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I haven't been able to figure out the love of the 2016 FA class. They'll be some good players that I can tell, but there's only going to be 1 or 2 true winners because Lebron and Durant are the only two superstars that I see. Conley, Lopez, potentially Love...maybe Horford I guess....in the next tier. I definitely could be missing something here.

Now if I were to mix in RFA's, then the story changes for sure.

 
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Good Posting Judge said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Sammy3469 said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Hinkie is Beane-esque.
Except Beane's teams occasionally make the playoffs
His plan, bad or good, is obviously a long-term one. Maybe the Cubs are a better baseball comp? But judging it now seems silly.
He supposedly asked for a nine-year contract when he was hired. While overall I trust in him, I do think that there is an actual possibility that he is doing all of this in an effort to absolve himself of responsibility for as long as humanly possible and keep his job without having any need to win.
That seems like lunacy. Eventually management is going to need him to get Philly competitive.
trading MCW and KJ is leaving a lot of the 6'ers fan less patient. they will need to hit pretty good in the upcoming draft and get better then 20 wins next season or the patience will begin wearing thin fast. it is the thing where Hinkie still has a lot of supporters but it won't be a slow descend. if it starts to look bleak and worse it will drop fast
I don't think you can criticize the trade of McDaniels, but looking at the offer the Sixers made to him this past summer is interesting. Guy bet on himself and it's going to work out well: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-s-k-j--mcdaniels-takes-bold-approach-to-rookie-deal-143327281.html

 
Even funnier than I thought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Akyol

Basically Cenk Akyol was drafted by the Hawks in '05. Since '14 his "rights" have been traded 3 times now. He's never played in the NBA. His role in the NBA world now is essentially to count as "something of value" to enable contract dump deals to be done :lmao:

-QG
This trade was very smart by Philly.Not following the bigger one though. Smells of over kill.

 
i just got done with a long drive and yes the Philly sports radio was on fire. the thought is that the 3 top PGs in the draft are possible selections between 2-6 and that maybe the Sixers thought all 3 of them were better then MCW. The biggest grab from this though is that, as it lines up right now, the Sixers are set up to be absolute beasts for the 2016 free agent class which everyone is in love with. Sixers will easily be the only team in the league to be able to sign 3 top players, and you could potentially have a monster team with the 4-5 young guys they have and 3 possible legit studs
I hope you're prepared to be massively disappointed.

 
i just got done with a long drive and yes the Philly sports radio was on fire. the thought is that the 3 top PGs in the draft are possible selections between 2-6 and that maybe the Sixers thought all 3 of them were better then MCW. The biggest grab from this though is that, as it lines up right now, the Sixers are set up to be absolute beasts for the 2016 free agent class which everyone is in love with. Sixers will easily be the only team in the league to be able to sign 3 top players, and you could potentially have a monster team with the 4-5 young guys they have and 3 possible legit studs
I hope you're prepared to be massively disappointed.
We're Philly fans. We're always ready for that.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Can anyone outside of Philly name more than 5 Sixers now? Gawd what a disaster.
This trade will be hard to justify to fans. I think your average Sixers fan realizes that the Holiday trade was very savvy, and that stockpiling a ton of Euros is probably not a bad thing, and you're sucking for a few years to build a really good team is a plan that has some merit...but this is a risky bet on Lakers Draft Pick X being > than MCW. And that's a tough bet to sell.

As someone who isn't a Sixers fan, I'm certainly intrigued. The NBA is a more interesting place for having Hinkie in it.
Sixers fan and I love it. MCW cant shoot and is not a what I would want running my point. Will the 6ers really draft another big man in the lottery this year?
You know the team better than I do, but if Noel, the rest of these young players really start to develop do you really want/need a point guard that can shoot? Don't you want a Jason Kidd type?
It's a shooters' league. If you're building around a couple of young bigs, it's better if your guards are credible outside threats.
True, but wasn't Kidd a horrible shooter and then turned into a decent 3 point shooter later in his career or am I making this up?
He did, and it extended his career after a lot of his other skills eroded. It's yet to be seen how much of an offensive force that a Noel or Embiid will be. You can almost never have too much shooting.
Agreed re: shooting. The kid from Ohio State would be a fantastic match in Philly.

 
rodg12 said:
Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynski · 9m 9 minutes ago

AP Source: The Timberwolves are not bringing KG back for just this year. They want to do a 2-year extension with him.
That's the NBA's version of a golden parachute/ownership package.
Jalen Rose has mentioned several times in the past few weeks that KG will be part owner of the Timberwolves after this season and he's been saying with confidence. This of course before he got traded back to Minny. Wondering if we se KG as part owner/player next season, assuming you can do that.

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that

 
rodg12 said:
Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynski · 9m 9 minutes ago

AP Source: The Timberwolves are not bringing KG back for just this year. They want to do a 2-year extension with him.
That's the NBA's version of a golden parachute/ownership package.
Jalen Rose has mentioned several times in the past few weeks that KG will be part owner of the Timberwolves after this season and he's been saying with confidence. This of course before he got traded back to Minny. Wondering if we se KG as part owner/player next season, assuming you can do that.
Nope.

Jordan had to divest his interest in the Wizards when he made his ill-fated comeback.

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that
Best analytics on individual players is one thing, but putting a team together when there are so many moving parts - I'm not sure they have any big advantage over most teams with solid scouting.

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that
Best analytics on individual players is one thing, but putting a team together when there are so many moving parts - I'm not sure they have any big advantage over most teams with solid scouting.
Philly's plan seems pretty all-encompassing though, with eyeball scouting being a part of it. I don't think many reasonable people would disagree that the best front offices synthesize information from a lot of different sources, "old" school and new.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that
Print magazines are an excellent source of information about best plans going forward

 
If MCW went to almost any other team I would no doubt give Philly the edge in the trade, but I have feeling MCW will thrive in MIL with under Kidd.

I would be super excited if I were a Bucks fan.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Long Ball Larry said:
He supposedly asked for a nine-year contract when he was hired. While overall I trust in him, I do think that there is an actual possibility that he is doing all of this in an effort to absolve himself of responsibility for as long as humanly possible and keep his job without having any need to win.
That seems like lunacy. Eventually management is going to need him to get Philly competitive.
trading MCW and KJ is leaving a lot of the 6'ers fan less patient. they will need to hit pretty good in the upcoming draft and get better then 20 wins next season or the patience will begin wearing thin fast. it is the thing where Hinkie still has a lot of supporters but it won't be a slow descend. if it starts to look bleak and worse it will drop fast
I don't think you can criticize the trade of McDaniels, but looking at the offer the Sixers made to him this past summer is interesting. Guy bet on himself and it's going to work out well: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-s-k-j--mcdaniels-takes-bold-approach-to-rookie-deal-143327281.html
I wouldn't criticize the trade but I would criticize the contract. What is the point of 2nd rounders if you aren't going to sign them to long term contracts? Worst case scenario, you have $1MM in dead money.

But I don't fault the Sixers a ton. These trades almost guarantee a bottom 3 finish now so that alone might be worth McDaniels. I was never sold on MCW and PG is the deepest position in the league. They can get the Russell kid from OSU and be fine at PG or worst case scenario, they trade one of their bigs or sign someone.

The one concern with Hinkie is whether he starts to piss players off. All the young guys always seem shocked so imagine that can't be good for morale and wonder if they can get veterans knowing the team could be blown up at any time.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?
He doesn't hardly play but will still be more valuable than Thad. lol

 
The West just got crazy. Blazers really helped themselves with Afflalo. I also think OKC had a great haul for an overrated and outgoing player. Kanter is a rotation big, Novak and Singler provide more shooting, and Augustin is a solid back up.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?
He doesn't hardly play but will still be more valuable than Thad. lol
Yeah, Thad's mom died and he still hasn't really played like himself since then. Can't say I'd blame him. I think he'll turn it around and prove to be a solid player again, he's just not the type of PF the Wolves need to be successful because of his poor rebounding and blocking with a lack of 3pt shooting skills to make up for it. They need a shot blocker like KG at the 4 to cover up Pek's zero inch vertical at the 5. Here's hoping KG can mold either Bennett or Payne into a serviceable starter (or that we draft Towns next year).

 
I love the whole "hey I'm going to leave this small market when I am still young and dominant but will come back when I am old and ####ty move". Such pandering bull####.
That's way out of line on KG. The guy had an entire HOF caliber career with the Wolves before moving on. He never wronged that franchise and they never wronged him

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that
Best analytics on individual players is one thing, but putting a team together when there are so many moving parts - I'm not sure they have any big advantage over most teams with solid
i think that the sixers might have scouts too.

 
Who plays the point in Philly coming out of the break? Doesn't look like they gave that Frazier guy another 10-day. Do they even have a PG rostered?
Just picked up Isaiah Canaan in Pick's league. :shrug: I think he's all they got right now.
Good call. Guess I missed his name with all the madness going on. Already got nabbed in my money league...dang.
I assume that eventually Javale will run the point.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?
He doesn't hardly play but will still be more valuable than Thad. lol
Yeah, Thad's mom died and he still hasn't really played like himself since then. Can't say I'd blame him. I think he'll turn it around and prove to be a solid player again, he's just not the type of PF the Wolves need to be successful because of his poor rebounding and blocking with a lack of 3pt shooting skills to make up for it. They need a shot blocker like KG at the 4 to cover up Pek's zero inch vertical at the 5. Here's hoping KG can mold either Bennett or Payne into a serviceable starter (or that we draft Towns next year).
Lol
 
I love the whole "hey I'm going to leave this small market when I am still young and dominant but will come back when I am old and ####ty move". Such pandering bull####.
That's way out of line on KG. The guy had an entire HOF caliber career with the Wolves before moving on. He never wronged that franchise and they never wronged him
So Minnesota was better off with him leaving?

Look I'm not saying he should've been tied there his whole career or owed them anything at all but the whole he's coming home narrative is just nauseating to me.

And yes I am well aware that all of Minnesota's problems were due to an incompetent front office.

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?
He doesn't hardly play but will still be more valuable than Thad. lol
Yeah, Thad's mom died and he still hasn't really played like himself since then. Can't say I'd blame him. I think he'll turn it around and prove to be a solid player again, he's just not the type of PF the Wolves need to be successful because of his poor rebounding and blocking with a lack of 3pt shooting skills to make up for it. They need a shot blocker like KG at the 4 to cover up Pek's zero inch vertical at the 5. Here's hoping KG can mold either Bennett or Payne into a serviceable starter (or that we draft Towns next year).
I take it you haven't watched KG play lately.

 
"Good said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Can anyone outside of Philly name more than 5 Sixers now? Gawd what a disaster.
This trade will be hard to justify to fans. I think your average Sixers fan realizes that the Holiday trade was very savvy, and that stockpiling a ton of Euros is probably not a bad thing, and you're sucking for a few years to build a really good team is a plan that has some merit...but this is a risky bet on Lakers Draft Pick X being > than MCW. And that's a tough bet to sell.

As someone who isn't a Sixers fan, I'm certainly intrigued. The NBA is a more interesting place for having Hinkie in it.
Sixers fan and I love it. MCW cant shoot and is not a what I would want running my point. Will the 6ers really draft another big man in the lottery this year?
You know the team better than I do, but if Noel, the rest of these young players really start to develop do you really want/need a point guard that can shoot? Don't you want a Jason Kidd type?
Sounds like you may be stuck in 1995

 
"Good said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Can anyone outside of Philly name more than 5 Sixers now? Gawd what a disaster.
This trade will be hard to justify to fans. I think your average Sixers fan realizes that the Holiday trade was very savvy, and that stockpiling a ton of Euros is probably not a bad thing, and you're sucking for a few years to build a really good team is a plan that has some merit...but this is a risky bet on Lakers Draft Pick X being > than MCW. And that's a tough bet to sell.

As someone who isn't a Sixers fan, I'm certainly intrigued. The NBA is a more interesting place for having Hinkie in it.
Sixers fan and I love it. MCW cant shoot and is not a what I would want running my point. Will the 6ers really draft another big man in the lottery this year?
You know the team better than I do, but if Noel, the rest of these young players really start to develop do you really want/need a point guard that can shoot? Don't you want a Jason Kidd type?
Sounds like you may be stuck in 1995
You mean I am still 15. That would be awesome!!!

 
the latest ESPN magazine was all about analytics and rated the Sixers as the #1 franchise in all sports with the strongest analytics staff and best plan going forward (i think that is what it was for). So we have that
Print magazines are an excellent source of information about best plans going forward
especially when the source is ESPN. the content on that channel is superb

 
Funny how Wolves fans don't care about giving up Thad at all when just last August people were excited about getting him. Granted he has been horrible.
He's been better lately. I think he was dealing with the death of a family member or something early on. :shrug:

I thought Kevin Garnett was retired. :bag: Does he even play anymore? Is this just a PR move?
He doesn't hardly play but will still be more valuable than Thad. lol
Yeah, Thad's mom died and he still hasn't really played like himself since then. Can't say I'd blame him. I think he'll turn it around and prove to be a solid player again, he's just not the type of PF the Wolves need to be successful because of his poor rebounding and blocking with a lack of 3pt shooting skills to make up for it. They need a shot blocker like KG at the 4 to cover up Pek's zero inch vertical at the 5. Here's hoping KG can mold either Bennett or Payne into a serviceable starter (or that we draft Towns next year).
I take it you haven't watched KG play lately.
He's surely not what he once was (or even really any good), but he's still a better shot blocker than Thad Young (KG: 13 blocks in 854 min, Thad: 17 blocks in 1605 mins). I guess "defender" is a better representation of what I meant instead of shot blocker.

 
TWolves getting the band back together. Word is Troy Hudson, Sprewell and Rick Rickert are going to sign, Jimmy Jam and Sideline Coach Guy are going to pick up season tickets again and Glen Taylor is in secret discussions with Joe Smith.

 
TWolves getting the band back together. Word is Troy Hudson, Sprewell and Rick Rickert are going to sign, Jimmy Jam and Sideline Coach Guy are going to pick up season tickets again and Glen Taylor is in secret discussions with Joe Smith.
They tried to get Sam Cassell, but apparently he went back to his home planet.

Sprewell declined as well. He said the league minimum wasn't enough to feed his family.

 
The Sixers own 13 2nd round picks (and owe 2 of their own) between now and 2020. Their two for 2015 and 2016 will go to Boston. That's a lot of Euro-stashes/staches.

 
This draft the Sixers will have their own pick (currently 1.03), Miami's pick (protected top 10) which they may not get if the Bosh thing is serious, OKC's pick (protected Top 18), and the famous Lakers pick (protected Top 5).

They're very likely to get the three picks owed to them either this year or next. So 5 firsts of varying quality over the next two years.

The thing about aiming for Summer of 2016 to "activate", for lack of a better word, makes sense. MCW is good, but he's a flawed player, and he'd be nearing free agency at that time. Now they could set it up to where they have a ton of cap space, Noel, Embiid, possibly Russell or Mudiay with their pick this year, possibly a Jaylen Brown or Ivan Rabb with next year's pick, Saric coming over, and a battalion of Euros percolating overseas.

It may take a long time to set it all up, but it could be amazing.

 
The Bucks got even longer...wow...
i actually like this deal a lot altho i did like brandon knight the bucks really have a great young core and when parker comes back next year they might have something i wanted kanter a lot but that just was not going to hjappen we will have to see if they can draft a big this next year man it is actually fun to be a bucks fan again and not just moan and groan take that to the bank brohans

 
Realistically, some issues with the Sixers plan - assuming they want the Lakers pick this year...

[SIZE=11pt]When you look at the standings the 3 worst teams in the league by season’s end are likely : Sixers, Knicks, and Lakers…in no specific order. Since they only lottery the top 3 picks, if the Lakers finish with the worst record or second worst, Sixers automatically won’t get that pick, as the Lakers will pick 5 at worst. Let’s say the Lakers finish 3rd…that means Philly need 3 teams outside the top 3 to jump into the lottery to push the Lakers to six…which also means The Sixers are picking 4th at best, since they would be getting bumped as well…[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Best Case Scenerio: Sixers get #1, draft Okafor. Sixers move Noel (who I do really like), the Lakers first next year, and either the Heat or Thunder pick that they will get this year to move up to #2 or #3 to try to grab Russell/Muiday. Then you have a core of Embiid, Okafor, and a stud guard (I like both of those guards a lot). You still have Saric coming over, Jerami Grant/Rob Covington as bench players, and you just really need to find another wing at that point…which you could probably draft the year after, since they still won’t be any good next year. Again - this is all things work out scenerio...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Worst Case Scenerio: Lakers get #1. They draft Okafor. Lakers need to win now (Kobe/ownership)…they go out and sign Kevin Love and Dragic…then they run out Dragic/Kobe/Love/Okafor/Julius Randle…and your pick probably drops to 13-17 next year. Embiid breaks his foot again.[/SIZE]

 
Worst Case Scenerio: Lakers get #1. They draft Okafor. Lakers need to win now (Kobe/ownership)…they go out and sign Kevin Love and Dragic…then they run out Dragic/Kobe/Love/Okafor/Julius Randle…and your pick probably drops to 13-17 next year. Embiid breaks his foot again.
I think there's absolutely no doubt the Lakers are big players in FA this offseason. They've been building for this offseason for years. Hard to imagine them holding onto cap space at this point. Imagine that's why the Suns dealt the pick.

As you mentioned though above, so much has to happen for the Lakers to even sniff playoff contention in West next year. Not to mention they'll be competing with NY (among others) for those same players.

 
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The Heat are expected to offer Goran Dragic a five-year, max-contract worth upwards of $100 million when he opts out of his contract to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason.
Miami wouldn't have given up two first-round draft picks without feeling good about their chances of retaining Dragic this offseason, and his fantasy value is due for a significant boost with the move to South Beach. Mario Chalmers' value on the other hand is due to take a sizable hit, as he's forced to a bench role to accommodate The Dragon in the starting unit.
Related: Mario Chalmers

Source: NBC Sports

 
Worst Case Scenerio: Lakers get #1. They draft Okafor. Lakers need to win now (Kobe/ownership)…they go out and sign Kevin Love and Dragic…then they run out Dragic/Kobe/Love/Okafor/Julius Randle…and your pick probably drops to 13-17 next year. Embiid breaks his foot again.
I think there's absolutely no doubt the Lakers are big players in FA this offseason. They've been building for this offseason for years. Hard to imagine them holding onto cap space at this point. Imagine that's why the Suns dealt the pick.

As you mentioned though above, so much has to happen for the Lakers to even sniff playoff contention in West next year. Not to mention they'll be competing with NY (among others) for those same players.
What big FAs? LeBron is staying in Cleveland. The top two (Gasol and Aldridge) are likely to re-sign with their own teams. Millsap might be the next best out there after those guys. Monroe? Gay? :X

Love is the only "franchise player" that may be on the market.

 
This draft the Sixers will have their own pick (currently 1.03), Miami's pick (protected top 10) which they may not get if the Bosh thing is serious, OKC's pick (protected Top 18), and the famous Lakers pick (protected Top 5).

They're very likely to get the three picks owed to them either this year or next. So 5 firsts of varying quality over the next two years.

The thing about aiming for Summer of 2016 to "activate", for lack of a better word, makes sense. MCW is good, but he's a flawed player, and he'd be nearing free agency at that time. Now they could set it up to where they have a ton of cap space, Noel, Embiid, possibly Russell or Mudiay with their pick this year, possibly a Jaylen Brown or Ivan Rabb with next year's pick, Saric coming over, and a battalion of Euros percolating overseas.

It may take a long time to set it all up, but it could be amazing.
People are up in arms but all Hinkie did was push the clock forward. If they didn't like MCW, I'm glad they traded him now instead of signing him to a 6 year deal for $12mil per like they used to do.

The objective is to get as many high picks as possible in the hopes of landing a superstar. At least one superstar. Then they can build. Hopefully Embiid is something and now we can suck for Okafor. Have to keep trying to get that stud to make it worth it.

 

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