*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[TobiasFunke]

So, Woj is taking a beating today. This piece is a pretty thorough takedown. Valid criticism IMO- his analysis is almost always awful and transparently driven by some agenda given to him by a source, and the stuff with him posting fake "news" to assist an agent is pretty damning.

The bit on the NBA outing Dumars as their leak by distributing 30 different memos is also amazing.

It's great for Woj. Article basically said he is single-handedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The breaking news is what drives traffic not the puff pieces.

Everyone already knew he was singlehandedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The article explains how he's doing it- by compromising his integrity. Not sure how that's great for him.

 

[Sinn Fein]

How U

I don't really follow the NBA, but saw this link in the grantland piece above. I am sure most of you already know about it, but for me it was fascinating to see the NBA plays illustrated so cleanly on video.

 

[Village Idiot]

And Isaiah Thomas says Mark Jackson is the perfect fit in Sacramento,

Which of course means it would be a disaster of a hire because you can count on Thomas being wrong about decisions like these at about a 99.9% confidence level.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I don't watch a lot of NBA until after the new year. So who has the 2nd-best stroke on long jumpers these days?

Korver.

Hmmm, according to this, he may not take a backseat to anyone.

I wouldn't put up a fight if someone said he was one and Curry was two.

Curry is hands down the best shooter in the NBA. The difference between him and Korver is how they get their 3s. I would guess that the majority of Korver's threes come off of pin downs, hand offs, and catch and shoot situations where Curry gets all of that but he also takes handfuls of shots off the dribble. There has probably never been a better three point shooter off the dribble in the history of the NBA.

If Korver added two off-the-dribble threes attempts per game this season just to make it a more than fair comparison, and somehow missed every single one, he'd still be shooting a higher percentage from behind the arc than Curry (yes I did the math, I'm a nerd).

 

[Village Idiot]

Last night the Spurs had these shooting percentages.

FG% 41.0%

3P% 48.6%

FT% 48.1%

My mind, it is blown by this.

Did they tag in Shaq to shoot their free throws last night?

Duncan was 5-15 on FT's.

Ginobli was 3-7.

 

[TobiasFunke]

More Korver insanity: in case you think he's only taking clean looks while others are forced to take threes when the situation dictates, he's shooting a preposterous 73.1% from three in the fourth quarter this season (19 for 26). No doubt a number of those are forced threes with his team trailing; I assume he sits when his team has a lead to protect in favor of Carroll and Sefolosha.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I don't watch a lot of NBA until after the new year. So who has the 2nd-best stroke on long jumpers these days?

Korver.

Hmmm, according to this, he may not take a backseat to anyone.

I wouldn't put up a fight if someone said he was one and Curry was two.

Curry is hands down the best shooter in the NBA. The difference between him and Korver is how they get their 3s. I would guess that the majority of Korver's threes come off of pin downs, hand offs, and catch and shoot situations where Curry gets all of that but he also takes handfuls of shots off the dribble. There has probably never been a better three point shooter off the dribble in the history of the NBA.

Curry can definitely create more shots for himself but that doesn't make him a better shooter. A better basketball player, yes, but not a better shooter.

 

[Kev4029]

Curry is shooting well below his career average (about 5%), Korver is shooting well above his career average (about 10%). For their careers Curry shoots a higher percentage. I wouldn't argue that Korver has shot better this year, but he is by no means the better shooter.

 

[thecatch]

So, Woj is taking a beating today. This piece is a pretty thorough takedown. Valid criticism IMO- his analysis is almost always awful and transparently driven by some agenda given to him by a source, and the stuff with him posting fake "news" to assist an agent is pretty damning.

The bit on the NBA outing Dumars as their leak by distributing 30 different memos is also amazing.

It's great for Woj. Article basically said he is single-handedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The breaking news is what drives traffic not the puff pieces.

Everyone already knew he was singlehandedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The article explains how he's doing it- by compromising his integrity. Not sure how that's great for him.

As a consumer of his Twitter feed output and not his Yahoo articles, I really don't care if he needs to write a puff piece about his sources every once in awhile in order to keep breaking news.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

 

[TobiasFunke]

So, Woj is taking a beating today. This piece is a pretty thorough takedown. Valid criticism IMO- his analysis is almost always awful and transparently driven by some agenda given to him by a source, and the stuff with him posting fake "news" to assist an agent is pretty damning.

The bit on the NBA outing Dumars as their leak by distributing 30 different memos is also amazing.

It's great for Woj. Article basically said he is single-handedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The breaking news is what drives traffic not the puff pieces.

Everyone already knew he was singlehandedly outperforming 75 guys at ESPN. The article explains how he's doing it- by compromising his integrity. Not sure how that's great for him.

As a consumer of his Twitter feed output and not his Yahoo articles, I really don't care if he needs to write a puff piece about his sources every once in awhile in order to keep breaking news.

Right, which is why I didn't say it was terrible for you or any other basketball fans. I said it was terrible for him. Nobody likes to have their integrity permanently scarred like that. Whether you or I read the puff pieces or not, he writes them. Other people read them. And to take it a step further- they can't be as effective in the ###-for-tat arrangement he seems to have going with sources if they have no credibility and everyone knows it.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I don't watch a lot of NBA until after the new year. So who has the 2nd-best stroke on long jumpers these days?

Korver.

Hmmm, according to this, he may not take a backseat to anyone.

I wouldn't put up a fight if someone said he was one and Curry was two.

Curry is hands down the best shooter in the NBA. The difference between him and Korver is how they get their 3s. I would guess that the majority of Korver's threes come off of pin downs, hand offs, and catch and shoot situations where Curry gets all of that but he also takes handfuls of shots off the dribble. There has probably never been a better three point shooter off the dribble in the history of the NBA.

Article in WSJ yesterday on Curry: http://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-currys-science-of-sweet-shooting-1418766120

Curry’s career three-point average is 43.7%, which ranks third since the NBA introduced its three-point line in 1979. But that doesn’t properly measure his value. Curry, who is only 26, is first among players who have tried more than 2,000 three-point shots.

 

[Sammy3469]

Curry's still the best simply because he's the best shooter off the dribble (which is lower his rate this year). That skill puts so much pressure on the defense it's not even funny.

 

[popsecret]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

looks like he thought there might be someone behind him, and didn't want to get blocked.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Curry is shooting well below his career average (about 5%), Korver is shooting well above his career average (about 10%). For their careers Curry shoots a higher percentage. I wouldn't argue that Korver has shot better this year, but he is by no means the better shooter.

Korver has shot at or above Curry's career percentage in each of the last four seasons. Also Curry is on a three year downward trend, which is what you'd expect as his usage has increased.

It is somewhat misleading to use only their 2014-2015 numbers in a comparison due to the smaller sample size. But I'd say it's far more misleading to pretend that the Korver who shot 37.5% in 2007-2008 has any relevance at all. He shot 45.7% two seasons ago and 47.2% last season, both while attempting more threes than he has since he was 24. He's pretty clearly a different player than the one represented by his career numbers.

 

[tom22406]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

looks like he thought there might be someone behind him, and didn't want to get blocked.

Nice call on the traveling as well.

 

[popsecret]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

looks like he thought there might be someone behind him, and didn't want to get blocked.

Nice call on the traveling as well.

they don't call traveling in the NBA

 

[TobiasFunke]

Curry's still the best simply because he's the best shooter off the dribble (which is lower his rate this year). That skill puts so much pressure on the defense it's not even funny.

Golden State and Atlanta have virtually identical offensive efficiency numbers. Golden State is 6th in the league at 107.1 and Atlanta is seventh at 106.7.

That doesn't really prove anything of course, there's a lot that goes into that number beyond the relative impacts on the defense from their best shooters. And I don't mean to cut down Curry, who would get my MVP vote for the season to date. But I think people are underselling what Korver does here. He's not a corner three catch and shoot guy. He shoots a ridiculous 49% from the top of the key and puts a lot of pressure on the defense in his own right, as the Grantland article explained.

 

[Kev4029]

I couldn't find contested jump shooting percentage, but basketball reference does have % of 3's which are assisted. One would assume that the majority of assisted threes aren't as difficult or as often contested. This year Korver has 94% of his 3s assisted (96% for his career), Curry has 54% of his 3s assisted (62% for his career). That is a huge advantage for Korver's shooting percentage. The fact that Curry has the better percentage for his career shows how incredible he is.

 

[Kev4029]

Curry is shooting well below his career average (about 5%), Korver is shooting well above his career average (about 10%). For their careers Curry shoots a higher percentage. I wouldn't argue that Korver has shot better this year, but he is by no means the better shooter.

Korver has shot at or above Curry's career percentage in each of the last four seasons. Also Curry is on a three year downward trend, which is what you'd expect as his usage has increased.

It is somewhat misleading to use only their 2014-2015 numbers in a comparison due to the smaller sample size. But I'd say it's far more misleading to pretend that the Korver who shot 37.5% in 2007-2008 has any relevance at all. He shot 45.7% two seasons ago and 47.2% last season, both while attempting more threes than he has since he was 24. He's pretty clearly a different player than the one represented by his career numbers.

I would agree to a point, but I think the NBA game has changed more to take advantage of his skills than he has changed his game to take advantage of the NBA.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I couldn't find contested jump shooting percentage, but basketball reference does have % of 3's which are assisted. One would assume that the majority of assisted threes aren't as difficult or as often contested. This year Korver has 94% of his 3s assisted (96% for his career), Curry has 54% of his 3s assisted (62% for his career). That is a huge advantage for Korver's shooting percentage. The fact that Curry has the better percentage for his career shows how incredible he is.

NBA.com

Using 13/14:

Wide Open (Defender > 6 feet)

Korver: 53%

Curry: 46%

Defender 4-6 feet

Korver: 49%

Curry: 43%

Defender 2-4

Korver: 42%

Curry: 36%

0 Dribbles:

Korver: 49%

Curry: 48%

The biggest difference is Korver takes 56% of his 3's with 0 dribbles whereas Curry only takes 15%. Again, that makes Curry a better basketball player, but not necessarily a better shooter.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I couldn't find contested jump shooting percentage, but basketball reference does have % of 3's which are assisted. One would assume that the majority of assisted threes aren't as difficult or as often contested. This year Korver has 94% of his 3s assisted (96% for his career), Curry has 54% of his 3s assisted (62% for his career). That is a huge advantage for Korver's shooting percentage. The fact that Curry has the better percentage for his career shows how incredible he is.

Well, Curry is a PG (and a better basketball player overall). That's what you'd expect from that data. My guess is you'd find similar numbers for all PG vs SG comparisons. Doesn't make him a better shooter, though- a good number of those unassisted looks are still clean looks. And of course I'm not gonna argue that he's not incredible. I think the error people are making here is undervaluing what Korver does as a shooter, not overvaluing what Curry does as a shooter or a basketball player.

By the way, how do you get the assisted/unassisted data on BR? I can't find it on the shooting pages.

 

[SWC]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

looks like he thought there might be someone behind him, and didn't want to get blocked.

Nice call on the traveling as well.

i am glad he is out of milwaukee he is just a bad attitude who shoots a lot i used to think it was ellis but i think now that they have both moved on it is clear who the problem was i just do not think he will ever be an asset to a winning team take that to the bank

 

[SWC]

bucks update they looked really good against portland until the four quarter which i fell asleep during and did not really seee but from the box i see they got pretty outscored in the fourth anteaterakempko rolled his ankle and i guess we will have to see how bad it is today but all in all i am happy that they looked good after losing parker let us see if they can keep it up take that to the bank brohans

 

[Instinctive]

Rondo to the Mavs would be amazing. And perfect in every way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12045409/rajon-rondo-subject-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-trade-talks

Rondo

Ellis

Parsons

Dirk

Chandler

Guard rotation becomes Rondo/Ellis, Rondo/Harris, Ellis/Harris, and a little Barea mixed in. Would be really interesting to also allow either Rondo or Ellis more time leading bench rotations, or even allowing one to be in with Dirk on his slightly offset rotation.

I imagine it means Brandan Wright and at least a 1st rounder. For a #AbeTrade the Mavs get to unload Felton and Jameer also.

 

[thecatch]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

 

[the moops]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?

Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?

Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

 

[Instinctive]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?

Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

Ellis is a decent spot-up shooter, and, as I mentioned, allowing Ellis to spend more time leading a bench unit could be very powerful. Right now Barea does a lot of the bench unit ball-handling, and he's basically just a smaller, worse version of Ellis on offense.

Rondo's defense and rebounding would be huge helps as well. If anybody can fit Ellis/Rondo together, it's Carlisle.

 

[Village Idiot]

I can't believe nobody's posted the Brandon Jennings vine yet. The worst basketball play I've ever seen

looks like he thought there might be someone behind him, and didn't want to get blocked.

Nice call on the traveling as well.

they don't call traveling in the NBA

Marc Gasol was called for travelling against the Spurs last night.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?

Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

Ellis is a decent spot-up shooter, and, as I mentioned, allowing Ellis to spend more time leading a bench unit could be very powerful. Right now Barea does a lot of the bench unit ball-handling, and he's basically just a smaller, worse version of Ellis on offense.

Rondo's defense and rebounding would be huge helps as well. If anybody can fit Ellis/Rondo together, it's Carlisle.

Absolutely agree on Carlisle.

Its just a question whether the potential hit on offence (decline in production from Ellis and losing Wright) is worth the upgrade on defence.

 

[strykerpks]

anteaterakempko

 

[Poke_4_Life]

If Rondo moves to the Maxs it further shifts the balance of power to the West. Its getting out of control.

 

[General Malaise]

If Rondo moves to the Maxs it further shifts the balance of power to the West. Its getting out of control.

Getting?

 

[the moops]

@SportsCenter: BREAKING: Celtics agree in principle to deal sending Rajon Rondo to Dallas for Wright, Nelson, Crowder & 2 picks. (via @ESPNSteinLine)

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

Ellis is a decent spot-up shooter, and, as I mentioned, allowing Ellis to spend more time leading a bench unit could be very powerful. Right now Barea does a lot of the bench unit ball-handling, and he's basically just a smaller, worse version of Ellis on offense. Rondo's defense and rebounding would be huge helps as well. If anybody can fit Ellis/Rondo together, it's Carlisle.

Absolutely agree on Carlisle.

Its just a question whether the potential hit on offence (decline in production from Ellis and losing Wright) is worth the upgrade on defence.

Mavs PGs are 28th in APG and last in FG%, despite being 6th in APG and 1st in FG% as a team.To replace that with the league leader in APG who averages .473% in his career has 0 downside IMO.

 

[Instinctive]

So looks like the trade is basically done now. Sad to lose Crowder, but he never could quite put it all together for more than a minute or two of a game here and there.

Mavs probably ought to find a backup big now that's serviceable. The Dirk-at-Center with Aminu at PF small-ball lineup is likely to not do well defensively (understatement).

Wonder how Utah feels about Gobert/Favors. Probably a giant pipe dream given what Dallas has (doesn't have) to offer. Gorgui would be a perfect fit but that'll never happen either. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

 

[Short Corner]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

Ellis is a decent spot-up shooter, and, as I mentioned, allowing Ellis to spend more time leading a bench unit could be very powerful. Right now Barea does a lot of the bench unit ball-handling, and he's basically just a smaller, worse version of Ellis on offense. Rondo's defense and rebounding would be huge helps as well. If anybody can fit Ellis/Rondo together, it's Carlisle.

Absolutely agree on Carlisle.

Its just a question whether the potential hit on offence (decline in production from Ellis and losing Wright) is worth the upgrade on defence.

Mavs PGs are 28th in APG and last in FG%, despite being 6th in APG and 1st in FG% as a team.To replace that with the league leader in APG who averages .473% in his career has 0 downside IMO.

They also are running the most efficient offense in the league despite the low assist and FG% numbers from the 1. I am not so bringing in a ball dominant PG has zero downside.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Rondo / Ellis seems like an awkward fit.

Why is that?Rondo excels when he has shooters and pick and roll bigs. Seems like a great fit

Rondo is useless playing off the ball and Ellis needs the ball to be effective.

Ellis is a decent spot-up shooter, and, as I mentioned, allowing Ellis to spend more time leading a bench unit could be very powerful. Right now Barea does a lot of the bench unit ball-handling, and he's basically just a smaller, worse version of Ellis on offense. Rondo's defense and rebounding would be huge helps as well. If anybody can fit Ellis/Rondo together, it's Carlisle.

Absolutely agree on Carlisle.

Its just a question whether the potential hit on offence (decline in production from Ellis and losing Wright) is worth the upgrade on defence.

Mavs PGs are 28th in APG and last in FG%, despite being 6th in APG and 1st in FG% as a team.To replace that with the league leader in APG who averages .473% in his career has 0 downside IMO.

They also are running the most efficient offense in the league despite the low assist and FG% numbers from the 1. I am not so bringing in a ball dominant PG has zero downside.

But Rondo isn't a shooter. 9.6 shots a game shouldn't eat into what the Mavs scorers are shooting. Unless he's decided he wants to be the #1 option (Williams, Rose...), I don't see the negative. Rondo seems like a good chemistry fit with the offense they run. I'm not calling a championship or anything, but I feel like they addressed their weakest position with a guy that fits their style of depending on the SG, PF and to a lesser extent, SF, for scoring and their front court for rebounds. The team defense will never be the Iron Curtain, but you can't have everything.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

 

[No. 16]

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

So what PG fits this mold and more importantly one that is available?

Honestly, I love this move for the Mavs. They were getting #### on offense and defense from their PGs.

 

[Spartans Rule]

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

So what PG fits this mold and more importantly one that is available?

Honestly, I love this move for the Mavs. They were getting #### on offense and defense from their PGs.

Brandon Jennings is a good shooting PG can play a little D and he's available.

 

[Instinctive]

I think the only potential guard that would have fit and not cost Wright was C.J. Watson, and that's not exactly the same level of move.

I'm very intrigued by the backup Center spot now. No idea whats gonna happen.

 

[scoobus]

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

But Rondo isn't a shooter.

And that is the potential problem. Rondo without the ball in his hands is pretty useless on offense. So either the entire offense adapts to his playmaking, taking the ball out of Dirk's and Ellis' hands, or he plays off the ball and kills their spacing. Big changes. They've certainly got the coach to do it but it isn't without risk.

I think they'd be just as far ahead getting a good shooting PG who can play a little D and keeping Wright.

So what PG fits this mold and more importantly one that is available?

Honestly, I love this move for the Mavs. They were getting #### on offense and defense from their PGs.

Brandon Jennings is a good shooting PG can play a little D and he's available.

 

[Kev4029]

I think the only potential guard that would have fit and not cost Wright was C.J. Watson, and that's not exactly the same level of move.

I'm very intrigued by the backup Center spot now. No idea whats gonna happen.

The Nuggets are bound to start a fire sale in the next month or two.

 

[Instinctive]

I think the only potential guard that would have fit and not cost Wright was C.J. Watson, and that's not exactly the same level of move.

I'm very intrigued by the backup Center spot now. No idea whats gonna happen.

The Nuggets are bound to start a fire sale in the next month or two.

Ty Lawson would have been great too. I kind of assumed he would never be an option.

I wonder what Carlisle could do with JaVale. Dallas doesn't have the salary to make that work though. Not sure if Mozgov would work either. Is he much of a rim protector?

 

[Yo Mama]

Dirk is now the lowest paid starter on the Mavs

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Haralabob says bad deal for the Mavs, and said Rondo is a - on defense.

 

[Premier]

They wisely punted on the audience during the Grantland show last night. Good show.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So what PG fits this mold and more importantly one that is available?

Honestly, I love this move for the Mavs. They were getting #### on offense and defense from their PGs.

Good question. Right now, there probably isn't that much available. But there also wasn't a reason that Dallas had to make this move now. In a month maybe they could have gotten a guy like Chalmers and not had to give up Wright. Avery Bradley. Maybe Dragic if the Suns keep falling off pace (he isn't the greatest defender but he is a big improvement from what they have). The Knicks like to give away players so maybe Hardaway. And as others have said, Lawson or Watson.

As you say, they're getting #### on offense from their PGs but they still have the best offense in the league. They didn't need help there. They just needed guys who could hold their on the defensive end and was a threat to shoot from the outside.

I don't hate the move. Any time you can get a top tier player for very little, you should likely do it. I just question whether he is a good fit there.