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Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Donuts went head to head with Meyers Leonard and everybody lost.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Nice little win over the Beard, Portland.
the moops
Footballguy
There are countless examples of guys looking good over much longer stretches than 50 minutes who did nothing with their careers. I would hesitate to proclaim his legitimacy,
Abraham
Footballguy
True. And he has back issues so all bets are off. That said, the year Michigan went to the final everyone was talking about him as a legit lottery pick who should go back to school because he might develop in to the best player on the draft not named wiggins or Parker. Of course it didn't work out thAt way but it is far from a surprise that he may be a quality rotation guy.
SWC
Bromigo
i always liked mcgary and i hope that he develps a signature slam dunk sort of like mike had the pose one and karl malone did that one with the arm behind his head and dominique did his windmill basically we need more signature slams in the nba these days take that to the bank brohans
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
T-Pups trade Mo Williams and Troy Daniels to Hornets for Gary Neal and a 2nd
and then get Adriean Payne for a future 1st.
Does this help them out?
TIA!
and then get Adriean Payne for a future 1st.
Does this help them out?
TIA!
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
The Hornets? Yeah, kind of. They have a roster full of terrible shooters so bringing in a guy is just kind of a terrible shooter should help a bit... and by that I mean maybe it keeps them in the 7th seed and getting swept in the 1st round instead of dropping to the 8th seed and getting swept.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
What about the Pups? Any help for them?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
For what it's worth, which is probably not very much ... the Hornets are 12-6 in 2015 after going 3-14 in November and then 6-9 in December. I think they'd give the Raptors or Bulls a semi-decent fight, probably would win a game or two. The Cavs maybe not so much, especially if they continue to play so well that they end up in the 2 seed.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
A 2nd round pick for Williams and dumping Daniels' salary for next year is okay I guess. Neal likely gets bought out/waived.
I have no idea about Payne or how heavily protected the pick is but the Wolves probably shouldn't be giving away their 1st rounders.
Much ado about nothing for Wolves in the grand scheme of things.
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Neal is probably a wash with Daniels. Probably better right now, but also 30 instead of 23 like Daniels. Mo was always a rental, so whatever. Adreian Payne was a guy that the team really liked in the last draft, but it feels like an over pay for an unproven (not young) rookie with asthma issues.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Charlotte has made Toronto their ##### over the last few years; 5 straight Ws stretching back 3 years.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Pacers and Sixers the last two games.
Showdown with Pistons tonight.
The MKG injury earlier this year really hurt them. A rotation of PJ, Lance, and Marvin Williams at the 3 was just bad stuff. MKG averaged a double double in Jan and is having a pretty solid year.
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Kev4029
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Eh. The Gary Neal/Mo Williams stuff is pretty much a wash, but it frees up some more playing time for Lavine to learn to play basketball. Payne is a 23 year old rookie, which is usually a huge red flag, and he's also being traded as a rookie, which is also usually a huge red flag. He can shoot and the T-Wolves don't have a long term solution at the 4, so its possible it works out for them. Overall, I don't think its a good pair of trades for them.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Payne turns 24 in a few days, and he has a lung issue which can limit his minutes. He looked awesome for MSU last year, but that's kinda because NBA-caliber athletes aren't supposed to be playing college basketball at 23. I think he can be a solid backup NBA 4, maybe even a fringe starter, but that 1st rounder better be really, really protected for this to be a good deal.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Hearing that it is lotto protected 2017-2020, drops to a 2nd rounder after that.
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Good news for Minnesota is if they keep acquiring guys like Payne, they'll probably end up in the lottery for the next half decade. So win/win I suppose.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
They will keep starting Roberts? Over Mo?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
simmonjm
Footballguy
No he is not. He doesnt do anything well. At least Mo can score and helps to space the floor.
Kev4029
Footballguy
He can initiate an offense and doesn't turn the ball over. Mo Williams can definitely score but its in a horribly inefficient manner. Their shooting has been going down hill at the same pace over the last three seasons, so that's pretty much a wash, and neither of them can defend anybody, so that's a wash as well. So, the choice would be if you want a PG who would dribble the ball across half court and get the offense in their set because he really can't do much else, or a PG who will control the offense through himself but isn't good enough to do that effectively. Neither of them should be starting in the NBA, but Roberts will allow the team around him to excel or fail on their own, while Williams has to play and shoot well for the team to play well as a whole. They are probably ####ed either way.
Fariq
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
brandon knight is having a great year and should be in if you ask me but i am a horrible homer take that to the bank
AAABatteries
Footballguy
That's awesome. Really happy for him - he could have a huge game too as nobody really guards the 3-pt line in the game.
Honestly, I think I'm more anxious to see the 3-pt shooting contest this year with him, Splash Bros., Harden, Irving and the rest. Should be entertaining.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Irving's gotta be pretty fired up that he doesn't have to pass.
SoCalBroncoFan
Footballguy
Chuck really sounded stupid in that clip. He says it's good coaching. Who do you think is using the Analytics? Does he know what Analytics are? Maybe he thinks they are a supplement guy take, or a special workout.
Abraham
Footballguy
I'm waiting for morey to point out that the rockets won two titles with an analytics team (even though they didn't know it) that shot threes and leaned on one superstar and then got worse when they added a certain power forward superstar.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
They got Harden because of analytics- that motivated the trade. You can call it a no-brainer move if you like but that's a bit of revisionist history. Harden was a sixth man who wanted a max deal when he was moved- a great sixth man, but still just a sixth man. The Wizards said no to Harden for Beal because they're not forward-thinking like the Rockets and so they missed his potential. The Rockets saw it.
In any event, Barkley's point is also wrong because analytics is just a fancy word for information. More is always good. If you choose not to use it in certain ways, like say you don't want your players overthinking shot selection, so be it, but better to have it so you can make that decision than to not be in a position to choose.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Franchise needs to blow things up. Not looking pretty.
Arron Afflalo is more likely to be traded prior to the Feb. 19 deadline than Wilson Chandler, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.
The Nuggets are expected to be a very active team with the deadline just over a week away, and it's not surprising to hear Afflalo's name surface in trade rumors. ESPN's Ramona Shelburne reports that Denver has discussed possible deals with the Bulls, Clippers, Heat, Kings and Trail Blazers, but they may be demanding a first-round pick as compensation. Jameer Nelson and Randy Foye are also on the trade block, and anyone who owns a Nuggets player should prepare for a seismic shift in fantasy values in the coming week.
Related: Randy Foye, Wilson Chandler, Jameer Nelson
Source: Ramona Shelburne on Twitter
Arron Afflalo is more likely to be traded prior to the Feb. 19 deadline than Wilson Chandler, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.
The Nuggets are expected to be a very active team with the deadline just over a week away, and it's not surprising to hear Afflalo's name surface in trade rumors. ESPN's Ramona Shelburne reports that Denver has discussed possible deals with the Bulls, Clippers, Heat, Kings and Trail Blazers, but they may be demanding a first-round pick as compensation. Jameer Nelson and Randy Foye are also on the trade block, and anyone who owns a Nuggets player should prepare for a seismic shift in fantasy values in the coming week.
Related: Randy Foye, Wilson Chandler, Jameer Nelson
Source: Ramona Shelburne on Twitter
Kev4029
Footballguy
My money is on the team trading Afflalo for whatever they can get at the deadline, and maybe trading one of the bench players (Hickson?). They'll re-sign Arthur to a new 3 year contract in the offseason, sign their one or two first round draft picks in the offseason, end up with 15 or 20 wins by next All-Star break and decide that is the time to blow it up, but by that time everybody's value will be half of what it is now and a quarter of what it was a year ago when they should have blown it up. So, they'll end up with a mostly clean slate of contracts going into the offseason of 2016 but have no assets to show for all the legitimate players they could have traded in 2014.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
WTF?
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