordinsider: Cavs owner Dan Gilbert wants Wiggins at #1 Front office wants Parker. http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/

 

[fantasycurse42]

Looking over some names...where were these guys rated before the college season?

McAdoo

Fair

Dinwiddie

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 6m
Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

Dan Gilbert @cavsdan · 2h
Nonsense. We are united. RT @chadfordinsider: Cavs owner Dan Gilbert wants Wiggins at #1 Front office wants Parker. http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/

McAdoo has been falling pretty hard after since his soph campaign... He doesn't have the skill set or size to fit in. He'll be lucky if he is in the league in 3 or 4 years. Should've played his senior year out, won a national title, and improved his stock as best as he can since it can't get much worse.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 18m

Sources: Heat aggressively trying to move up in draft. Target is Shabazz Napier. LeBron thinks he’s best PG in the draft & Heat need a PG

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 12m

Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

Norris Cole isn't that good. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no takers.

 

[Sammy3469]

Didn't see it mentioned yet, but Z-Bo may opt out.

 

[sporthenry]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 18m

Sources: Heat aggressively trying to move up in draft. Target is Shabazz Napier. LeBron thinks he’s best PG in the draft & Heat need a PG

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 12m

Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

Heat will run their franchise into the ground following LeBron's advice. Napier as the best PG? I guess they need the scoring though.

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of best PG in the draft, Andy Katz has Elfrid Payton going to the Lakers or Kings. Lakers brought him in for 2 workouts.

Holy crap, the Hornets might actually have a chance for Embiid and Randle. And I'm going to want them to pass on both.

 

[Max Power]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 18m

Sources: Heat aggressively trying to move up in draft. Target is Shabazz Napier. LeBron thinks he’s best PG in the draft & Heat need a PG

Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 12m

Heat will try to package No. 26 & Norris Cole to get up in the late teens for Napier.

Norris Cole isn't that good. I wouldn't be surprised if there were no takers.

no one in the late teens for sure.

 

[Max Power]

Speaking of best PG in the draft, Andy Katz has Elfrid Payton going to the Lakers or Kings. Lakers brought him in for 2 workouts.

Holy crap, the Hornets might actually have a chance for Embiid and Randle. And I'm going to want them to pass on both.

I don't get the love for this kid. Shoots 60% from the line and 27% from the arc. Those are scary bad numbers for a top 10 pick.

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of best PG in the draft, Andy Katz has Elfrid Payton going to the Lakers or Kings. Lakers brought him in for 2 workouts.

Holy crap, the Hornets might actually have a chance for Embiid and Randle. And I'm going to want them to pass on both.

I don't get the love for this kid. Shoots 60% from the line and 27% from the arc. Those are scary bad numbers for a top 10 pick.

I really don't know much about him, but there will be 2 other PGs going in front him that are also poor shooters. Not as bad, but apparently G's that can't shoot are all the rage these days.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

Haslem will actually pay a fee. It's worth it to lock up that sweet assistant to the travelling secretary job with the Heat after he's done playing.

 

[thecatch]

The Memphis Grizzlies and forward Zach Randolph have reached an impasse in contract extension talks and the two-time All-Star forward is thinking seriously about triggering his early termination option and becoming a free agent, league sources told Yahoo Sports….

Memphis has held firm on a three-year extension, but Randolph has preferred the security of four years, league sources said.

Randolph, 32, has until June 30 to trigger a $16.5 million player option on the final season of his contract. If he opts out, he can become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

I think he'll opt out. Or Memphis comes around. That team doesn't make the playoffs without him.

Love Randolph. Guy does work.

He's one of my 5 or so favorite players in the league, but I wouldn't want to pay him 8 figures when he's 36.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

With all the glowing talk on Exum we've heard recently, I thought I'd balance that with a link of this Grantland article with scouts discussing his game: link

great stuff. thank you.

 

[randall146]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

Haslem will actually pay a fee. It's worth it to lock up that sweet assistant to the travelling secretary job with the Heat after he's done playing.

Laugh all you want, but wait and see. You guys don't understand that Riley has something special going on down there.

 

[RUSF18]

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Had the same thought. It would be one thing if you're talking about a player with significant upside, but what are you gaining from Cole and #26? Better to stay put and hope to get a solid rotation guy with the hopes of striking gold.

 

[The Goat]

Strange...I've seen Gary Harris falling pretty far in some mocks, like...late teens/early 20s...and I can't figure out why. I would be perfectly happy with the Sixers nabbing him at 10.

(Unless, of course, they draft Exum...which I don't think they're going to do.)

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Had the same thought. It would be one thing if you're talking about a player with significant upside, but what are you gaining from Cole and #26? Better to stay put and hope to get a solid rotation guy with the hopes of striking gold.

Pat Riley Jedi Mind Trick

 

[RUSF18]

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Had the same thought. It would be one thing if you're talking about a player with significant upside, but what are you gaining from Cole and #26? Better to stay put and hope to get a solid rotation guy with the hopes of striking gold.

Pat Riley Jedi Mind Trick

Maybe they can throw in some of those no-show jobs that seem to be plentiful?

 

[Max Power]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

Haslem will actually pay a fee. It's worth it to lock up that sweet assistant to the travelling secretary job with the Heat after he's done playing.

Laugh all you want, but wait and see. You guys don't understand that Riley has something special going on down there.

I don't think its a mystery... All three opt out. Come back at reduced rates.

Miami throws money at a real center. Say Jordan Hill level.

Spend 3-5 mil a piece for a starting PG and SG.

Let Wade come off the bench in a 6th Man role

Bring back Ray Allen for another year.

Use the draft pick for depth.

Fill out roster with min level guys

Now is that enough to win? who knows...

 

[fantasycurse42]

Haven't been in here for 4 or 5 pages... Have we all accepted the fact that every MIA player will be playing for one dollar this year?

Haslem will actually pay a fee. It's worth it to lock up that sweet assistant to the travelling secretary job with the Heat after he's done playing.

Laugh all you want, but wait and see. You guys don't understand that Riley has something special going on down there.

I don't think its a mystery... All three opt out. Come back at reduced rates.

Miami throws money at a real center. Say Jordan Hill level.

Spend 3-5 mil a piece for a starting PG and SG.

Let Wade come off the bench in a 6th Man role

Bring back Ray Allen for another year.

Use the draft pick for depth.

Fill out roster with min level guys

Now is that enough to win? who knows...

<---------- Would be very surprised if Wade opts out.

 

[CBusAlex]

Seems strange that teams in the late teens (CHI, BOS, ATL) would help the Heat.

Had the same thought. It would be one thing if you're talking about a player with significant upside, but what are you gaining from Cole and #26?

A sweet retirement gig for Danny Ainge as the Heat's Director of Basketball Storage and Transportation, obviously. [/Todem]

 

[Max Power]

They'll have to make it a 4/55m deal, knowing that its only buying them a three year window. The last year or two might be brutal, but it keeps hope alive.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Strange...I've seen Gary Harris falling pretty far in some mocks, like...late teens/early 20s...and I can't figure out why. I would be perfectly happy with the Sixers nabbing him at 10.

(Unless, of course, they draft Exum...which I don't think they're going to do.)

I think teams are turned off by his lack of size for a 2. If the Bulls keep their picks, I believe they'd take him at 16. Rumors are they want one of shooters - McDermott, Sauskas (sp?), or Harris. Harris is the only one with much of a chance of being there at 16.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So if Wade opts out and accepts 4/50 (or whatever), will he be forced to have to have another opt out in a few years when he regresses even further? I'm sure he'd do that too. After all, it's all about winning.